Method What’s the most legal, painless, and easy ctb?

[iguanah]

You would rapidly slip into coma and then deeper. You aren't arousable. In any event, there isn't anything going on that is painful. Your brain itself has no pain neurons.

okay all clear on the pain front. i guess i just gotta get the bag tightness down. such a bitch because no oxygen in co2 and oxygen out is a fine line. would you lean on tighter or looser overall? since we've been chatting i've been messing around with some basketball head bands and some old velcro hockey neck guards with n extra oven bags. the basketball band is good because it's snug and i can get fingers under but i just wouldn't want a popped bag

 

[Aap]

I've seen images of the basketball headbands being used. I wouldn't go for anything not elastic.

 

[iguanah]

I've seen images of the basketball headbands being used. I wouldn't go for anything not elastic.

ya gotta be elastic, i'll probably just stick to elastic cord with a lock on the looser side of things

 

[iguanah]

I'm not sure what articles you are reading, but here is a very high level overview of pain and sedation:

There are various levels of sedation from: sedate (sleepy, feel pain consciously, body has physiologic reactions to pain (e.g. cortisol release, increased HR, BP, and respiration)), sleep (EEG changes, sleep, physiologic responses to pain, no conscious perception of pain but CAN be aroused to wakefulness), coma (deeper EEG changes, physiologic response to pain, no conscious perception of pain, CANNOT be aroused), anesthesia (no conscious or physiologic reaction to pain, cannot be aroused).

There isn't any controversy in medicine about pain and unconsciousness.

So ive set a ctb date and ive got everything setup, practiced and ready to go, did some more research and thinking about the pain factor and I have a much better understanding on that front.

Could you provide any info on seizures/convulsions? Ive heard that basically seizures don't happen with this method but minor convulsions of the extremities are common so like I said im going to trap my hands under my seatbelt which should be good. Ive also heard of SI kicking in after losing consciousness and ripping off the bag but is that even possible if a good space of nitrogen is maintained? Are there other factors that could cause that?

Like I said im going to throw a pillow behind me head to minimize head sway after I lose consciousness, I considered it may pop the bag but I assume air would just flow out the bottom so I think it'll be fine, I saw some people recommending cutting up Ziploc bags instead of oven bags as well, that's a solid idea as they are stronger but I think It may be better to stay tried and true?

I remember reading something a notable poster your probably familiar with (Letzte Ausfarht) who made some notable contributions on this site say something along the lines of (I cant find the exact post to quote atm) but basically empathized the importance of deep breathing when pulling the bag over your head as otherwise you may not go unconscious in a timely manner, but that doesn't make sense in my head cause surely when unconscious you wouldn't be breathing deeply anyways?

I also saw some people recommending to insert your tube after the bag is on your head so you can clear oxygen out of the tube by getting flow going but surely that wouldn't be necessary as youll purge it out of the bag anyways or is that a good precautious step to take?

I feel like im definitely over analyzing but I intend to get into a headspace where I get this right first try no fuckups. We were shooting back and forth over bag tightness with the snug one finger approach, does that mean when around your neck you can sneak a finger under if you pry on the bag or its loose enough you can get a finger under without pulling (as in there's naturally enough space.) Am I being over analytical and this method is pretty fool proof if followed well or is this all good thinking?

 

[Aap]

"Could you provide any info on seizures/convulsions? Ive heard that basically seizures don't happen with this method but minor convulsions of the extremities are common so like I said im going to trap my hands under my seatbelt which should be good. Ive also heard of SI kicking in after losing consciousness and ripping off the bag but is that even possible if a good space of nitrogen is maintained? Are there other factors that could cause that?"

Your thoughts about hands are good (or one could put them in their pocket). No one is ripping anything off after consciousness is lost.

anyone recommending inserting a tube after the bag is on has no clue what they are talking about. The tube should be taped to the inside of the bag. Oven bags should be used. Breathing deeply is important to ensure one passes out quickly. Once consciousness is lost, it won't be regained unless the bag is torn or removed.

The one finger rule means you can pull the bag away and get a finger in. Otherwise, the elastic and bag should be in contact with one's neck. Said another way, if the bag is on with gas turned off, if one can inhale and get fresh air, then it is too loose. The idea is that the elastic is tight enough that only by the positive pressure of the gas flowing can gas escape.

 

[dissolvedgirl]

well painless and easy would be phenobarbital. now legal...

 

[iguanah]

"Could you provide any info on seizures/convulsions? Ive heard that basically seizures don't happen with this method but minor convulsions of the extremities are common so like I said im going to trap my hands under my seatbelt which should be good. Ive also heard of SI kicking in after losing consciousness and ripping off the bag but is that even possible if a good space of nitrogen is maintained? Are there other factors that could cause that?"

Your thoughts about hands are good (or one could put them in their pocket). No one is ripping anything off after consciousness is lost.

anyone recommending inserting a tube after the bag is on has no clue what they are talking about. The tube should be taped to the inside of the bag. Oven bags should be used. Breathing deeply is important to ensure one passes out quickly. Once consciousness is lost, it won't be regained unless the bag is torn or removed.

The one finger rule means you can pull the bag away and get a finger in. Otherwise, the elastic and bag should be in contact with one's neck. Said another way, if the bag is on with gas turned off, if one can inhale and get fresh air, then it is too loose. The idea is that the elastic is tight enough that only by the positive pressure of the gas flowing can gas escape.

okay hands will be in pockets under seatbelt, and no repurposed ziploc exit bags, oven bags do seem thin so i could view ripping as a concern, the ziplocs are way more durable but ill stay away. snug fit on the bag and will be able to get a finger under if i pull.

so seizures/convulsions arent a concern?

you view this as a pretty fool proof ctb with this level of care & consideration or still a tricky one to get right?

 

[Aap]

I think you have everything well thought out, and barring a bag tear or being discovered, this method has a high a chance of success as anything.

 

[iguanah]

I think you have everything well thought out, and barring a bag tear or being discovered, this method has a high a chance of success as anything.

definitely won't be discovered, can't view how a bag tear could occur, when saying a high a chance of success as anything, you mean to say a good method?

on the pain front you would painlessly be knocked on conscious, than you'd be into deep of a coma do detect anything like heart stopping, and before you knew it brain death will occur?

 

[Aap]

There is no pain. Your brain dies before your heart stops.

 

[ARW3N]

Dying of old age.

But seriously if there were a method that fit legal, painless, and easy, it wouldn't be legal or easy to get for very long. We're all looking for this but it's a bit of a dream. The CO method is legal and painless but I'd say the set up isn't exactly easy. You have to do your own research and decided what is best for you.

You're right! Turkey prohibited the sale of cyanide after being inundated by a spate of suicides by Turkish families.

 

[iguanah]

There is no pain. Your brain dies before your heart stops.

in the pph size it says exit bag should be 35 x 50cm, is that the bible or is generally any of bags good, i could only find 45 x 55 & 35 x 42cm on amazon. would one of those be fine?

also should seizures/convulsions be problematic?

 

[Aap]

No, either size would work. In the scenario you've described, convulsions shouldn't be problematic.

 

[iguanah]

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No, either size would work. In the scenario you've described, convulsions shouldn't be problematic.

well in that case i think i've covered every base i can come up with in my head, i hope this all goes smoothly

 

[iguanah]

No, either size would work. In the scenario you've described, convulsions shouldn't be problematic.

i have nailed down my ctb date for the 18th of this month as i will have the garage to myself as my wife is taking our kids on a sports trip that week so i'll have the garage to myself. with it being locked in, what % what you play the success rate of this method when steps are followed as meticulously as i've described to follow.

 

[Aap]

Well, as long as the bag stays on, it's as close to 100% as anything can be. No one can survive without oxygen.

 

[Wakawaka]

you dont need an Antimetic for sn

 

[iguanah]

Well, as long as the bag stays on, it's as close to 100% as anything can be. No one can survive without oxygen.

it's also crossed my mind i'm just attaching the tube to the hose barb, would it be worth getting a jubilee clamp or some tape or should i be fine

 

[iguanah]

Well, as long as the bag stays on, it's as close to 100% as anything can be. No one can survive without oxygen.

also you seem pretty well read on the entire topic of suicide, currently seeing as reliable and painless as this is, i feel really relieved. a lot of people on this site seem to really have a hard time committing to their ctb, but i actually feel happy, like i'm going to have peace. is this common? to give you some background as i'm sure many on this site do i suffer from crushing depression and anxiety which in the last few years has come to bring me chronic back pain. so i'm actually feeling good about peacefully leaving my body and life and breaking through to the other side if there's anything over there or not. i'm not religious, maybe agnostic at best, but i don't feel anxious or stressed, just relieved.

 

[Aap]

I don't think there is harm in taping or more securely affixing the tube to the barb. I would encourage you to consider every other option. Knowing there is a way out can be a tremendous comfort, and I certainly hope you can find another way, especially given your family.

There is absolutely no harm or shame in changing your mind.

 

[iguanah]

I don't think there is harm in taping or more securely affixing the tube to the barb. I would encourage you to consider every other option. Knowing there is a way out can be a tremendous comfort, and I certainly hope you can find another way, especially given your family.

There is absolutely no harm or shame in changing your mind.

i guess i'll just go to home depot and get them to find a clamp that works for me.

i appreciate the support and kind attitude but i think i'm set, i feel really bad for my kids (twins in grade 12 right now) but their both going to start their pre-med next fall across the country so i hope they'll find some solace in at least being away from the home they've spent their entire lives in. i've written an enourmous note for my wife and i think she'll an understand as much as anyone could, she's a psychiatrist herself so it's not like it's uncharted territory and she's aware of my condition.

 

[Aap]

I sincerely wish you the best then, friend.

 

[iguanah]

I sincerely wish you the best then, friend.

i really appreciate all the info, there's so much misinformation out there. you've been incredibly helpful. i appreciate all the prompt thorough responses more than you know. all the best to you

 

[dissolvedgirl]

well painless and easy would be phenobarbital. now legal...

woops, meant pentobarbital.

 

[Tintin]

Hey Aap, i'm new to this site so i wasn't sure about a good way to directly contact you so i thought i'd reply to you, but i'm fully setup for exit bag & i have a few questions and i've noticed your a great source of info in this site so i thought i'd reach out!

I'm super educated on the whole thing and have a few details i'd like clarification on before proceeding, no dumb uninformed questions!

1. Obviously bag tightness is a big topic of debate, what i've been doing is pulling it over my head getting to a nice tightness then pulling it up like a shower cap but after it's filled with nitrogen and i pull down it's a bit looser, do you think it would be wise to give it a quick tighten once i pull back down?

2. Pain! so after i lose conciousness what am i feeling? this is obviously super debated in the medical community (anaesthetic use during surgery and not being able to recall pain) but any ideas? would i be too deeply unconcuius to detect? would there be some definite pain? it's often reported unconscious people feel pain as well so i'm torn. i can handle that i'd just like a piece of mind on what it would be like before i pull the trigger.

3. i'm trying to settle on a time to abort if not unconscious, what would you recommend? 60 seconds?

4. Lastly i'm doing this in my car as to my best understanding seizures are uncommon with exit bag ctb some minor movement of the extremities is common, so basically i thought i'd sit reclined in my car which my legs around the seat in front of me and after pulling the bag over my head i'd tuck me arms underneath the seatbelt. another thing i've noticed is it's pretty obvious to me your heads gonna sway to one side when unconscious so
i plan on putting a big bed pillow behind my head to minimize sway, i guess that is could mess with the bag a little but to me less messing with it than not having a pillow.

that's about it! i would really really appreciate a reply as than i would be ready to proceed. if you see any other issues in my logic please point them out.

Cheers

Hello Iguanah, I'm new to this site and struggle with the loads of information. You seem well prepared with the Exitbag. May I ask you how big is the tank you're using? Have you tried your set? Thank you in advance.

 

[iguanah]

2000psi 88 cubic feet, haven't tested it, don't wanna waste gas

 

[profoundexperience]

2000psi 88 cubic feet, haven't tested it, don't wanna waste gas

88 ft^3 = 2491 Liters

2491 Liters / 15 lpm = 166 minutes = you have plenty of excess gas for testing.

Just make it brief, have the room be well ventilated, and make two marks with a Sharpie so you can confirm you've shut-off the valve back to its fully-closed position.

 

[iguanah]

88 ft^3 = 2491 Liters

2491 Liters / 15 lpm = 166 minutes = you have plenty of excess gas for testing.

Just make it brief, have the room be well ventilated, and make two marks with a Sharpie so you can confirm you've shut-off the valve back to its fully-closed position.

i dont quite understand what you mean about the sharpie? what would i be testing for?

 

[profoundexperience]

i dont quite understand what you mean about the sharpie? what would i be testing for?

You don't have to do any testing unless you want to. Totally up to you! Just nice to get an idea of how it's going to go and get comfortable with it.

Anyway... just saying you have plenty of gas... so not a worry.

One thing that surprised me in testing was the noise level (and, of course that depends on different factors... but the higher the flow, the more noise and you said you were going to try to do 20 lpm). I decided I'm going to wear some headphones to block some noise. (like it really matters for the few seconds I'll be conscious)

Before I "cracked" my tank, I made a mark with a Sharpie marker on the main valve's turnable "knob" as well as a corresponding mark on a stationary part of the valve assembly = that way I could make absolutely sure to re-tighten the knob back to its original position (both my Sharpie marks/lines exactly "line up").

 

[Tintin]

88 ft^3 = 2491 Liters

2491 Liters / 15 lpm = 166 minutes = you have plenty of excess gas for testing.

Just make it brief, have the room be well ventilated, and make two marks with a Sharpie so you can confirm you've shut-off the valve back to its fully-closed position.

How do you convert cf to l, keeping 2000psi in mind?
20 l at 200 bar ~ 4000l?

One thing that surprised me in testing was the noise level (and, of course that depends on different factors... but the higher the flow, the more noise and you said you were going to try to do 20 lpm). I decided I'm going to wear some headphones to block some noise. (like it really matters for the few seconds I'll be conscious)

May I aks, have you tested it to the point of blackout?