Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[HappyJuice]

Hi I would like to try this out. I have the resources but I do not have a space of my own to carry ot out in. If anyone would like to provide a home where I do this with Together. Pls contact me. I have no issues flying. Need a CTB buddy.

Exit Bag and Inert Gas Basics —A very, very long post, I know, but I feel like I've fielded a lot of questions about this, so I figured I'd spell out everything I know. Others on the forum should please add to this thread whatever reliable technical information they feel is appropriate


Hi, you sound really knowledgeable and I need a guide. Will you be willing to PM me? Much appreciated.

 

[fightingsioux]

I have made one change to my long post of January, summarizing this method:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-cylinder-regulator-general-refresher-summary.30657/

Many people were Private Messaging me (which I welcome, that's fine) saying that they were having trouble finding a hose barb. Therefore, I'm now recommending a different, moderately-priced regulator that comes with a hose barb attached:

Hobart Flow Gauge MIG Regulator, 770198 at Tractor Supply Co.

Find Hobart Flow Gauge MIG Regulator, 770198 in the MIG Consumable category at Tractor Supply Co.Flow Gauge MIG Regulator<ul><li>Rugged MIG regu

www.tractorsupply.com

 

[Proto]

Just an update to my earlier post about wanting to have a mask instead of a bag over my head. I'm going for the scuba gear setup, it's really easy now i just have to plug in the adapter, open the valve and lie down. The seal seems pretty solid, that's the greatest concern really, especially with the R2D debreather, it seems cheap and commercially made. I'd rather use something tried and true like a scuba setup.

 

[Jeff01]

I have made one change to my long post of January, summarizing this method:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-cylinder-regulator-general-refresher-summary.30657/

Many people were Private Messaging me (which I welcome, that's fine) saying that they were having trouble finding a hose barb. Therefore, I'm now recommending a different, moderately-priced regulator that comes with a hose barb attached:

Hobart Flow Gauge MIG Regulator, 770198 at Tractor Supply Co.

Find Hobart Flow Gauge MIG Regulator, 770198 in the MIG Consumable category at Tractor Supply Co.Flow Gauge MIG Regulator<ul><li>Rugged MIG regu

www.tractorsupply.com

Is there anyway in which you could contact the administrator(s) of this website and have them grant me "pm" privileges ?
I really need to be able to send Private Messages to someone. User: Jeff01 Pswd: #Jeff01

Thank you.

 

[fightingsioux]

Is there anyway in which you could contact the administrator(s) of this website and have them grant me "pm" privileges ?
I really need to be able to send Private Messages to someone. User: Jeff01 Pswd: #Jeff01

Thank you.

Jeff-

Just reply a few more times to any messages in any threads.

Then you'll have the minimum amount of messages necessary for PMs.

 

[Shakespear's Brother]

I really need to be able to send Private Messages to someone. User: Jeff01 Pswd: [redacted]

Hi Jeff. You should change your password now, as it's been exposed to anyone capable of viewing this post.

 

[color_me_gone]

Just an update to my earlier post about wanting to have a mask instead of a bag over my head. I'm going for the scuba gear setup, it's really easy now i just have to plug in the adapter, open the valve and lie down. The seal seems pretty solid, that's the greatest concern really, especially with the R2D debreather, it seems cheap and commercially made. I'd rather use something tried and true like a scuba setup.

This has been done before, and the person was successful.

Suicidal Nitrogen Inhalation by use of Scuba Full‐Face Diving Mask | Semantic Scholar

A 29‐year‐old man was found dead lying on the bed in a hotel room in a famous Slovak mountain resort with a full‐face diving mask on his face, connected through a diving breath regulator to a valve of an industrial high‐pressure tank containing pure 100% nitrogen. A 29‐year‐old man was found...

www.semanticscholar.org

Suicidal nitrogen inhalation by use of scuba full-face diving mask - PubMed

A 29-year-old man was found dead lying on the bed in a hotel room in a famous Slovak mountain resort. He had a full-face diving mask on his face, connected through a diving breath regulator to a valve of an industrial (nondiving) high-pressure tank containing pure 100% nitrogen. The breath...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Jeff01]

Jeff-

Just reply a few more times to any messages in any threads.

Then you'll have the minimum amount of messages necessary for PMs.

Thank you.

Sorry about my password, was not thinking about that

 

[fightingsioux]

Thank you.

Sorry about my password, was not thinking about that

Feel free to PM me at any time.

 

[Jeff01]

Feel free to PM me at any time.

How would you suggest securing the portion of the hose that goes up into the exit bag within the bag ?

Thanks again.

Jeff01

 

[fightingsioux]

How would you suggest securing the portion of the hose that goes up into the exit bag within the bag ?

Thanks again.

Jeff01

With tape.

Please read my long post from January:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-cylinder-regulator-general-refresher-summary.30657/

Then feel free to PM me with any questions.

 

[Gellar]

Does anyone know what 15 litres/minute would convert to in PSI or KPa? I haven't been able to find a nitrogen regulator in my country that has a LPM gauge, only PSI and/or KPa. And I have no idea what the calculations would be to do a conversion.

 

[kerolox]

Does anyone know what 15 litres/minute would convert to in PSI or KPa?

It doesn't, PSI and KPa are measures of pressure not flow rate, the non-metric equivalent of 15 litres/minute would be 30 cubic feet per hour (CFH)

 

[fightingsioux]

Does anyone know what 15 litres/minute would convert to in PSI or KPa? I haven't been able to find a nitrogen regulator in my country that has a LPM gauge, only PSI and/or KPa. And I have no idea what the calculations would be to do a conversion.

PM me where you are, and I'll give you the name of an online company to order a regulator and which one to get.

 

[DeepSleep]

I had written about it before, but nobody is paying attention. It got to be resolved once and for all.

I keep repeating that having a bag big enough you can forget about all those brass fittings, connectors,regulators, size mismatch and shit.
If your tank is, lets say, 400 liters and your bag is 400 liters (a huge, supermarket-size bag) - u're even.
And your lungs are 4 liters at most. Even if you exhale all your lungs into the bag. That's 1% or less.
Negligible. You will not feel anything, the unconsciousness will fall on you faster than you can imagine.
Forget about C02 buildup, it will be less than 1%. There is probably more C02 in your room right now.

 

[color_me_gone]

nobody is paying attention

sorry, but that's because what you are saying is wrong

 

[fightingsioux]

I had written about it before, but nobody is paying attention. It got to be resolved once and for all.

I keep repeating that having a bag big enough you can forget about all those brass fittings, connectors,regulators, size mismatch and shit.
If your tank is, lets say, 400 liters and your bag is 400 liters (a huge, supermarket-size bag) - u're even.
And your lungs are 4 liters at most. Even if you exhale all your lungs into the bag. That's 1% or less.
Negligible. You will not feel anything, the unconsciousness will fall on you faster than you can imagine.
Forget about C02 buildup, it will be less than 1%. There is probably more C02 in your room right now.

This in incorrect and bad information, for many reasons.

The first thing that comes to mind is that you obviously have never been around or actually worked with high pressure gas tanks. I have.

How do you plan on filling up your huge bag with gas? If you were to somehow find a hose fitting that attached directly to the cylinder (doubtful) and then opened the cylinder, the gas would come out at such a high pressure that it would rip the bag to shreds even before blowing it sky high (and putting your eye out if you weren't careful!) That's what a regulator does, it regulates or reduces the tank's pressure to controllable and usable levels.

Since you would need a regulator anyway, and a hose or tubing coming out of the regulator and into a bag, why would you want some huge bag over your head instead of a normal Exit Bag? Doesn't make any sense.

This is a perfect example of a common error on this forum, with this and many other methods: the materials and protocols for this method have been used successfully for decades. Don't try and re-invent the wheel to show how clever you are, go with what has proven its efficiency and reliability.

 

[Gellar]

PM me where you are, and I'll give you the name of an online company to order a regulator and which one to get.

I'm new here, so not able to PM yet. :(

 

[Deleted-User-0]

I had written about it before, but nobody is paying attention. It got to be resolved once and for all.

I keep repeating that having a bag big enough you can forget about all those brass fittings, connectors,regulators, size mismatch and shit.
If your tank is, lets say, 400 liters and your bag is 400 liters (a huge, supermarket-size bag) - u're even.
And your lungs are 4 liters at most. Even if you exhale all your lungs into the bag. That's 1% or less.
Negligible. You will not feel anything, the unconsciousness will fall on you faster than you can imagine.
Forget about C02 buildup, it will be less than 1%. There is probably more C02 in your room right now.

Impractical. Unproven. Dangerous.

 

[Gellar]

PM me where you are, and I'll give you the name of an online company to order a regulator and which one to get.

Actually, as you able to PM me?

 

[MissingIt]

Hi everyone, I am in desperate need of some help. I made my first exit bag attempt last night and failed. I wish I had come here first - found it by searching for failures.

My main problem is with the hose I have, it is a thick and heavy gas hose that fits with the regulator, not like the PVC tubing in the handbook. I didn't think there was any way a flimsy bag could support its weight so I used *a lot* of packing tape to hold it and reinforce the bag. It's kind of embarrassing that I thought it would work.

My primary question is: how should I mount this hose? Just peek it through the bottom of the bag, facing right at my face? Should I tape it to the back of my neck or something instead? It feels like having the hose releasing gas from the top of the bag makes more sense to move CO2 out and keep things flowing normally - putting it at the bottom seems like it might not work as well for that purpose.

Also, for a report: I probably had a lot of air in my bag, but I did get a little woozy and felt weird for an hour after or so. I think I stayed in for 1-2 minutes but I was definitely freaking out a little. 20 cu ft IS NOT ENOUGH. My tank started at 1900PSI and finished at 1100PSI with the whole ordeal only being 8-10 minutes (15LPM). Now I'm pretty sure I don't have enough Ar left.

I have to scramble to get another tank. I've gotten rid of almost everything I own and have very little money. I banked everything on this working. Don't wait until the last moment like me in case something goes wrong. :/

 

[fightingsioux]

Hi everyone, I am in desperate need of some help. I made my first exit bag attempt last night and failed. I wish I had come here first - found it by searching for failures.

My main problem is with the hose I have, it is a thick and heavy gas hose that fits with the regulator, not like the PVC tubing in the handbook. I didn't think there was any way a flimsy bag could support its weight so I used *a lot* of packing tape to hold it and reinforce the bag. It's kind of embarrassing that I thought it would work.

My primary question is: how should I mount this hose? Just peek it through the bottom of the bag, facing right at my face? Should I tape it to the back of my neck or something instead? It feels like having the hose releasing gas from the top of the bag makes more sense to move CO2 out and keep things flowing normally - putting it at the bottom seems like it might not work as well for that purpose.

Also, for a report: I probably had a lot of air in my bag, but I did get a little woozy and felt weird for an hour after or so. I think I stayed in for 1-2 minutes but I was definitely freaking out a little. 20 cu ft IS NOT ENOUGH. My tank started at 1900PSI and finished at 1100PSI with the whole ordeal only being 8-10 minutes (15LPM). Now I'm pretty sure I don't have enough Ar left.

I have to scramble to get another tank. I've gotten rid of almost everything I own and have very little money. I banked everything on this working. Don't wait until the last moment like me in case something goes wrong. :/

Please slowly and carefully read my post from January reviewing the entire method:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-cylinder-regulator-general-refresher-summary.30657/

The only change I've made in this has to do with the fact that some people were having trouble finding the little $2 part called a hose barb. So I'm now recommending this regulator that comes with a hose barb attached:

Hobart Flow Gauge MIG Regulator, 770198 at Tractor Supply Co.

Find Hobart Flow Gauge MIG Regulator, 770198 in the MIG Consumable category at Tractor Supply Co.Flow Gauge MIG Regulator<ul><li>Rugged MIG regu

www.tractorsupply.com

Detach the heavy hose from the regulator. Take the regulator to any big box store or a good hardware store and buy a hose barb that screws into the same output fitting. Then get 10' or so of light vinyl tubing, whatever fits on the barb end of the hose barb, usually 1/4" or 3/8".

Tape this inside the bag. The end of the hose can be anywhere in the bag, does not matter, towards the top is fine.

A 20 CF tank is enough, more than enough. At 15 LPM that gives you over 30 minutes. Unconsciousness occurs in less than a minute, death a few minutes after that.

The bag must be scrunched down atop your head first, to get rid of as much air as possible.

PM me if you have any further questions.

 

[MissingIt]

Thanks fightingsioux, I saw your reply in another thread just after I made my post. I read through more than half of this thread and didn't find anything about what to do if you have a heavy hose. Your thread is great and succinct. I would still say for peace of mind to pay a little extra and get 40CF as it allows for more testing and in case something goes wrong. My tank emptied very quickly - it was also a little underfilled as it should have come in at 2000PSI but I received it at 1900.

 

[fightingsioux]

Thanks fightingsioux, I saw your reply in another thread just after I made my post. I read through more than half of this thread and didn't find anything about what to do if you have a heavy hose. Your thread is great and succinct. I would still say for peace of mind to pay a little extra and get 40CF as it allows for more testing and in case something goes wrong. My tank emptied very quickly - it was also a little underfilled as it should have come in at 2000PSI but I received it at 1900.

There's no need to do any extensive testing if you've taken your time, read and researched everything, gathered the right materials and connected them correctly, and meticulously followed the simple final Exit Bag protocols. 20CF is way more than necessary.

 

[pillow933]

Is anyone familiar with the 'Balloon Occasions' helium tanks? They advertise as '99% pure helium' however they don't provide exact specifications as to the size of the tank. They claim to be able to fill 30 x 9" latex balloons which iirc is the same size as the balloon time tanks, which I'm pretty sure are 20cft?

It's just nitrogen appears to be quite difficult to obtain where I am unless I'm willing to pay a hefty price for an unnecessarily large tank, which I'd rather avoid (I'm poor). Thanks for any help :)

 

[Gellar]

PM me where you are, and I'll give you the name of an online company to order a regulator and which one to get.

Could you advise if this - https://www.herbosequipment.co.nz/products/argon-single-gauge-regulator-with-flow-meter - would work with this tank - https://www.ikegger.co.nz/collectio...x-size-of-a-3-5kg-co2-cylinder-brand-new-full ?? I'm not sure if the connections would work together - that stuff isn't how my brain works anymore. The loss of cognitive function kicks my arse on this stuff.

 

[fightingsioux]

Could you advise if this - https://www.herbosequipment.co.nz/products/argon-single-gauge-regulator-with-flow-meter - would work with this tank - https://www.ikegger.co.nz/collectio...x-size-of-a-3-5kg-co2-cylinder-brand-new-full ?? I'm not sure if the connections would work together - that stuff isn't how my brain works anymore. The loss of cognitive function kicks my arse on this stuff.

Yes it will, but if you have trouble thinking then this might not be the method for you.

 

[Gellar]

Yes it will, but if you have trouble thinking then this might not be the method for you.

I'm okay while I've got the things in front of me, usually, it's just trying to figure it out theoretically that my brain gets worn out on. I should've done this months ago, while my brain still worked a bit better.

Thanks for helping. At least now I can buy the parts needed and get on with things.

 

[BillS]

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How far up into the bag should the tube go ? How high up your neck ?

 

[MissingIt]

Some information for all who may need it. I purchased a Smith Argon Flowgauge Regulator 31-50-580 and here is what I needed to make this work with 1/4" tubing instead of the heavy gas hose. It has a 5/8" - 18RH internal female connector which I *believe* is called a CGA 032 connection. I am not an inert gas expert. 5/8" is apparently the outside dimension while 3/8" is the inside (and important) dimension. I don't know why they do it this way.

A flare adapter connects to the regulator and allows you to attach a normal (non-flared) nut. I used this to attach a hex bushing that takes the 3/8" inside dimension down to 1/4" which allows a connection for a 1/4" hose barb. See attached image for all the pieces. You may be able to skip the hex bushing depending on what your hardware store has in stock or what you can find online. This is just how I made mine work, and should give you resources to find exactly what you need online if you prefer to do it that way.

I will make one more post on the final setup and what I found out about how Cyberweld plays a dishonest and dangerous game by shipping expired cylinders to residential addresses.

For some reason SS rotated the picture, I don't know why.