Venting Dear incels (a light hearted rant from a woman)

[halleyscomet]

Incels are no doubt a consequence of our sexist and patriarchal society, men are just as much as a victim of the patriarchy as women are. We are all affected negatively by it, in different ways yes but nonetheless we all suffer under this society.

However those who actively choose to identify as incels are losers who are just mad because they can't get laid. Like sex seriously isn't that important, and I'm sure there are plenty of woman willing to love you - you're just stuck up your own ass with self pity and it's pretty hilarious to look at as a woman.

All this insecurity about looks and personality or whatever, is what we woman experience on a daily basis, even outside of trying to find a partner.

You're misplacing your hatred of society onto all women, we didn't make this shit up lmao, we are the ones actively trying to defy it.

I personally volunteer to fuck each and every incel so they will stop whining on the internet.

It's okay to be insecure and have a hard time finding a partner, but don't hate woman for it. Improve yourself, love yourself the best you can and that will attract people to you.

Or just fuck a dude that could work too lol.

Also you don't need to have a girlfriend to feel valid, enjoy single life! You don't need anyone to have a good life.

Just don't choose to identify as an incel, trust that repells us women more lmao

This also applies to femcels that hate all men and shit yall are losers too.

 

[Ares]

Perfectly logical! Other than the, uh, "volunteering". That's probably a bad idea. Anywayssss, I don't think I've read so much about incels until today... I honestly forgot that sort of mindset legitimately existed ahaha!! Ego infects people I suppose.

 

[sserafim]

I'd only fuck an incel if he were hot

 

[CowardStaysIn]

Incels are no doubt a consequence of our sexist and patriarchal society, men are just as much as a victim of the patriarchy as women are. We are all affected negatively by it, in different ways yes but nonetheless we all suffer under this society.

However those who actively choose to identify as incels are losers who are just mad because they can't get laid. Like sex seriously isn't that important, and I'm sure there are plenty of woman willing to love you - you're just stuck up your own ass with self pity and it's pretty hilarious to look at as a woman.

All this insecurity about looks and personality or whatever, is what we woman experience on a daily basis, even outside of trying to find a partner.

You're misplacing your hatred of society onto all women, we didn't make this shit up lmao, we are the ones actively trying to defy it.

I personally volunteer to fuck each and every incel so they will stop whining on the internet.

It's okay to be insecure and have a hard time finding a partner, but don't hate woman for it. Improve yourself, love yourself the best you can and that will attract people to you.

Or just fuck a dude that could work too lol.

Also you don't need to have a girlfriend to feel valid, enjoy single life! You don't need anyone to have a good life.

Just don't choose to identify as an incel, trust that repells us women more lmao

This also applies to femcels that hate all men and shit yall are losers too.

Very true. Speaking as a middle-aged woman (46), it's not about looks, it is about whether or not we can stand to be around you men. Develop a personality that isn't negative and hateful, get in touch with your emotions and let yourself feel them, get help, find a hobby/something you're really interested in. DON' LISTEN TO MANOSPHERE TYPES - THEY JUST WANT YOUR MONEY AND TO HURT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE THEMSELVES. Yes, you can care about your appearance, but don't make too much of it. What's attractive is someone you can actually be with, someone you can talk to, you can laugh with, who isn't afraid to show that they care, can/will listen, will be there with you as well as for you.

And yes, it takes work. As does everything on this planet. And no, it's not gonna happen overnight. You have to make an effort not to fall into darkness because this psychopathic world wants you there - in darkness, in fear, in negativity. To break you down. Don't let it break you down. And don't let shitty people make you hate an entire sex - that makes no sense whatsoever.

But that's just my opinion. I've had my share of shitty (and abusive) men in my life, but do I hate men? No. I'm wary because patriarchy and toxic masculinity, but I don't hate men. Part of life is dealing with/weeding out the shitty people to find the gems with whom you can be and be you.

So yes, work on improving yourself by all means, but do it for you, not to get anything/one. Being an incel doesn't help anything, and you're co-signing people (women are people, remember) getting hurt/killed for some asshole's temper tantrum that he isn't a chad and cAnT GeT gUrLies.

 

[Ares]

I'd only fuck an incel if they were hot

I.... would not.

 

[Dark Moon]

Oh, it's one of these threads again.

I believe sex is important for health benefits and would women like/love me? Maybe, I agree that my mindset is probably negative at the moment.

The reason why I don't like society is because I'm neurodivergent and I don't fit in nor pass society, it doesn't mean that I hate all women.

Yeah I'm not gay.

I never actually identified as an incel.

 

[WhatAFish]

I'm sure there are plenty of woman willing to love you - you're just stuck up your own ass with self pity and it's pretty hilarious to look at as a woman.

This is why you shouldn't be so confident about this topic.

You clearly don't understand it

 

[weatherforecast]

I identify as an incel because I relate more to them than I relate to an average person. Personally, I'm not looking to have sex, I just want to have a partner that I can talk to & have fun with. My looks have affected this (feel free to disagree in general, but this is my experience) as I have been called ugly by some despite having never talked to them. It's pretty difficult to love and improve yourself in this world where everything beats you down...
Anyway, I don't identify / agree with incels who insult women but I still feel empathy for them

 

[Guy Smiley]

I personally volunteer to fuck each and every incel so they will stop whining on the internet.

If this actually worked, you would forever be remembered as a martyr for all humankind.

 

[FadingDawn]

" I personally volunteer to fuck each and every incel"

Lol, you do not want to say that. A lot of horny creeps on the internet.

But I agree with, and appreciate this posts.

 

[WoNkEy_DoNkEy]

@Adûnâi @SexyIncél
I'm sure this topic is right up your street to try and justify to the OP.
@Dr Iron Arc of you somehow think you're an incel then you too can.

 

[halleyscomet]

" I personally volunteer to fuck each and every incel"

Lol, you do not want to say that. A lot of horny creeps on the internet.

But I agree with, and appreciate this posts.

I'm deadly serious lmao, if they promise to stop whining I'll do it.

 

[FadingDawn]

I'm deadly serious lmao, if they promise to stop whining I'll do it.

RIP to your DMs. Tbh I'm sure you'd vomit if you ever them irl tho lol
Seriously tho, thanks for posts; I think I recently posted some replies to the incels threads myself. Very annoying and disturbing to have it in this site.

 

[hot]

I'd only fuck an incel if he were hot

This would simply confirm Incel's point of view hahahahhahahahahazhahhahahaha

 

[halleyscomet]

This is why you shouldn't be so confident about this topic.

You clearly don't understand it

I do understand it. I know what it's like to be insecure and to feel unlovable. But I do not blame women or men for that.

I spent so long hating myself and believing that my looks and personality made me unlovable, but as soon as I stopped pitying myself and put my best foot forward I found that people were attracted to me. Incels are stuck in a self pitying mindset where they blame everyone else for their shortcomings. Society is the problem, not women. If you improve yourself mentally and physically, people will see that and want to be around you. If you're miserable and whining 24/7 then there's no wonder people don't like you, it's exhausting to be around.

 

[Yuina]

I'm deadly serious lmao, if they promise to stop whining I'll do it.

You might be onto something here.

 

[FadingDawn]

I do understand it. I know what it's like to be insecure and to feel unlovable. But I do not blame women or men for that.

I spent so long hating myself and believing that my looks and personality made me unlovable, but as soon as I stopped pitying myself and put my best foot forward I found that people were attracted to me. Incels are stuck in a self pitying mindset where they blame everyone else for their shortcomings. Society is the problem, not women. If you improve yourself mentally and physically, people will see that and want to be around you. If you're miserable and whining 24/7 then there's no wonder people don't like you, it's exhausting to be around.

I mean tbh, I'm autistic, a hermit, disgusting, unbearable and degenerate; but I don't go bitching on the internet about it, and have some weird obsession with virginity which translates into vicious misogyny. These people are just degens and pathetic; people can be lonely, etc, and not incels.

 

[SexyIncél]

@Adûnâi @SexyIncél
I'm sure this topic is right up your street to try and justify to the OP.
@Dr Iron Arc of you somehow think you're an incel then you too can.

Haha, aren't people tired of me chiming in on these threads? Or do you enjoy the trashfires I start? :P

I mean... I know the OP's probably joking, but it's pretty badass to bang lonely people. Like the guy who coined "feminism". He was maybe an incel. And also a utopian socialist: "He imagined that in his utopian community no one would need to go without sex: the recently rejected or otherwise sexually deprived could be visited by an 'army of lovers'"

So, for such a society, of course I'd gladly share physical intimacy with lovely older ladies that men are such jerks to. No copping an attitude like "FINE, guess I'll have to touch you." Hell no, we'll explore things young gals are maybe too basic to understand

Even now, I flirt with gay guys sometimes. I've never boinked a guy, and I think we'll have to avoid butt stuff... but yeah, gimme a sweet sensitive guy and a pair of velvet gloves... well, he'll be cumming his brains out. When I let him

So needless to say, I agree with abundant intimacy & sex. (But of course, people always have to act reasonably to access guaranteed services)

---

Disagreements with our aforementioned badass OP?

Well, I think we need companionship to have a good life. Humans form into group minds. Not as hardcore as termites or fire ants. But you get a massive cognitive boost in conversations where you understand each other. Anyone who's had hours-long conversations understand this. Social relations give life purpose

Also, when women say "sex isn't that important", I think men find that gaslighting. When I amplify teammates in accomplishing their goals, I listen to what they say, and try to take it seriously. And personally, I enjoy physical intimacy. Everyone should have it. It's fun; it's performance art where her bed's a stage. We can create a zone of transgression, where she explores things that normally can't be allowed in daily life

Better than netflix, where we stare at other people's lives

That said, there's ways to reduce some of the sex-obsession. Like if society values men for simply existing, not performing... and lets us freely develop our talents & friendships... yes that'd ease much social pressure!

Also, radical abundance will help both genders reduce certain biological tendencies, that get sharpened with radical scarcity

But again, maybe people who say "sex isn't that important" just haven't had good sex. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean, I'd say good food isn't important, if I only knew basic food

 

[WoNkEy_DoNkEy]

Haha, aren't people tired of me chiming in on these threads? Or do you enjoy the trashfires I start? :P

@SexyIncél If a thread exists with people arguing for/against incels then ideally it needs the few who genuinely are to make their point even if others disagree (I don't like or agree with incels but you do argue your case well). And yes I suppose a small part of me likes the chaos too. Just look at the comment above, ok maybe too harsh.

 

[sserafim]

Haha, aren't people tired of me chiming in on these threads? Or do you enjoy the trashfires I start? :P

I mean... I know the OP's probably joking, but it's pretty badass to bang lonely people. Like the guy who coined "feminism". He was maybe an incel. And also a utopian socialist: "He imagined that in his utopian community no one would need to go without sex: the recently rejected or otherwise sexually deprived could be visited by an 'army of lovers'"

So, for such a society, of course I'd gladly share physical intimacy with lovely older ladies that men are such jerks to. No copping an attitude like "FINE, guess I'll have to touch you." Hell no, we'll explore things young gals are maybe too basic to understand

Even now, I flirt with gay guys sometimes. I've never boinked a guy, and I think we'll have to avoid butt stuff... but yeah, gimme a sweet sensitive guy and a pair of velvet gloves... well, he'll be cumming his brains out. When I let him

So needless to say, I agree with abundant intimacy & sex. (But of course, people always have to act reasonably to access guaranteed services)

---

Disagreements with our aforementioned badass OP?

Well, I think we need companionship to have a good life. Humans form into group minds. Not as hardcore as termites or fire ants. But you get a massive cognitive boost in conversations where you understand each other. Anyone who's had hours-long conversations understand this. Social relations give life purpose

Also, when women say "sex isn't that important", I think men find that gaslighting. When I amplify teammates in accomplishing their goals, I listen to what they say, and try to take it seriously. And personally, I enjoy physical intimacy. Everyone should have it. It's fun; it's performance art where her bed's a stage. We can create a zone of transgression, where she explores things that normally can't be allowed in daily life

Better than netflix, where we stare at other people's lives

That said, there's ways to reduce some of the sex-obsession. Like if society values men for simply existing, not performing... and lets us freely develop our talents & friendships... yes that'd ease much social pressure!

Also, radical abundance will help both genders reduce certain biological tendencies, that get sharpened with radical scarcity

But again, maybe people who say "sex isn't that important" just haven't had good sex. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean, I'd say good food isn't important, if I only knew basic food

Why do humans form into hive minds?

 

[Dot]

Incels are no doubt a consequence of our sexist and patriarchal society, men are just as much as a victim of the patriarchy as women are. We are all affected negatively by it, in different ways yes but nonetheless we all suffer under this society.

However those who actively choose to identify as incels are losers who are just mad because they can't get laid. Like sex seriously isn't that important, and I'm sure there are plenty of woman willing to love you - you're just stuck up your own ass with self pity and it's pretty hilarious to look at as a woman.

All this insecurity about looks and personality or whatever, is what we woman experience on a daily basis, even outside of trying to find a partner.

You're misplacing your hatred of society onto all women, we didn't make this shit up lmao, we are the ones actively trying to defy it.

I personally volunteer to fuck each and every incel so they will stop whining on the internet.

It's okay to be insecure and have a hard time finding a partner, but don't hate woman for it. Improve yourself, love yourself the best you can and that will attract people to you.

Or just fuck a dude that could work too lol.

Also you don't need to have a girlfriend to feel valid, enjoy single life! You don't need anyone to have a good life.

Just don't choose to identify as an incel, trust that repells us women more lmao

This also applies to femcels that hate all men and shit yall are losers too.

Tbf tho = nt ur plce 2 dcide wht = importnt & nt importnt t/ othr ppl

Fr mny = nt jst abt sx - = abt feelng rejectd & lookd dwn upon & isol8td & as tho thre r relatnshp rules tht evry1 els knws xcept thse ppl wh/ cnnt attrct othrs

Slf dsgree wth misndry & mysogny & also th/ racsm & slurs whch happn on incel.is & whch = smetmes brght ovr t/ SaSu hwevr SaSu = nt a plce t/ mck or dwn-ply othr ppl strggles

 

[SexyIncél]

Imaging thinking men's poor feelings are hurt when they hear sex isn't important. Listen here, chief, from someone who isn't a women: sex isn't important. I've seen your previous posts, and you're a disgusting, sexist dumb cunt.

Well, the trashfire erupted faster than I expected! :P Only 4 mins

While I had to report this post, because he might target others... I'm actually thankful for it. Because earlier, I advised feminists to do the hard job of organizing together with incels against the patriarchy that brands them "losers" — even if many are virulently misogynist

And I can only ask feminists to do this, if I'm willing to deal with virulent people myself. But it looks like I can. He's stalking me, but I'm feeling just ducky. (After all, I'm anonymous here)

And if you do it, I'll have your back & ridicule any jerk that comes after you!

 

[EmptyHeaded]

Why do humans form into hive minds?

It's the same reason many other animals live in groups. It helps ensure survival.

 

[sserafim]

It's the same reason many other animals live in groups. It helps ensure survival.

Why couldn't humans have been solitary animals? I wish I could've been a snow leopard or jaguar in this life. I hate how we live in societies and are therefore dependent on other people. I never wanted to be a part of society anyways, but my survival depends on it, so I'll inevitably have to participate in it just to survive. This fact is so annoying. I never asked for any of this

 

[EmptyHeaded]

Why couldn't humans have been solitary animals? I wish I could've been a snow leopard or jaguar in this life. I hate how we live in societies and are therefore dependent on other people. I never wanted to be a part of society anyways, but my survival depends on it, so I'll inevitably have to participate in it just to survive. This fact is so annoying. I never asked for any of this

It's just the way we are. Evolution. Strength in numbers, if you will.

 

[WoNkEy_DoNkEy]

Why couldn't humans have been solitary animals? I wish I could've been a snow leopard or jaguar in this life. I hate how we live in societies and are therefore dependent on other people. I never wanted to be a part of society anyways, but my survival depends on it, so I'll inevitably have to participate in it just to survive. This fact is so annoying. I never asked for any of this

Hehehe..... that's ironic in some ways because like a female Jag or leopard you too were gonna mate just once in life and then go back to your solitude. @sserafim

@SexyIncél I'm normally the first to report things like that, but yes that comment took things too far. What does kiwi farm think of incels?

 

[halleyscomet]

I mean tbh, I'm autistic, a hermit, disgusting, unbearable and degenerate; but I don't go bitching on the internet about it, and have some weird obsession with virginity which translates into vicious misogyny. These people are just degens and pathetic; people can be lonely, etc, and not incels.

That's exactly what I was ranting about. It's perfectly okay to be insecure, but being a sexist asshole about it (aka an incel) is unacceptable and all the people upset about this post fall into this category. I don't think men that struggle with self esteem and have their virginity are losers, they only become losers if they become sexist assholes due to it.

The same applies to woman who hate all men and blame men for all of the worlds problems. I think a lot of the people mad about this post have a lot of self reflecting to do. It's perfectly reasonable to call these people losers, because they view women as some object that they deserve to use how they please.

Haha, aren't people tired of me chiming in on these threads? Or do you enjoy the trashfires I start? :P

I mean... I know the OP's probably joking, but it's pretty badass to bang lonely people. Like the guy who coined "feminism". He was maybe an incel. And also a utopian socialist: "He imagined that in his utopian community no one would need to go without sex: the recently rejected or otherwise sexually deprived could be visited by an 'army of lovers'"

So, for such a society, of course I'd gladly share physical intimacy with lovely older ladies that men are such jerks to. No copping an attitude like "FINE, guess I'll have to touch you." Hell no, we'll explore things young gals are maybe too basic to understand

Even now, I flirt with gay guys sometimes. I've never boinked a guy, and I think we'll have to avoid butt stuff... but yeah, gimme a sweet sensitive guy and a pair of velvet gloves... well, he'll be cumming his brains out. When I let him

So needless to say, I agree with abundant intimacy & sex. (But of course, people always have to act reasonably to access guaranteed services)

---

Disagreements with our aforementioned badass OP?

Well, I think we need companionship to have a good life. Humans form into group minds. Not as hardcore as termites or fire ants. But you get a massive cognitive boost in conversations where you understand each other. Anyone who's had hours-long conversations understand this. Social relations give life purpose

Also, when women say "sex isn't that important", I think men find that gaslighting. When I amplify teammates in accomplishing their goals, I listen to what they say, and try to take it seriously. And personally, I enjoy physical intimacy. Everyone should have it. It's fun; it's performance art where her bed's a stage. We can create a zone of transgression, where she explores things that normally can't be allowed in daily life

Better than netflix, where we stare at other people's lives

That said, there's ways to reduce some of the sex-obsession. Like if society values men for simply existing, not performing... and lets us freely develop our talents & friendships... yes that'd ease much social pressure!

Also, radical abundance will help both genders reduce certain biological tendencies, that get sharpened with radical scarcity

But again, maybe people who say "sex isn't that important" just haven't had good sex. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mean, I'd say good food isn't important, if I only knew basic food

I do get that, but you don't need sex to survive. It's more important to be content with yourself then throw yourself into the world of sex.

And again, it's perfectly okay to want sex, and struggle and be insecure. It is not okay to hate women and act like entitled assholes about it (aka be an incel).

 

[RainAndSadness]

sex seriously isn't that important

Sex isn't but affection and intimacy tied to sex is. And I'm pretty sure that the majority of people will agree with me here. I understand where you're coming from but just telling people to just not identify as incels as if that takes anything away from their self-perceived misery is a bad idea. It doesn't help, it's basically just mocking people who seek refuge in a community of mind-liked people. That's what the term incel exists for, to describe a struggle that's fundamental to their identity and therefore it's helpful for them to find others who share their struggle. Not all incels are hateful, sadly many of the largest and most popular communities are. And I have strong criticism towards their rhetoric and attitude towards other people who they blame for their struggles, inluding the glorification of rape and violence. But as I said, not all incels are hateful and I welcome incels who seek out the company of a more empathic and compassionate community such as ours because I feel like they're more receptible to good-faith advice and support - as long as they follow the rules of course. Sadly, your thread, telling them to not identify with a certain term, as if it's the real issue here, isn't really helping and you're also downplaying their subjective suffering (for example: 'sex isn't important') and I don't think that's in any way constructive and on top of that, it's just gonna be another thread that causes debate. Let people identify as incels, if it gives them a sense of belonging and community, who cares - what matters are words and actions, right. And that's what we should call out. And honestly, I'd rather have them seek support in this forum where they meet "regular" people, as regular as us suicidal people can be, where there is a chance that they get deprogrammed and deradicalised, than them ending up on other popular forums where they will spiral into more extreme beliefs, due to the nature of these spaces - and that's the worse outcome for everyone. So there is also a strategic component to my empathic approach to incelcom. I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Thanks.

 

[halleyscomet]

Sex isn't but affection and intimacy tied to sex is. And I'm pretty sure that the majority of people will agree with me here. I understand where you're coming from but just telling people to just not identify as incels as if that takes anything away from their self-perceived misery is a bad idea. It doesn't help, it's basically just mocking people who seek refuge in a community of mind-liked people. That's what the term incel exists for, to describe a struggle that's fundamental to their identity and therefore it's helpful for them to find others who share their struggle. Not all incels are hateful, sadly many of the largest and most popular communities are. And I have strong criticism towards their rhetoric and attitude towards other people who they blame for their struggles, inluding the glorification of rape and violence. But as I said, not all incels are hateful and I welcome incels who seek out the company of a more empathic and compassionate community such as ours because I feel like they're more receptible to good-faith advice and support - as long as they follow the rules of course. Sadly, your thread, telling them to not identify with a certain term, as if it's the real issue here, isn't really helping and you're also downplaying their subjective suffering (for example: 'sex isn't important') and I don't think that's in any way constructive and on top of that, it's just gonna be another thread that causes debate. Let people identify as incels, if it gives them a sense of belonging and community, who cares - what matters are words and actions, right. And that's what we should call out. And honestly, I'd rather have them seek support in this forum where they meet "regular" people, as regular as us suicidal people can be, where there is a chance that they get deprogrammed and deradicalised, than them ending up on other popular forums where they will spiral into more extreme beliefs, due to the nature of these spaces - and that's the worse outcome for everyone. So there is also a strategic component to my empathic approach to incelcom. I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Thanks.

I mostly agree, but incels are explicitly derogatory to women and shouldn't be accepted. As I've said many many times, men who are insecure and struggle are more than welcome and it's okay for men to struggle. What isn't okay are them identifying as incels who are explicitly misogynistic towards women. Wether that is the original definition of the word or not, the term incel is used by predatory or discriminatory men to justify their disgusting behaviour towards women.
We can agree to disagree on this one. I am not mocking their suffering one bit, I am mocking their way of justifying shitty behaviour. Men do struggle with this kind of thing every day, but they do not chose to blame or objectify women as a response to it.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

@Dr Iron Arc of you somehow think you're an incel then you too can.

I mean what more is there for me to say? I'm an incel but that doesn't make me misogynistic but nobody cares to listen. I'm trying to break the incel ceiling by eventually asking my crush out but if that falls through it will just confirm everything I already believe about it. I didn't want to look at these recent incel bashing threads because I knew I would be upset by people making generalizations from every which way.

I tend to sympathize with incels more because I am one. Everyone who thinks that all of them can change is wrong, only a select few get to break out and even then it takes a lot more work than it looks. It's not because they're ugly or short, it really is because of mindset and attitude but saying that's easy to change is rich coming from anyone on a suicide forum. Imagine telling someone here to just go outside and hit the gym to stop being suicidal. Or maybe essential oils can remove that chronic pain? Have you tried appreciating the sunrise to stop feeling so sad? If you want a high paying job just go in there, ask to see the manager, and give 'em a firm handshake and don't let go til they say yes.

That said, if that's what people don't want to hear, then so be it. I don't care to explain again for the hundredth time how I don't actually hate women, how nothing I do seems to be helping, and how I know I'm an incel and I hate myself for it so much that it's my reason to die. None of that matters.