Discussion Vexatious posts have become a thing round here ...

[Forever Sleep]

Once again you miss my point. It's not being 'triggered' to object to personal invalidating attacks. I'm not walking away from someone who is calling me all of the above. That is not acceptable behaviour. I'm not asking FC to justify anything. Just desist from the name calling. She is at total liberty to think and say whatever she wants, but if she personally attacks demeans and invalidates me then yes I will call her out. This behaviour has been going unchecked for a long time and is the thin end of a dangerous wedge. It's escalating, others see it and want to act the same and the impact on the forum isn't good. If everyone 'just walks away' the issue isn't dealt with. Either a behaviour is acceptable for all? Or it's not acceptable for anyone.

Fair enough.

 

[freedompass]

So?

That one particular poster quoted me when I was not talking to them. They made a point of emphasizing that they are happIER and I'm calling bullshit. If they're so damn happy, why are they following me all over the board playing the fucking martyr? Go be happIER!

You directly quoted and addressed me then denied that you were talking to me citing being drunk. I emphasised I was happiER because I was being attacked for claiming to be happy. That's a subtle but important distinction. Should I in future use a trigger warning if I ever have cause to use the h word again?

 

[SamTam33]

You directly quoted and addressed me then denied that you were talking to me citing being drunk. I emphasised I was happiER because I was being attacked for claiming to be happy. That's a subtle but important distinction. Should I in future use a trigger warning if I ever have cause to use the h word again?

I replied to Blazing Bob. Then you quoted my reply and we've been going at it ever since.

I wasn't talking about you when I quoted Bob. I identified the post I was referring to. The thread was deleted. I can't remember the poster's name.

But as the saying goes, "A hit dog will holler."

AGAIN - I don't know your posting history or your story but I don't believe a happIER person would be here arguing with me for hours over a statement that was not specifically directed towards them.

 

[Mr_House]

>Why do we even exist as a species… what did we do to deserve this chicanery?​

 

[freedompass]

I replied to Blazing Bob. Then you quoted my reply and we've been going at it ever since.

I wasn't talking about you when I quoted Bob. I identified the post I was referring to. The thread was deleted. I can't remember the poster's name.

But as the saying goes, "A hit dog will holler."

AGAIN - I don't know your posting history or your story but I don't believe a happIER person would be here arguing with me for hours over a statement that was not specifically directed towards them.

To quote what you said to me earlier 'this is not about you!' But it seems you are unable to read or grasp my longer arguments and responses. Which makes sense given that - in your mind - I am simply wrong as is anyone else who doesn't subscribe to the view that life is completely and totally shit for everyone and if we don't wanna die right now we're delusional insane liars.

I can see why FC and you may be birds of a feather. And as I said in the 5 line comment that triggered so much rage - good luck with that. I wish you the best.

 

[Samsal112]

Does the bad cancel all the good? Does the good cancel all the bad? IDK. It's just opinions.

I have no idea what this thread is about, but I have been reading through it. I was trying to quote the person whiterabbit was responding to as well, but couldn't figure it out haha. But, this is something that has been on my mind for a while now, and I stopped coming to this site for a while because of it. I think there is a big difference in perspective of suicide compared in different age groups, places in life, effort (I know no one wants to hear that), and reason for ctb. WhiteRabbit is right in that the world isn't necessarily this big scary place we should all want to leave. People find reasons for staying and that is their prerogative. It is all perspective and people who want to commit suicide are not necessarily in the right. If it wasn't for my illness, I would LOVE to stay alive. Compared to living with this physical pain every day, every other problem in my life seems trivial. If molesting children bothers me so much, I would start to actively do something to help even if it is volunteering at a place that attempts to prevent such things rather than sitting in my room complaining about how bad the world is. I don't like the treatment of Hispanic students, particularly males, in the American school system, so I did something about it--I teach at the middle school level, research, got a Phd to open doors of places I can volunteer or work at, and plan on taking it further next year regardless of my illness. I see so many immature posts on here because people want to believe that wanting to die is right and should be fostered. I responded to a silly post about the Bill of Rights and suicide. I didn't respond to the reply because it was silly. We can all want to die, and although I still firmly hold the belief that euthanasia should be legal with restrictions of course, I know it is important to stay grounded and not just believe or say silly things that make me feel better about myself and about wanting to kill myself. I know that WhiteRabbit and are here for similar reasons and that is our health. When it's your health, you get a different perspective of life. Even with all its bad, there is so much beauty in it. That's not to say that YOU should think the same, but then let's all be adults and agree that perspectives are valid without trying to convince everyone that the world is bad.

 

[SamTam33]

To quote what you said to me earlier 'this is not about you!' But it seems you are unable to read or grasp my longer arguments and responses. Which makes sense given that - in your mind - I am simply wrong as is anyone else who doesn't subscribe to the view that life is completely and totally shit for everyone and if we don't wanna die right now we're delusional insane liars.

I can see why FC and you may be birds of a feather. And as I said in the 5 line comment that triggered so much rage - good luck with that. I wish you the best.

That's what this is really about: you (and Chinny) are pissed that people agree with FC.

You'll get over it. You have no choice.

 

[freedompass]

That's what this is really about: you (and Chinny) are pissed that people agree with FC.

You'll get over it. You have no choice.

Ah I see you are incapable of grasping the topic of the thread and my repeated clarifications of why I am arguing. You are reported multiple times for demeaning language and inflammatory remarks, just so you know.

 

[SamTam33]

Ah I see you are incapable of grasping the topic of the thread and my repeated clarifications of why I am arguing. You are reported multiple times for demeaning language and inflammatory remarks, just so you know.

And you are not happIER. Just so you know. You're a mess. Just like the rest of us.

 

[rationaltake]

So?

That one particular poster quoted me when I was not talking to them. They made a point of emphasizing that they are happIER and I'm calling bullshit. If they're so damn happy, why are they following me all over the board playing the fucking martyr? Go be happIER!

No member has to justify their subjective experience to you.

 

[freedompass]

I have no idea what this thread is about, but I have been reading through it. I was trying to quote the person whiterabbit was responding to as well, but couldn't figure it out haha. But, this is something that has been on my mind for a while now, and I stopped coming to this site for a while because of it. I think there is a big difference in perspective of suicide compared in different age groups, places in life, effort (I know no one wants to hear that), and reason for ctb. WhiteRabbit is right in that the world isn't necessarily this big scary place we should all want to leave. People find reasons for staying and that is their prerogative. It is all perspective and people who want to commit suicide are not necessarily in the right. If it wasn't for my illness, I would LOVE to stay alive. Compared to living with this physical pain every day, every other problem in my life seems trivial. If molesting children bothers me so much, I would start to actively do something to help even if it is volunteering at a place that attempts to prevent such things rather than sitting in my room complaining about how bad the world is. I don't like the treatment of Hispanic students, particularly males, in the American school system, so I did something about it--I teach at the middle school level, research, got a Phd to open doors of places I can volunteer or work at, and plan on taking it further next year regardless of my illness. I see so many immature posts on here because people want to believe that wanting to die is right and should be fostered. I responded to a silly post about the Bill of Rights and suicide. I didn't respond to the reply because it was silly. We can all want to die, and although I still firmly hold the belief that euthanasia should be legal with restrictions of course, I know it is important to stay grounded and not just believe or say silly things that make me feel better about myself and about wanting to kill myself. I know that WhiteRabbit and are here for similar reasons and that is our health. When it's your health, you get a different perspective of life. Even with all its bad, there is so much beauty in it. That's not to say that YOU should think the same, but then let's all be adults and agree that perspectives are valid without trying to convince everyone that the world is bad.

Thank you so much for a welcome and timely injection of sanity. I concur with everything you said. And 'silly' is right. If everyone here simply observes basic ground rules such as respecting differences and refraining from personal attacks there should be no need to revisit this nonsense and we can all move on.

 

[SamTam33]

No member has to justify their subjective experience to you.

Agreed. And I've never asked anyone to.

 

[freedompass]

And you are not happIER. Just so you know. You're a mess. Just like the rest of us.

Ok so you are inside my head living my life. How else can you tell me I'm not happier than in the past. (Based on zero data). You're actually me and I'm you so let's be friends, have fun and play.

 

[SamTam33]

Ok so you are inside my head living my life. How else can you tell me I'm not happier than in the past. (Based on zero data). You're actually me and I'm you so let's be friends, have fun and play.

Your actions speak louder than words.

You refused to accept my explanation that I wasn't originally talking to you.

You refused to accept my virtual hug (?!)

The words don't match the actions

 

[Chinaski]

You'll get over it. You have no choice.

Weird thing to post, which does kind of correlate with the frequency with which the handful of "suicide is great, everyone who doesn't do it is insane" posters make attempts at ostracising and othering forum members who do not subscribe to this crap as "prolife trolls" who aren't even suicidal, mean bullies for politely disagreeing, etc etc. I get that it would appear to you that forum hegemony has been established in the favour of these posts given the way this conduct is essentially encouraged but it's probably inaccurate to assume a forum consensus on the basis of a small handful of members who repeatedly make the same identikit posts.

 

[freedompass]

Your actions speak louder than words.

You refused to accept my explanation that I wasn't originally talking to you.

You refused to accept my virtual hug (?!)

The words don't match the actions

We can have the hug now, no problem friend

 

[SamTam33]

Weird thing to post, which does kind of correlate with the frequency with which the handful of "suicide is great, everyone who doesn't do it is insane" posters make attempts at ostracising and othering forum members who do not subscribe to this crap as "prolife trolls" who aren't even suicidal, mean bullies for politely disagreeing, etc etc. I get that it would appear to you that forum hegemony has been established in the favour of these posts given the way this conduct is essentially encouraged but it's probably inaccurate to assume a forum consensus on the basis of a small handful of members who repeatedly make the same identikit posts.

You're the victim of some nefarious SS plot to take you down and elevate your opposition to Supreme Knight status, huh?

I bet you write fan-fiction where you're the hero.

We can have the hug now, no problem friend

 

[freedompass]

Suicide is great. Everyone who doesn't do it is insane.

This should be stickied

You're the victim of some nefarious SS plot to take you down and elevate your opposition to Supreme Knight status, huh?

I bet you write fan-fiction where you're the hero.

That's called a hug offensive. Like a charm offensive but better

 

[Chinaski]

You're the victim of some nefarious SS plot to take you down and elevate your opposition to Supreme Knight status, huh?

Not really, l mean, you don't see me pretending to be bullied and routinely attempting to whip up forum opprobrium towards those who politely disagree with my 'absolute truth' tbf

 

[SamTam33]

Not really, l mean, you don't see me pretending to be bullied and routinely attempting to whip up forum opprobrium towards those who politely disagree with my 'absolute truth' tbf

I mainly see you sniffing after FC and whining about people who got banned.

 

[Chinaski]

I mainly see you sniffing after FC and whining about people who got banned.

You might want to check my interactions with the people who were banned in such a scenario, doesn't check out

 

[SamTam33]

You might want to check my interactions with the people who were banned in such a scenario, doesn't check out

Whatever. I'm just going by what I see you complaining about.

 

[freedompass]

You might want to check my interactions with the people who were banned in such a scenario, doesn't check out

I'd be very interested to see those. Guess I check your post history?

 

[rationaltake]

Weird thing to post, which does kind of correlate with the frequency with which the handful of "suicide is great, everyone who doesn't do it is insane" posters make attempts at ostracising and othering forum members who do not subscribe to this crap as "prolife trolls" who aren't even suicidal, mean bullies for politely disagreeing, etc etc. I get that it would appear to you that forum hegemony has been established in the favour of these posts given the way this conduct is essentially encouraged but it's probably inaccurate to assume a forum consensus on the basis of a small handful of members who repeatedly make the same identikit posts.

From reading various threads the majority of this forum is populated by diverse members expressing their real thoughts and experiences who don't give a flying fuck about the "suicide is wonderful" theory and couldn't care less about the playground antics of the copypasta brigade trying to police everyone else.

Most members on here - as in real life - focus on their own concerns and don't feel the need to quash any and every disagreement with their position in order to shore up their own views.