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Jon Woodward, a journalist, released a story today with the headline: 'Don't care,' says pro-suicide website linked to Kenneth Law of Canada's Online Harms Act without sharing any of the context around the statement
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I mostly agree but there are plenty of horrible people who still have relationships. Being a decent person can't possibly be the only internal metric that determines the chances of someone getting into a relationship. Look at all the skeevy pickup artists, corrupt politicians, or other abusive people in the world who even have relationships themselves. There's no shortage of unkind people like these who are definitely able to easily get into relationships (although they might have to use other aspects of power and wealth to maintain these relationships).
Don't you know in the scientific community that personal anecdotes are never meant to represent the whole. For every "ugly" person with a partner you present I can present you with another ugly person that suffered and was lonely their whole lives. You don't know how bad I have it again respect my issues please as I respect yours
Again not doing this I know what I've experienced I have my beliefs. My looks are my main problem period I've experienced enough to know this
Agreed. I think this is a huge factor.
Ok, where is your scientific research on this subject?
From the National Institutes of Health looks being the most important factor in attraction https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19558447/
Wanted to add how rude and ignorant it is to gatekeep and downplay someone else's problems on a suicide forum no empathy ever shown to incels what a frustrating and hopeless fight this is. The never ending ostracism and gas lighting is disgusting
Pretty much describes myself (SVMC). I don't feel particularly sorry for in-cels, but I understand some of their psychology because it overlaps with my own: brooding anger and bitterness, psychological impotence, social difficulty, etc... I just wish they could find something else to do with their time, but that's difficult advice to implement for anyone with mental issues (and I suspect most of them have at least some).
This is quite telling, ngl.
It's absurd to think that only looks matter, if you really unnatractive then lower your expectations, or work on yourself like going to the gym. Incels seems think that ugly people don't get partners, just look around you, there's more unnatractive people than attractive ones, and they get laid. If you don't want to better yourself or lower expectations than there's always sex workers who do the deed. In my opinion it's a dumb reason to be depressed or suicidal over it.
Sorry I don't get why you have to shit on their problems? Men are literally biologically hardwired to have sex, if they can't, they are often going to feel extremely dysphoric.
Like being in a desert and dehydrating, when you see a buddy out there running out of water in a place of abundance of water but still complaining about it.
Exactly, people who go in and out of relationships and sex telling single people who can't get laid to get over it sounds like rich people telling poor people to stop complaining about being poor.
Or an abled person telling a paraplegic to walk...
No it really isn't. This thread has seen a significant propelling of the suffering, persecution and the overall claim to victim status of men who don't get sex above pretty much anybody else, comparing your predicament to that of a paraplegic is a bit off imo.
God, this logical evisceration is always so emotionally satisfying to read.
Please note that you're the one comparing and weighing different types of grief, I did no such thing. I said both types are valid. I don't think making a contest out of it and trivialising incels' issues as less important is helpful.
Wtaf is this, honestly. Since when has it been incumbent upon the users of an online forum to subscribe to the views of the forum administrators and to express gratitude towards whichever socio-political movements they identify with?
Well if it wasn't for incels being so suicidal (something you see as trivial or absurd) this forum probably wouldn't exist
So yeah, maybe just maybe those suicidal incels aren't just being attention seekers and actually want to die, and their suffering is valid
If it wasn't for the Nazis we wouldn't have the helicopter, this is why we should all feel compelled to sieg heil when we're being transported to hospital via air ambulance.Well if it wasn't for incels being so suicidal (something you see as trivial or absurd) this forum probably wouldn't exist
Also if it wasn't for the Nazis you wouldn't have been able to use them in this post as the perfect thing to compare incels to. One small nitpick though , Incels are probably even worse since the number of people they supposedly hate outnumbers the total population of people Nazis would hate. That's why I think it's okay to declare open season on the incels and make sure they know their place as rotten scum.
Where are you from? That's a familiar name
I'm allergic to grass and therapy has already proven useless in my case.
Again, l did not compare incels to nazis, nazis were used to illustrate the very obvious point that you don't need to subscribe to the ideology espoused by people because they created something you use. Nobody who uses this site should be made to feel as if they should express gratitude to incels by extension. This is such an unambiguously correct position I'm frankly impressed that you can somehow spin it into a further incoherent copypaste narrative of persecution.
