Discussion What do we get for holding on?

[Kalista]

Is it just cowardice or do I really expect something better to come?
Who said it is improtant to live long?
Why does everybody seem to aim a long healthy life?
Are there any benefits if we make it to a natural death?

It's not cowardice, whatever people say. If anything it's fucking smart to just leave rather than to stick around based on whatever your reason is. We're also not taught that's in an option in life until we learn about it. It's fine to leave, people tend to just make a huge deal about life like it's something sacred.

Who said it's important to live long?
No idea where it originated from, but it's a general idea that's been spread for probably centuries. Experiencing things in life make you feel good. It triggers something in your brain that can make you keep going back for more. Achieving something small or big to do in life give a rewarding feeling -- whether it hurts others or not. So there's that.

Long healthy life?
Social media probably has something to do with it. Aiming to be a better person tends to be a goal people reach for, both mentally and physically to prevent or try to rid of any pain and suffering you may experience.

Benefits for reaching a natural death?
Knowledge, learning new skills, using those skills to create or destroy things, experiencing new things, reexperiencing old ones, creating new relationships, keeping old ones, and many other shit that you might end up caring for along the way. Getting to do all or a mix of those might give you a sense of fulfillment in the end.

 

[AnxietyHangover]

What do we get for holding on??? Well, in my case, I didn't get anything… Time and time again it is the same thing but for some reason I still keep doing it. Guess it's insanity when you keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

 

[xinino]

I get sensation, linger tantrico, sadism, self importance, admiration, glorification, awe...

Even in suffering I enjoy, I started to believe that if I am not pessimist there is something wrong.

Benefits for reaching a natural death?
Knowledge, learning new skills, using those skills to create or destroy things, experiencing new things, reexperiencing old ones, creating new relationships, keeping old ones, and many other shit that you might end up caring for along the way. Getting to do all or a mix of those might give you a sense of fulfillment in the end.

But the body will eventually lose ability to do all of that before natural death.

I don't think you re ugly.... but I know what you mean. aging can be scary.
I rarely see ugly people tbh.

Dude, did you ever see how the elderly die for natural reasons? It is horrible, my grandparents deaths were so disgusting.

 

[Dark Moon]

What do we get for holding on? For me it's nothing, I just exist in a state of limbo and there's nothing much I can do about it with the lack of euthanasia. Although society wants to keep me alive for some reason.

 

[xinino]

Suffering is the reward. Suffering builds resilience and character, which don't matter

Every notable character in history has suffered. So their suffering inspires and matters to other people.

There was one time when I lived in nature (on the road) (mostly), I did not look upon myself for months. It was a very good time!

Yeah, technology is bad, even just mirror can be an oppressive force.

I think the best majority of people do enjoy their lives and the people around them and the things they do and the homes they've created and if they live a long time, are able to look back through their memories as a source of comfort. What we feel is not the norm, otherwise the human race would have died out long ago.

We're not supposed to feel like this.

Why? tho, it sounds fine.

 

[FuneralCry]

In my case I don't see any benefit to this cruel, meaningless existence that was so harmfully imposed in the first place, for me I'd believe the less time spent suffering here the better especially as there are no disadvantages to permanent non-existence yet in existence there is unlimited potential for pain and torment.

To have the ability to exist as a human with the ability to suffer endlessly is an abomination to me, to be conscious and aware is just so unnecessary and undesirable, I don't see any point to suffering so senselessly when the peace of non-existence solves everything. I don't see any value to existence rather it's just something that harms existing beings and serves no purpose to torture them all while they are just waiting to die anyway.

I'd always prefer to peacefully cease existing on my own terms rather than suffer for decades just to deteriorate and be tortured by very old age dying slowly and painfully. Extreme old age sounds beyond hellish to me with so many humans tormented by dementia or agonizing painful diseases. To me existence is something best avoided as it's just meaningless suffering, if it's up to me I never would have chosen to exist at all, only never existing is true perfection, the existence of life is just a horrific tragedy.

 

[Meteora]

I just had a fourth appointment with a new psychiatrist.
It is so very clear I have to ctb.
These people will never really help or understand. Never.
I will slowly lower my meds and I m pretty sure I will easily come to the point where I get very suicidal.
Just have to make sure I m 100% ready with the method. Don't think I ll be very rational without meds.
I pray I will finally do it.
My New Year's resolution was killing myself finally. I even wrote it on a paper to always remind me.

Sorry for venting.

 

[tbroken]

It really depends on how you treat yourself, what happens in your life and what you LET happen. Things can get better, you can become more intelligent and smarter and maybe finally get the opportunity to be who you want to be or meet people that suit you better.
Or it can go worse, the problems will grow and grow, you'll just get older, but not smarter and you will become the target of bad ppl; in many cases they never get better, they never die and their only focus will be to destroy all the good you build.
I know at least 10 of them and even if they are stupid as hell, they live by unmotivated hatred, envy, swimming in their problems like it is Caribbean sea and they are there just to target ppl who enjoy life. In many cases, they are also unrealistically pretentious and those are the worst ever.
You can call the police, but this just makes me more depressed, why can't I just be happy and mind my fuck*ng business in peace?

 

[bFre3]

False promises of 'it will get better'. If I tell them it still hasn't come, the only answer they give is 'wait more'.

I'm tired of waiting.

 

[Meteora]

@bFre3 exactely

If you somehow get to see my appearance, I'll be the first

For sure not. There s only ugly characters and they can be hidden in a appealing body. But fortunately, they just need to open their mouth and you instantly know where you stand with them.

I think people should concern themselves less with how they look and more with how they think. I think the world would be a very very different place if they would do so. Why do we even have mirrors!? Vanity! I mean, they even used to call them that.

I fully agree.

Beauty comes from within, ugliness cannot be hidden no matter how many layers of plaster one applies to their face.

Agreed.

Of course there is also the element of goodness or badness, a good character can be intelligent and also a bad character can be intelligent. I will revise my .. preferences, I like intelligent and GOOD people. : )

:)

 

[Blue Elephant]

I just had a fourth appointment with a new psychiatrist.
It is so very clear I have to ctb.
These people will never really help or understand. Never.
I will slowly lower my meds and I m pretty sure I will easily come to the point where I get very suicidal.
Just have to make sure I m 100% ready with the method. Don't think I ll be very rational without meds.
I pray I will finally do it.
My New Year's resolution was killing myself finally. I even wrote it on a paper to always remind me.

Sorry for venting.

There are people who listen to you because they want to help and there are people who listen to you because they are being payed to. In addition to that, I came to realize that one has to experience your pain (or something similar) in order for them to understand what you're going through. It's like fire, you know it will burn you if you put your hand in it but you will never really understand that until you actually do get burned.

 

[Meteora]

It depends on whether you are mentally and emotionally healthy or not,

I m speaking of people like here on SaSu.

When you have a lot of problems, they all blend together and compound each other. There isn't enough to compensate for all the deterioration, especially as someone who won't have a family.

I agree. It simply gets too much and facing it all alone doesn't make it easier.

But now you're assuming I hate them. Wtf!? Why? Who do you think I hate women? What is the "crap" that you say I'm spouting?

Because of the way you spoke. You said, "Darling.....". Was a way of belittling a woman. But you are excused, you are Romanian, lol. (Don't hit me for this, pls )

It's not cowardice, whatever people say. If anything it's fucking smart to just leave rather than to stick around based on whatever your reason is. We're also not taught that's in an option in life until we learn about it. It's fine to leave, people tend to just make a huge deal about life like it's something sacred.

Yeah, you are right..... very true what you say.

There are people who listen to you because they want to help and there are people who listen to you because they are being payed to. In addition to that, I came to realize that one has to experience your pain (or something similar) in order for them to understand what you're going through. It's like fire, you know it will burn you if you put your hand in it but you will never really understand that until you actually do get burned.

Very true words...... but it any time I experience it catches me off guard.... guess I m stupid with scarcity value.

Dude, did you ever see how the elderly die for natural reasons? It is horrible, my grandparents deaths were so disgusting.

I don't think that's disgusting. It's natural. I don't think old people are ugly. There is young people who have a very ugly aura. But actually, I don't judge people by the appearance. (I only judge myself for it).

 

[Blue Elephant]

Because of the way you spoke. You said, "Darling.....". Was a way of belittling a woman. But you are excused, you are Romanian, lol. (Don't hit me for this, pls )

It is something that older, mature, wiser women say to younger ones. I always wanted to say that! : )

It is true that it made me sound a bit patronizing though. However, that was not my intention, I did not mean to be mean. I'm sorry about that. Maybe I'm getting old and cranky. : /

Don't worry about it, I'm used to it. : )

 

[divinemistress36]

There are various viewpoints to this question. From a religious and spiritual context , you get more time as a human being. It is said that human birth is like a "tool" to be utilised to get Nirvana, Moksha , enlightenment.

From a practical viewpoint, one gets time to work on themselves and try to make a good living. Mc Donald's owner became successful at age 60+.

But I believe the ultimate outcome of every life is death. And if one has truly become detached from this world and doesn't have an iota of attachment to what this world has to offer , they should have the option to exit in a painless way.

I agree well said . I have no attachments to this world except food so it's hard for me to understand how everyone else does

 

[Meteora]

It is something that older, mature, wiser women say to younger ones. I always wanted to say that! : )

It is true that it made me sound a bit patronizing though. However, that was not my intention, I did not mean to be mean. I'm sorry about that. Maybe I'm getting old and cranky. : /

Don't worry about it, I'm used to it. : )

Are you a female?

The joke about Romania was a bit mean but it is true that they have a very mysoginistic culture (just like Italians).

 

[divinemistress36]

I feel like I'm just becoming more mentally ill as time goes on. I live with my retired parents and they have all this time and money on their hands to finally go have fun in life yet all they do is waste it on stupid projects around the house and obsessively cleaning

 

[Meteora]

I feel like I'm just becoming more mentally ill as time goes on. I live with my retired parents and they have all this time and money on their hands to finally go have fun in life yet all they do is waste it on stupid projects around the house and obsessively cleaning

I feel that. Same with my parents (well, mother, father has died).

 

[divinemistress36]

I feel that. Same with my parents (well, mother, father has died).

It makes no sense like go to the casino or bingo parties and cruises or whatever old people do to go have fun

 

[Meteora]

It makes no sense like go to the casino or bingo parties and cruises or whatever old people do to go have fun

Exactely...... totally redundant.

 

[Blue Elephant]

Are you a female?

The joke about Romania was a bit mean but it is true that they have a very mysoginistic culture (just like Italians).

I'm a Male.

The joke was not necessarily mean, it is kind of true. But I'll get back to you. I have to meet a friend now. Enjoy your evening ladies! \o

 

[Meteora]

I'm a Male.

Ah ok.
No it was not mean but patronizingly. Which is not nice.
Have fun.

 

[DEATH IS FREEDOM]

Life expectancy is too high. To live 80 to 90 years is too long - it leads to many ailments and diseases. Growing old is the worst thing that can happen to a person. And what does the cause of death matter? We will all be dead in the future. It is the society that has created the taboo of suicide.

 

[divinemistress36]

Life expectancy is too high. To live 80 to 90 years is too long - it leads to many ailments and diseases. Growing old is the worst thing that can happen to a person. And what does the cause of death matter? We will all be dead in the future. It is the society that has created the taboo of suicide.

Most people are terried of death so they want to live as long as possible regardless of much they will decay

 

[Blue Elephant]

Ah ok.
No it was not mean but patronizingly. Which is not nice.
Have fun.

I did not take any offense, I know you mean well, it seems like you are a nice person. : )

And you are right.

Even if you say something mean to me I might not get angry, I try not to. If what you say is true then I am grateful for pointing a flaw in my behaviour and I would thank you for offering me the chance to improve myself, to become a better person, if what you say is false then I have no reason to get angry because .. it's false. : )

I don't like Italians (in general) either, their ego is the size of Jupiter. ; )

I feel like I'm just becoming more mentally ill as time goes on. I live with my retired parents and they have all this time and money on their hands to finally go have fun in life yet all they do is waste it on stupid projects around the house and obsessively cleaning

Hei! I do stupid projects around the house and obsessively clean! ; p

But .. I don't have many reasons to live, I don't know what to do and when I do something I'm slow and I have OCD and it takes ages for me to finish it. : (

It makes no sense like go to the casino or bingo parties and cruises or whatever old people do to go have fun

I have an idea, why don't you tell them that if they don't spend their money on travelling and/or going out then maybe they should give you some so you could do it instead!

Most people are terried of death so they want to live as long as possible regardless of much they will decay

Are we terrified of death or are we terrified of the experience? I would say it's the experience. Many people around here would like to die and their primary concern is finding a method which hurts less.

Normies are terrified of the experience but they are also programmed to think that death is a bad thing. Death is not necessarily a bad thing, it could be, but it could also be a good thing.

 

[F@#$]

We get prolonged misery, enjoy!

 

[BlendedHeart]

Most people eats hopes and platitudes like Scooby Snacks.

That's what fuels them. The hope for something better that may or may not come, and some words of encouragement that have little to no value in real life.

 

[GreenOctober]

A pizza party

 

[divinemistress36]

I did not take any offense, I know you mean well, it seems like you are a nice person. : )

And you are right.

Even if you say something mean to me I might not get angry, I try not to. If what you say is true then I am grateful for pointing a flaw in my behaviour and I would thank you for offering me the chance to improve myself, to become a better person, if what you say is false then I have no reason to get angry because .. it's false. : )

I don't like Italians (in general) either, their ego is the size of Jupiter. ; )


Hei! I do stupid projects around the house and obsessively clean! ; p

But .. I don't have many reasons to live, I don't know what to do and when I do something I'm slow and I have OCD and it takes ages for me to finish it. : (


I have an idea, why don't you tell them that if they don't spend their money on travelling and/or going out then maybe they should give you some so you could do it instead!


Are we terrified of death or are we terrified of the experience? I would say it's the experience. Many people around here would like to die and their primary concern is finding a method which hurts less.

Normies are terrified of the experience but they are also programmed to think that death is a bad thing. Death is not necessarily a bad thing, it could be, but it could also be a good thing.

The experience definitely a lot of anxiety and possible pain . Death is itself isn't scary

 

[Rubypie41]

It's perfectly natural to want to live a long, healthy and happy life. We have in-built survival instincts and chemicals in our brains that make us feel pleasure, reward, happiness, ambition etc.

I look at some of my friends who are very happily married, have amazing children and an overall amazing life that they are unbelievably happy with, so why wouldn't they want to continue experiencing this happiness for as long as possible.

If you're happy, have purpose and find genuine enjoyment from life then you should absolutely 100% live life to the fullest.

Not everyone is in that situation though. We are all individuals, have different circumstances, different genetics etc. and unfortunately for some they just never find their purpose, happiness or enjoyment, which is sad but that's just the way it is.

The best example I can give is in my younger days I experimented with various recreational drugs (mostly ecstasy) and that gave me an insight into how damn happy you can actually be (artificial of course), but it made me think how people are wired up differently. If someone has a natural high serotonin level for example (which is the neurotransmitter ecstasy releases), then they probably walk around in a much more happy, sociable, outgoing, loveable and empathetic way, so they love how they feel and love life. Someone on the opposite end of the spectrum with low serotonin levels will walk around depressed, socially awkward, introverted, negative etc.

We are all wired up slightly differently, have different genetic traits, different circumstances, so many variables.

End of day if you're happy and healthy, then you would want to continue being happy and healthy.

Not true for everyone due to some of the reasons stated.

 

[divinemistress36]

It's perfectly natural to want to live a long, healthy and happy life. We have in-built survival instincts and chemicals in our brains that make us feel pleasure, reward, happiness, ambition etc.

I look at some of my friends who are very happily married, have amazing children and an overall amazing life that they are unbelievably happy with, so why wouldn't they want to continue experiencing this happiness for as long as possible.

If you're happy, have purpose and find genuine enjoyment from life then you should absolutely 100% live life to the fullest.

Not everyone is in that situation though. We are all individuals, have different circumstances, different genetics etc. and unfortunately for some they just never find their purpose, happiness or enjoyment, which is sad but that's just the way it is.

The best example I can give is in my younger days I experimented with various recreational drugs (mostly ecstasy) and that gave me an insight into how damn happy you can actually be (artificial of course), but it made me think I how people are wired up differently. If someone has a natural high serotonin level for example (which is the neurotransmitter ecstasy releases), then they probably walk around in a much more happy, sociable, outgoing, loveable and empathetic way, so they love how they feel and love life. Someone on the opposite end of the spectrum with low serotonin levels will walk around depressed, socially awkward, introverted, negative etc.

We are all wired up slightly differently, have different genetic traits, different circumstances, so many variables.

End of day if you're happy and healthy, then you would want to continue being happy and healthy.

Not true for everyone due to some of the reasons stated.

I'm so jealous of people with high serotonin levels