What would you choose; Shotgun OR Nembutal (N)

[GentleJerk]

N, 100%.

Peaceful, painless, quiet, clean, dignified. No gory mess to clean up, less trauma for others. Dying in your sleep, doesn't get any better than that imo!

 

[dreadpirateroberts69]

With the quickness of a guillotine, you get "up to" 20 or 30 seconds of consciousness after the fact. At least according to the reports. Heads have blinked to answer prearranged questions, and have looked around at the people watching them. There's interesting literature on that topic.

This is fascinating, I will have to read more about it!

 

[justsayin]

This is fascinating, I will have to read more about it!

It's a myth. Decapitation can not be slower than hanging. Movement does not mean consciousness.

 

[Al Cappella]

N all the way. Shotgun would be way too messy…

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

Shotgun is really effective but its so ghastly. If only for whoever has to find me, even a stranger, I'd pick N.

 

[London Fella]

I wanted to choose shotgun but clicked on N by accident. My brainfog is really bad tonight.

My ideal method would be to put a gun to my head, pull the trigger and be gone. So quick and painless. I dread the idea of taking a pill and waiting for it to work.

Overdosing is so spiritual.

Once you've got over the excitement, fear, and have actually taken the overdose, you go into a surreal, peaceful trance.

There's no calmness like it. You know it's done, and it's at that point that you reminisce about the good times you've had in your life.

The overdoses I take (sleeping tablets, lots, with alcohol) is very peaceful. It usually takes about half an hour, then you're gone. You just drop.

The only reason I'm still here (I've died more than once) is because the bastards brought me back.

 

[dreadpirateroberts69]

It's a myth. Decapitation can not be slower than hanging. Movement does not mean consciousness.

True that movement does not mean consciousness. I imagine decapitation would be more painless than a gun to the head, but of course it's impossible to know for sure. It seems likely that dying this way would be unbelievably painful for a small fraction of a second

 

[Of The Universe]

Shotgun baby!

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

It's a myth. Decapitation can not be slower than hanging. Movement does not mean consciousness.

research has shown that even after the heart stops beating there is still activity in the brain, it finishes with a final wave of activity that sweeps across the brain occurring minutes after the heart finishes beating

How long does the brain remain conscious after decapitation?

Tales of heads trying to speak after being cut off include Anne Boleyn and Jean-Paul Marat’s killer. Here, Adam Taylor ponders whether there is any truth in the bizarre phenomenon

www.independent.co.uk

The Dutch researchers found that for about four seconds after being separated from the body, the rats' brains continued to generate electrical activity between the 13 to 100-Hertz frequency band, which is associated with consciousness and cognition

Do You Really Stay Conscious After Being Decapitated?

Decapitation is a surefire way to deliver a quick and painless death, right? In actuality, an increasingly large body of historical and scientific evidence suggests that beheading doesn't, in fact, deliver instant death.

science.howstuffworks.com

In 1905, a French physician sought to find out. He attended an execution and stood close to the guillotine. He approached as soon as the severed head tumbled into the basket below and called out the man's name. He claimed the eyelids lifted and the man looked briefly at him before lowering his gaze. The physician called his name again and received a similar response. The man did not respond to a third prompt. The physician concluded based on his observations that a severed head could retain consciousness for 25 to 30 seconds.

Are Humans Still Briefly Conscious After Decapitation?

Beheading is still practiced in some parts of the world, even though it is rare. So, do humans retain consciousness after the beheading?

www.discovermagazine.com

"The face relaxed, the lids half closed on the eyeballs, leaving only the white of the conjunctiva visible, exactly as in the dying whom we have occasion to see every day in the exercise of our profession, or as in those just dead.

"It was then that I called in a strong, sharp voice: 'Languille' I saw the eyelids slowly lift up, without any spasmodic contractions."

He continued: "Next Languille's eyes very definitely fixed themselves on mine and the pupils focused themselves.

"I was not, then, dealing with the sort of vague dull look without any expression, that can be observed any day in dying people to whom one speaks: I was dealing with undeniably living eyes which were looking at me. "

Beaurieux said he called out for a second time, and again Languille's eyes fixed on his.

He added: "The eyelids lifted and undeniably living eyes fixed themselves on mine with perhaps even more penetration than the first time."

The doctor then called out a third time but by this time Languille was most certainly dead and did not respond.

He said: "The whole thing had lasted twenty-five to thirty seconds."

The beheading experiments that 'proved' severed heads remain conscious

THIS is the astonishing story of the grisly experiments which claimed to prove that severed heads remain conscious for up to 30 SECONDS after being guillotined. Throughout the 19th and 20th Century…

www.thesun.co.uk

This from just a quick search. The bottom link has some thoughts from modern scientists on decapitation and consciousness. When you think about it, there would be no reason to lose consciousness until the blood and oxygen present in the brain became exhausted. By reports, this can take up to 30 seconds.

If you wanted to know more, Sci-Hub would be a great place to search.

 

[sunnybird]

N because it just seems more peaceful and serene than a shotgun. I've been wanting to just die in my sleep for years and N is probably the closest I can come to that

 

[summers]

N but only if I could inject it. Otherwise, shotgun to the heart.

I don't want to take 20 mins to die (or however long it takes to drink N).

 

[Sleepdrifter]

Surprised how popular N is. Shotguns statistically have an almost guaranteed outcome

 

[Someone123]

Firearm. You pull the trigger and it's over. The main drawback with N for me is that the few minutes you must wait to pass are going to feel like a very long time.

It's terrifying to see what happens to people who attempt suicide by shotgun and survive- it's the worst method to survive, in my opinion. Full suspension is just as reliable and it doesn't bkow your whole face off.

 

[summers]

It's terrifying to see what happens to people who attempt suicide by shotgun and survive- it's the worst method to survive, in my opinion. Full suspension is just as reliable and it doesn't bkow your whole face off.

If you shoot yourself a little to the left of the sternum, you're pretty much dead center in the heart. If somehow you survive that, you won't be disfigured or crippled. Chance of survival is very very low, but it may take a few mins to die if you only nick the heart and you have to bleed to death.

 

[justsayin]

True that movement does not mean consciousness. I imagine decapitation would be more painless than a gun to the head, but of course it's impossible to know for sure. It seems likely that dying this way would be unbelievably painful for a small fraction of a second

Brain requires time to process stuff. Shotgun can destroy brain before it can register any pain (if used properly). Shotgun aimed below neck would be slower than decapitation.

How long does the brain remain conscious after decapitation?

Tales of heads trying to speak after being cut off include Anne Boleyn and Jean-Paul Marat’s killer. Here, Adam Taylor ponders whether there is any truth in the bizarre phenomenon

www.independent.co.uk

Do You Really Stay Conscious After Being Decapitated?

Decapitation is a surefire way to deliver a quick and painless death, right? In actuality, an increasingly large body of historical and scientific evidence suggests that beheading doesn't, in fact, deliver instant death.

science.howstuffworks.com

Are Humans Still Briefly Conscious After Decapitation?

Beheading is still practiced in some parts of the world, even though it is rare. So, do humans retain consciousness after the beheading?

www.discovermagazine.com

The beheading experiments that 'proved' severed heads remain conscious

THIS is the astonishing story of the grisly experiments which claimed to prove that severed heads remain conscious for up to 30 SECONDS after being guillotined. Throughout the 19th and 20th Century…

www.thesun.co.uk

This from just a quick search. The bottom link has some thoughts from modern scientists on decapitation and consciousness. When you think about it, there would be no reason to lose consciousness until the blood and oxygen present in the brain became exhausted. By reports, this can take up to 30 seconds.

If you wanted to know more, Sci-Hub would be a great place to search.

I have scientific background. If you want to debate me, you have to do more than quick searching and linking few clickbaity articles (that I've already seen before), and telling me that you've heard of Sci-Hub. You have actually posted a link to The Sun (those from UK will understand how silly is that), and left out basic stuff like Wikipedia. I have just checked Wikipedia decapitation page, and it says:

Some anecdotes suggest more extended persistence of human consciousness after decapitation, but most doctors consider this unlikely and consider such accounts to be misapprehensions of reflexive twitching rather than deliberate movement, since deprivation of oxygen must cause nearly immediate coma and death ("[Consciousness is] probably lost within 2–3 seconds, due to a rapid fall of intracranial perfusion of blood").

There is even a link to howstuffworks.com article Top 10 Myths About the Brain (one of your links references article on the same site).

Loss of consciousness because of lack of blood flow to the brain has been experimentally studied. Loss of consciousness because of breaking the neck, not so much. Both of those mechanisms are used in hanging. Long drop hanging is supposed to cause instant loss of consciousness (although there are no scientific studies of that). Decapitation sometimes happens when long drop hanging has too big of a drop. All of that I condensed in my previous post.

TL;DR
Decapitation can not be slower than hanging. Movement does not mean consciousness. Brain activity does not mean consciousness.

Spoiler: Movement without consciousness

 

[whatevs]

How long does the brain remain conscious after decapitation?

Tales of heads trying to speak after being cut off include Anne Boleyn and Jean-Paul Marat’s killer. Here, Adam Taylor ponders whether there is any truth in the bizarre phenomenon

www.independent.co.uk

Do You Really Stay Conscious After Being Decapitated?

Decapitation is a surefire way to deliver a quick and painless death, right? In actuality, an increasingly large body of historical and scientific evidence suggests that beheading doesn't, in fact, deliver instant death.

science.howstuffworks.com

Are Humans Still Briefly Conscious After Decapitation?

Beheading is still practiced in some parts of the world, even though it is rare. So, do humans retain consciousness after the beheading?

www.discovermagazine.com

The beheading experiments that 'proved' severed heads remain conscious

THIS is the astonishing story of the grisly experiments which claimed to prove that severed heads remain conscious for up to 30 SECONDS after being guillotined. Throughout the 19th and 20th Century…

www.thesun.co.uk

This from just a quick search. The bottom link has some thoughts from modern scientists on decapitation and consciousness. When you think about it, there would be no reason to lose consciousness until the blood and oxygen present in the brain became exhausted. By reports, this can take up to 30 seconds.

If you wanted to know more, Sci-Hub would be a great place to search.

From my moderately extensive array of watched gore videos I can say that consciousness is lost at most after 7 seconds after the severing is complete. There is enough time for the face to register a reaction, then the eyes become lifeless.

Special thanks for the monsters at the Brazilian favelas, Mexican cartels and DAESH for their participation in my research.

 

[raghu1977]

I've seen a number of shotgun/handgun suicides. It's pretty much a no-brainer if done correctly. Point it at the center mass of your brain, and it's instantly lights out. That guy who just blew his face off clearly never checked his stance in a mirror.

The issue is "if done correctly". My biggest fear is flinching and blowing my face off instead of my brain.

You raise a very good point with regards to N. Thats why I have purchased anti-emetics and neotame. I am planning to sample a really small quantity this weekend to see if it is doable.

I do have an advantage though - 25 years of smoking have killed my tastebuds. N will need to be truly vile for me to taste it and gag

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

True that movement does not mean consciousness. I imagine decapitation would be more painless than a gun to the head, but of course it's impossible to know for sure. It seems likely that dying this way would be unbelievably painful for a small fraction of a second

For sure a moslem beheading is incredibly painful and gruesome, but a guillotine is super sharp and cuts through in an instant. Pain is likely to be minimal for the remaining seconds to live. By contrast, a correctly placed round or slug to the head (of sufficient mass and velocity) results in instant death, due to the brain itself being destroyed.

Brain requires time to process stuff. Shotgun can destroy brain before it can register any pain (if used properly). Shotgun aimed below neck would be slower than decapitation.



I have scientific background. If you want to debate me, you have to do more than quick searching and linking few clickbaity articles (that I've already seen before), and telling me that you've heard of Sci-Hub. You have actually posted a link to The Sun (those from UK will understand how silly is that), and left out basic stuff like Wikipedia. I have just checked Wikipedia decapitation page, and it says:

There is even a link to howstuffworks.com article Top 10 Myths About the Brain (one of your links references article on the same site).

Loss of consciousness because of lack of blood flow to the brain has been experimentally studied. Loss of consciousness because of breaking the neck, not so much. Both of those mechanisms are used in hanging. Long drop hanging is supposed to cause instant loss of consciousness (although there are no scientific studies of that). Decapitation sometimes happens when long drop hanging has too big of a drop. All of that I condensed in my previous post.

TL;DR
Decapitation can not be slower than hanging. Movement does not mean consciousness. Brain activity does not mean consciousness.

Spoiler: Movement without consciousness

Well, you got me there. It's true. I've heard of Sci-Hub.

From my moderately extensive array of watched gore videos I can say that consciousness is lost at most after 7 seconds after the severing is complete. There is enough time for the face to register a reaction, then the eyes become lifeless.

Special thanks for the monsters at the Brazilian favelas, Mexican cartels and DAESH for their participation in my research.

Those who just get bullets to the head are so lucky. Someone else wanted to 'debate' me on it, but I do have a mild curiosity about the typical and maximum lengths of consciousness after an instant beheading, like you'd get with a guillotine. All that sawing away at the neck with their dull knives is pretty unpleasant, and not really conducive to the kind of reproducible results you'd want for a definitive answer.

 

[Gsvko]

I hate the lenghty process of obtaining N. And it feels like commiting a crime. Death is tragic gory or not, I'd always do it outside and call police myself. Second best to gun is jumping for me, but there's no high enough accessible places in my area and would include inocent people.

 

[motel rooms]

My ideal method would be to put a gun to my head, pull the trigger and be gone. So quick and painless.

You're supposed to put it in your mouth & shoot yourself in the brainstem...

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

The issue is "if done correctly". My biggest fear is flinching and blowing my face off instead of my brain.

You raise a very good point with regards to N. Thats why I have purchased anti-emetics and neotame. I am planning to sample a really small quantity this weekend to see if it is doable.

I do have an advantage though - 25 years of smoking have killed my tastebuds. N will need to be truly vile for me to taste it and gag

If anyone were considering the gunshot method, watching a bunch of those suicide videos would be instructive.

I looked up the neotame after someone here mentioned it a few weeks ago. Supposed to be up to 13,000 times sweeter than some other sugar, which sounds pretty sweet. Plus it's supposed to have an anti-bitterness quality to it.

Kratom is about the worst taste I'm up for. But I've also had a lot of very hot peppers, which can be just a mouthful of pain if you cross the line. If you get a chance, let me know what the taste of N is like for you.

 

[Smart No More]

I'm a man, so I'd choose a shotgun, because that's manly.

I'd choose a shotgun because after the poisoning I have a phobia of poisons. I never again want to experience what I experienced during the poisoning. It was pure hell. I'd literally rather die in a guillotine. Anything is better than poison.

Hey. Could you expand on your experience with poisoning? Have you already posted about it on the forum?

 

[Manaaja]

Hey. Could you expand on your experience with poisoning? Have you already posted about it on the forum?

Here: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/yew-poisoning.77409/

 

[MikeDeross82]

I think N

 

[settheory]

I voted "nembutal", but hell, i don't even know anymore. I don't know what kind of a mental state i would be in if in once i injest it. Ironically, gun might be the more peaceful method. I don't want to feel too miserable before death, awareness of which might make me sad or whatever, even for a while. But if forced to choose quickly, i would still pick N, because of safety concerns.

 

[raghu1977]

I've seen a number of shotgun/handgun suicides. It's pretty much a no-brainer if done correctly. Point it at the center mass of your brain, and it's instantly lights out. That guy who just blew his face off clearly never checked his stance in a mirror.

Not something to inflict on family though. As for the N, there's a recent post talking about how the awful taste of N prevented the guy from drinking it all, with hospital ICU and 'psych jail' being the result. The impairment from a failed poison suicide could be just as bad as a failed shotgun suicide, albeit in different ways.

With the quickness of a guillotine, you get "up to" 20 or 30 seconds of consciousness after the fact. At least according to the reports. Heads have blinked to answer prearranged questions, and have looked around at the people watching them. There's interesting literature on that topic.

So - just a quick update. I used a syringe to get 1ml of N. Squirted it on my tongue, swished it around a bit and swallowed.

The taste is bitter. The closest analogy I can think of is neem oil mixed with gin.

While its not exactly a flavor that people will crave. It is not quite disgusting.

Personally - i dont think I will have a problem chugging two bottles. I doubt I will even have to resort to neotame. I think a coke afterward should be sufficient.

Edit: 10 minutes in, I've had a cigarette, dont really notice anything. The bitterness has worn off. Im waiting for the snooze or anything else... but nothing so far. Just watching miami vice. At this point im a little worried that I dont have N; but just some neem oil mixed with cheap tequila.

Edit 2: 1 hour in - im feeling drowsy as fuck.I had a couple shots of whiskey and that may have helped

 

[cryptid]

Deffo shotgun.

 

[Kobusu]

Put a single-shot 12 gague in my mouth and let me paint a picture with my grey-matter. Seriously, the small time period after drinking N where you know you are dying sounds like hell. Just give me some buckshot or a slug and let me make it quick.

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

So - just a quick update. I used a syringe to get 1ml of N. Squirted it on my tongue, swished it around a bit and swallowed.

The taste is bitter. The closest analogy I can think of is neem oil mixed with gin.

While its not exactly a flavor that people will crave. It is not quite disgusting.

Personally - i dont think I will have a problem chugging two bottles. I doubt I will even have to resort to neotame. I think a coke afterward should be sufficient.

Edit: 10 minutes in, I've had a cigarette, dont really notice anything. The bitterness has worn off. Im waiting for the snooze or anything else... but nothing so far. Just watching miami vice. At this point im a little worried that I dont have N; but just some neem oil mixed with cheap tequila.

Edit 2: 1 hour in - im feeling drowsy as fuck.I had a couple shots of whiskey and that may have helped

Thanks for the update. I definitely prefer tonic water with my gin. Neem oil wouldn't be in my top 10 alternatives... Although I sometimes have a scoop of kratom in water, and that's not exactly a pleasant taste either.

At least now you know you have the N and can handle the taste of it. Hope you don't get to the point of needing to use it.

 

[WrongPlaceWrongTime]

Assuming both are readily available to me, N without a doubt. Blowing my face off doesn't sound pretty, especially if you survive.