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How a person behaves is way more important than how they look. Now I'm not talking high school, because teenagers are naturally narcissistic little psychopaths. But adulthood is a different game entirely. Other things start to matter—how decent and kind you are, for one thing.
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What they believe is most likely the product of distorted thinking, etc. A person is rejected, they then think they're hideous, and so the spiral goes. Looks do matter in terms what someone finds attractive, but not nearly the way it's made to sound. It's been my experience that some ppl make themselves unattractive when they start talking and behaving like idiots.
How a person behaves is way more important than how they look. Now I'm not talking high school, because teenagers are naturally narcissistic little psychopaths. But adulthood is a different game entirely. Other things start to matter—how decent and kind you are, for one thing.
I mostly agree but there are plenty of horrible people who still have relationships. Being a decent person can't possibly be the only internal metric that determines the chances of someone getting into a relationship. Look at all the skeevy pickup artists, corrupt politicians, or other abusive people in the world who even have relationships themselves. There's no shortage of unkind people like these who are definitely able to easily get into relationships (although they might have to use other aspects of power and wealth to maintain these relationships).
Perhaps the major factor that actually determines the ability for men to get into relationships with women would be initiative. Good men will always have initiative. Being a terrible person alone is unfortunately not enough to disqualify some of the worst people from relationships but if anybody with a rotten mind is unable to go the extra mile to be even worse of a person and deceive someone else only THEN are they a true incel or something like that. Who knows. Petition to change incels into Ininits??? Nah.
As I'm sure has been made clear already, I am ugly both inside and out. Hence why the incel label fits perfectly like a glove for me and why I long for my death because of it.
Don't you know in the scientific community that personal anecdotes are never meant to represent the whole. For every "ugly" person with a partner you present I can present you with another ugly person that suffered and was lonely their whole lives. You don't know how bad I have it again respect my issues please as I respect yours
How a person behaves is way more important than how they look. Now I'm not talking high school, because teenagers are naturally narcissistic little psychopaths. But adulthood is a different game entirely. Other things start to matter—how decent and kind you are, for one thing.
Don't you know in the scientific community that personal anecdotes are never meant to represent the whole. For every "ugly" person with a partner you present I can present you with another ugly person that suffered and was lonely their whole lives. You don't know how bad I have it again respect my issues please as I respect yours
Again not doing this I know what I've experienced I have my beliefs. My looks are my main problem period I've experienced enough to know this
I feel bad for incels. They definitely get more hate than they deserve. And it's seemingly everyone, from the "toxic masculinity" dripping Alpha males to the ultra-feminists and everywhere in between. Even the incels who are genuinely just balls of spite and self-absorption are often better people than the ones dumping on them to be honest.
I don't really identify as one though. More like semi-voluntarily mostly-celibate in my case.
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Wanted to add how rude and ignorant it is to gatekeep and downplay someone else's problems on a suicide forum no empathy ever shown to incels what a frustrating and hopeless fight this is. The never ending ostracism and gas lighting is disgusting
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Pretty much describes myself (SVMC). I don't feel particularly sorry for in-cels, but I understand some of their psychology because it overlaps with my own: brooding anger and bitterness, psychological impotence, social difficulty, etc... I just wish they could find something else to do with their time, but that's difficult advice to implement for anyone with mental issues (and I suspect most of them have at least some).
To reiterate what WhiteRabbit stated earlier though, I doubt that looks has everything to do with it. I've seen many attractive women with average-looking or below average men--I myself was relatively good-looking (reliable source, right?) in my 20s, but this did not help me overcome my social issues and anxiety.
It's not the only reason but yeah, not so much sex but more so romantic affection. I wish I could experience that part of life too. No one really wants to have anything to do with me even friends. It's obvious I am a "low value" person and it makes me feel awful. I also want to feel special, wanted, loved, interested in.
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These are just a few I have a lot more than this. These are not from some tabloids as well these are respected scientific institutions
Wanted to add how rude and ignorant it is to gatekeep and downplay someone else's problems on a suicide forum no empathy ever shown to incels what a frustrating and hopeless fight this is. The never ending ostracism and gas lighting is disgusting
It's absurd to think that only looks matter, if you really unnatractive then lower your expectations, or work on yourself like going to the gym. Incels seems think that ugly people don't get partners, just look around you, there's more unnatractive people than attractive ones, and they get laid. If you don't want to better yourself or lower expectations than there's always sex workers who do the deed. In my opinion it's a dumb reason to be depressed or suicidal over it.
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nothing makes me more embarrassed to be a young man dealing with mental health than seeing the majority of threads like this just being other young men saying how the route of their depression is not getting laid. never about intricate and complex emotional issues regarding companionship, friendship, feeling lonely but always leading with the fact they are "involuntary celibate". society is fucking cursed man wrap it up.
Sorry I don't get why you have to shit on their problems? Men are literally biologically hardwired to have sex, if they can't, they are often going to feel extremely dysphoric.
I've seen you post about how you feel your life is really bad because a relationship ended, and I don't see how being upset over no sex is any less valid than being upset over a break up.
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Sorry I don't get why you have to shit on their problems? Men are literally biologically hardwired to have sex, if they can't, they are often going to feel extremely dysphoric.
I've seen you post about how you feel your life is really bad because a relationship ended, and I don't see how being upset over no sex is any less valid than being upset over a break up.
Like being in a desert and dehydrating, when you see a buddy out there running out of water in a place of abundance of water but still complaining about it.
There's plenty of fish out the see, but for some people, the fish just won't go to them. That's why I've never been a fan of fishing, as I dealt with having to face my grandfather's disappointment. Just like relationships, and not just that, but life itself.
You're either lucky, or you aren't… So, why can't they admit it…
Like being in a desert and dehydrating, when you see a buddy out there running out of water in a place of abundance of water but still complaining about it.
There's plenty of fish out the see, but for some people, the fish just won't go to them. That's why I've never been a fan of fishing, as I dealt with having to face my grandfather's disappointment. Just like relationships, and not just that, but life itself.
You're either lucky, or you aren't… So, why can't they admit it…
Exactly, people who go in and out of relationships and sex telling single people who can't get laid to get over it sounds like rich people telling poor people to stop complaining about being poor.
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Exactly, people who go in and out of relationships and sex telling single people who can't get laid to get over it sounds like rich people telling poor people to stop complaining about being poor.
I've seen you post about how you feel your life is really bad because a relationship ended, and I don't see how being upset over no sex is any less valid than being upset over a break up.
Tbf he's right and you're wrong, you talk about being "hardwired" as if to deny a man sex is akin to denying him water or oxygen, again suggesting that there is no suffering quite like that of men who don't get sex when tbqh the sense of grief, loss, sorrow and emptiness which comes after the separation from a loved one is not something which can be drawn in parralel in this way. In fact I'd say that drawing this comparison as an equal is to actually diminish that grief somewhat, l know incels are very sensitive towards "invalidating comments" and as such it would do you no harm to be respectful of the fact that other people have problems which cannot be measured against not having sex.
No it really isn't. This thread has seen a significant propelling of the suffering, persecution and the overall claim to victim status of men who don't get sex above pretty much anybody else, comparing your predicament to that of a paraplegic is a bit off imo.
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Tbf he's right and you're wrong, you talk about being "hardwired" as if to deny a man sex is akin to denying him water or oxygen, again suggesting that there is no suffering quite like that of men who don't get sex when tbqh the sense of grief, loss, sorrow and emptiness which comes after the separation from a loved one is not something which can be drawn in parralel in this way. In fact I'd say that drawing this comparison as an equal is to actually diminish that grief somewhat, l know incels are very sensitive towards "invalidating comments" and as such it would do you no harm to be respectful of the fact that other people have problems which cannot be measured against not having sex.
No it really isn't. This thread has seen a significant propelling of the suffering, persecution and the overall claim to victim status of men who don't get sex above pretty much anybody else, comparing your predicament to that of a paraplegic is a bit off imo.
Tbf he's right and you're wrong, you talk about being "hardwired" as if to deny a man sex is akin to denying him water or oxygen, again suggesting that there is no suffering quite like that of men who don't get sex when tbqh the sense of grief, loss, sorrow and emptiness which comes after the separation from a loved one is not something which can be drawn in parralel in this way. In fact I'd say that drawing this comparison as an equal is to actually diminish that grief somewhat, l know incels are very sensitive towards "invalidating comments" and as such it would do you no harm to be respectful of the fact that other people have problems which cannot be measured against not having sex.
No it really isn't. This thread has seen a significant propelling of the suffering, persecution and the overall claim to victim status of men who don't get sex above pretty much anybody else, comparing your predicament to that of a paraplegic is a bit off imo.
Please note that you're the one comparing and weighing different types of grief, I did no such thing. I said both types are valid. I don't think making a contest out of it and trivialising incels' issues as less important is helpful.
I should point out I've had sex multiple times, but still recognise the privilege I've had compared to those who haven't had it.
I should also point out that as far as I'm aware, this site was created by incels, so we have them to thank for that. I think the fact they created it is quite telling as to how much incels suffer.
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I should also point out that as far as I'm aware, this site was created by incels, so we have them to thank for that. I think the fact they created it is quite telling as to how much incels suffer.
Wtaf is this, honestly. Since when has it been incumbent upon the users of an online forum to subscribe to the views of the forum administrators and to express gratitude towards whichever socio-political movements they identify with?
Wtaf is this, honestly. Since when has it been incumbent upon the users of an online forum to subscribe to the views of the forum administrators and to express gratitude towards whichever socio-political movements they identify with?
Well if it wasn't for incels being so suicidal (something you see as trivial or absurd) this forum probably wouldn't exist So yeah, maybe just maybe those suicidal incels aren't just being attention seekers and actually want to die, and their suffering is valid
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You know who really suffers? People who picked the right lottery numbers, but failed to buy their ticket on time. there's no consoling those folks. Worse still is the fact that they know a winning lottery ticket will get you laid.. That night. You just have to show a copy of the winning ticket, and boom. Doesn't even have to be a person--studies have shown dogs find lottery winners more attractive. Cats not so much--but everyone knows they're the psychopaths of the animal kingdom...
You know who really suffers? People who picked the right lottery numbers, but failed to buy their ticket on time. there's no consoling those folks. Worse still is the fact that they know a winning lottery ticket will get you laid.. That night. You just have to show a copy of the winning ticket, and boom. Doesn't even have to be a person--studies have shown dogs find lottery winners more attractive. Cats not so much--but everyone knows they're the psychopaths of the animal kingdom...
Well if it wasn't for incels being so suicidal (something you see as trivial or absurd) this forum probably wouldn't exist So yeah, maybe just maybe those suicidal incels aren't just being attention seekers and actually want to die, and their suffering is valid
If it wasn't for the Nazis we wouldn't have the helicopter, this is why we should all feel compelled to sieg heil when we're being transported to hospital via air ambulance.
This world is so cruel
Ugly naive female here. Despite having some semblance of interaction with men. All my experiences have been HORRIBLE because I was delusional and naive.
I knew my position yet I always showed desperation for connection and got my ass handed to me. I was destined to CTB anyway even if I remained virgin until 30.
What upsets me is the fact I was used that makes me afraid to leave the house. On top of that I truly think peaceful methods should be available to anyone that wants it that is deemed unattractive and therefore subjected to abuse and torture in society.
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If it wasn't for the Nazis we wouldn't have the helicopter, this is why we should all feel compelled to sieg heil when we're being transported to hospital via air ambulance.
Also if it wasn't for the Nazis you wouldn't have been able to use them in this post as the perfect thing to compare incels to. One small nitpick though , Incels are probably even worse since the number of people they supposedly hate outnumbers the total population of people Nazis would hate. That's why I think it's okay to declare open season on the incels and make sure they know their place as rotten scum.
I have quite a lot of things to say, but I don't have time to engage in these conversations. Only thing I'll say is, all you people actually need is to get a good psychiatrist and touch some grass. Internet is such an echo chamber sometimes.
It's not the only reason but yeah, not so much sex but more so romantic affection. I wish I could experience that part of life too. No one really wants to have anything to do with me even friends. It's obvious I am a "low value" person and it makes me feel awful. I also want to feel special, wanted, loved, interested in.
I have quite a lot of things to say, but I don't have time to engage in these conversations. Only thing I'll say is, all you people actually need is to get a good psychiatrist and touch some grass. Internet is such an echo chamber sometimes.
Also if it wasn't for the Nazis you wouldn't have been able to use them in this post as the perfect thing to compare incels to. One small nitpick though , Incels are probably even worse since the number of people they supposedly hate outnumbers the total population of people Nazis would hate. That's why I think it's okay to declare open season on the incels and make sure they know their place as rotten scum.
Again, l did not compare incels to nazis, nazis were used to illustrate the very obvious point that you don't need to subscribe to the ideology espoused by people because they created something you use. Nobody who uses this site should be made to feel as if they should express gratitude to incels by extension. This is such an unambiguously correct position I'm frankly impressed that you can somehow spin it into a further incoherent copypaste narrative of persecution.
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