Method Why is everyone scared of the “train” method?

[niiina]

There are no trains or metro where I live, but I know a guy that was hit by a bus (unintentionally) and lost one leg. I already have a missing limb, if there were trains I wouldn't risk the other ones in this Russian roulette

 

[Someone123]

My best friend from my teenage days Put his neck on the track. Beheaded him cleanly. I wish I wasn't chasing pussy back then, maybe I could have somehow saved him.

With the majority of trains these days they have something over the rails to push away debris so that this will not work, though I don't think this is true of all trains.

 

[It'sMyLife]

I came across this doing my own research but not on this method. It's long but I skimmed through it and it was interesting. I thought of this thread when I saw it. Hopefully you can get something out of it

First-person accounts of the processes and planning involved in a suicide attempt on the railway | BJPsych Open | Cambridge Core

First-person accounts of the processes and planning involved in a suicide attempt on the railway - Volume 7 Issue 1

www.cambridge.org

 

[Someone123]

I came across this doing my own research but not on this method. It's long but I skimmed through it and it was interesting. I thought of this thread when I saw it. Hopefully you can get something out of it

First-person accounts of the processes and planning involved in a suicide attempt on the railway | BJPsych Open | Cambridge Core

First-person accounts of the processes and planning involved in a suicide attempt on the railway - Volume 7 Issue 1

www.cambridge.org

Thanks fo0r sharing this, but when you dig into the details it's not a well done study- for example, under Lethality, it says that it was thought to be a highly lethal method, and in another spot a person speculates that it is nearly 100% fatyal. These are people's opinions, and they are actually not correct. Real world data syggests that it is more like 70% lethal. AFter skimming it twice I could not find out what happened to these survivors, but of course the study could not include those who were brain damaged by their attempts. It looks scientific on the surface but when you dig into this "study" further it is disorganized and not helpful in understanding this method. Maybe there are better studies on this mwethod somewhere. It seems like a D- paper written by a freshman, honestly, not scientifically rigorous at all- hopefully we can find better studies on this subject.

 

[TheBlackSwordsman]

It's not just the train conductor. Consider:

The passengers
The people waiting at the station
The other train employees
Any cops who show up on the scene
The paramedics who will have to clean up the mess

You could easily be looking at 50 or more individuals.

Then you still have to worry about failure but losing limbs. Remember reading a comment from a young woman who lost one of her legs. I promised myself if I mustered enough balls to ctb, I'd do the research to figure out most effective methods. I don't want to fail and be damaged. That would only make a bad situation even worse.

 

[IwanttodieASAP]

Yeah this is a hard one for me, because I wish I could bring myself to do this one. I think the sound and the felling of the ground shaking and the horn would be too much. I want to feel bad for the driver and I do, but I also know they deal with it all the time. Not that I am saying torture them more, but it is in the job title essentially. I wish it was not for them, but even if I choose not to hurt them, someone else will. A matter of when not if.

 

[phantomisgone]

I'm afraid of it because when LiveLeak was still a thing, I saw people who lived through it with opened guts, broken limbs, and just in agony. I don't think that it's a peaceful way to go.

 

[Cantbereal]

Best option for train is always lay neck on the track, but it takes a lot to lay there and wait for it. Body across the tracks or standing on tracks can leave room for error, but neck on track should be fairly certain

So where is your body? Off the track?

 

[Amccorm2]

**WARNING GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION**

Personal experience here, I was once first on scene where a guy had jumped in front of a train that was pulling into a station.

He went under but due to the low speed of the train did not end up being projected everywhere. This poor individual ended up wrapped and tangled up in the trains axles and undercarriage.

He was still conscious but I'm fairly sure most bones in his body were broken. Due to this, his skin had behaved more like elastic and had stretched and wrapped around various parts of the train. Unfortunately this is what was keeping the poor guy alive as blood loss was very slow.

The paramedics could only give the guy massive amounts of morphine or whatever it was that they gave him. He stayed like that for 3 hours until eventually blood loss took its toll. The police would not let paramedics or the fire brigade try to recover him whilst still alive because to do so would result in the guy passing.

I'm not going to lie, it was fucking horrific to be there. I can't even imagine how the guy must have felt.

 

[aladdin]

Because it's barbaric and stupid. It shouldn't even be an option.

 

[deathisnear]

So where is your body? Off the track?

Yes, the neck across the rail and the head would be inside the rail but the body would be off the track. Essentially decapitation

 

[Quinlor]

 

[m00nlyte]

It's exactly the same reason why homo sapiens need to legalise euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Fast: yes
Painless: not sure
Peaceful: no

Yes..

 

[👁️👃👁️]

It takes approximately 46 seconds for a train to come to a complete stop. But I assume that we're not trying to give the conductor ptsd?

If the train conductor didn't want PTSD then maybe they shouldn't have chosen that job to begin with. They know that they are in for. I'm sure train conductors have seen many of things die. Humans. Animals. Etc.

Do they know it's a possibility? Yes. Are they expecting it? No. Rationality and trauma do not go together, and one doesn't know how they will react to a situation until they experience it. Train drivers don't get paid enough to see this shit.

I mean.. if I were trying to become a train conductor I know in the back of my mind that it's a train and there's tracks and animals walk across it in humans kill themselves by laying on tracks. I would be expecting anything like that to happen at any given moment.

**WARNING GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION**

Personal experience here, I was once first on scene where a guy had jumped in front of a train that was pulling into a station.

He went under but due to the low speed of the train did not end up being projected everywhere. This poor individual ended up wrapped and tangled up in the trains axles and undercarriage.

He was still conscious but I'm fairly sure most bones in his body were broken. Due to this, his skin had behaved more like elastic and had stretched and wrapped around various parts of the train. Unfortunately this is what was keeping the poor guy alive as blood loss was very slow.

The paramedics could only give the guy massive amounts of morphine or whatever it was that they gave him. He stayed like that for 3 hours until eventually blood loss took its toll. The police would not let paramedics or the fire brigade try to recover him whilst still alive because to do so would result in the guy passing.

I'm not going to lie, it was fucking horrific to be there. I can't even imagine how the guy must have felt.

Holy.. are you a first responder?

 

[Worndown]

WHAT???
If you have a car, you should just expect someone to throw themselves in front if it?

This is the kind of behavior that allows people to call suicide selfish. How many innocent bystanders get to actively participate in your death? As many as needed as long as you succeed?

 

[Wannagonow]

The absolute biggest reason I would never use this method given any reasonable alternative is that it forcibly involves another human being against their will. That train conductor could easily be traumatized for life, avoidably, and on my hands. That's unjustifiable to me.

I like and agree with your comment "it forcibly involves another human being against their will". I couldn't knowingly allow someone to possibly feel they were the cause of my death. (I also know I could never lay there, hear the train coming and not jump up).

 

[punkarmadillo]

i was spotted and removed = sectioned for 12 months, just seen someone else also experienced similar, seen chased off tracks, hospitalized. Cameras everywhere it seems.

 

[Worndown]

Train is a bad idea for many reasons. This is just one more.

 

[OldDrummer]

There was a train driver here in Ireland who had someone throw himself under his train and die. After a couple of months rest and recoup, he went back on the job. Driving one day, a plastic bag hit the windscreen and he suffered an instant PTSB flashback that caused him to have a massive heart-attack.

Moral of the story? Don't involve others in your CTB action. It's almost as bad as death by cop.

Plus, Crime Scene techs will have to comb the area for bits of you for days. Although I planning SG myself, I'll do it next to/in a river or dock so that they won't have to carry that particular grim task out.

 

[Secret]

There is a railway across the road from my house. I've often thought about throwing myself in front of the train. However, I would be worried i would actually somehow survive - just with either no arms/legs or lying in a hospital bed with no option of doing anything. Also the train conductor, I would not want to do that to them.

I would hope it would be painless as possible, but there's that worry it might not be and I would somehow do it wrong, even though all you have to do is just go in front of it or lie on the tracks.

 

[webawl]

because either some jackass will try to "save" you and get credit for it or you'll survive and go to the hospital

 

[NGenIronFist]

The consequences of failing are horrifying. Besides, it's a very messy death.

 

[Lawliet]

i remember as a kid watching an oprah special where someone had laid down on train tracks trying to die and survived. their lower body was completely demolished. it was supposed to be inspirational but god it was not.

i don't want my death to make others think they were the cause. and i don't want someone's job to be to scrape me off the tracks

 

[Tired_only]

i admit, i'm fucked up like you, i would laugh my ass off seeing my body after being run over, but man, the train driver doesn't deserve this, he is gonna blame himself and wish over and over he could have done something else, seen you earlier, etc... And this man is gonna have PTSD, and believe he is the reason you died. And that is EVEN if he prepared. No matter how much support he got, no matter how ready or how it happens, they WILL feel guilty. I'm a suicidal maniac, but even me i refuse to make someone suffer so hard just for a painless death.

"Man"?? "he" why do people assume gender, and the defualt assumption is usually male. Im so sick of this world and people being ignorant. Its annoying af. Living in a world and society where ur constantly reminded that "male" is the default. Humans are a**holes.

 

[dkpmm]

I believe that's an excellent way to ctb, probabilly very effective and painless if done correctly. Just position yourself behind a bush when the train's about to come and rush to the railway a few seconds before it passes, placing your neck right onto it. I think the odds of surviving are very low.
But...you need to be quick and in an emotional condition of unbearable despair and gather strenght to turn your vision into action, which sometimes can occurr to us suicidals.
Anyways the struggle against survival instinct is gonna interfer pretty heavily, I guess.

 

[soolka]

i live very close to a train track and often fantasize about just laying down and let the train do its thing. but i feel really bad for the train driver and whoever has to pick me up from there

 

[ChildrensITV]

There was a user on here who lost their legs in a failed attempt.

Fuck. I am guessing that made them want to suicide even more but also made suicide harder?

 

[Das Nichts]

A colleague of mine was in a train where somebody ctb'd. He told me that you could feel the train was grinding through the body..
Upon leaving the train cart he could see some remains of the brain.

After all it's your decision. But it is not for me.

 

[ChildrensITV]

There are no trains or metro where I live, but I know a guy that was hit by a bus (unintentionally) and lost one leg. I already have a missing limb, if there were trains I wouldn't risk the other ones in this Russian roulette

If you don't mind, were you born with the limb missing or was it an accident? Is it upper or lower? Is it part of why you want to CTB? How hard is your life before vs now?

Surviving as a mangled pile of flesh without arms or legs is a realistic possibility.

It's not a matter of being scared. It's weighing the odds of greater disability.

"Man"?? "he" why do people assume gender, and the defualt assumption is usually male. Im so sick of this world and people being ignorant. Its annoying af. Living in a world and society where ur constantly reminded that "male" is the default. Humans are a**holes.

Women's Equality
Less than 7% of train drivers are women (February 2021), with 51% of the population identifying as female this is far from reflective of the communities that the railways serve.

Most people will assume a teacher or single parent is a woman. I don't think this is strictly due to sexism. No harm is meant by it. I don't mind if people assume I'm white when I'm not. It's not malicious.

 

[Ernest1964]

Obviously, you would be found almost immediately. The train would stop, Medical help would be called and IF there was any hope of saving you, they would try... so still not a guaranteed CTB.