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Rolo

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Apr 10, 2019
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From pictures, people using the exitbag method usually are lying on their back. Because of my medical condition I have a lot of hefty nosebleedings. I'm afraid when using this method I could drown in my own blood when sitting or lying on my back. Would there be complications when using this method while lying on the side?
Lying on the side, blood does not come into my lungs but I'm not sure if my mouth will be obstructed from breathing.
 
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underthesea

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Dec 18, 2019
65
Hi,
Does anyone know if oxygen hoses with standard connector can be used (fits the nitrogen regulator I have) and will support the 50 psi output pressure from the regulator? Originally I got another high pressure hose but it is kinda stiff. It would be hard to tape to the bag. However, I am assuming one doesn't have to tape it to bag as long as it can be secured in another way, e.g, using a hair buff band to hold it in place and duct taping hose to the neck, putting bag on separately.
I think MaxDog uses oxygen hoses, is that correct? Was wondering if I should swap, even though the hose I have is actually way more superior and will not collapse, burst or cause other issues with 50 psi Nitrogen coming out.
Any thoughts from experts here?
Thanks
 
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tonywjones44

New Member
Dec 18, 2019
3
Apologies if this has been asked before but if I were to read all the posts on the 29 pages I might die first. Oh...:heh:
Does anyone know what a cylinder containing 8 litres of gas at 200bar equates to at atmospheric pressure? Or put another way, would it be enough to last for the necessary time? Don't want to run out of gas halfway through.
 
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Passersby

Trapped in space and time
Aug 29, 2019
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Hello, I am pretty sure that during my research on this method that a 20cubic foot tank will do the job however I am going to be purchasing a 40 cf or maybe even the next size up just to make sure I have plenty of nitrogen and will die since that is the desired outcome unfortunately. I have been trying to get this tank and setup for quite some time and the reason I haven't yet Is because of my crippled body limiting me from physically driving and talking to clerk etc etc. This is all the more reason to die.

So I just finally yesterday went to the local welding gas shop and asked them about it. Good news!! They were all out of tanks but told me where to get one and then I could bring it back there and they would fill it up with pure nitrogen. I asked again to make sure so I said pure nitrogen right? He said yes and acted like nothing. Didn't even need a cover story. He didn't ask any questions at all. He said it was 17 dollars to fill a 20 cf tank but I will have a bigger one. Money isn't the issue I was just asking so I would know. Anyway I wanted to let people know about my experience with trying to get the tank so they would be prepared in the future. So next day that I am physically able to push through my problems then I will go and get it. Want to try tomorrow but who knows. The main thing is that there isn't any regulations on buying a tank of nitrogen where I am. Seems easy as hell. I know the laws my vary from state to state so it's hard to tell about other areas but now I know that I will definetky be able to get it. Then my only problem is being able to go through with it .
 
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Nov 22, 2019
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Apologies if this has been asked before but if I were to read all the posts on the 29 pages I might die first. Oh...:heh:
Does anyone know what a cylinder containing 8 litres of gas at 200bar equates to at atmospheric pressure? Or put another way, would it be enough to last for the necessary time? Don't want to run out of gas halfway through.

There's a law for ideal gases: V1 * p1 = V2 * p2 (volume, pressure at state 1,2)

So V1 = p2/p1 * V2, with p1 = 1bar (atmospheric), p2 = 200 bar and V2 = 8l you get V1 = 200 * 8l = 1600l.

At a reasonable flowrate, this is (far) more than enough. Many people just use 2l cylinders.
You need a flow regulator.
 
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justwantdeath

Member
Dec 13, 2019
78
This is probably a dumb question, but where does the exhaled gas go if you've sealed off your exit bag? Wouldn't the bag just inflate and pop?
 
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Lastsauce

Experienced
Dec 22, 2019
258
I did some testing earlier with flow regulated compressed air at 10 to 20 liters per minute.
If you make the bag properly using an elastic cord and just pull it snug the gas and co2 will easily exit the bag.
 
Righttodie

Righttodie

Maybe in another life
Apr 10, 2019
166
Fuck my life. Got a nitrogen tank a while ago, then looked into finding a regulator, got that too. Then looked into a hose which could fit onto the regulator, now that took some time because the hose barb outlet is so thick that the hose had a large diameter and was quite thick and won't go well with the bag that I got later.
Then looked into some kind of adapter or a different regulator which has a smaller barb outlet so that I can attach a small size hose to it, while I am at it all, I now realise that the nitrogen tank is having a leak when opening its valves and the seller won't do much about it.

Fucking hell. It's like a damn nightmare, want to diè but even that seems impossible and just the fact that it's becoming so difficult to diè is so overwhelming that I am going to have to still be here for some more time than I thought I would be.

Now I am wondering if anything I get will be faulty as well. Fuck it.

Just venting. I am gonna stick with this method, but I can't stand it when you get it all and something comes out faulty, it's just too much
 
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fightingsioux

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Oct 22, 2019
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Fuck my life. Got a nitrogen tank a while ago, then looked into finding a regulator, got that too. Then looked into a hose which could fit onto the regulator, now that took some time because the hose barb outlet is so thick that the hose had a large diameter and was quite thick and won't go well with the bag that I got later.
Then looked into some kind of adapter or a different regulator which has a smaller barb outlet so that I can attach a small size hose to it, while I am at it all, I now realise that the nitrogen tank is having a leak when opening its valves and the seller won't do much about it.

Fucking hell. It's like a damn nightmare, want to diè but even that seems impossible and just the fact that it's becoming so difficult to diè is so overwhelming that I am going to have to still be here for some more time than I thought I would be.

Now I am wondering if anything I get will be faulty as well. Fuck it.

Just venting. I am gonna stick with this method, but I can't stand it when you get it all and something comes out faulty, it's just too much
The following is not directed specifically at you, Righttodie, but more to anyone interested in this method.

There still seem to be many posters that don't want to do any research. That means finding reliable, accurate source material and spending however much time is necessary reading it!

Read it slowly and carefully, then read it again. Have a notebook next to you, take notes. Write down any questions: find a knowledgeable person and get those questions answered.

The Exit Bad & Inert Gas method has been around for at least 30 years. It is tried and true. It is not difficult to obtain the materials and to use the materials correctly. It is 100% efficient.

BUT...

It's not a method that you can just wake up one morning and decide to use. It's not something that you can just go off half-cocked and use. It's not a spur-of-the-moment thing. One or two posts on this board won't cut it as far as establishing your knowledge base.
You've got to put some work into it yourself, sorry that's just the way it is. And that work is researching and reading.

I mean no offense here, but you've got to make an honest assessment of yourself. If you don't feel that you're mentally or emotionally in a place where you're able to research and read and retain that information, then this is not the method for you.

Once again:
1. Slowly and carefully read the first couple of pages of this mega-thread (just the first couple of pages is necessary, the rest is basically people asking the same questions over and over again or making inaccurate or OT comments. The OP, TiredHorse, did a good job of summarizing the whole method.
2. Also in the research section, find the link for the PPH (Peaceful Pill Handbook) and slowly and carefully read the section on this topic.
3. There are many other reliable and accurate source materials available online, including YouTube step-by-step videos on how to construct a simple exit bag.
4. This was my go-to method before I decided to use Pegasos, a Swiss assisted dying organization. I have practical experience in welding and so am very familiar with inert gases, tanks, hoses, regulators and fittings. I have spent time researching & reading everything written on the subject. I'm a member of Exit International and have communicated with their most knowledgeable people.
You are more than welcome to PM me with any questions, as long as you have first researched and read on your own!

Stop asking people to do the work for you.
 
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NextSummer

Experienced
Mar 28, 2019
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This is probably a dumb question, but where does the exhaled gas go if you've sealed off your exit bag? Wouldn't the bag just inflate and pop?

Gas must get out from the hood (via neck). There must be a constant stream of inert gas flowing through the hood, taking the exhaled CO2 out. So no popping.
 
fightingsioux

fightingsioux

Specialist
Oct 22, 2019
357
Gas must get out from the hood (via neck). There must be a constant stream of inert gas flowing through the hood, taking the exhaled CO2 out. So no popping.
Not really important, more of a technical detail: actually, since either argon, helium or nitrogen is lighter than carbon dioxide, it fills up the bag from top down and the combined weight of that volume of gas sort of forces or squeezes the exhaled CO2 out the bottom of the bag.

But you're 100% correct that the bottom of the bag isn't sealed, it's just snug against the neck via the elastic band, allowing the CO2 to escape and prevent popping.
 
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underthesea

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Dec 18, 2019
65
On my goodbye thread @NextSummer posted this:
"Note that nitrogen tank might be loud and alert other residents in the Hotel. Maybe you have already thought about that - just wanted to tell you. All the best and I wished you had a view like in the picture in your final moments."
Does anyone know if this is true?

I am not aware that Nitrogen tank is that loud for neighboring guests to hear. I would think Dr. PN would have mentioned it if it was that loud.

I have heard initial hiss when I turn it on to check pressure. I am assuming I will hear a similar hiss first and then the gas will flow through. @TiredHorse mentioned that he heard it inside the bag and found it distracting but he didn't say it was that loud for it to be heard next door. I have not seen any literature mention that.

I am assuming since the tube is right next to the head/ ears that one will hear the gas coming out of the tube. I mean it would be deafening inside the bag if it was loud enough to be heard next door!

I was not planning on turning on TV in the room because leaving TV on all night would definitely draw attention.

I am curious if anyone else knows about this? Thank you.
 
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Saddad

Member
Dec 17, 2019
97
Hey!

It's not that loud.

It's a bit noisy in the bag but I think the walls would need to be very thin to hear it atall.

In hotels most people expect strange noises.

Certainly would not be louder than a running tap or tv on normal volume
 
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underthesea

Member
Dec 18, 2019
65
Hey!

It's not that loud.

It's a bit noisy in the bag but I think the walls would need to be very thin to hear it atall.

In hotels most people expect strange noises.

Certainly would not be louder than a running tap or tv on normal volume
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Hey,
Thanks for the quick response! I know you tried it so thanks for letting me know. :hug:
 
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Saddad

Member
Dec 17, 2019
97
Glad you decided to stick around a bit longer.

I keep trying to find some hope in this mess that is life...

Got nitro sn and looking at oxycodone with amitriptyline and booze now.

Property is turning into a suicide museum.

Will possibly attempt one or all 6th or 7th.

Wife is with me tonight and spent some time with my children which it is impossible not to feel some joy when with them.

All short lived though, only temporary joy....
 
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underthesea

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Dec 18, 2019
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Glad you decided to stick around a bit longer.

I keep trying to find some hope in this mess that is life...

Got nitro sn and looking at oxycodone with amitriptyline and booze now.

Property is turning into a suicide museum.

Will possibly attempt one or all 6th or 7th.

Wife is with me tonight and spent some time with my children which it is impossible not to feel some joy when with them.

All short lived though, only temporary joy....
I am not really sticking around, see my goodbye thread update. Sent you a PM
 
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Rolo

Member
Apr 10, 2019
14
Not really important, more of a technical detail: actually, since either argon, helium or nitrogen is lighter than carbon dioxide, it fills up the bag from top down and the combined weight of that volume of gas sort of forces or squeezes the exhaled CO2 out the bottom of the bag.

But you're 100% correct that the bottom of the bag isn't sealed, it's just snug against the neck via the elastic band, allowing the CO2 to escape and prevent popping.

But what if you lay in a sideways position on a bed. Then your nose and mouth are at the bottom of the bag. Would you inhale CO2 then?
 
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A3re733

Member
Aug 29, 2019
65
Can someone help me with an issue regarding the regulator? I made a thread about it:
(Basically, it doesn't show Lpm cause it has no flowmeter and I don't know if I should buy a flowmeter and how to use it)
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nitrogen-regulator-need-help.30085/
 
Motherfly

Motherfly

Student
Oct 24, 2018
108
Ok so I just tried. Everything went normally, I'm pretty sure my setup was working. My bag was inflating fast.

Thing is, like many other members on this thread, the bag is freaking me out, especially that its so closed to my face. And my bag is big, it's a turkey oven bag like suggested.

Anyone have any ideas of an alternative to the bag itself? I'm not trusting a mask either. What can we use? Some kind of sealed box? Ideas??
 
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Backwood_tilt

UnEnlightened
Dec 27, 2019
891
Ok so I just tried. Everything went normally, I'm pretty sure my setup was working. My bag was inflating fast.

Thing is, like many other members on this thread, the bag is freaking me out, especially that its so closed to my face. And my bag is big, it's a turkey oven bag like suggested.

Anyone have any ideas of an alternative to the bag itself? I'm not trusting a mask either. What can we use? Some kind of sealed box? Ideas??

Practice just wearing the bag on your head. Just practice getting used to the sensation and nto freaking out.

Make sure you have decent airflow so you can also practice full and deep inhales and exhales.

The problem is in your mind, not the bag itself. The bag is ideal since it allows you to squeeze out any air before you fill it with nitrogen - a simple box wouldn't do. With rehearsals you can overcome your fear of it.
 
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color_me_gone

Sun is rising
Dec 27, 2018
970
Anyone have any ideas of an alternative to the bag itself?
Everyone who comes here says the exact same thing, including me.
And I will say that the "experts" are pretty adamant about sticking with the bag due to its proven reliability.
 
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Backwood_tilt

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Dec 27, 2019
891
Ok so I just tried. Everything went normally, I'm pretty sure my setup was working. My bag was inflating fast.

Thing is, like many other members on this thread, the bag is freaking me out, especially that its so closed to my face. And my bag is big, it's a turkey oven bag like suggested.

Anyone have any ideas of an alternative to the bag itself? I'm not trusting a mask either. What can we use? Some kind of sealed box? Ideas??

Also make sure you are hyperventilating before you pull the bag down, to minimize panic response.
 
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Motherfly

Student
Oct 24, 2018
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Everyone who comes here says the exact same thing, including me.
And I will say that the "experts" are pretty adamant about sticking with the bag due to its proven reliability.
True. But maybe there's a way to modify the bag? It's really only the fact that it's so close to my face. Hell, everytime I breath in, the bag was so close it was getting inside my mouth.

Something that creates space between the face and bag. Something like a baseball cap. But not that of course. It's too impractical.
 
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color_me_gone

Sun is rising
Dec 27, 2018
970
baseball cap
funny you should mention that, @TiredHorse (bless his soul) mentioned the exact same thing (using a baseball cap to keep the bag out of your face).
 
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Motherfly

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Oct 24, 2018
108
funny you should mention that, @TiredHorse (bless his soul) mentioned the exact same thing (using a baseball cap to keep the bag out of your face).
I don't think he's dead man. He just changed his mind about ctb no?
 
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color_me_gone

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Dec 27, 2018
970
He just changed his mind about ctb no?
He did say he was going to try to give life a chance.
But he also said if things didn't work out, he may still ctb.
He was asked about several times in the user discussion thread.
Nobody has heard from him.
So nobody really knows.
 
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Righttodie

Maybe in another life
Apr 10, 2019
166
Regulator question.

Are we sure that a co2/argon regulator will work with nitrogen gas and is compatible ?

Googled this question but it's giving many inconsistent answers, so just wanted some clarity, although @TiredHorse mentioned he has a co2/argon regulator, but still wanted to be sure.

Thanks
Hmm... for safety reasons, not least that the only place I can store the cylinder is next to my bed (and I'm planning to still be here as long as possible), I would prefer to use helium instead of n2. Mainly in case of leaks leaving me vegetablised.

Is there a way to store the cylinder to prevent any gas leaking out over time does anyone know?

Still the problem is the only flowmeter available in the UK seems to be for argon. I tried to follow the calculation links Adrian posted earlier but they only made me wish I hadn't spent my life in the arts instead of figuring out how to do sums. I wonder if the argon flowmeter is even suitable for n2, though it would seem much more equivalent.
Yeah I have the same issue, I would just prefer a nitrogen regulator and a nitrogen flowmeter, but I don't see many around where I am, so just wondering the same thing as you are.
 
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Motherfly

Student
Oct 24, 2018
108
Regulator question.

Are we sure that a co2/argon regulator will work with nitrogen gas and is compatible ?

Googled this question but it's giving many inconsistent answers, so just wanted some clarity, although @TiredHorse mentioned he has a co2/argon regulator, but still wanted to be sure.

Thanks

Yeah I have the same issue, I would just prefer a nitrogen regulator and a nitrogen flowmeter, but I don't see many around where I am, so just wondering the same thing as you are.
I got an argon/co2 regulator aswell and everything worked perfectly fine. I even heard the clerk call it an inert gas regulator.
 
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Polly

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Actually, it kind of *is* this complicated, especially when you're explaining a lot of different things to people. I thank you, Tired Horse, for doing this. For folks willing to read it and follow along I think it's helpful. Would be awesome if we could add some pictures to the thread. This is my method and this confirms everything I have purchased and done. It didn't seem that complicated, but for people who don't normally buy inert gases, it is nice to know what to say and what is expected when we ask for something. There have also been TONS of questions on here back and forth about laying down, sitting up, mask, bag, no bag, elastic tight, too tight, not tight enough, etc. This is good work, imo.
Also adding that for me, I plan to ctb in my car in a slightly reclining position with my seatbelt on, with the tank in the seat next to me also seat belted in. Like we're going on a little drive to neverland....
For me this is way too complicated if I'm in a frame of mind to ctb. Of course everyone is different.
 
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Backwood_tilt

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Dec 27, 2019
891
Just want to add that if you are shopping for the elastic for the exit bag, DO NOT GET SHOCK CORD. For instance, Paracord Planet has shock cord listed as elastic cord, and you might miss the word "shock" in the description.

Shock cord is reinforced with rubber, so the diameters they give are not accurate. Following @TiredHorse's advice, i got 3/8" diameter SHOCK elastic cord. This is too thick to fit even one end in a standard cord lock.
 
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