Why are most people who CTB Atheists?

[motel rooms]

In fact, most scientists of the 21st century would attest to the existence of spirituality and an after-life if they were to be asked of their opinion on the matter.

It's so cool that you have access to the opinions of "most scientists of the 21st century"
All jokes aside, I honestly don't get why people like you also get suicidal. If the universe is truly such a magical place, why the hell are you considering ctb?

 

[GreenTree]

Fact. No one absolutely no one knows what happens when we die. Could be heaven could be hell could be fuck all. Beliefs are just that beliefs. Not fact.

 

[motel rooms]

Fact. No one absolutely no one knows what happens when we die.

Well, one could just observe a dead person for a week or two, but I suppose that "spiritual" people would find that too frightening. Why do that when you can so easily observe invisible spirits?

 

[Jemo_]

It's so cool that you have access to the opinions of "most scientists of the 21st century"
All jokes aside, I honestly don't get why people like you also get suicidal. If the universe is truly such a magical place, why the hell are you considering ctb?

I don't remember stating anywhere that the universe is a magical place. Kindly don't misread me. Being suicidal does not have any connection whatsoever with my beliefs of an afterlife. What makes me suicidal is what I'm going through now and not what lies after I die.
And that was just my opinion , you are entitled to your own champ.

 

[motel rooms]

I don't remember stating anywhere that the universe is a magical place. Kindly don't misread me.

You mentioned "miraculous healings", that sounds pretty magical to me

 

[demuic]

I don't give a shit whether you believe in atheism, theism, or agnosticism as long as you don't go to a 15 year old who list his family in an accident and yell "Fuck you! You'll never see them again!". That's bullying and mental abuse and fearmongering. It doesn't make the world a more positive, better place. And if you're religious you better notice and find it very odd and hot that God and Jesus don't have wives and instead just simp human men. They literally surround themselves with older human men the way I surround my body with a towel after shower.

*cough cough* That said. Religious people are almost always told by their group which says "God has plans for you. You must live. Suicide bad.". If from the moment you are born you are told by everyone around you "life=good", "death=bad", that's what you're usually gonna believe your whole life.

Atheists are often more likely to go their own way. A person who can think "I wanna think God doesn't exist" is a person who can think "I wanna think suicide is good".

I'm suffering from really bad mental fog. I wish I could have worded this better but I guess I need brain restoration for that.

PS: Why does everyone either claim to be a proud atheist or a proud theist but never and agnostic when the truth is that almost everyone is an agnostic who is unable to live every second of their life believing in one or the other?

PPS: Go watch the Buddha and Jesus anime! It's really nice! It's about Buddha and Jesus living in modern Japan and being best friends.

PPS: People should believe in what ever makes them happy. If atheism makes you happy, believe in it. If theism makes you happy, believe in it. But do it without hating gays or every person who believes in religions.

I was first a Christian, then an atheist. I felt immense freedom from being freed from the shackles of Christianity. I was happy for a while until I realized I had just traded one cult to another. I traded the shackles of Christianity for the shackles of atheism. I wanted a worldview that made me happy. So I created my own worldview instead of copypasting other people's ideas into my harddrive. I refuse to be a robot created to parrot other people's words. :\

I don't believe in something because it makes me happy, I believe it something because I think it's true. There are many people who refuse to believe the horrible truths of the world because that "bums them out" and that is why society is doomed.

 

[Jemo_]

You mentioned "miraculous healings", that sounds pretty magical to me

Well pal, documented miraculous healings are all over the internet, at one moment one is diagnosed with a terminal disease esp cancer then after practicing meditation and yoga after sometime the illness disappears without any chemotherapy or treatment.
I know it sounds whack but they do exist.

 

[alown]

From what I've seen most people who are totally set on CTB are Atheists and believe there is no afterlife and that we cease to exist after we die. It seems that comforts them more then belief in an afterlife. I personally have a difficult time understanding this. I was once an Atheist and believed this way, but had some personal experiences and know without a doubt that an afterlife does exist and it comforts me. When I was Atheist and believed there was nothing after this life, that did not comfort me. I was very distressed. It hurt so much thinking I'd never see my loved ones again and I would just simply cease to be. I guess you have to have to have your own personal experiences spiritually to know for sure that there is an afterlife.

maybe because they weren't influenced by the doctrine of religions which ban suicide as a forbidden act, they just understood that it was the deliverance from this quantum simulation in which we live to return to the real reality (that of our soul) and leave this earthly body in which they are imprisoned

 

[TowerUpright]

I'm not so sure we are. By definition, an atheist is someone who denies the existence of a god or gods. That's different than someone who denies an afterlife. I've seen some people online that fit into the atheist profile, but I see some that actively do believe in some form of afterlife. But the majority of threads I see don't say anything.. except for the 'goodbye threads'. A see so many people "say peace be with you" or "safe travels". So, it also sounds like many believe in *something*. Some sort of an afterlife, I suppose??

Personally, in terms of theism, you can safely mark me down as "not giving a shit anymore."

 

[esoterispeec]

I think everyone has a pain threshold, religion doesn't matter. If a religious person was in enough pain they would ctb. Also religious people believe it's a sin and they don't want more pain so they're trapped in a sense. they can either suffer in life and if they try to escape they go to hell.

 

[TowerUpright]

I think everyone has a pain threshold, religion doesn't matter. If a religious person was in enough pain they would ctb. Also religious people believe it's a sin and they don't want more pain so they're trapped in a sense. they can either suffer in life and if they try to escape they go to hell.

I've witnessed first hand one case where a Christian forbade their husband from getting pain medication in a f'ing hospital because it would "cause drunkenness" and is therefore a sin. This person was in a cancer ward towards the end of their lives as was in f'in agony. The nurses would sneak in and ask the patient directly whever the woman left the room to go get food / go to the chapel / etc. He accepted the pain medication and, as far as I know, never told his wife. I'm pretty sure he died by now and I certainly hope she has as well. (Sorry if that makes me a bad person, but it was tough to watch). Again, I saw this first hand and is the absolute truth.

Never dismiss what pain Christians will make others endure.

 

[Abbyonceuponatime]

There is a great study by a French sociologist named Emile Durkheim and his study is titled Suicide. He actually says that people who have a strong sense of faith/religion are less likely to commit suicide. A large part of this is because of the sense of community that comes with it, and because of the set of values that they wholeheartedly believe in which allow them to be at peace with hardship and with the idea that their struggle/patience will be rewarded by a higher power/after life. Atheists generally lack all the above. Highly recommend the book.

 

[Manaaja]

I don't believe in something because it makes me happy, I believe it something because I think it's true. There are many people who refuse to believe the horrible truths of the world because that "bums them out" and that is why society is doomed.

There is a pretty big difference between seeing a child being abused and saying "Nothing bad is happening because I'd get sad if it was true" and believing in a god/godless universe/theism/atheism/afterlife/etc. because it makes you happy. I never said to believe that the world is full of sunshine and rainbows.

I do agree though that people who belittle other's problems just make the world worse (like I posted today on another thread in case you want to get to know my thoughts better). Like rich people who believe poor people are just lazy or adults who see a gay teen being bullied in school and tell them to just grow a thicker skin.

But wanting to be happy is not wrong. There has to be a healthy balance between "Everything is bad. There's no hope." and "Lalala! Everything is perfect in this world!". Maybe something like "There are shitty people there doing shitty things, but we can do something about it and make the world better!". A person's mental health is important. Happiness is part of having a well-doing brain. Though having said that, I do often find it really hard to think that the world is not full of shit.

One person I know for example had a bad job with a bad boss. They posted about it several times every day on their social media account for weeks. At first I read their every post and wished I could have done more than just offer words of encouragement like "I hope your boss changes" or "I hope you find a better job", but finally I had to stop reading those posts because they had started to affect me. I'd often wake up and my first thought was "I really hope they have found a better job", I'd open the app and wish "Please, no more about that job. I don't want to hear about it anymore.". I knew they had a big problem, I wanted to help even though I had no way to do anything about it, but I couldn't bear to hear about it three times every day for weeks especially when I could do nothing about it. I believe people should help others but not on the expense of their mental well-being.

So yeah. Believe in people when they say they have problems. Don't belittle or ignore them. Help them if you can. Vote for politicians who would make your country better. Vote for laws that help people. Maybe try to educate other people. Tell your brother to stop saying racists things. Tell your girlfriend to stop littering. Teach your child to respect non-neurotypical people. But also, be careful you won't drown into a "everything in this world is bad" abyss yourself.

I'm a person who often believes the world is full of shitty people and shitty things. But a part of me wants to be happy. And I can never be happy if I live my whole life thinking "All the people are evil, the world is full of shit. Everything is hopeless". Though right now I'm having really big problems (new bad psychiatrist who doesn't know anything about asperger and ADD and instead just forces me to eat shitty pills for "depression" (which have never helped me because I don't have a depression, I have asperger! And anxiety caused by stupid psychiatrists who know nothing about me! And social anxiety when I'm forced to meet him all the time instead of him leaving me the fuck alone like all my previous psychiatrists did) and I'm really scared and insomniac and stressed, so maybe it's stupid of me tell others to be positive while I'm being killed by my fears and hopelessness. This on top of having lost my home a few months ago due to the ceiling breaking and hating living in this new one, and not knowing where to go. I just want to go back to my old home, but I can't, because there's most likely mold in there.

But there was a time when I was really happy and full of hope. And I want that time back even though the whole world seems so black right now. I just don't know how to deal with the psychiatrist and where to find a new home that is as good as the old one.

Sorry for a long reply. It's 4:30am now and I really need to sleep. Sorry, if I said anything stupid. I'm not in my best condition right now. But yeah, it would be nice if there were more people who helped than people who ignored or did bad things.

 

[Butterfly65]

You mentioned "miraculous healings", that sounds pretty magical to me

@Jemo_ This guy is an idiot don't even bother with him, not sure why he's even on this forum other then to berate and bully others.
I don't believe in the afterlife because it makes me happy, I believe in the afterlife because I have my own personal experiences which prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is one. But that's just me.

 

[motel rooms]

@Jemo_ This guy is an idiot don't even bother with him, not sure why he's even on this forum other then to berate and bully others.
I don't believe in the afterlife because it makes me happy, I believe in the afterlife because I have my own personal experiences which prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is one. But that's just me.

Dear enlightened soul, you showed everyone exactly how spiritual you are when you called me "a retarded little shithead" first & now an idiot Get a sense of humor...

 

[it's_all_a_game]

Speaking as someone who used to be Christian (I'm agnostic now), religion comforts you through hardship, pain, and misery. When I stopped believing in God & Jesus, I became sincerely suicidal, as I had no friends and a hateful Mom, and I was frustrated with the world. If religion as a whole is a lie, maybe it's the lie people need to deal with the brutality of reality.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

I'm not atheist

Why are people being so rude here? Just because you don't believe in religion doesn't mean you should ridicule those who do.

They are atheists angry at God

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Maybe God/gods is/are totally real and this is what we get for not believing in Him/them enough.

I'm agnostic but I think the existence of any deity sure does explain why I get fucked with so much. It really can't just be a coincidence but since I have no proof either way I subsequently can't be too sure either way.

 

[W’ren]

I believe there is 'life' after… just not as it's shown in movies or in books.

We are all made of energy, and death is a transformation- the energy continues.
Energy never disappears- it just changes form, continues on, ever the same, ever a part of the universe …

Where our consciousness goes, wether the energy we become retains awareness it was ever human- that i can't say.

My grandmother had personal experiences but she and i are descendants of witches and i now am alone to carry on our line. Funny that it might end with me. Or not… Since nothing ever truly ends.

It's a very philosophical debate.

Now, i've interacted with quite a few suicidal people in my time and a lot of them had spiritual beliefs and practices or they practiced buddhism or other eastern religion… (not all, it's true) but, i'm not sure how you got your statistic. Was there a poll i missed? Can someone show me the link? I'd like to go vote.

 

[WhatDoesTheFoxSay?]

PPS: Go watch the Buddha and Jesus anime! It's really nice! It's about Buddha and Jesus living in modern Japan and being best friends.

The anime's called Saint Young Men, if anyone's wondering. Definitely recommend.

 

[Lupgevif]

all over the internet

Oh yeah, the internet, where there is no false information at all.

 

[motel rooms]

I'm not atheist

They are atheists angry at God

Yes, atheists spend all their time being angry with something they don't believe exists

 

[Butterfly65]

I don't think you should say that.
"There's going to be a lot of folks waking up on the other side of things I can tell you that."-No, you cannot tell anyone that, that is so dangerous to instill false hope in others.
If you believe there is an afterlife, be my guest, but don't project that onto other people. If we are to respect your beliefs then you should respect our lack of such beliefs.
There is no evidence, it's the mind playing tricks.
I do believe anecdotal evidence when it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but no paranormal evidence or claims have come anywhere close, science and common sense are closer to disproving it entirely, than 'magical thinking' is to proving any ever-after exists.
The evidence against such a thing is there too, "if you look for it", it goes both ways.
I'm not trying to upset you, but I do not like when people tell me what will 'be', when it likely will not 'be'.
I am sure most of us would want an afterlife free of peril and full of every opportunity to fulfill our desires-another chance. A great deal of atheists and agnostics have little reason to protest an impossibly perfect scenario, but the impossibility of it is something we simply cannot ignore.

I hope that you are wrong and have an eternity of good things after you leave this life. :)
My post wasn't about any organized religion, it wasn't about religion at all. It was about the afterlife and you don't have to believe in any certain way or in any certain thing or deity for there to be an afterlife. People tend to think it's just black or white God or no God Heaven or Hell Christianity or something else. Try to leave religion and indoctrination as you know it out of it.

 

[noname223]

If I was religious had more problems. They put so much guilt on suicidal people and stigmatize them. When I was younger I felt guilty about my suicidality because I was raised somewhat religious. Atheism and the notion that there is no afterlife comforts me. I will forget everything. Pain will be gone and there will be finally peace. Just like the time before i was born.

 

[motel rooms]

PPS: Go watch the Buddha and Jesus anime! It's really nice! It's about Buddha and Jesus living in modern Japan and being best friends.

Is it about the Buddha trying to cure Jesus of his masochism by making sweet love to him? I'd watch that, but only if the Buddha works out & Jesus is a hairy, brown Israeli man instead of a bland blond

 

[motel rooms]

OMG, I used to be so nasty

 

[Wrennie]

I'm personally an atheist (in part because I was raised to be, since my father despises Catholicism due to a series of unsavory events that transpired at a Catholic school he attended during his youth).

Sometimes I do wish I were religious… but solely because for the people that I've known who were severely abused & have suffered, a belief in "God" was the magic solution that enabled them to continue living. What I never understood was why they'd pledge absolute devotion to a "God" that allowed such horrors to happen to them in the first place, though.

I recall their reasoning being along the lines of "I suffered for a greater purpose", and "God wants me to use my adverse experiences in order to help others", which is definitely noble of them to dedicate themselves to the pursuit of humanitarian causes in return, but in my case I could never will myself to believe in something that I simply just don't believe in. Trust me, I've tried.

Attempting to ascribe greater meaning to suffering, or else the harsh reality hits that there's really no "greater purpose" to anything in life (one's own misfortunes included).

 

[Sherri]

To many religious beliefs, there is the idea of going to hell, not paradise. That your souls will forever be trapped in a limbo, or in the next life it will be even worse. Maybe that could be the reason. As an atheist just guessing.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Atheist is a word religious nut jobs came up with to label anyone who does not agree with them. And I say nut job because that's what they are. Water into wine - if only. Lol.

 

[whywhywhy]

To many religious beliefs, there is the idea of going to hell, not paradise. That your souls will forever be trapped in a limbo, or in the next life it will be even worse. Maybe that could be the reason. As an atheist just guessing.

As someone who was raised religious my opinion is that religious people who embraced suicide would rather believe there is nothing after death instead of hell so they become atheists.

Ask yourself whats paradise, living again? Most problems will not be solved by magically resurrecting and living with all the people for a second time. Already failed life once whats the point of failing it twice for eternity. Specially if your problems are tied to your personality and not your circumstances.

Also from a religious standpoint imagine if God would punish people that suicide after death, do you think everyone in the afterlife would be ok and happy with it? 'Look at that kid who was molested multiple times and suicided, lets punish him for eternity'

If there is such thing as god people expect it to be love, happiness and justice. If god doesnt fullfill that idea then god is a douchebag and id rather be atheist than believe in living in a tyranical afterlife.

Sorry for the rant, just wanted to give some insight as someone who used to be on the other side.