Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[bridgeluvr626]

I'm wondering the same thing. Any time I've parked late at night any place to sleep in my car a cop has come along shining a flashlight in my car. It even happened once in the middle of nowhere in Georgia, I parked behind an abandoned gas station to get some sleep late at night when I was traveling.

Those meters you got need to be calibrated I was reading. Does yours come calibrated or you do have to send it somewhere for that? They have a CO sensitive chemical in them that changes over time.
Are you going to use charcoal or chemicals to make the CO? Do you plan to test it out first with the meter? Even just doing that might look suspicious.

I'm wondering the same thing. Any time I've parked late at night any place to sleep in my car a cop has come along shining a flashlight in my car. It even happened once in the middle of nowhere in Georgia, I parked behind an abandoned gas station to get some sleep late at night when I was traveling.

Those meters you got need to be calibrated I was reading. Does yours come calibrated or you do have to send it somewhere for that? They have a CO sensitive chemical in them that changes over time.
Are you going to use charcoal or chemicals to make the CO? Do you plan to test it out first with the meter? Even just doing that might look suspicious.

Exactly! I even forgot about the cops lmao, they also tend to pull up out of nowhere. Really trying to rack my brain and think of an ideal spot but all I can come up with is a campsite that's hopefully more remote and less trafficked on like a weekday...:/
And thanks for reminding me about the calibration! I just checked and luckily the one I got came pre-calibrated right before they shipped it, and they recommended to do it again in Nov 2024 (lol). It's the TPI707, I'd definitely recommend it just seeing the care they put into the guide and all.

And yeah, traditional charcoal on grill for me I think, fits into the whole campsite thing semi-believably. But once you put it in the car and if anyone sees...yeah I'm definitely worried since that looks sus af. Also I definitely want to protect others but having the sign on the door instantly blows your cover if anyone can read it from even quite a bit away. Tbh I think I'm just going to one shot it since I have the meter; hopefully in theory shouldn't be any issues if I can reach 10,000ppm right?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Tbh I think I'm just going to one shot it since I have the meter; hopefully in theory shouldn't be any issues if I can reach 10,000ppm right?

From older posts in this thread it is possible to reach quickly lethal concentrations of CO in a car easily. I assume the same applies for a tent / small room). If someone else opened the door from your car/tent the CO concentration (espcially what is left after some time when the BBQ is cold) will fall down very quickly as there is a lot of fresh around your car/tent. There is a risk but I consider it relatively low for others when it's a "camp-site" and there is lots of fresh air around the car/tent.

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But how don't the bottom of it melt with coals? I mean the metal buckets for that are made for ashes and used coals gets so hot that it will burn anything from its bottom if there is no wooden thing underneath it (they are made for empting cold or warm ashes from fireplaces and burn from bottom...

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Is there a way to do this without a car and without using fire? I'm using my bathroom and have sealed windows so air can't get inside. It's the smallest room I have. I will also place something in front of the space under the door so air can't get into the room. I will be lighting the...

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[Meditation guide]

So as soon as you put the grey coals into your car you would need to then get into the car yourself or the CO will go out when you open the door. Is that correct? And then no idea how long it would take from that point.

I also think it's not possible to seal up a car, the area under the dash is not sealable.

On another related subject there have been a few recent reports of people leaving their cars running all night and it killing everyone in the house. These are cars with catalytic converters too although who knows if the exhaust systems were intact without holes.

 

[gbi2]

Dunno if this is relevant or not

It's nearly impossible for carbon monoxide poisoning to occur in a vehicle without notice, Fisher said, unless the passengers are already asleep or impaired.

Officials haven't released a toxicology report or explained the details leading up to the Marines' deaths.

They could have been resting at the gas station with the air conditioning on and set it to recirculate cabin air, said Greg Brannon, director of automotive engineering for AAA. If exhaust fumes had seeped inside, air conditioning set to recirculate would not pull in any outside air to mix with the exhaust, causing the poisoning.

"Trying to take a nap in a running car is never a good idea, in my estimation," Brannon said. "The recirculating air is the most efficient way to cool a vehicle. And also more dangerous for this very reason."

If the air conditioning had not been set to recirculate, it could have pulled in fresh air and pushed out the contaminated air, he explained.

3 US Marines died of carbon monoxide poisoning in a car. Vehicle experts explain how that can happen

The deaths of three U.S. Marines who suffered carbon monoxide poisoning in a parked car at a North Carolina gas station have raised questions about how the situation could happen outdoors

abcnews.go.com

 

[Meditation guide]

A car with a faulty exhaust system can have a hole in the exhaust pipe, which is on the underside of the car, and also a hole or leak of exhaust somewhere in the engine compartment and the air conditioner can pull in that exhaust into the car. I had a car, an old audi, that did that.

Or if something is in the exhaust pipe blocking it so exhaust can't get out it can back up into the car. Usually that would cause the car engine to turn off but if there is a leak it's possibly going to get exhaust into a car. But they would smell the exhaust in the car usually.

 

[SoulMan56]

How about setting up the burning white charcoal in a small bathroom, drinking alcohol and mixing benzos, running a nice warm bath. If the CO won't kill you isn't there a decent chance you'll pass out and drown. What do people think?

 

[Intoxicated]

How about setting up the burning white charcoal in a small bathroom, drinking alcohol and mixing benzos, running a nice warm bath. If the CO won't kill you isn't there a decent chance you'll pass out and drown. What do people think?

I think, drowning is a highly reliable method on its own, and if you want to pass out quickly, you can consider displacing oxygen from the lungs by some easily obtainable gas like difluoroethane. Poisoning with carbon monoxide can be advantageous over drowning because it can kill you faster leaving less chances for resuscitation. But this advantage would be difficult to achieve with incomplete combustion of charcoal because of relatively low concentration of CO and possible production of burning smells if the quality of the charcoal is low.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

How about setting up the burning white charcoal in a small bathroom, drinking alcohol and mixing benzos, running a nice warm bath. If the CO won't kill you isn't there a decent chance you'll pass out and drown. What do people think?

People using alc and sedatives have failed attempts. There're threads somewhere on the forum. Aside from that: CO is a little bit lighter than air and also people have failed who layed down on the floor/in their bathtub but when they walked outside of the room they passed out suddenly but failed bc on the floor there's the least concentration of CO.

 

[SoulMan56]

I think, drowning is a highly reliable method on its own, and if you want to pass out quickly, you can consider displacing oxygen from the lungs by some easily obtainable gas like difluoroethane. Poisoning with carbon monoxide can be advantageous over drowning because it can kill you faster leaving less chances for resuscitation. But this advantage would be difficult to achieve with incomplete combustion of charcoal because of relatively low concentration of CO and possible production of burning smells if the quality of the charcoal is low.

difluoroethane looks like a legal high in the UK, and maybe used in compressed gas for cleaning computer equipment for example.

I also found this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11988029/Doctors-warn-against-huffing-aerosol-duster.html

It seems you can saturate a rag with it and inhale, or release it into a bag and inhale from there. I have a volcano vape I've previously vaped cannabis with. I might do an experiment of releasing duster gas into the bag and breathing it quickly and see how I go as a dry run.

I'm new to this forum; but for the life of me can't find the 'SEARCH' button anywhere to see if there are threads talking about it. Can you tell me where the search button is please? Thanks

 

[Intoxicated]

It seems you can saturate a rag with it and inhale, or release it into a bag and inhale from there.

On the videos I watched, people inhale gases straight from cans.

I'm new to this forum; but for the life of me can't find the 'SEARCH' button anywhere to see if there are threads talking about it. Can you tell me where the search button is please? Thanks

I think, that button appears after some amount of posts on this forum. A death case with difluoroethane and drowning was recently discussed in https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/aaron-carters-death.141237/

We can continue to discuss drowning there if you're interested in this method.

 

[Meditation guide]

The nice thing about a car or van is the small space so instead of a room with a high ceiling you're likely to get a higher concentration of CO.
I want to be lying down. I'm trying to figure out a type of car that I can do that in. I hate the idea of keeling over dead while sitting up.

 

[Meditation guide]

This was fast, done in a car. I think if he had worn appropriate breathing mask and tight goggles over his eyes it may have blocked the fumes. This was done with mixing the two acids. I'm paranoid about the fumes from the formic acid and would never do this this way. I would get out of the car if my throat started burning.

https://www.thename.org/assets/2018Handouts/2.6%20-%20Kreutz%2C%20Kasey.pdf

 

[Intoxicated]

Maybe a mixture of sodium formate and sulfuric acid can produce a less amount of HCOOH fumes? If poisoning with CO were my preferred method, I would give it a try.

Spoiler: Producing CO out of HCOONa (sodium formate, sodium methanoate) and H2SO4

2 HCOONa + H2SO4 = Na2SO4 + 2 HCOOH
HCOOH = H2O + CO

 

[Praestat_Mori]

This was fast, done in a car. I think if he had worn appropriate breathing mask and tight goggles over his eyes it may have blocked the fumes. This was done with mixing the two acids. I'm paranoid about the fumes from the formic acid and would never do this this way. I would get out of the car if my throat started burning.

You would have to wash the gas/fumes via a gas-wash-bottle so only pure CO is being released into the room/car/tent. It's a little bit more effort bc more lab tools are needed but I'd say it makes it much more peaceful.

 

[Intoxicated]

I think, filling a room, a car, or a tent with CO has a little sense, unless you are claustrophobic. A plastic bag should be a better CO container for several reasons. It gives you more mobility, and you can achieve a much higher concentration of CO in it (more than 50%) with a minimum amount of reagents. CO produced in a small vial can be enough to kill you.

 

[Meditation guide]

You can make a GULPS machine and instead of directly inhaling the gas catch it in a plastic bag. How you then inhale the gas from the bag I don't know.

 

[Intoxicated]

You can make a GULPS machine

I'd rather make a more compact filter out of gauze soaked with an alkaline solution.

How you then inhale the gas from the bag I don't know.

CO can be inhaled after putting the bag over the head and sealing it around the neck. In so high concentration, carbon monoxide should cause loss of consciousness in a few seconds.

 

[UnwillingSavior]

Mixing acids to generate CO is certainly a good idea bc pure CO gas is generated in the case you can acquire them. The only thing is, formic acid has a pungent smell so it's recommended to wash the gas.

Assuming you can mix 1kg of each acid there should be so much CO in the car or the tent within a short amount of time to die from it even without proper sealing. But it's always better to seal the room.

I'm thinking of creating CO from sulphuric and formic acid reaction as a backup to when I use inert gas (N2) in my car. Could you please tell me where to research how to "wash" a gas? From what I could find online and from this thread its basically directing the fumes of the reaction through a neutralizing liquid solution that leaves just the CO gas, so it doesn't burn your skin/throat/eyes. I don't want to assume so I ask anyways lol. Thank you.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I'm thinking of creating CO from sulphuric and formic acid reaction as a backup to when I use inert gas (N2) in my car. Could you please tell me where to research how to "wash" a gas? From what I could find online and from this thread its basically directing the fumes of the reaction through a neutralizing liquid solution that leaves just the CO gas, so it doesn't burn your skin/throat/eyes. I don't want to assume so I ask anyways lol. Thank you.

For inert gas / N2 you need an exit bag or SCBA mask to inhale pure N2 and no oxygen. Just opening the N2 cylinder inside a car won't work.

If you intend to use the CO method by mixing acids I'd suggest to get the needed lab tools from a lab supplier instead of crafting them with household materials like described in the PPeH. I personally would use professional lab tools.

Example pic of a gas washing bottle:

 

[Intoxicated]

If you make a flow of bubbles in water or alkaline solution, you probably need several gas-washing vessels to clean the gas effectively. The bubbles are big, and the contact between the gas and the water is limited by the bubbles' surface. I think, you can achieve a better contact in a wet gauze, because the gas will split into much smaller portions there. Maybe it won't be effective long enough to filter huge amounts of CO required for filling a car, but it should be pretty good at filtering small volumes for filling a plastic bag.

 

[Meditation guide]

If you make a flow of bubbles in water or alkaline solution, you probably need several gas-washing vessels to clean the gas effectively. The bubbles are big, and the contact between the gas and the water is limited by the bubbles' surface. I think, you can achieve a better contact in a wet gauze, because the gas will split into much smaller portions there. Maybe it won't be effective long enough to filter huge amounts of CO required for filling a car, but it should be pretty good at filtering small volumes for filling a plastic bag.

What do you mean by wet gauze? Is there a photo of a setup? I've been thinking about making such a setup for a while and it does seem to me after lots of consideration that simply having the gas come out into a water bath will not sufficiently remove the fumes/particles of acid. Is there a better more efficient way?

Suppose there is a water bath and something like surgical gauze in the bottom of it, with the hose delivering the gas into the water is under the gauze, so the gas must pass through the layer of gauze then bubble up through the water?

 

[Intoxicated]

What do you mean by wet gauze?

I thought about using a medical cotton gauze bandage moistened with a water solution of sodium hydroxide (or potassium hydroxide, or sodium carbonate) and placed inside a pipe or a hose. I think, the length of a gauze filter of 10 - 15 cm should be sufficient for capturing and neutralizing most of the acid molecules. There should be no too much water there, because too much water can make the filter air-tight.

Is there a photo of a setup?

I didn't see a photo or a setup, but the idea to use a cotton gauze bandage came out of the relatively well-known recommendations to use such a thing to protect yourself from chlorine leaks in case if a gas mask is not available. For example,

"Use gas masks or cotton gauze bandages soaked in water or, preferably, a 2-5% solution of sodium bicarbonate (if impaired by chlorine)" https://www.emergency-live.com/news...mical-attack-or-an-attack-on-chemical-plants/

Sodium bicarbonate is recommended because we're supposed to wear the mask on our face, so we shouldn't use a strong base that can burn our skin in this case. But if contact of the alkaline solution with the skin is excluded, we can use stronger bases for better efficiency. The efficiency of the filter can be tested with a pH test strip.

Suppose there is a water bath and something like surgical gauze in the bottom of it, with the hose delivering the gas into the water is under the gauze, so the gas must pass through the layer of gauze then bubble up through the water?

No, I'd probably make the filter out of a hose and a gauze bandage placed inside it. The system wouldn't include any vessels with water.

As I mentioned before, bubbles in water vessels are too large, their S/V (surface area / volume) ratio is less than the S/V ratio of smaller gas portions that you can get in a gauze. A spherical bubble with radius of 2 mm has 10 times smaller surface area than 1000 spherical bubbles with radius of 0.2 mm whose total volume is exactly the same. Greater S/V ratio makes filtering more efficient.

 

[WoodBob]

Le cadeau idéal à s'offrir à soi-même pour un franchissement réussi de la porte
The ideal gift to give yourself for a successful crossing of the door



Sinon si il y à une ou plusieurs personnes en France et alentours qui souhaiteraient qu'on se retrouve, qu'on se réunisse entre Âmes sur le départ pour partager ensemble le franchissement de cette Porte ki donnera à nos âmes l'accès à d'autres dimensions insoupçonnables jusqu'à ce jour .,..qu'elles n'hésitent pas à rentrer en contact avec moi pour qu'on en parle
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De mon côté tout est prêt et réfléchi depuis longue date. je suis quasiment prêt niveau logistique et équipements pour un départ réussit au monoxyde de carbone par combustion de charbon de bois japonais.

 

[bridgeluvr626]

Hi, is there any functional difference in using a hibachi grill vs a typical Weber grill for success with this method? Got inspired by BEEF on netflix lol

 

[imrantahir1208]

New to looking for this method to ctb. Is it better to get an airtight tent or do this in a car? My question about a tent or a car is wouldn't it be extremely hot when the charcoal is in an enclosed place for a while?

 

[huphup]

Are there any reports on here of people attempting with CO and then having negative long-term consequences?
also does the reaction between formic acid and sulphuric acid have to be heated, thinking of doing this in my car

 

[Intoxicated]

If you have fun filling large spaces with a poisonous gases, I'd recommend to consider H2S whose knockout concentration is 1000 ppm against 12800 ppm for CO.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

If you have fun filling large spaces with a poisonous gases, I'd recommend to consider H2S whose knockout concentration is 1000 ppm against 12800 ppm for CO.

You will leave that space long before you're knocked out because of the very nice smell of rotten eggs ... no thanks.

 

[Intoxicated]

You will leave that space long before you're knocked out because of the very nice smell of rotten eggs ... no thanks.

Examination of the records on 42 exposed workers who had become unconscious after exposure to hydrogen sulfide revealed that the majority described the odor of hydrogen sulfide as sickeningly sweet, rather than as that of rotten eggs.

At concentrations up to 30 ppm, the gas has an odor like that of rotten eggs. At a concentration of about 30 ppm, the odor of hydrogen sulfide may appear to be sweet or sickeningly sweet. Above 100 ppm, hydrogen sulfide rapidly abolishes the sense of smell, so that high concentrations may not be detected by odor at all.

Hydrogen sulfide at or above a concentration of 1,000 ppm usually produces unconsciousness immediately and causes death from respiratory arrest in minutes

Source: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/19388/cdc_19388_DS1.pdf

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Has anyone thought about using sulfuric acid and formic acid instead of charcoal? Seems to me it could be simpler and take less time than waiting for charcoal to burn and possibly attracting attention. I don't know much about it yet but would be curious about everyone else's opinions

Looks simple enough, but the contraption still seems like more work than a typical maximum depressed person would be capable of IMO. I'm not lazy by any means, but would rather just go out and buy a small charcoal grill, tent and solid impermeable plastic tarp for a top layer...in the hopes that these items would be enough.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-suicide-using-a-homemade-carbon-monoxide-%22death-Prahlow-Doyle/503f9014cfab8cfd0fea947c90af62894200b951