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Aren

Aren

Member
Jun 15, 2026
87
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Yes, thank you for checking. But I'm still in a pain too strong, fighting everydays to see one light and everydays the bridge and the jump too. For now last day i focus myself on little good news and dream about our dreams and i hope one day i will see her again even if i need to join death if i have no more energy to keep pushing or if i end our last dream then death will only remain and i can finally join her.
To ensure escape if needed I try to train my body and my brain to accept the act of jump and fall as a non danger. I only can do it in my mind and with little hight but i close my eyes and i see the bridge and the fall when i was over there. I keep training because my life is currently holding to almost nothing... And the people who put pressure on me since my girlfriend died keep doing it everyday... These people were friend and family before... It's hard to walk with all these losses.
 
StarryEyed

StarryEyed

PMs aren't my thing
Mar 14, 2024
229
Salut Aren.

Merci pour tes gentils encouragements concernant l'Espagne à la FIFA. Encourager les autres malgré la défaite est la marque d'un vrai gentleman. Merci aussi pour ta compassion face à ma crise familiale. Je crois que la compassion envers autrui, même lorsqu'on souffre soi-même, est un signe de grande bonté. C'est une crise grave dont j'ignore si elle peut être résolue, et je suis très inquiet des conséquences d'une inaction, notamment la possibilité de perdre mon appartement. Pour en revenir à toi…

Tu sais peut-être déjà, grâce à ton thérapeute, que les personnes ayant des antécédents de stress post-traumatique (SSPT) et subissant un autre traumatisme grave présentent une réaction de SSPT extrêmement forte. C'est comme si le corps et l'esprit étaient déjà mal préparés à réagir aux traumatismes, ce qui provoque une réaction de SSPT exacerbée lors d'une nouvelle activation. J'espère que toi et ton thérapeute suivez une thérapie pour les traumatismes. Il existe aujourd'hui de nombreuses solutions efficaces dans ce domaine. As-tu des outils à utiliser ? J'en ai beaucoup si tu veux en parler.

À mon avis, lorsque nous avons des pensées suicidaires, deux parties de nous-mêmes sont en conflit car elles poursuivent des objectifs opposés. En d'autres termes, le désir de mourir est en quelque sorte l'inverse du désir de vivre. Nous en parlons souvent sur ce forum, notamment dans cette discussion. La seule solution est donc soit de laisser l'une des deux parties l'emporter, soit de trouver un compromis. Pour ce faire, il est essentiel d'avoir une idée très claire des raisons pour lesquelles vous souhaitez vivre et de celles pour lesquelles vous souhaitez mourir. C'est la première étape de la définition de vos motivations : identifier clairement un mantra pour la partie de vous qui souhaite mourir, et de même, un mantra pour la partie qui souhaite vivre. D'après ce que vous avez dit, je crois que votre désir de mourir est plus fort que votre désir de vivre. Et tant que vous n'aurez pas de raison claire de vivre, vous choisirez probablement de mourir, à mon avis.

Le philosophe Friedrich Nietzsche a dit : « Celui qui a un pourquoi vivre peut supporter presque n'importe quel comment », ce qui signifie que si vous trouvez une bonne raison de vivre, vous pouvez endurer presque n'importe quelle souffrance.

Comme beaucoup, j'ai découvert deux vérités dans ma vie. La première, c'est que la souffrance fait partie intégrante de l'existence. Apprendre à la gérer est donc une nécessité. Une fois cette gestion acquise, le monde devient bien plus facile à appréhender. La seconde vérité, c'est que tout ce qui mérite d'être défendu exige généralement beaucoup de temps et d'efforts, ce qui implique une grande patience. Cultiver la patience transforme radicalement le monde et nous permet de mieux gérer les choses. Mais dans un monde où tout est instantané, l'idée d'endurer la souffrance et d'apprendre la patience semble déconnectée de la réalité.

Tout cela paraît très théorique, et ça l'est. Mais vu les films qui vous intéressent, je pense que cela pourrait vous plaire. Si nous commençons à vous donner les clés pour affronter cette épreuve, vous comprendrez peut-être que c'est pertinent et que ça vaut le coup d'essayer. La première étape consiste donc à définir un objectif ou un mantra pour la mort, ainsi qu'un objectif ou un mantra pour la vie. Essayez de formuler ces mantras de façon simple, claire et sincère, en moins de 10 mots.

D'après ce que vous avez dit, j'ai plusieurs idées pour transformer votre chambre, actuellement source de souffrance, en un havre de paix, voire en une source d'inspiration. Seriez-vous intéressé(e) par l'exploration de cette possibilité ?

Je vous laisse avec une chanson qui me fait penser à vous et à votre petite amie : « La Vie en Rose » d'Edith Pilaf. Saviez-vous qu'en anglais, lorsqu'on est amoureux, on dit qu'on voit le monde à travers des lunettes roses ? Je me demande si cette expression vient de cette chanson, qui signifie littéralement « voir le monde en rose ». Je vous proposerai d'abord une version française de Lady Gaga, puis une version anglaise de Louis Armstrong. La perte de votre petite amie a fait tomber vos lunettes roses, changeant ainsi votre vision du monde et de vous-même. Je pense donc que la meilleure solution est de trouver de nouvelles perspectives, de nouvelles lunettes. C'est ce que j'essaie de vous faire comprendre. Les perspectives sont soumises à un phénomène biologique appelé neuroplasticité. On pourrait peut-être en reparler une autre fois ? Pour l'instant…

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Hi Aren.

Thank you for your kind encouragement re Spain in FIFA. Encouragement in the face of defeat is the sign of a true gentleman. Thank you also for your compassion regarding my family crisis. I believe compassion for others when you are drowning in pain yourself is the sign of a good heart. It's a serious crisis that I don't know can be resolved and I'm very worried about the ramifications of not working things out, including possibly losing my apartment. Back to you...

You might already know from your therapist that people who have a history of PTSD and then have another serious trauma have a very, very strong PTSD reaction. It is like the body and mind are already badly trained to respond to trauma, so it goes into hyper PTSD response when activated again. I hope you and your therapist are doing some trauma therapy. There is a huge amount of help these days in trauma therapy. Do you have any tools? I have a ton of tools if you want to talk about them.


The way I see it is when we are suicidal, there are two parts of ourselves that are at war with each other because they have opposite goals. What I mean is in a way, a goal of death is the opposite goal of life. We talk about that a lot here on the forum, including in this thread. So the only solution is to either let one part win or find a compromise between the two parts. In order to find a compromise between the two parts, you need to have a very clear idea of why you want to live and why you want to die. So that is the first part of Step 1 in defining your fuel - clearly determine a mantra for the part of you who wants to die and likewise clearly determine a mantra for the part of you who wants to live. Based on what you have said, I believe you have a clearer idea for dying than for living. And until you have a clear reason to live, you will likely choose to die, in my opinion.

The philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche said, "He who has a why to live can bear almost any how", meaning if you can find a good reason to live, you can endure almost any suffering.

Like many people, I have found two truths in my life. One is that suffering is part of living. So one of the necessities of living is to learn how to manage suffering. Once we learn how to manage suffering, the world changes dramatically as being much more manageable. The other truth in my life is that anything worth fighting for typically requires a lot of time and effort, which means in order to fight we need a lot of patience. Once we learn patience, the world changes dramatically as being much more manageable. But in a world of instant gratification, the idea of enduring suffering and learning how to be patient, well, it's not a good fit in this world.

This all sounds very theoretical, and it is. But based on the types of movies you have said you're interested in, I suspect this just might interest you. Maybe if we can get started on setting up your fuel for battle you will start to believe that this makes sense and be worth a shot. So the first step is to try to come up with a goal or a mantra for the direction of death, as well as a goal or mantra for the direction of life. Try to make these mantras simple, clear and honest, and in less than 10 words.

Based on what you have said, I have a lot of ideas of how to change your bedroom from one of your worst sources of pain, to a safe place, and maybe even a source of fuel. Would you be interested in exploring that possibility?


I will leave you with a song that makes me think of you and your girlfriend, Edith Pilaf's La Vie En Rose. Did you know that in English when we are in love, we say we see the world through rose-coloured glasses. I wonder if the origins come from this song, which translates into seeing the world in pink. I will first post a version by Lady Gaga in French, followed by a version in English by Louis Armstrong. Losing your girlfriend has torn off your rose-coloured glasses, which has changed your perspective of the world and yourself. So I think the best approach is for you to find yourself new perspectives - new glasses. That's what I'm going on about. Perspectives are subject to the phenomenon in biology called neuroplasticity. Maybe we can talk more about that another time? For now...



 
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wisdom

Member
Jul 16, 2026
43
Yes, thank you for checking. But I'm still in a pain too strong, fighting everydays to see one light and everydays the bridge and the jump too. For now last day i focus myself on little good news and dream about our dreams and i hope one day i will see her again even if i need to join death if i have no more energy to keep pushing or if i end our last dream then death will only remain and i can finally join her.
To ensure escape if needed I try to train my body and my brain to accept the act of jump and fall as a non danger. I only can do it in my mind and with little hight but i close my eyes and i see the bridge and the fall when i was over there. I keep training because my life is currently holding to almost nothing... And the people who put pressure on me since my girlfriend died keep doing it everyday... These people were friend and family before... It's hard to walk with all these losses.
I'm glad that you are still with us. I'm sure that if she was here she would want you to keep going. After I failed to CTB the last time I have been recoverying and I'm glad that It didn't work and that I had another chance. Sometimes everything you need is another chance. Wish you the best luck and hope everything gets better for you
 

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