enteric capsule for SN

[losi]

i'm considering using enteric capsule for SN, since in-taking clonazepam and waiting is not feasible. after research, i came across enteric capsule. it will take 1 to 2hours to reach small intestine. i will have 12 hours or so lone time, i guess it will be enough time. i don't have to wait for 30 mins and will significantly reduce chance of knock out before drinking SN.

one problem is enteric empty capsules are not available, so can i use probiotics capsules? remove the contents inside and replace it with SN. according chatgpt it is not advisable. i want to know everyone opinion on this.

 

[rozeske]

one problem is enteric empty capsules are not available

That is not the only problem. Taking sn with capsules is never recommended. One you will need a lot of capsules to stuff 25g of sn, more chance of vomiting, slower rate of absorption. That is why it is recommended to take it as is with as little as possible water.

 

[losi]

@rozeske i want sn to slowly absorb. how do i do that? i know, this is really against sn protocol but i will be going with 8 to 10g of sn.

 

[strangelife]

I think it's a bad idea, it increases the chance of a failed attempt. Capsules can also be thrown up, because not all of them can dissolve at the same time and a dosage of 8-10 may not be lethal. The essence of the method is to get as much of the substance absorbed into the blood as quickly as possible

 

[rozeske]

@rozeske i want sn to slowly absorb. how do i do that? i know, this is really against sn protocol but i will be going with 8 to 10g of sn.

Almost all the failed attempts of sn reported here are from not following the protocol exactly. Why 8 to 10g? How much do you weigh?

 

[losi]

@strangelife i want sn to take it's time to absorb, atleast 30 mins. how do i do that?

@rozeske enteric MAY reduce the chance of vomiting also it will take 1 to 2 hours to dissolve in small intestine. which need to be researched. in sn successful 3 memebers ctbed with capsules. i weight 47kg, vomit easily, large amount is to reduce consciousness and quick ctb rather than successful ctb. should i have to wait 15 mins after taking clonazepam, later take sn. is there anyway i can take both of them but make sure sn dissolve in blood after like 20 to 30mins?

 

[rozeske]

@rozeske enteric MAY reduce the chance of vomiting also it will take 1 to 2 hours to dissolve in small intestine. which need to be researched. in sn successful 3 memebers ctbed with capsules. i weight 47kg, vomit easily, large amount is to reduce consciousness and quick ctb rather than successful ctb. should i have to wait 15 mins after taking clonazepam, later take sn. is there anyway i can take both of them but make sure sn dissolve in blood after like 20 to 30mins?

Even if you decided 25g is overkill as per the weight chart for your weight you should be taking around 16g.

As I understand it the high dose is not just for a quick one but also a successful one. Once it is absorbed by the time your body recognizes it's toxicity even if you vomit, enough would already have been absorbed it would be fetal.

But I can't help you on the how to delay it aspect as am only familiar with the protocol. Keep us updated on your research though.

 

[Forever Sleep]

This has been discussed a fair bit in the past... Here's one thread but you can probably find more using the search bar...

Putting SN or other salts inside of stomach-acid resistant capsules?

Some medications are meant to work in the small intestine and are taken as stomach-resistant capsules. These capsules can usually be opened and could be filled with stomach irritating substances such as SN or other lethal salts. Might this help to reduce the chance of vomitting? What do you...

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The consensus seems to be that it's too risky. I'm no expert but I believe the sudden uptake of nitrite is what (hopefully) causes a drop in blood pressure and unconsciousness. So, delaying that may delay unconsciousness perhaps. There's a risk the capsule could get stuck somewhere and dissolve there.

I considered doing both at one point. Taking the capsules and a dose mixed with water but timings are difficult to predict.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I'm no expert but I believe the sudden uptake of nitrite is what (hopefully) causes a drop in blood pressure and unconsciousness.

No, that's the release of nitric oxide and hypotension.

 

[Forever Sleep]

No, that's the release of nitric oxide and hypotension.

Thanks- that's what I looked for briefly before giving up. I guess the principle is the same though right? From memory- nitrite is broken down into nitrate and nitric oxide in the stomach I presume? Would the enteric capsules therefore skip the stomach and be broken down in the gut? So- skip this?

 

[losi]

@Forever Sleep you're right, all i want is to delay the sn in body. let clonazepam take it time to knock me out later sn be absorbed in the blood. i'm more concerned if the whole capsule is vomited, because enteric capsule very slowly dissolve in small intestine (takes 1 to 2 hour). i don't know what will happen when any poison is slowly released inside the body. if you have diazepam, it is better to take sn with water. i will try to put enteric capsule in ro water(acidic is lower) and see how sn and enteric capsules dissolve.

 

[Forever Sleep]

@Forever Sleep you're right, all i want is to delay the sn in body. let clonazepam take it time to knock me out later sn be absorbed in the blood. i'm more concerned if the whole capsule is vomited, because enteric capsule very slowly dissolve in small intestine (takes 1 to 2 hour). i don't know what will happen when any poison is slowly released inside the body. if you have diazepam, it is better to take sn with water. i will try to put enteric capsule in ro water(acidic is lower) and see how sn and enteric capsules dissolve.

Yeah, I understand. Initially, those capsules seemed like a good idea to me- seeing as the aim is surely to enable as much SN to get into the gut as possible. Plus, yeah- that makes sense also- to let one drug knock you out while the SN takes effect. I guess it's still the timings that frighten me.

Plus, just the whole thing of us being our own lab rat. I hate it that we're going to have to take these risks if we want out or, we have to wait until life has become sufficiently bad enough and irretrievable enough in other people's eyes to be able to get out humanely.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

From memory- nitrite is broken down into nitrate and nitric oxide in the stomach I presume? Would the enteric capsules therefore skip the stomach and be broken down in the gut? So- skip this?

So this is the same issue that I've seen discussed before, having the capsules to bypass the trouble of having to drink it and possibly causing irritation in the stomach hence the abdominal pain, The enteric capsules do not skip the stomach; instead, they are designed to resist breakdown in the stomach's acidic environment and dissolve in the gut where they can release their contents effectively but there may be a problem, While enteric coatings are beneficial for protecting medications from gastric acid and targeting specific areas of the GI tract, they may not always provide complete protection or ensure optimal drug delivery, Additionally, some studies have suggested that enteric coatings may not always offer significant gastrointestinal protection and could still lead to adverse effects or complications in certain cases, and so, I don't know if its worth taking a shot in the dark with SN.

Also, I have to correct myself, the unconsciousness caused primarily by the development of Methemoglobinemia whereas in the case of ctb, unconsciousness can occur as a consequence of profound hypoxia caused by methemoglobinemia and this point, this is where people develop seizures, their cardiac output can no longer compensate for the lack of oxygen and increased blood flow due to SNs Vasodilatory effects, cardiac arrest and death become a real possibility.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I hate it that we're going to have to take these risks if we want out or, we have to wait until life has become sufficiently bad enough and irretrievable enough in other people's eyes to be able to get out humanely.

Agreed, this part irks me a lot about ctb, here we are, having to read and summarize the risks of every chosen method we can have access to without getting into legal trouble, adequately plan for months on end to learn from the mistakes of others so we don't repeat ourselves, or at least; we hope we don't because it's easier said than done and hope every time we think about our attempt that things will be different for us.

And yet we live in a world that doesn't respect our right to ctb because we have to meet certain criteria first but even then, it would be preferred if we kept fighting to live because ctbing is still seen a light of "throwing in the towel".

 

[losi]

@rozeske so enteric capsule is not reliable as such enteric coated tablets or pellets. according to a reference, capsule may release about 19% of contents in stomach where ph is 1 to 3 and release about 70 to 80% of contents in small intestine. the timing stated in google is how enteric capsule should work as per rules. in reality enteric capsule according to brands, they work very individually. some may take 1 to 2 hours to disintegrate or it can even take take more than that or very quick. it is like still in development stage for capsules. also not suitable for sn where Methemoglobinemia is used for ctb. it is better suitable for opioid OD. this is the result i got.

i don't know how to time when sn kicks i should be already knocked out.

 

[SadTitan]

I'm also looking into using capsules because I have a hard drinking salt water. I tested myself a couple time with regular salt and I just cant finish it. I'm also heavy so I'll need to down a good amount of capsules. I understand my rate of success is probably cut in half doing so but I don't see another way around it. If you're interested I'll maybe document my experience.

 

[losi]

@SadTitan if it is normal capsule you can do it. most of em will dissolve instantly. but one thing is enteric capsules is still at development stage. i looked into i think it will be good for opioids. i would never recommend enteric for SN method.

i don't want youto be an experimental for others. no one deserve it. you deserve way better.

 

[SadTitan]

I value your input. I have acquired these capsules and am prepared to commence filling them, wearing gloves and the requisite equipment for capsule filling. Additionally, I possess a scale to accurately measure the quantity I produce.

 

[losi]

@SadTitan
those are normal gel capsules not enteric ones. this one is

 

[ClimbingCranes]

@SadTitan if it is normal capsule you can do it. most of em will dissolve instantly. but one thing is enteric capsules is still at development stage. i looked into i think it will be good for opioids. i would never recommend enteric for SN method.

i don't want youto be an experimental for others. no one deserve it. you deserve way better.

Is rice true?

@SadTitan
those are normal gel capsules not enteric ones. this one is

Are these okay to use? https://www.amazon.co.uk/BULK-POWDE...d=2e3c840483053229b1d6a926c156994d&th=1&psc=1

 

[losi]

@ClimbingCranes you have to swallow 25 capsules with significant amount of water. i don't recommend any capsules. capsules you mentioned will be opened within 5 minutes. it will delay sn absorption into blood for 5 mins.

also you may puke whole capsules because of one capsule of SN's side effect.

alternatively you can numb your tongue with some kind of gel mentioned here. best option.

also you can do your own test with ph 1.5 to 5.5 level of water and look how long does it take for capsule to open. for me the top of the capsule opened within 1 minute.

 

[ClimbingCranes]

@ClimbingCranes you have to swallow 25 capsules with significant amount of water. i don't recommend any capsules. capsules you mentioned will be opened within 5 minutes. it will delay sn absorption into blood for 5 mins.

also you may puke whole capsules because of one capsule of SN's side effect.

alternatively you can numb your tongue with some kind of gel mentioned here. best option.

also you can do your own test with ph 1.5 to 5.5 level of water and look how long does it take for capsule to open. for me the top of the capsule opened within 1 minute.

What do you mean delay? And how long will the capsules take to work etc? I have to do the capsule method no doubt about it. I have over 40g's in capsules so I have enough. How will it take for the sn to go into my blood from when swallowing the capsules?

 

[losi]

@ClimbingCranes delay means SN will be absorbed into the blood slowly. you may feel symptoms longer than usual. you have the hpmc capsule, it will dissolve rapidly. intake 20g first, if you can take another 5g, go for it.

make sure you swallow 20g at the same time. within 20 seconds max.

 

[rozeske]

@ClimbingCranes delay means SN will be absorbed into the blood slowly. you may feel symptoms longer than usual. you have the hpmc capsule, it will dissolve rapidly. intake 20g first, if you can take another 5g, go for it.

make sure you swallow 20g at the same time. within 20 seconds max.

Can we please stop providing unsubstantiated informations that could potentially lead to damages. Some people have a habit of not doing enough research and set themselves up for possible failure, more so when they find such Instructions and suggestions.

 

[losi]

@rozeske i already gave the warning not to do it, suggested the best option too. the member is so adamant about capsule method. in the end i suggested swallow it all at once. nothing i can do other than this.

also if you notice no human can swallow 20 capsules in 20 seconds. it is a lot. those 00 capsules are damn big. no one can do it. i wanted to say use water and type this but i hit reply early by accident. and tor is damn slow to start again.

i'm also angry that ppeh is praised here. even basic info like taking SN and benzo at the same time is faulted in the first place. barely anyone talked about it. or no one slander ppeh author. if anyone raise their voice, the person in the turn is shunned down.

also author suggest taking 2nd glass if vomited or abort it, with mentioning taking 500mg of diazepam. members here took a note and suggest it is not practical and give info like very small amount. but if i follow ppeh, it can also lead to damages. i can't abort it, i will be knocked out for days without dying if i vomit every SN. so where is the criticism that ppeh deserves. where i immediately called out for giving info that can lead to damage too?

whenever i read ppeh, it is just so business oriented. it is just sickening.