The SN mindfuck

[Vizzy]

Here is one of reports from link with painful cases:
"I tried s n it was the most pain I've ever been in In my life so much vomiting and pain"

Also there are cases which can't breathe, which is not peaceful.

You can read this post with symptoms with percentage of chances for each symptom and find out that there are different symptoms for everyone. Also in this compilation of failed cases for some people it was totally peaceful while for some people it was discomforting, which means people react differently. Also there is Russian article about SN poisoning consequences (first two paragraphs on page 6) which claims that "The clinical picture of poisoning is highly variable."


By insulting someone instead of arguments, you just showing your low intelligence.

You can't take one painful report and say the entire method is bad, maybe that person is lying or pain can be from different reasons, I want real proof

Most of the people had the same symptoms so when you come to a conclusion about any topic you should take the majority of what they experienced, you can't say symptoms differ for everyone by looking into the minority of people

I ain't trusting no random sources, it is last thing I will trust, I am trusting the ppeh report of the doctor who read more than 30 reports which are recorded and sent to him for the sn research

Bottom line is people who failed in sn attempts most of them said they will try the sn method again to ctb which alone proves that the sn method is ain't bad, everyone recovered without any long term damage to their body , no one had brain damage and most of them said they were unconscious and don't know what happened so sn ain't bad if you do it properly

 

[Goodgirlryeo101]

If anyone wanna do cyanide

I would say do cyanide the way hitler did, Hitler took the cyanide and shot himself in the head!

I saw a video of someone who completed ctb by cyanide, he looked to be in so much pain and tbh he died very quickly as well … I wouldn't mind that method even though it will be painful but it won't be as painful as it is like living in life full of misery…

 

[Vizzy]

I saw a video of someone who completed ctb by cyanide, he looked to be in so much pain and tbh he died very quickly as well … I wouldn't mind that method even though it will be painful but it won't be as painful as it is like living in life full of misery…

You can say this for a lot of other methods like jumping, drowning, train, cutting the throat and so on, I don't think many people will be okay with cyanide

Cyanide death are not quick all the times, they say less than 30 minutes but timing depends on the dosage

 

[Goodgirlryeo101]

You can say this for a lot of other methods like jumping, drowning, train, cutting the throat and so on, I don't think many people will be okay with cyanide

Cyanide death are not quick all the times, they say less than 30 minutes but timing depends on the dosage

The one I saw literally took him minutes to complete ctb….. His dosage didn't seem like a lot tbh …. Me I can manage physical pain the only thing that I'm most worried about is making sure I complete this successfully…. I don't want to be a failure…..

 

[Vizzy]

The one I saw literally took him minutes to complete ctb….. His dosage didn't seem like a lot tbh …. Me I can manage physical pain the only thing that I'm most worried about is making sure I complete this successfully…. I don't want to be a failure…..

Okay go for it, good luck

 

[Goodgirlryeo101]

Okay go for it, good luck

Thank you but that's not the method I'm using though… I heard that cyanide is not easy to access tbh, so yeah there is that…

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

imo 2018 , 2019, 2020, all these years on here and in the PPH were the Age of Sn and of Nembutal from A and D. hundreds of SN threads detailing no pain, even many who were brought back to life in the ER with the antidote said no pain. PPH handbook observed no pain with many SN ctb .

then after the NY times and that dumb prolife video brought many pro-lifers here suddenly Sn became painful innefective and banned , so was Nembutal from D banned which we and the PPH had acces to for years. so prolifers the nytimes and that news org which jailed Kenneth law got sn banned. that pro-life video will remain nameless because naming it will cause some to go click on it which will cause the youtube algorithm to suggest it to tons of more prolifers. if those 2 things the NY times and nameless garbage wouldn't have happened we'd still have Nembutal from D and IC SN.

Think about the new york times the news media and a dumb prolife video that people keep clicking and talking about and making more popular took away our and millions of suffering people's right and ability to move away from suffering , extreme torture and extreme pain.

imo there has never been anything LIke Sn super effective no pain and i haven't seen even one case of proven medical permanent damage from it like brain damage . This is why they took down all the sources and jailed kenneth law . There has never been anything like SN

 

[Dosentmatter903]

Was my original plan no bullshit

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Thank you for this. People seem to think that it is just as simple as driving across the border, stopping at a vets office and driving back. Like just running to Walmart or Piggly Wiggly. #1 you are an American in a foreign country. If you start going to every vet and asking for N, you are going to set off some red flags. By now I'm sure they ALL know what you intend to use it for. If someone was actually getting it for a pet, they could have just taken their pet to a vet in the US.
Also there is a worldwide shortage of N or pentobarbital.
@Vizzy ... Did I miss anything or get anything wrong?

Is there STILL an N shortage? I thought they were back up to normal levels now? Someone did manage to get it with another members help from Mexico very recently, we were all shocked they'd actually managed to successfully buy it-did you see that thread? I think they just got extremely lucky there though.

 

[Vizzy]

Is there STILL an N shortage? I thought they were back up to normal levels now? Someone did manage to get it with another members help from Mexico very recently, we were all shocked they'd actually managed to successfully buy it-did you see that thread? I think they just got extremely lucky there though.

You can get it from Mexico but still N is in shortage, I don't think it's gonna improve in the future because it is used only for animals so manufacturers are not producing like before

Only small pharma companies are manufacturing and vets are moving with different drug methods to euthanize the animals

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@Vizzy Yeh I gave up on N a few months ago, it sucks because I really thought another seller was gonna turn up but nope. Things seemed hopeful for a bit when someone said the levels were back up to normal a few weeks ago but it's still gonna be insanely impossible to get hold of. I'm happy with SN as an option now-well assuming it still is and the pro-lifers haven't wrecked that for us all as well. In fact I think I'd take SN now even if I had N as an option.

 

[Vizzy]

@Vizzy Yeh I gave up on N a few months ago, it sucks because I really thought another seller was gonna turn up but nope. I'm happy with SN as an option now-well assuming it still is and the pro-lifers haven't wrecked that for us all as well.

If you have money go to Mexico now you can get N

 

[AliceTheGoon]

SN checks the two most important boxes: It works and it's doable. No it's not candy and puppies but despite claims to the contrary when done right users go down quick and stay down.

 

[freelifexit]

You can't take one painful report and say the entire method is bad, maybe that person is lying or pain can be from different reasons, I want real proof

It's 8 painful cases. I didn't say that method is bad or always painful. I provided links to peaceful, discomforting and painful cases.

Most of the people had the same symptoms so when you come to a conclusion about any topic you should take the majority of what they experienced, you can't say symptoms differ for everyone by looking into the minority of people

I provided links to different documents, according to them people react differently.

I ain't trusting no random sources, it is last thing I will trust, I am trusting the ppeh report of the doctor who read more than 30 reports which are recorded and sent to him for the sn research

ppeh is not the only one possible resource for information, but you can trust whatever you want

everyone recovered without any long term damage to their body , no one had brain damage

Agree, there are no negative info about consequences from people who failed SN on this forum, except two cases who got problems with kidneys.

But there is info from this Russian article about SN poisoning consequences (first two paragraphs on page 6).

"In severe cases of intoxication due to degenerative changes in erythrocytes and a decrease in their resistance, hemolysis and secondary hemolytic anemia occur (on the 3-5th day after poisoning). In this case, hemoglobinuria, kidney damage (nephropathy with varying degrees of acute renal failure) and liver damage (toxic hepatopathy) can be observed. Severe acute vascular insufficiency (nitrite shock), coma, pulmonary edema may develop. The clinical picture of poisoning is highly variable. In some cases, changes in the respiratory organs come to the fore, in others - in the cardiovascular and central nervous systems, in others - in the blood system."

Also there are no comments about brain damage on this forum from people who failed SN.

There are several articles which say that brain damage is possible.

From this article (Page 2, Discussion, 2nd paragraph): "Nitrite is also a potent vasodilator and can
cause coronary ischemia and stroke as a result of hypotension, tachycardia, and hypoxia."

Also article about survived case with brain damage: "Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, and motor changes. Common causes include cardiogenic shock, severe anemia, massive blood loss, and poisoning. There are only a few reports of DPHL due to nitrite poisoning in literature.

Most patients usually recover completely. However, DPHL can easily induce long-term neurological deficits. Within a few weeks, patients with mild symptoms gradually begin to recover some functions, such as speaking and walking. After 1–−2 years, most patients return to their baseline level, but following such poisoning, cognitive impairment including short-term memory deficits and fatigue may persist and hamper the patient's independence, reducing their quality of life."

 

[Vizzy]

It's 8 painful cases. I didn't say that method is bad or always painful. I provided links to peaceful, discomforting and painful cases.

I provided links to different documents, according to them people react differently.

ppeh is not the only one possible resource for information, but you can trust whatever you want

Agree, there are no negative info about consequences from people who failed SN on this forum, except two cases who got problems with kidneys.

But there is info from this Russian article about SN poisoning consequences (first two paragraphs on page 6).

"In severe cases of intoxication due to degenerative changes in erythrocytes and a decrease in their resistance, hemolysis and secondary hemolytic anemia occur (on the 3-5th day after poisoning). In this case, hemoglobinuria, kidney damage (nephropathy with varying degrees of acute renal failure) and liver damage (toxic hepatopathy) can be observed. Severe acute vascular insufficiency (nitrite shock), coma, pulmonary edema may develop. The clinical picture of poisoning is highly variable. In some cases, changes in the respiratory organs come to the fore, in others - in the cardiovascular and central nervous systems, in others - in the blood system."

Also there are no comments about brain damage on this forum from people who failed SN.

There are several articles which say that brain damage is possible.

From this article (Page 2, Discussion, 2nd paragraph): "Nitrite is also a potent vasodilator and can
cause coronary ischemia and stroke as a result of hypotension, tachycardia, and hypoxia."

Also article about survived case with brain damage: "Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, and motor changes. Common causes include cardiogenic shock, severe anemia, massive blood loss, and poisoning. There are only a few reports of DPHL due to nitrite poisoning in literature.

Most patients usually recover completely. However, DPHL can easily induce long-term neurological deficits. Within a few weeks, patients with mild symptoms gradually begin to recover some functions, such as speaking and walking. After 1–−2 years, most patients return to their baseline level, but following such poisoning, cognitive impairment including short-term memory deficits and fatigue may persist and hamper the patient's independence, reducing their quality of life."

I think you are a prolifer who nit pick things to prove your point

I just search your name, all your comments are just criticizing the sn method and try to create unwanted fear among people who are try to ctb using sn method

I don't understand what's your point of all these, if anyone want to know this person intentions just search his username and see all his comments talking only about negative aspects about sn and mostly the same comments again and again

Brain damage happens with every methods but sn caused brain damage are minimal

So which method you think is good for ctb?

 

[freelifexit]

I think you are a prolifer who nit pick things to prove your point

I just search your name, all your comments are just criticizing the sn method and try to create unwanted fear among people who are try to ctb using sn method

I don't understand what's your point of all these, if anyone want to know this person intentions just search his username and see all his comments talking only about negative aspects about sn and mostly the same comments again and again

Brain damage happens with every methods but sn caused brain damage are minimal

I ask everyone to report this person!

You don't have enough arguments that's why you are calling me prolifer.
As I mentioned previously I don't say that SN is bad. I provide links to real cases which are peaceful, discomforting and painful. People deserve to know that there are different possible outcomes.

 

[Vizzy]

You don't have enough arguments that's why you are calling me prolifer.
As I mentioned previously I don't say that SN is bad. I provide links to real cases which are peaceful, discomforting and painful. People deserve to know that there are different possible outcomes.

I would say all your articles and proofs are not enough to literally boycott the sn method or prove it is a bad method, as I told you before I trust the ppeh sources which are more respected and truthful when it comes to euthanasia which alone throws away your arguments so I don't have to argue anymore

Why your all comments are just attacking the sn method?

Which method you think is good for ctb?

 

[freelifexit]

I would say all your articles and proofs are not enough to literally boycott the sn method or prove it is a bad method,

Again, I never said that it is bad method.

I trust the ppeh sources which are more respected and truthful when it comes to euthanasia which alone throws away your arguments so I don't have to argue anymore

It's your choice, but I think that it's important to read all possible sources.

Why your all comments are just attacking the sn method?

I write that it can be peaceful, discomforting and painful and provide links to real cases, so people can read them. If I was trying to attack method I would write that it is always painful, which is not true.

Which method you think is good for ctb?

I don't want to recommend method, but there is ppeh which provide methods, and everyone can choose what they prefer.

 

[Vizzy]

Again, I never said that it is bad method.

It's your choice, but I think that it's important to read all possible sources.

I write that it can be peaceful, discomforting and painful and provide links to real cases, so people can read them. If I was trying to attack method I would write that it is always painful, which is not true.

I don't want to recommend method, but there is ppeh which provide methods, and everyone can choose what they prefer.

You are not okay only with the ppeh reports when it comes to sn method but you okay to suggest ppeh to choose the ctb methods lol

I read different sources but I am not gonna nit pick things because you can do that with any ctb methods which doesn't makes sense

You can't say painful and painless in same sentence, choose one, sn is uncomfortable yes but I don't think it is painful as I go by the best source in the world which is ppeh not some random Russian sources which is highly sus

 

[freelifexit]

You can't say painful and painless in same sentence, choose one, sn is uncomfortable yes but I don't think it is painful as I go by the best source in the world which is ppeh not some random Russian sources which is highly sus

I provided links to documented cases, if you don't believe in them it's your choice.
It seems to me that our further communication becomes meaningless.

 

[Vizzy]

I provided links to documented cases, if you don't believe in them it's your choice.
It seems to me that our further communication becomes meaningless.

As I said I follow the ppeh documented reports with videos which are more than 22 cases are taken into account to prove that sn method is not painful

Let me see your 8 reports and find out where they mention pain in those reports
Below are your reports

Here is the worst cases from forum members:

Post in thread 'I've tried SN & it's not for me. Been researching. First post btw!'

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...researching-first-post-btw.96193/post-1681369

"Excruciating headache, vomiting, felt like my heart was gonna beat out of my chest - like my pulse from my neck felt like it was gonna burst. Not peaceful at all. Not how they say. I also couldn't walk & needed help."

This one I can't read as the link is not working so I will consider not painful because I want to know the full story to come to conclusion

Thread 'Snorting sn'

Snorting sn

I tried s n it was the most pain I've ever been in In my life so much vomiting and pain if I snort it instead will it go straight into my blood stream I can't go through that pain again when it didn't even work

sanctioned-suicide.net

"I tried s n it was the most pain I've ever been in
In my life so much vomiting and pain if I snort it instead will it go straight into my blood stream I can't go through that pain again when it didn't even work"

This one I don't consider because someone has to be dumb to snort sn because it is a salt so I will blame the person for snorting so I consider not painful

Thread 'It seems that SN is not peaceful'

It seems that SN is not peaceful

when I read SN successful and unsuccessful thread I see so many people suffer of hard breathing or etc. please look at this. Moonicide: 25g in luke warm water drank - after 10 minutes breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking. Chat room: 25g, burning throat, breathing slowly, 20...

sanctioned-suicide.net

"Moonicide: 25g in luke warm water drank - after 10 minutes breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking.

Chat room: 25g, burning throat, breathing slowly, 20 minutes after ingesting vomited violent, sounds indicated it became a very tough experience, horrible respiratory sounds, really distressing,

Kukubananas : cannot breathe

timetogo:, throat warm, heaving but not vomiting, do not feel nauseous, hands falling asleep, pain, vomiting swallow back, cannot breathe."

All the above experiences don't say anywhere or show sn method is painful as I don't know these people full story so I can't take this into account as painful

Post in thread 'It seems that SN is not peaceful'

It seems that SN is not peaceful

SN is my method of choice, so posts like this make me nervous.

sanctioned-suicide.net

"So I went to bed thinking I would fall asleep and ctb but instead I went through 4 hours of hell like suffocating. I didn't throw up at all a bit nauseous was all. I took 1000 mg naproxen before but at the end I got the worst headache of my life."

This one I would say no peace but I don't consider as painful and this user just disappeared without answering anyone else questions in that thread which is sus, no one knows he took sn or something else

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"Our friend passed away last week with SN. He suffered terribly and had a terrible death struggle even though he followed the guide."

This above comment I accept partially but nothing to say clearly sn was painful

All your above reports you gave doesn't satisfy or even enough to argue that sn method is painful because we have really good documented cases where people died without pain using sn method

Agree, there are no negative info about consequences from people who failed SN on this forum, except two cases who got problems with kidneys.

But there is info from this Russian article about SN poisoning consequences (first two paragraphs on page 6).

"In severe cases of intoxication due to degenerative changes in erythrocytes and a decrease in their resistance, hemolysis and secondary hemolytic anemia occur (on the 3-5th day after poisoning). In this case, hemoglobinuria, kidney damage (nephropathy with varying degrees of acute renal failure) and liver damage (toxic hepatopathy) can be observed. Severe acute vascular insufficiency (nitrite shock), coma, pulmonary edema may develop. The clinical picture of poisoning is highly variable. In some cases, changes in the respiratory organs come to the fore, in others - in the cardiovascular and central nervous systems, in others - in the blood system."

Also there are no comments about brain damage on this forum from people who failed SN.

There are several articles which say that brain damage is possible.

From this article (Page 2, Discussion, 2nd paragraph): "Nitrite is also a potent vasodilator and can
cause coronary ischemia and stroke as a result of hypotension, tachycardia, and hypoxia."

Also article about survived case with brain damage: "Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, and motor changes. Common causes include cardiogenic shock, severe anemia, massive blood loss, and poisoning. There are only a few reports of DPHL due to nitrite poisoning in literature.

Most patients usually recover completely. However, DPHL can easily induce long-term neurological deficits. Within a few weeks, patients with mild symptoms gradually begin to recover some functions, such as speaking and walking. After 1–−2 years, most patients return to their baseline level, but following such poisoning, cognitive impairment including short-term memory deficits and fatigue may persist and hamper the patient's independence, reducing their quality of life."

There was no brain damage in this forum, ppeh reports or the link you attached here so brain damage didn't happen anywhere, possible yes

Any ctb methods at some point brain damage is possible so I don't know why you attached documents to prove that brain damage is possible because I didn't say anywhere that it is impossible

Delayed Post-Hypoxic Leukoencephalopathy Following Nitrite Poisoning: A Case Report and Review of the Literature

Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Your final article was funny and it doesn't makes sense because you attached a accidental nitrite poisoning case caused by a spare rib soup to a 64 years old man lol, really you are so desperate to prove your point but there is a huge flaw on how you understood that report because I think you didn't even read or understand that report clearly

What the report mean is after the old man got accidental nitrite poisoning he completely recovered from the nitrite poison in 2 days and was discharged to his house, after 2 months he was readmitted to the hospital as his health started to decline and was diagnosed with DPHL

DPHL can happen with any ctb methods not just sn method so I can't accept that DPHL can happen only because of sn induced coma because it can happen with drugs, accident, hanging any ctb which can cause coma

Final article I won't take as example because it was accidental not a ctb

 

[freelifexit]

As I said I follow the ppeh documented reports with videos which are more than 22 cases are taken into account to prove that sn method is not painful

Let me see your 8 reports and find out where they mention pain in those reports
Below are your reports

Here is the worst cases from forum members:

Post in thread 'I've tried SN & it's not for me. Been researching. First post btw!'

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...researching-first-post-btw.96193/post-1681369

"Excruciating headache, vomiting, felt like my heart was gonna beat out of my chest - like my pulse from my neck felt like it was gonna burst. Not peaceful at all. Not how they say. I also couldn't walk & needed help."

This one I can't read as the link is not working so I will consider not painful because I want to know the full story to come to conclusion

Thread 'Snorting sn'

Snorting sn

I tried s n it was the most pain I've ever been in In my life so much vomiting and pain if I snort it instead will it go straight into my blood stream I can't go through that pain again when it didn't even work

sanctioned-suicide.net

"I tried s n it was the most pain I've ever been in
In my life so much vomiting and pain if I snort it instead will it go straight into my blood stream I can't go through that pain again when it didn't even work"

This one I don't consider because someone has to be dumb to snort sn because it is a salt so I will blame the person for snorting so I consider not painful

Thread 'It seems that SN is not peaceful'

It seems that SN is not peaceful

when I read SN successful and unsuccessful thread I see so many people suffer of hard breathing or etc. please look at this. Moonicide: 25g in luke warm water drank - after 10 minutes breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking. Chat room: 25g, burning throat, breathing slowly, 20...

sanctioned-suicide.net

"Moonicide: 25g in luke warm water drank - after 10 minutes breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking.

Chat room: 25g, burning throat, breathing slowly, 20 minutes after ingesting vomited violent, sounds indicated it became a very tough experience, horrible respiratory sounds, really distressing,

Kukubananas : cannot breathe

timetogo:, throat warm, heaving but not vomiting, do not feel nauseous, hands falling asleep, pain, vomiting swallow back, cannot breathe."

All the above experiences don't say anywhere or show sn method is painful as I don't know these people full story so I can't take this into account as painful

Post in thread 'It seems that SN is not peaceful'

It seems that SN is not peaceful

SN is my method of choice, so posts like this make me nervous.

sanctioned-suicide.net

"So I went to bed thinking I would fall asleep and ctb but instead I went through 4 hours of hell like suffocating. I didn't throw up at all a bit nauseous was all. I took 1000 mg naproxen before but at the end I got the worst headache of my life."

This one I would say no peace but I don't consider as painful and this user just disappeared without answering anyone else questions in that thread which is sus, no one knows he took sn or something else

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"Our friend passed away last week with SN. He suffered terribly and had a terrible death struggle even though he followed the guide."

This above comment I accept partially but nothing to say clearly sn was painful

All your above reports you gave doesn't satisfy or even enough to argue that sn method is painful because we have really good documented cases where people died without pain using sn method

There was no brain damage in this forum, ppeh reports or the link you attached here so brain damage didn't happen anywhere, possible yes

Any ctb methods at some point brain damage is possible so I don't know why you attached documents to prove that brain damage is possible because I didn't say anywhere that it is impossible

Delayed Post-Hypoxic Leukoencephalopathy Following Nitrite Poisoning: A Case Report and Review of the Literature

Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Your final article was funny and it doesn't makes sense because you attached a accidental nitrite poisoning case caused by a spare rib soup to a 64 years old man lol, really you are so desperate to prove your point but there is a huge flaw on how you understood that report because I think you didn't even read or understand that report clearly

What the report mean is after the old man got accidental nitrite poisoning he completely recovered from the nitrite poison in 2 days and was discharged to his house, after 2 months he was readmitted to the hospital as his health started to decline and was diagnosed with DPHL

DPHL can happen with any ctb methods not just sn method so I can't accept that DPHL can happen only because of sn induced coma because it can happen with drugs, accident, hanging any ctb which can cause coma

Final article I won't take as example because it was accidental not a ctb

I still think that provided cases are painful. One link doesn't work because forum changed domain. Cases when people can't breathe I think can be named as painful.

When somebody writes that there is no documented health consequences, providing articles about possible brain damage or organ damage is important, because people should know that it is possible.

 

[Vizzy]

I still think that provided cases are painful. One link doesn't work because forum changed domain. Cases when people can't breathe I think can be named as painful.

When somebody writes that there is no documented health consequences, providing articles about possible brain damage or organ damage is important, because people should know that it is possible.

People can't breathe properly should be considered as uncomfortable not painful, there is a huge difference

1 case of 64 years old man brain damage is not enough to prove, you need more cases to prove

I strongly believe sn ain't that bad, painless and you don't have enough recorded sources to disprove it

 

[freelifexit]

People can't breathe properly should be considered as uncomfortable not painful, there is a huge difference

It's written that they "can't breathe" and one case "hell like suffocating" I think it's painful. We will not agree with each other, it's obvious from the start of our conversation.

1 case of 64 years old man brain damage is not enough to prove, you need more cases to prove

Even 1 case is enough, also I provided link to article in which written that stroke is possible. I didn't write that brain or organ damage is something common, I just mentioned articles, also I mentioned that there are no documented failed cases with health consequences on this forum. So people can make their own conclusion according to all information I provided.

I strongly believe sn ain't that bad, painless and you don't have enough recorded sources to disprove it

I also think that sn isn't that bad, that's why I provide link to peaceful cases too. And I think that people deserve to know about both peaceful and worst cases.

Further discussion doesn't make any sense, I will not respond to further comments.