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Pro-lifers are generally good people who support the family unit and have a deep sense of the sacredness of life. They're probably too good for this shit world. My cynical self thinks abortion is probably a necessary evil to prevent children from being born to horrible cracked-out promiscuous single mothers who will just abuse and neglect them and make another highly dysfunctional member of society that will further erode whatever good is left in it. So I'm unfortunately kind of in favor of the sick practice of abortion. I respect those who are of the opinion that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, although I also can't help but think: With all the evil shit the left is doing in America right now, aren't there more important issues to fight them on?
 
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Pro-lifers are generally good people who support the family unit and have a deep sense of the sacredness of life. They're probably too good for this shit world. My cynical self thinks abortion is probably a necessary evil to prevent children from being born to horrible cracked-out promiscuous single mothers who will just abuse and neglect them and make another highly dysfunctional member of society that will further erode whatever good is left in it. So I'm unfortunately kind of in favor of the sick practice of abortion. I respect those who are of the opinion that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, although I also can't help but think: With all the evil shit the left is doing in America right now, aren't there more important issues to fight them on?
this 100%. ive got a few friends with shitty parents and said parents weren't planning to have them. i know there are unprepared parents out there who are nice to their kids, but im just thinking of all the kids who are suicidal and are in a bad place because their parents regret having them so much and keep shoving their anger and disappointment on themselves onto their surprise kids. depressing situations like that would be mitigated if abortion were legal.

anyway, the gist is that we all really need better healthcare and quality of life, i guess.
 
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Discourage sex with others by providing AI sex dolls that can morph into anyone one fancies.
 
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The opposite is actually happening, it surprises me that in America they haven't legalized pedophilia and zoophilia
Lmao yes, they galvanize the NPCs with some bullshit story about political reaction while the left is doing crazier shit on the side every day. They basically want to fuck us over and have us say that it was good too. We can't have meaningful political impact and if we try is the resurrection of fascism. Like fuck off, you guys are fucking extremists either way, YOU made us extreme, you are going for our throats.
Maybe with a patriarchy in place you would have a better shot at losing your virginity.
My issue lies more with a health problem causing social isolation but yes, there's something wrong with modernity.

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Lmao yes, they galvanize the NPCs with some bullshit story about political reaction while the left is doing crazier shit on the side every day. They basically want to fuck us over and have us say that it was good too. We can't have meaningful political impact and if we try is the resurrection of fascism. Like fuck off, you guys are fucking extremists either way, YOU made us extreme, you are going for our throats. You made us ashamed of our history, you destroyed the family, you

My issue lies more with a health problem causing social isolation but yes, the sexual revolution screwed some men over. Men virginity is on the rise.
I can relate somewhat to the health shit acting as an obstacle. It doesn't help that women dress sexier than ever. Being a male virgin is probably more tolerable when people dress modestly. Add no accessible porn to the picture and you've got a more relaxed populace that doesn't feel they're missing out anything.
 
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As usual the media is creating hysteria over nothing. Even while Roe v Wade has been in place states have been passing their own laws on abortion. Heartbeat bills have passed in a few red states. That is because RVW is not law and it has always been a states issue and always should be. SCOTUS does not make law. OP said it themself…it was an opinion and the the "constitutional" basis for it was very very flimsy. The federal government can't pass a law denying a baby its basic right to life. Nothing trumps our right to life. They have been using color of law all these years to make it look like the feds have authority when they do not. Overturning the opinion will make no difference. There will still be many states that have easy access to abortion and some states are even passing laws allowing post birth abortion.

We should be teaching children to be responsible, use birth control or abstain, stop promoting hook up culture. There should be exceptions for rape, incest, medical issues preventing mother from delivering etc. That is only a small percentage of abortions. Some states have made laws that the person performing the abortion has to have admitting privileges at a hospital. I think that is a good idea because all women actually do not currently have access to safe abortions. That is another media lie. Look into ? Gosnall. He was a sicko abortion doctor.

Why are people worried about religious people not liking birth control? You can still use birth control. No one is stopping you. No one is proposing banning birth control. I grew up religious and always lived in a red state and have never met anyone in my life who was against using birth control much less against other people using it. Anyone opposed to it must be in the fringe minority.

I would add that I do think we need to look at the full picture here in red states. Banning abortion outright without having proper education for children, exceptions, better adoption system, and social programs in place would be bad. I think a baby has the right to live but it should also have the right to end it's life peacefully once it is grown up.
 
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It's amazing to me that there are pro-lifers ("pro-birthers" would be a more apt term, but I digress) in a suicide forum. It's also fun to see how many misogynists and incels there are around here.
 
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A lot of people are going to be angry they can't murder their own children anymore
 
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If pro lifers actually, truly cared about babies, prenatal checkups, c-sections, daycare and university would be universally funded.

This is about oppression of women. Nothing else.
It's amazing to me that there are pro-lifers ("pro-birthers" would be a more apt term, but I digress) in a suicide forum. It's also fun to see how many misogynists and incels there are around here.
I know right?

Can't they see that the right to make your own healthcare decisions when it comes to abortion is THE VERY SAME RIGHT they demand to end their life with a medically assisted death?

Abortion is healthcare.
So is medical assistance in dying.

This is about bodily autonomy and the right to make your own decisions.

Something doesn't compute with these RWNJs.
 

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If pro lifers actually, truly cared about babies, prenatal checkups, c-sections, daycare and university would be universally funded.

This is about oppression of women. Nothing else.

I know right?

Can't they see that the right to make your own healthcare decisions when it comes to abortion is THE VERY SAME RIGHT they demand to end their life with a medically assisted death?

Abortion is healthcare.
So is medical assistance in dying.

This is about bodily autonomy and the right to make your own decisions.

Something doesn't compute with these RWNJs.

Imagine the song "we don't talk anymore " except the lyrics are changed to "you can't kill anymore , you can't kill anymore like you used to dooooo"

This is going to be burned into your baby murdering skull for quite some time until there is some big change in the court. You're going to have to get over it
 
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All perfectly valid reasons. Also, this graph doesn't make any sense.

The opposite is actually happening, it surprises me that in America they haven't legalized pedophilia and zoophilia
What @BracketsHTML said, but do also remember that conservatives (and pro-birthers by extension) make up the majority of pedophilia cases. Take one look at the Catholic church for instance. But I suppose that's different because those people conform to your worldview?

Bring back the patriarchy.
It's hard to bring back something that never left in the first place. The vast majority of the world, including the US, is still very patriarchal.

And hookup culture will finally die. Maybe meaningful, long term relationships will make a comeback. The family unit will be strong and society can rebuild.
So it's not about the "life" of the "child" (really just a lump of non-conscious cells not anymore alive than your average gut bacteria), but about infringing people's sex lives? What consenting adults do together is nothing of anyone's concern, even if you don't agree with it. I, for instance, think that furry culture is disgusting, but I have no right to tell consenting adults that they can't do something that doesn't hurt anyone.

Maybe with a patriarchy in place you would have a better shot at losing your virginity.
Yes, sex slavery is such a great idea, isn't it? Women aren't conscious beings with emotions, right? No one owes anyone sex. No woman, man, or non-binary person owes any woman, man, or non-binary person sex.

Listen, dude, it's clear to me that you're upset about being a virgin. Trust me, it's nothing to be ashamed or upset about. Society makes a big deal about it, but it's dumb, like many things society makes huge deals about. Also, the best sex you can have is with yourself because you know exactly what you yourself enjoy.

A lot of people are going to be angry they can't murder their own children anymore
There is no child involved.

This is going to be burned into your baby murdering skull for quite some time until there is some big change in the court. You're going to have to get over it
Again, no baby is involved in the process.

If pro lifers actually, truly cared about babies, prenatal checkups, c-sections, daycare and university would be universally funded.

This is about oppression of women. Nothing else.
I once read a passage from the Bible to a Christian acquaintance of mine without telling them where it was from. Hoh boy did she get upset about the "filth" that was written in that book. I then told her what said book was and she backpedaled really quick. She, of course, lacked any argument about why it was different and just called me names.

It's amazing to me how few religious people ever bothered to read their own sacred scripture, but then again it's easier to believe in a benevolent God when you aren't aware of all the horrors He has pulled on a whim (slaughtering thousands of innocent children is just one of the highlights).

Edit: I misread your message, my apologies, but I'll keep this up because it's still important.

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I probably missed a few messages I wanted to respond to, but whatever.
 
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All perfectly valid reasons. Also, this graph doesn't make any sense.


What @BracketsHTML said, but do also remember that conservatives (and pro-birthers by extension) make up the majority of pedophilia cases. Take one look at the Catholic church for instance. But I suppose that's different because those people conform to your worldview?


It's hard to bring back something that never left in the first place. The vast majority of the world, including the US, is still very patriarchal.


So it's not about the "life" of the "child" (really just a lump of non-conscious cells not anymore alive than your average gut bacteria), but about infringing people's sex lives? What consenting adults do together is nothing of anyone's concern, even if you don't agree with it. I, for instance, think that furry culture is disgusting, but I have no right to tell consenting adults that they can't do something that doesn't hurt anyone.


Yes, sex slavery is such a great idea, isn't it? Women aren't conscious beings with emotions, right? No one owes anyone sex. No woman, man, or non-binary person owes any woman, man, or non-binary person sex.

Listen, dude, it's clear to me that you're upset about being a virgin. Trust me, it's nothing to be ashamed or upset about. Society makes a big deal about it, but it's dumb, like many things society makes huge deals about. Also, the best sex you can have is with yourself because you know exactly what you yourself enjoy.


There is no child involved.


Again, no baby is involved in the process.


I once read a passage from the Bible to a Christian acquaintance of mine without telling them where it was from. Hoh boy did she get upset about the "filth" that was written in that book. I then told her what said book was and she backpedaled really quick. She, of course, lacked any argument about why it was different and just called me names.

It's amazing to me how few religious people ever bothered to read their own sacred scripture, but then again it's easier to believe in a benevolent God when you aren't aware of all the horrors He has pulled on a whim (slaughtering thousands of innocent children is just one of the highlights).

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I probably missed a few messages I wanted to respond to, but whatever.

There is nothing you can do to change the fact that coat hangers are coming back

For at least a brief period of time
 
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There is nothing you can do to change the fact that coat hangers are coming back
You're right, I can't do much about the laws of a country across the Atlantic. However, that does in no shape or form mean I should be quiet about blatant injustice and oppression.

It seems to me that you realize that abortions will still occur, only they will be much more dangerous and harmful to everyone involved. So let me ask you why it is you are so against making safe abortion accessible?
 
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You're right, I can't do much about the laws of a country across the Atlantic. However, that does in no shape or form mean I should be quiet about blatant injustice and oppression.

It seems to me that you realize that abortions will still occur, only they will be much more dangerous and harmful to everyone involved. So let me ask you why it is you are so against making safe abortion accessible?

Because murder is murder, period.

You will eat your children.

 
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I find it so ironic that for a country that is so adamant about keeping the government out of peoples business want the government to interfere in something that is really a private medical issue between a woman and her doctor. But that's the American right wing for you there is no limit to their hypocrisy
 
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If pro lifers actually, truly cared about babies, prenatal checkups, c-sections, daycare and university would be universally funded.

This is about oppression of women. Nothing else.

I know right?

Can't they see that the right to make your own healthcare decisions when it comes to abortion is THE VERY SAME RIGHT they demand to end their life with a medically assisted death?

Abortion is healthcare.
So is medical assistance in dying.

This is about bodily autonomy and the right to make your own decisions.

Something doesn't compute with these RWNJs.

The problem with abortion - or anything else, for that matter - is that you would need to force someone else to carry out the action that you wish to happen, which, in this case, is abortion. What if no one wants to be a doctor or a nurse...?

Not having sex and an unplanned pregnancy is free, and you won't be a drag on society's resources.
 
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I find it so ironic that for a country that is so adamant about keeping the government out of peoples business want the government to interfere in something that is really a private medical issue between a woman and her doctor. But that's the American right wing for you there is no limit to their hypocrisy

Most governments prohibit murder.
 
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Because murder is murder, period.
So by that logic, whenever someone masturbates or menstruates, they are murdering a "child"?

Most governments prohibit murder.
Not the US. They are very happy with murdering innocent people abroad as well as their own citizens. The American police force is practically immune to murder/manslaughter charges and need I mention the death penalty?

The problem with abortion - or anything else, for that matter - is that you would need to force someone else to carry out the action that you wish to happen, which, in this case, is abortion.

Not having sex and an unplanned pregnancy is free.
Exactly who do you force to carry out an abortion? The doctor?
 
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The problem with abortion - or anything else, for that matter - is that you would need to force someone else to carry out the action that you wish to happen, which, in this case, is abortion. What if no one wants to be a doctor or a nurse...?

Not having sex and an unplanned pregnancy is free.
There is nobody forcing doctors who provide healthcare willingly.

Plenty of medical professionals understand that abortion is healthcare and readily provide it.

The same is applicable to Medical Assistance in Dying. Those who object are obligated to refer to a provider who is happy and able to provide treatment.

Easy solution. Nobody forces anyone.
 
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Exactly who do you force to carry out an abortion? The doctor?

No one should be forced to do anything - but going by your point of view, I agree that abortion should be legal, given that there is a doctor or nurse who can do the procedure safely, and that the woman can pay for it herself. This doesn't mean that abortion should be a "right".
 
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Thank you to the creators of this forum for including the "ignore" function. It's getting a workout today a with all the RWNJs and incels popping up. 🙏
 
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So by that logic, whenever someone masturbates or menstruates, they are murdering a "child"?


Not the US. They are very happy with murdering innocent people abroad as well as their own citizens. The American police force is practically immune to murder/manslaughter charges and need I mention the death penalty?


Exactly who do you force to carry out an abortion? The doctor?

Governments prohibit murder generally within the confines of their own borders. You're not wrong about the murder they are doing abroad

Shortly now murder will be illegal again in dozens of US states. Margaret sangers eugenics dream appears to be dead in the US
 
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It's amazing to me that there are pro-lifers ("pro-birthers" would be a more apt term, but I digress) in a suicide forum. It's also fun to see how many misogynists and incels there are around here.
Did you know that this site was started by two infamous incels? Look up "Serge incel suicide forum". Dark origins! A nice story for a miniseries, not gonna lie.

The left has more combatants/brainwashed drones here for sure. It's quite comical that anyone would think the forum is friendly to incels or the right-wing. It just has very lax moderation because the mods are depressed and suicidal themselves.
 
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No one should be forced to do anything - but going by your point of view, I agree that abortion should be legal, given that there is a doctor or nurse who can do the procedure safely, and that the woman can pay for it herself. This doesn't mean that abortion should be a "right".
Healthcare is a human right.
Abortion is healthcare.
if you expect women to pay, so should men. After all it takes two.
 
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Healthcare is a human right.
Abortion is healthcare.
if you expect women to pay, so should men. After all it takes two.
No, you fucked up, you pay. You got filled with semen and irresponsibly waited for weeks or months to act, so if you want to suppress that life pay for it.

Ah yes, the man should pay too, that makes sense. He's equally responsible.
 
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Did you know that this site was started by two infamous incels? Look up "Serge incel suicide forum". Dark origins! A nice story for a miniseries, not gonna lie.

The left has more combatants/brainwashed drones here for sure. It's quite comical that anyone would think the forum is friendly to incels or the right-wing. It just has very lax moderation because the mods are depressed and suicidal themselves.
I didn't know that. Thank you for telling me, it's an interesting fact.

What I meant was that it's odd to me how people on a suicide forum could paradoxically be pro-birthers. The misogynist and incel aspects of it just come with every community, there's not a whole lot to be done there.
 
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Nevah 4get.
 
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Nevah 4get.
If that is supposed to be a counterargument to saying that abortion is healthcare, then that's a major strawman that ultimately has nothing to do with the argument.
 
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