Why are most people who CTB Atheists?

[Morituri_Te_Salutant]

I'm a born again atheist

whats a born again atheist

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

My personal experiences do not prove there is an afterlife for others, it only proves that there is an afterlife for me.

Many will be surprised to wake up on the other side their eternal slumber is not what they thought it was going to be :)

 

[Superdeterminist]

Are there statistics to back this up? It wouldn't suprise me at all tbh.. I'm atheist and the thought of death doesn't bother me in the slightest. I believe once you're dead that's it, which is far more comforting that the prospect of heaven or hell or some other infinite existence. I've always been slightly jealous of people with faith though. Being able to blame shitty life decisions and circumstances on some 'test' of God must be really comforting. I wonder how many priests etc.. CTB.

The impression I get, and I could be wrong, is that most religious people believe in 'free will' so they blame themselves rather than god for any perceived wrongdoing. And they usually hold god to be perfect and pretty much immune to criticism. However, I do know there are a few religious peoole (such as Calvinists) who hold that there is no free will. But I heard one Calvinist speak and the way he spoke nonetheless villified humans rather than god ("we are all sinners" etc).

 

[SweetDreams500]

Because in most religions, suicide leads to perpetual torment, which may keep a good amount of suicidal religious people from doing it.

 

[Amumu]

I'm an atheist. But with regard to humanity as a whole, atheism seems to be an absurdity. Go back to the dawn of human kind, religion has always been there. Atheism has only been a thing for 70 years, only in the West and in China. Note that most atheists search for another god (Gaïa or communism for some) or money to fill the void. It will lead us to our self-destruction, while religion has always been a cement of society.

 

[Mentalmick]

Fucking Narnia has a bigger chance of existing than any afterlife. I know there's things in my wardrobe I don't remember putting there.

 

[RegretedFeeling]

I doubt most of them are atheists but let's guess they are:

They probably ctb because unlike believers, they're not scared of hell or something like that.
After all, we're already living IN HELL.

If there is a heaven or hell I hope I go to hell because there is no cocaine in heaven!!

I like the thought of sticking it to the man, if I don't do it, they win!!

 

[watchingthewheels]

Atheism has only been a thing for 70 years, only in the West and in China.

70 years? Would you care to qualify that statement?

I believe Nietzsche was around longer than 70 years ago...and even before him...

History of atheism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And as for ony the West and China:

Islamic world​

In medieval Islam, Muslim scholars recognized the idea of atheism and frequently attacked unbelievers, although they were unable to name any atheists.[66] When individuals were accused of atheism, they were usually viewed as heretics rather than proponents of atheism.[67] However, outspoken rationalists and atheists existed, one notable figure being the ninth-century scholar Ibn al-Rawandi, who criticized the notion of religious prophecy, including that of Muhammad, and maintained that religious dogmas were not acceptable to reason and must be rejected.[68] Other critics of religion in the Islamic world include the poet Al-Maʿarri (973–1057), the scholar Abu Isa al-Warraq (fl. 9th century), and the physician and philosopher Abu Bakr al-Razi (865–925). However al-Razi's atheism may have been "deliberately misdescribed" by an Isma'ili missionary named Abu Hatim.[69][circular reference] Al-Maʿarri wrote and taught that religion itself was a "fable invented by the ancients"[70] and that humans were "of two sorts: those with brains, but no religion, and those with religion, but no brains."[71]

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[LastFlowers]

@Kyrok there's going to be a lot of surprised folks waking up on the other side of things I can tell you that. :) Suicide would be a solution if things are greatly improved once you get there don't you think? If you are out of the suffering that you were in while you were here in this life? Free to feel great and begin anew without the issues that made you want to end your life. There is a lot of evidence, if you look for it. But for some all the anecdotal evidence in the world won't make a difference unless they have their own experiences.

I don't think you should say that.
"There's going to be a lot of folks waking up on the other side of things I can tell you that."-No, you cannot tell anyone that, that is so dangerous to instill false hope in others.
If you believe there is an afterlife, be my guest, but don't project that onto other people. If we are to respect your beliefs then you should respect our lack of such beliefs.
There is no evidence, it's the mind playing tricks.
I do believe anecdotal evidence when it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but no paranormal evidence or claims have come anywhere close, science and common sense are closer to disproving it entirely, than 'magical thinking' is to proving any ever-after exists.
The evidence against such a thing is there too, "if you look for it", it goes both ways.
I'm not trying to upset you, but I do not like when people tell me what will 'be', when it likely will not 'be'.
I am sure most of us would want an afterlife free of peril and full of every opportunity to fulfill our desires-another chance. A great deal of atheists and agnostics have little reason to protest an impossibly perfect scenario, but the impossibility of it is something we simply cannot ignore.

 

[watchingthewheels]

It will lead us to our self-destruction, while religion has always been a cement of society.

Yeah, yeah, heard that before. Religionists like to think they have a monopoly on morals, and don't like the competition, so it's in their interest to say such.

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

i don't understand athiests because they claim to know about god and the afterlife when there is no way to know... yeah its probable that there is no god or afterlife but it cannot be proven either way

 

[MaybeSoon]

The bible interestingly never directly prohibited it. The church changed the rules later on. (suprise!) You can't promise heaven and expect people not to off themselves. Like, look at Jesus.. 'sacrificed' Okay. Technically I'll be sacrificing myself.

 

[demuic]

Yeah, yeah, heard that before. Religionists like to think they have a monopoly on morals, and don't like the competition, so it's in their interest to say such.

I've not seen religion prevent any of the cruelties of the world, and instead cause many of its own, alongside hypocrisy.

 

[MaybeSoon]

i don't understand athiests because they claim to know about god and the afterlife when there is no way to know... yeah its probable that there is no god or afterlife but it cannot be proven either way

I think it's more science based. My personal opinion is that my existence and perception on existence is heavily influenced by my senses. My brain which I was born with has taught me everything I know through electrical impulses. I am my brain basically. When you die your brain dies. So what will be left after that? absolutely nothing in my opinion. It'll be the same as before I was a born. I'm not exactly thrilled about it but the concept of an afterlife to me is so bizzaire. Almost fairytale like.

 

[Superdeterminist]

The bible interestingly never directly prohibited it. The church changed the rules later on. (suprise!) You can't promise heaven and expect people not to off themselves. Like, look at Jesus.. 'sacrificed' Okay. Technically I'll be sacrificing myself.

Good point. It's something Sam Harris (if you're familiar with him idk) also talked about, and it really helped me understand terrorism much more clearly. If it really is the case that martyrdom/jihad is rewarded with some kind of paradise in an after life, of course they're doing it. You would actually have to be silly not to, in a way. They sincerely believe that's where they're going and it motivates them to do what they do.

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

I think it's more science based. My personal opinion is that my existence and perception on existence is heavily influenced by my senses. My brain which I was born with has taught me everything I know through electrical impulses. I am my brain basically. When you die your brain dies. So what will be left after that? absolutely nothing in my opinion. It'll be the same as before I was a born. I'm not exactly thrilled about it but the concept of an afterlife to me is so bizzaire. Almost fairytale like.

that sounds about right, but personally i am too conflicted to make a solid assessment

 

[Amumu]

70 years? Would you care to qualify that statement?

I believe Nietzsche was around longer than 70 years ago...and even before him...

History of atheism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And as for ony the West and China:

Islamic world​

In medieval Islam, Muslim scholars recognized the idea of atheism and frequently attacked unbelievers, although they were unable to name any atheists.[66] When individuals were accused of atheism, they were usually viewed as heretics rather than proponents of atheism.[67] However, outspoken rationalists and atheists existed, one notable figure being the ninth-century scholar Ibn al-Rawandi, who criticized the notion of religious prophecy, including that of Muhammad, and maintained that religious dogmas were not acceptable to reason and must be rejected.[68] Other critics of religion in the Islamic world include the poet Al-Maʿarri (973–1057), the scholar Abu Isa al-Warraq (fl. 9th century), and the physician and philosopher Abu Bakr al-Razi (865–925). However al-Razi's atheism may have been "deliberately misdescribed" by an Isma'ili missionary named Abu Hatim.[69][circular reference] Al-Maʿarri wrote and taught that religion itself was a "fable invented by the ancients"[70] and that humans were "of two sorts: those with brains, but no religion, and those with religion, but no brains."[71]

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Don't be niggling, I meant atheism was infinitesimal before WW2.
Same for the islamic world, most people were Christian in the Middle East before the 11th century and polytheist before.

Yeah, yeah, heard that before. Religionists like to think they have a monopoly on morals, and don't like the competition, so it's in their interest to say such.

Religion has always had monopoly on morals at various levels : tribe or nation. Until recently.

 

[Mentalmick]

Everyone needs to calm the fuck down and allow yourself to be bathed in the glory of God. I have just this second received this video from someone I know in the afterlife. Apparently gods like:

And then he boots you straight out the door and into hell.

 

[watchingthewheels]

Don't be niggling

Don't be vague when making such claims with such certainty, and you won't be asked to clarify. I don't know you, so I won't presume, and I'm not a mindreader, so that's why I asked if you'd care to qualify what you meant.
Peace.

Don't be niggling, I meant atheism was infinitesimal before WW2.
Same for the islamic world, most people were Christian in the Middle East before the 11th century and polytheist before.


Religion has always had monopoly on morals at various levels : tribe or nation. Until recently.

Much to their chagrin, I'm sure. If atheism wasn't a "thing" historically, it's in no small part due to the persecution of doubters and heretics...

 

[Donk]

we should give OP a break. shes entitled to her own views and opinions. its comforting to think we'll reunite with those who were taken away from us. I do think the idea of an afterlife is more of a human construct than reality. the pyramid was constructed as a medium to the heavenly skies, jesus was resurrected after death, prominent historical figures searched for the magic elixir. the human mind struggles with the idea of mortality, we cope by believing we are immortal beings and life continues without the body. personally i dont really care if theres an afterlife or not. just don't let me relive this nightmare.

 

[watchingthewheels]

we should give OP a break. shes entitled to her own views and opinions.

Well, that's mighty kind of you. But that OP was also presented as a challenge to atheists, who are also allowed to their own views and opinions, so, we should give them a break, as well.

Breaks for everyone!

 

[motel rooms]

Poor spiritual/religious people... They can't even make a single condescending, passive-aggressive remark about atheists without being challenged & made fun of... I'm banning all of you horrible atheists from my personal afterlife forever!!!

 

[loopylou]

Because we don't believe a imaginary person is going to save / make your life better

 

[FuneralCry]

I know that religious people have probably ctb in the past, who have been under extreme suffering. They have probably been more hesitant but may have asked for forgiveness from the higher power they believe in to validate what they are doing. I think atheists are more likely to ctb as they believe there is nothing after this, while religious people fear of the afterlife and they believe they may be punished for this act, as it is an act against our nature.

 

[StringPuppet]

Well I'm glad you found something comforting that will make dying easier but I'm guessing a lot of atheists are already comforted by the fact there will be nothing and don't need to believe in any sort of afterlife. A lot of people here don't even have anyone to look forward to seeing.

I personally find both eternal nothingness and an afterlife equally comforting, although I do find myself believing more in the latter these days, but the afterlife I believe in won't resemble this evil material world at all.

 

[Butterfly65]

No one can know there is an afterlife without a doubt.
We all comfort ourselves with lies or willful ignorance of the truth, religion is just a societally accepted delusion that also ticks that box.

There are a few reasons why you may be seeing a lot of suicidal atheists, one being that a certain degree of suffering instills doubt and allows a person to open their eyes to the fact that there is no God, there is no one looking after them, and if there is, they must be worse than the devil himself-if this is the torturous existence bestowed upon so many. Prayer does nothing.

Also, if any religious people are suicidal, they experience more fear and stigma surrounding it, as most of them have been told suicide is a sin (it's not) and that they will go to Hell for eternity (they won't).

In the end it's not about comfort, it's about being realistic, we are already in pain and discomfort, everything else is just more of the same.

I don't think anyone should kill themselves with the expectation of something more to come, or with the belief that they will be reunited with loved ones in paradise..that's a dangerous way of weighing the risks vs the benefits, especially when the most likely outcome is that we simply cease to be, while our corpses rot in the ground.
It's not pleasant and it's not fair but it is the truth which a lot of people cannot handle, for one reason or another.

Some are also privileged with a good life with far less destruction, so of course those people are more likely to believe there is a higher power watching them and rewarding them.
These lucky ones still complain but in comparison to us, they live in sweet, saccharine bliss and spit in the faces of those who don't, thinking perhaps they (the victims of life) deserve the hand they've been dealt and that God punished them for good reason-however false that sentiment may be.

For me specifically, I was raised catholic and I questioned my religion pretty early on, more out of skepticism and irritation than because of my own pain...that intensified later on, but not much later, and the more I learned, the more I suffered, the more my lack of belief in the absurd intensified.

There is no Heaven and hell and organized religion is bullshit but that doesn't mean there's not something after this. What does anyone have to loose by believing there is? If there isn't then they won't know the difference or care anyway.

whats a born again atheist

I used to be a born again Atheist too!

 

[NormaJeane]

There is no evidence of an afterlife. The most likely is that death is the end of everything. People believe in God and religion because they are afraid of death. But everything will die with time, our sun will die the universe will die.

 

[Manaaja]

I don't give a shit whether you believe in atheism, theism, or agnosticism as long as you don't go to a 15 year old who list his family in an accident and yell "Fuck you! You'll never see them again!". That's bullying and mental abuse and fearmongering. It doesn't make the world a more positive, better place. And if you're religious you better notice and find it very odd and hot that God and Jesus don't have wives and instead just simp human men. They literally surround themselves with older human men the way I surround my body with a towel after shower.

*cough cough* That said. Religious people are almost always told by their group which says "God has plans for you. You must live. Suicide bad.". If from the moment you are born you are told by everyone around you "life=good", "death=bad", that's what you're usually gonna believe your whole life.

Atheists are often more likely to go their own way. A person who can think "I wanna think God doesn't exist" is a person who can think "I wanna think suicide is good".

I'm suffering from really bad mental fog. I wish I could have worded this better but I guess I need brain restoration for that.

PS: Why does everyone either claim to be a proud atheist or a proud theist but never and agnostic when the truth is that almost everyone is an agnostic who is unable to live every second of their life believing in one or the other?

PPS: Go watch the Buddha and Jesus anime! It's really nice! It's about Buddha and Jesus living in modern Japan and being best friends.

PPS: People should believe in what ever makes them happy. If atheism makes you happy, believe in it. If theism makes you happy, believe in it. But do it without hating gays or every person who believes in religions.

I was first a Christian, then an atheist. I felt immense freedom from being freed from the shackles of Christianity. I was happy for a while until I realized I had just traded one cult to another. I traded the shackles of Christianity for the shackles of atheism. I wanted a worldview that made me happy. So I created my own worldview instead of copypasting other people's ideas into my harddrive. I refuse to be a robot created to parrot other people's words. :\

 

[motel rooms]

70 years? Would you care to qualify that statement?

I believe Nietzsche was around longer than 70 years ago...and even before him...

And as for ony the West and China

Buddhism is pretty ancient & it's perfectly fine with agnosticism & atheism - it is not a theistic religion. The Buddha (5th century B.C.) rejected the idea of a creator god, & many Buddhist philosophers have argued that belief in an eternal god is nothing but a distraction for humans seeking liberation from suffering.
An ancient Indian religion called Jainism also rejects the idea of a divine creator.

 

[Jemo_]

I don't know why most who CTB are atheists. I don't even know if that's true, Though, I do also get that impression. How can you know there's an afterlife? I'm agnostic on the matter but I feel it's likely there is none since I've seen no evidence for one. I know you said you had a spiritual experience, however does that actually prove there's an afterlife? I'm not sure how it would. I can see it has really convinced you regardless. I have never had any such experience. I believe you're being honest and that the experience you had was compelling. But how do you know tbe true meaning of that experience?

Ever heard of miraculous healings or quantum mechanics? How do you explain them? What about verified real past life experiences and regressions done by psychics and mediums? Near death experiences?
The spiritual does exist and is verifiable. Research more on this subject with an open mind and youll get that impression too.
In fact, most scientists of the 21st century would attest to the existence of spirituality and an after-life if they were to be asked of their opinion on the matter.