Discussion Are we safe?

[spanishguy22]

The facebook comments are extremely triggering for me to the point I would spew a huge amount of foul language, I'm impressed at this forum members and their ability to stay calm and composed. I'm stopping myself from commenting in order not to ruin the great attitute you guys keep showing. I have no tolerance for this human bullshit.
Thanks admins for risking your butt for a good cause.

 

[tiredandhuddledmass]

Since I found this forum and people helped me with the resources to leave without pain the constant nausea and vertigo, feelings of passing out and impulses to step in front of cars and buses have subsided and I feel more calm. You don't have control over being violated or what people do to you in this life but at least this way you have a choice to care for yourself and protect yourself from further pain. For some who have been degraded beyond repair that is the last remaining part of their humanity. I have the time now to write some letters and make some goodbyes. I hope the forum stays and all those who need it find their way here.

 

[Roger]

I found the shallow platitudes, the repetition of clichés, all those things, very frustrating and unsettling.
Whilst there is no way of measuring it, it would not surprise me if sites like SS save more lives than all of those wishy-washy ones which only intensify the frustration and sense of isolation in the truly suicidal.
Nothing defeats the truth.
I do think, though, that we should try and recognise and challenge those contributors who are probably voyeurs and agents provocateurs.

 

[omoidarui]

I feel that on every Goodbye topic we should have at least one poster who says something to the effect of, "please don't do anything impulsive, make sure you've sought help and that no other realistic option is available to you before making this decision", etc. (as they should).

I mean it's already obvious this is only a pro-choice forum, but we need to take extra precautions to dissuade those with the irrationality to point fingers in the aftermath of death. We don't advocate suicide, we only advocate the end of suffering, whatever that may be, whilst offering advice and companionship.

 

[spanishguy22]

I feel that on every Goodbye topic we should have at least one poster who says something to the effect of, "please don't do anything impulsive, make sure you've sought help and that no other realistic option is available to you before making this decision", etc. (as they should).

I mean it's already obvious this is only a pro-choice forum, but we need to take extra precautions to dissuade those with the irrationality to point fingers in the aftermath of death. We don't advocate suicide, we only advocate the end of suffering, whatever that may be, whilst offering advice and companionship.

Do you really think that will stop these people from flaming? Please, these people aren't the brightest. They are against the idea of suicide, in every way. There's no justification for it to most of them because they're too unempathetic/stupid religious nuts that have it good and don't know what it feels like to live a shitty life.

 

[omoidarui]

Do you really think that will stop these people from flaming? Please, these people aren't the brightest. They are against the idea of suicide, in every way. There's no justification for it to most of them because they're too unempathetic/stupid religious nuts that have it good and don't know what it feels like to live a shitty life.

can't argue with that.

the delusion is too powerful

 

[Ἡγησίας]

OMG, I am beginning to believe that everything I touch goes to ruin. Discovering this site was a kind of miracle for me, and a few days later, the threat of being banned has become very real... My biggest fear is how this could affect our benefactor A.

 

[Walilamdzi]

She even discussed why she wanted to ctb in a thread she made.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/fuck-work.14859/

 

[WolfgangA]

I don't think the idea that we call "pro-choice" or rather "choice" itself is actually not recognized(both knowingly and unknowingly) by those that thinks of us as "mentally troubled and/or possibly even criminals who should be punished, lucked up in the name of treatment". To them we or anyone "don't get to"choose".
Why you ask?
Look around yourself ... too many examples out there, to name a few: imaginary friend in the sky, their representatives on earth who likes to play dress up, the mass of blind sheep, schadenfreude and more.
Unfortunate as it is, this is the world most of us lives in.

 

[Soul]

@angie : I found the FB thread by searching for the screen name of the poster who died.

I want to second the opinion that I'm glad @Dead beat dad 's beautiful post was among those included. DBD, you always find beautiful words to hug people with. Thank you.

And ongoing thanks & praises for the forum admins.

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

People always look for the easy "blame" someone else. They need to look closer to home and realise their loved one had issues and made their own choice.
I came to this site as I've been dealing with the thoughts to ctb for most of my life. It helps to talk to people on here and I have such respect for everyone's honestly on here.

 

[Soul]

I'm sorry for the parents. Looking for someone else to blame is not a very evolved reaction, but maybe they'll come to better terms with what happened and understand that their daughter was in touch with people who cared what she was going through.

To keep the forum safe from accusations of encouraging others to do anything, does it help to talk about what I would do, rather than using terms like "you should"? It's legalistic, but maybe it helps.

 

[GeorgeJL]

I have information that would make this thread very interesting, very fast. Unfortunately I can't share to keep the integrity of this site. LOL But seriously I do.

 

[Deadgirl]

what i can say nobody here is forcing or helping other people having his or her own death. i can't believe the woman is blaming this site. if she is reading this i'd tell her i'm a depressed person but i never had the courage of ctb (to die) and here i found a lot of beautiful souls and one angel who care about me INSTEAD OF MY FUCKING SELFISH PARENTS who doesn't fucking care about me, about my health and my life in general. i'd be dead without all these beautiful people on here, THEY MAKE ME STAY ALIVE. dear mother of that death girl, is nobody fault here. maybe the only fault is yours, parents never understand their children, they just are good in complain about everything and blaming for everything. you know what? this is a lesson for you parents who never really care about how a son or a daughter is feeling. that's why a lot of guys like me are here: because of their parents. now i'm not blaming them directly because i don't know the situation, but sometimes it happens that parents don't understand their child. i'm sending some hugs to her family.

I agree wholeheartedly! The parents need to take some responsibility! My parents shut me out and meditated for having these feelings.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Check out his retarded thread with Kakabushi.

Primperan before SN

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/primperan-before-sn.16478/

 

[Alchemist]

Check out his retarded thread with Kakabushi.

Primperan before SN

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/primperan-before-sn.16478/

I'm confused with what do you mean.

 

[pane]

I have information that would make this thread very interesting, very fast. Unfortunately I can't share to keep the integrity of this site. LOL But seriously I do.

Could you please offer a hint (or three) regarding what the information is about?

 

[GeorgeJL]

I'm confused with what do you mean.

I just mean that it's retarded because only one person repiled, but even that reply wasn't even a good answer.

 

[Walilamdzi]

@GeorgeJL Bit cryptic.

 

[Mbound]

My heart goes out to the family, and I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd probably feel exactly the same way they did/do. I would be incredibly angry seeing this as the last place my child visited and seeing people not encouraging her to keep going, and this seems like a perfect target for blame.

But I would hope once things settled they'd realize something:

this site is a needle in a haystack when you search "suicide" on google. 99% of the websites out there have sui hotline numbers all over them, and are strictly pro-life. Their loved one had access to all of these, their loved one undoubtedly came across these resources, many times. I have all the chances I could possibly have to reach out right there in front of my face—there's a hundred different hotlines—I do not want to use them because I have no interest in involuntary commitment. Maybe if you want to take aim at a system, take aim at the one that doesn't allow people like us to truly express our feelings without being imprisoned.

The only thing this site has helped me with is feeling less alone, and knowing that if and when I truly do feel backed into a corner because of my life circumstances, there are ways to go peacefully. I would never encourage anyone who had even the slightest shred of doubt to ctb—in fact I would tell them to ride out that doubt for as long as humanly possible, give it another go, because this is such a permanent decision—but if it unfortunately comes to that and they are 110% sure, I wish them peace and safety in the decision they alone have made for themself. I hope that family finds peace one day without taking aim at innocent bystanders who are also "victims", by their own definition.

 

[21Neberg]

My heart goes out to the family, and I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd probably feel exactly the same way they did/do. I would be incredibly angry seeing this as the last place my child visited and seeing people not encouraging her to keep going, and this seems like a perfect target for blame.

But I would hope once things settled they'd realize something:

this site is a needle in a haystack when you search "suicide" on google. 99% of the websites out there have sui hotline numbers all over them, and are strictly pro-life. Their loved one had access to all of these, their loved one undoubtedly came across these resources, many times. I have all the chances I could possibly have to reach out right there in front of my face—there's a hundred different hotlines—I do not want to use them because I have no interest in involuntary commitment. Maybe if you want to take aim at a system, take aim at the one that doesn't allow people like us to truly express our feelings without being imprisoned.

The only thing this site has helped me with is feeling less alone, and knowing that if and when I truly do feel backed into a corner because of my life circumstances, there are ways to go peacefully. I would never encourage anyone who had even the slightest shred of doubt to ctb—in fact I would tell them to ride out that doubt for as long as humanly possible, give it another go, because this is such a permanent decision—but if it unfortunately comes to that and they are 110% sure, I wish them peace and safety in the decision they alone have made for themself. I hope that family finds peace one day without taking aim at innocent bystanders who are also "victims", by their own definition.

You're speaking the truth. This forum is one of the few places where we can talk to like-minded people going through the same issues. Taking this site down would only cause us more suffering.

 

[Mbound]

You're speaking the truth. This forum is one of the few places where we can talk to like-minded people going through the same issues. Taking this site down would only cause us more suffering.

Makes me think I'll have to make it clear in my note that the very last thing I would have wanted is for them to take aim at this site—I release everyone here from any responsibility in my decisions. Encountered nothing but kindness and understanding here, and like I said if they want something to "fight" in honor of me it can be involuntary commitment.

 

[21Neberg]

Makes me think I'll have to make it clear in my note that the very last thing I would have wanted is for them to take aim at this site—I release everyone here from any responsibility in my decisions. Encountered nothing but kindness and understanding here, and like I said if they want something to "fight" in honor of me it can be involuntary commitment.

The site really is just great - but you'd be better off clearing this site from your browser history instead. That way, your family won't even know about the existance of this site at all.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Could you please offer a hint (or three) regarding what the information is about?

I will reveal what happened probably in a few days.

 

[Mbound]

The site really is just great - but you'd be better off clearing this site from your browser history instead. That way, your family won't even know about the existance of this site at all.

I'm planning on destroying my tech products before I do anything. I have a dim view of real privacy though, especially once a person is gone.

 

[ManWithNoName]

FI agree. Talking about God and Jesus after someones suicide is a bold move anyway. As I said, that's how pro-lifers interact with suicidal people though - even after their death: empty platitudes.

Last year a friend committed suicide. The preacher who arranged and organized the funeral was a young guy, and this happened down south. He said a couple of nice things about my friend, but spent the vast majority of the time to talk all about "Jay-sus" this and "Jay-sus" that, and "Jay-sus" is there for you etc, etc, adnauseum.

A lot of folks will use a tragedy to get up on their fucking soap box.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I feel bad for the parents but I don't like that they are indirectly blaming this forum. We didn't create the circumstances that led to her suicide. That's not our fault. This forum simply provides resources and information for people who decide to leave because they are struggling - and people have every right to do that if they don't want to stay alive anymore, for whatever reasons. And there is nothing wrong with that. And we provide support and honest advise for those people as well, if they need some. That's the reason why we're in this forum. We're tired of empty platitudes. We're tired of people telling us that 'things will get better' and we should just 'buckle up'. I fully support this place. This forum is great and we need a place like this.

And I don't mean to insult anyone but if my own child took their own life, I'd start to look for blame in myself first. Not in a forum.

Grief is a terrible and mighty thing. Having too much experience in this realm I must say that anger is one of the first emotions that comes to light after the loss of a loved one. People lash out at the world, and with suicide especially, one often needs to find an outlet for feelings of guilt. What the family has done is unfortunately both normal and expected. There is NO privacy in society anymore...none.

 

[Johnnythefox]

"Jay-sus" this and "Jay-sus" that, and "Jay-sus"

This is when @Taylor is needed.

 

[Dead beat dad]

We are not responsible for those who choose to end their own life.
We did not bring them here and I would bet green money this site has saved more lives than we will know.
We are a group of kind, caring and understanding people.
To know you are not alone in the darkness offers a sense of peace and hope that those outside this disposition will never know.
Mental illness, addiction, depression, abuse, debt, bereavement and a plethora of other factors impact why people CTB NOT the discussions on this website.
I am so sad for any life lost, honestly and sincerely.
Question for people taking pot shots at us might be for anyone finding out their loved had been using this site prior to CTB would be why did they feel the need to come here in the first place and where did you fit in to that?
Love and respect to all, and the only thing that will beat hate is love.
DBD

 

[Mbound]

We are not responsible for those who choose to end their own life.
We did not bring them here and I would bet green money this site has saved more lives than we will know.
We are a group of kind, caring and understanding people.
To know you are not alone in the darkness offers a sense of peace and hope that those outside this disposition will never know.
Mental illness, addiction, depression, abuse, debt, bereavement and a plethora of other factors impact why people CTB NOT the discussions on this website.
I am so sad for any life lost, honestly and sincerely.
Question for people taking pot shots at us might be for anyone finding out their loved had been using this site prior to CTB would be why did they feel the need to come here in the first place and where did you fit in to that?
Love and respect to all, and the only thing that will beat hate is love.
DBD

So much outrage she chose to end her pain and that there are others looking to do the same, very little outrage that she was experiencing pain so severe for a long enough period of time that she'd do something so drastic. Herein lies why this site exists.