Method The "night-night" method mega thread.

[Iceangel]

So im trying to set this up and surprise surprise im too stupid to hit the corotid. I think i keep hitting the jugular, my head feels kind of fuzzy and my eyes water but thats about it. Is it that im not applying enough pressure or am i just tanking this method? (Ive read the whole thread im just more visual so its a little harder to get it right :/)

 

[Superfluous]

My understanding of this method is that it doesn't require that much pressure, and that positioning of the bags and ratchet strap are key. Essentially, this method seems to be the same as using a ligature (tourniquet) with padding to focus the pressure on the correct area.

I also plan to use this method. However, I noticed a number of people here are having problems finding the ideal setup. I therefore also read the Hanging mega thread, which has some crossover information. Also, the chapter on Compression in Five Last Acts (which is available for download - link in the List of Resources) has some great information, and one ligature variation is the ratchet tie-down.

 

[Iceangel]

My understanding of this method is that it doesn't require that much pressure, and that positioning of the bags and ratchet strap are key. Essentially, this method seems to be the same as using a ligature (tourniquet) with padding to focus the pressure on the correct area.

I also plan to use this method. However, I noticed a number of people here are having problems finding the ideal setup. I therefore also read the Hanging mega thread, which has some crossover information. Also, the chapter on Compression in Five Last Acts (which is available for download - link in the List of Resources) has some great information, and one ligature variation is the ratchet tie-down.

So ive been reading the thread and started the book, my ratchet has hooks. Is it still doable or do i need a new ratchet? Can i improvise with the one i already own?

 

[Superfluous]

So ive been reading the thread and started the book, my ratchet has hooks. Is it still doable or do i need a new ratchet? Can i improvise with the one i already own?

That's one of the first things I noticed from reading the book - It does recommend an endless ratchet. However, this method is a variation on the method described in the book in that there is padding applied either side of the windpipe. If the hooks lie on the padding comfortably and still apply pressure evenly, then it should still work. Personally though, I think an endless ratchet would be a better option to ensure even application of pressure (no disrespect intended to the OP).

Please bear in mind that I'm new here and have only just started to plan my own ctb. I don't yet have the equipment so haven't done any testing yet. I'm not even sure I can get the items where I live so I am looking at alternatives as a backup.

I have, however, been considering this method for a while now and do have some thoughts:

Firstly, we're trying to replicate the blood choke, and it is the bicep and forearm applying pressure to the carotid arteries (as per the video on the 1st page). From pictures I've seen, the sackhole/cornhole bags appear to be quite flat, which doesn't seem to replicate a bicep and forearm which are more rounded. I'm wondering, therefore, whether the bags are meant to be scrunched up a little so that they more closely resemble an arm?

My next thought is about how the force is applied. Again from the video, the arm forms a 'V' shape around the neck with a convenient gap between forearm and bicep that avoids applying pressure to the windpipe, and then a squeezing motion is applied at an upward angle. Here, we use the bags to help provide the gap to protect the windpipe and the ratchet strap to apply the pressure. The strap can only apply pressure directly across the neck and so it's important that the strap is positioned correctly: above the Adam's apple right under the chin.

For my own ctb, in order to ensure the pressure is applied to the correct area, I am considering doing the following:

1. Practise with thumb and fingers as per Prime's post on page one (#16) until I'm sure where the pressure needs to be applied. I won't move onto step 2 until I've successfully passed out and am absolutely sure where the carotid arteries are.
2. Fashion some sort of padding and attach it to the positions on my neck found in step 1 using something like Micropore tape.
3. Check the pads are in the correct position by practising again but this time simply applying pressure to the pads. Again, I won't move on until I've successfully passed out.
4. I should be ready to go. Place the bags in the positions described in post #1 (over the padding) and the strap such that the pressure will be applied directly over the padding.

When I say "successfully" passed out, I am implying with little or no discomfort.

I realise that I may be over-complicating this method and all of this may not be necessary. I would, however, be interested in any feedback.

 

[Monstercat]

Hey everyone,

Been talking to a lot of people in the chat and trying to explain this method, and one user wanted me to make a post about it, so here goes everything.

We're going after a classic idea of using a blood choke, except, it will be against ourselves. In the privacy of our own homes. In a fully relaxed state.

This method is fully capable and will kill you very fast. I know this because it's what we were taught in the Marine Corps.

First, you're going to want some Gorilla tape OR a tree ratchet.

Second, get two Sackhole/Cornhole bags.

Now, depending on what you're using, you'll want to lie on the ground and put the bags on these two exact areas on your neck (In blue).

The reason we're lying on the ground is that we want to be able not to have to fuss over putting the bags on us and making sure they don't fall out of place before we use the ratchet or the tape. You're putting the bags on these two areas to go after the internal carotid arteries.

Start cinching the ratchet closed or wrap the tape around your neck once. Is everything feeling good? I'm glad. If not, then uncinch it a little and place the bags. You want to make sure that you're not compressing the windpipe as that could cause you to freak out a little.

We want this to be painless and fast.

After you're comfortable, sit down if you want to or stand up. Do whatever you want honestly. Start wrapping the tape around your neck more and a little tighter or start closing the ratchet more.

In about 5-20 seconds you will pass out. After that, it's pretty much game over unless you somehow hit the ratchet release. That's why I said we could also use tape as well. With the gorilla tape, it will make sure that you don't inadvertently try to tear the tap off... because it will be strong as hell around your neck.

After you pass out, it will only take a few minutes, and you will be brain dead from the complete lack of blood flow to your brain.

I think I've explained this pretty well and I hope you guys understand the method. If not, please don't hesitate and I'm sure that I can help you out or someone else in the community can help you out.

So ive been reading the thread and started the book, my ratchet has hooks. Is it still doable or do i need a new ratchet? Can i improvise with the one i already own?

I think you're spot on. I'm passed out from maybe 15 seconds in a choke hold that pitches the arteries but not the windpipe. This is a very attractive method because I can't find a proper canister of helium
The f@ckers sold me an empty canister of helium. In addition I don't have the proper goddamn regulator to control the flow of gas. It's a mess. I don't know whether I have enough Xanax and I'm scared I'll get delirious and walk around if I take Xanax (google tells me I should be good ctb with 60 Xanax plus I didn't lick the new prescription up today - did then I'll have 90 and that should definitely do it. But this sounds more foolproof with fewer complicated parts. Only I don't really know what a Ratchet is and I don't know what a corn bag is ... please help ... so frigging tired of struggling with this shit. I DONT want to wake up in the damn hospital again. Those people are such judgemental people

 

[Superfluous]

Just ordered strap and bags. Can't find either where I live so have to wait for them to arrive from China. The bags could take up to 4 weeks to arrive so it may be a while before I can test and post findings.

 

[Struggling]

Anyone got major jaw ache from this? I'm trying but still not passing out. Keep accidentally catching windpipe

 

[memento_mori]

I tried out this one using folded thick slipper socks and a scarf, I did get the sensation of being choked but didn't pass out. Jaw/ neck still hurts a bit today, no visible bruising thanks to the padding. will keep trying.

 

[accidentaldeath]

Hi, has any one managed to black out with his own hands? I'm trying to learn about this method and trying to find the artheries, I put my left hand in a U shape and press where I feel the pulse of my heart, my face starts to turn red and I notice like a lot of pressure inside my head, but I can't actually manage to black out.

 

[Superfluous]

I think that if you feel a lot of pressure inside your head, then you are blocking the jugular vein and not the carotid arteries. This allows blood to still enter the brain but prevents it from leaving, causing pressure to build up. If you manage to find and block the carotid arteries and avoid the jugular vein, then you shouldn't feel the same pressure.

I can only suggest that you take another look at the diagrams showing the positions of the carotids and jugular and try to find them in your own neck.

I'll see if I can find the best diagrams posted here and on the hanging thread and post the links if I find them.

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And a final quote from the OP:

You will find your pulse when you found your carotids. Applying pressure to them will lead to dizziness when they're correctly compressed. The harder you push, the faster you will become dizzy or pass out.

Again, as stated throughout this entire thread, were going for the carotid arterys and trying to compress them as it will cut off basically 98% of blood to the brain.

It is a super fast method that is completely unforgiving when done properly. Meaning that it's fast and it will kill you.

As with all the other methods though, something could go wrong. If you don't verse yourself with the method then you increase your chances of messing up.

If you decide to inebriate yourself with alcohol or decide to take drugs then your chance of failing increase even more.

So I urge everyone new to this thread, as always, read everything. Don't be discouraged by others people failing either.

It's your life and you get to decide how to end it if you want. No one else's experience should influence yours other than you learning where they failed and making sure you don't follow their foot steps. @Prime has CTB with this method and I'm getting closer to my CTB date as well.

I will most likely not post a goodbye post. After that happens too, it will be up to all the other members to try to explain the method. The good thing is the method is super easy to explain with all the answered questions already.

The bad thing is that you as a community will decide how to police these comments when I finally CTB. Please do not lead members in a path that makes them avoid this method. It does work.

Only the person using this method improperly can make it fail.

 

[inviktus]

Great post @Superfluous, ty

To everyone struggling, don't be discouraged. Anatomy is complicated.
I successfully found the corotids today, about an hour ago. It's true what they say, you know when you find it. No pain, no pressure, fast dizziness, euphoria (actually thought: damn this feels great, sorta like poppers -don't ask)

I've been trying and failing to repeat my success while lying down. The only time its worked as described was while i sat up on the couch, chin up and head back. U shape hand, felt pulse and pushed thumb and fingers into the site of the pulse.

It was the same feeling I get when I stand up too fast, only way stronger. Took me a bit before it went away.

Can't help but wonder if Op ctb, haven't seen a post of theirs in this thread since Jan.

 

[EdgeLord54]

so this interests me but i have 2 questions.

1. does it need to be gorilla tape or will regular duct tape do the job? any other alternatives?

2. what can i use aside from cornhole bags? would 2 balled up pairs of socks work or do i need more weight?

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

What would be a good alternative to a cornhole bag that is in most households?

 

[Superfluous]

so this interests me but i have 2 questions.

1. does it need to be gorilla tape or will regular duct tape do the job? any other alternatives?

2. what can i use aside from cornhole bags? would 2 balled up pairs of socks work or do i need more weight?

Regular duct tape can be used. It's basically the same and will work fine with this method.

I also have a problem finding cornhole bags in my country so will also need to improvise. Socks have been previously suggested as an alternative on this thread. I'd say you need to ball them up such that they are firm. If they are not firm, then they may just compress and not apply pressure to the carotid area as needed. Weight is irrelevant for this method.

I haven't yet played around with alternatives but will do soon. I was thinking of using something like socks, wrapping them up fairly tight with some form of tape, then maybe popping each one inside another sock for comfort.

I'll probably start trying alternatives in a few weeks. When I do, I'll post my findings.

Edit: Links to other minor threads discussing this method:

The "night-night" method
Implementing the night night method

 

[memento_mori]

Gave up using socks as they don't seem to be working, been experimenting with partial hanging lately.
Another alternative for corn hole bags might be bean bags, there are some DIY methods available online.

 

[snowman626]

I think that if you feel a lot of pressure inside your head, then you are blocking the jugular vein and not the carotid arteries. This allows blood to still enter the brain but prevents it from leaving, causing pressure to build up. If you manage to find and block the carotid arteries and avoid the jugular vein, then you shouldn't feel the same pressure.

I can only suggest that you take another look at the diagrams showing the positions of the carotids and jugular and try to find them in your own neck.

I'll see if I can find the best diagrams posted here and on the hanging thread and post the links if I find them.

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And a final quote from the OP:

but the jugular and carotid vein is like right next to each other, how can you block one and not the other? i tried this many times and felt the pressure building in my head every time, especially the eyes area. should you be using a bigger or smaller bean bag?

 

[Superfluous]

Gave up using socks as they don't seem to be working, been experimenting with partial hanging lately.
Another alternative for corn hole bags might be bean bags, there are some DIY methods available online.

How about using sand inside a plastic bag inside a sock (or something soft)?

but the jugular and carotid vein is like right next to each other, how can you block one and not the other? i tried this many times and felt the pressure building in my head every time, especially the eyes area. should you be using a bigger or smaller bean bag?

I did notice this from the diagrams. I'm not sure yet as I haven't given it a try. Once I have and (hopefully) find the solution, I'll post my findings.

 

[memento_mori]

according to Google a standard corn hole bag should be around 400 hundred grams or 15 ounces so if you are making sand bags you prolly need to approx that amount of weight

 

[Superfluous]

I don't think weight is that important for this method, although the bags shouldn't be too heavy as to cause discomfort. The purpose of the bags is to try and reduce compression of the trachea and focus the pressure on the carotids.

I have had a rethink, though, and sand may not be an ideal substitute. A better alternative may be rice or other dried pulse as it would be more readily available and better replicate the contents of a cornhole bag.

 

[Superfluous]

For anyone considering this method, I would strongly recommend downloading the latest PPeH (PDF format):

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-peaceful-pill-ehandbook-march-24-2019-revision.14416/

Specifically check out the chapter on The Korean Method (starts on page 405).

The one problem many people have with this method is locating the carotid baroreceptors (the exact position where the pressure needs to be applied). Here's an extract from PPeH 2019 which should help:

 

[strange.auai]

how much pressure should i apply. because i located the places but i can't seem to pass out at all.

 

[Deivis]

Look, the bean bags are not the alpha and omega of this method....

I think we should step back and try to observe the bigger picture - what other items would serve as a perfect V-hook.
What can you buy at your houseware mall?

Maybe a kind of travel pillow (made of memory foam).
Maybe some active sports paraphernalia.
Maybe some BDSM stuff.

I've checked Amazon.

Amazon.com: ComfoArray Travel Pillow, Neck Pillow with Head Support Design, Travel Pillow for Airplanes, 100% Memory Foam, Adjustable According to Neck Size. A Whole Travel kit.: Home & Kitchen

Buy ComfoArray Travel Pillow, Neck Pillow with Head Support Design, Travel Pillow for Airplanes, 100% Memory Foam, Adjustable According to Neck Size. A Whole Travel kit.: Travel Pillows - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

Something like that. Just needs some adjustments.

 

[Superfluous]

how much pressure should i apply. because i located the places but i can't seem to pass out at all.

According to PPeH 2019, the arterial pressure is around 120 mm/Hg (~2.5 psi), and a pressure of around 150 mm/Hg (~3 psi) is "...enough to occlude the carotid flow". Unfortunately, I don't know how to translate this into real world terms. Based on earlier posts, I would say a reasonable amount but not so much that it becomes painful (i realise this is a bit vague but it's the best I can do).

Also, check out post #16 of this thread for a good description of how to apply the pressure.

Note that PPeH scores this method low (1) on preparation as it is complex:

I can only suggest practise. Maybe you are just slightly off on the location or applying pressure in the wrong direction.

Look, the bean bags are not the alpha and omega of this method....

I think we should step back and try to observe the bigger picture - what other items would serve as a perfect V-hook.
What can you buy at your houseware mall?

Maybe a kind of travel pillow (made of memory foam).
Maybe some active sports paraphernalia.
Maybe some BDSM stuff.

I've checked Amazon.

Amazon.com: ComfoArray Travel Pillow, Neck Pillow with Head Support Design, Travel Pillow for Airplanes, 100% Memory Foam, Adjustable According to Neck Size. A Whole Travel kit.: Home & Kitchen

Buy ComfoArray Travel Pillow, Neck Pillow with Head Support Design, Travel Pillow for Airplanes, 100% Memory Foam, Adjustable According to Neck Size. A Whole Travel kit.: Travel Pillows - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

Something like that. Just needs some adjustments.

I appreciate your suggestions and I am looking at a number of options.

Firstly though, I have to say that a memory foam pillow would not be suitable at all as it is too soft and will simply be compressed under pressure as the ratchet strap is tightened. Cornhole bags as originally suggested by the OP are filled with dried corn (or plastic alternative) so they don't compress when pressure is applied.

Sports equipment is a good suggestion which I will look into. BDSM stuff where I live is illegal and so is not available (although they probably have exactly what we're looking for, especially for those that are in to auto-erotic asphyxiation).

Please remember we don't all live in America. Many of the cornhole bags available on amazon won't ship to my country, and for those that do, the cost of shipping is twice the cost of the bags. They almost always come in packs of 8 (although someone just posted a link to a 4-pack which I'm considering if I can get them here).

Having recently read about The Korean Method in the latest PPeH, there are some good alternatives suggested. I especially like the 'inflatable bladders' idea and it got me thinking about possibly using squash balls. We wouldn't be inflating them as in PPeH, but the strap applying pressure on them may replicate the concept. I would need to test this before suggesting it as an alternative though.

There is another thread on this forum where we are trying to brainstorm the whole concept (I linked to it in an earlier post), and we're currently at the stage where we need to acquire an arm from a Mythbusters dummy. If anyone can help...

 

[strange.auai]

According to PPeH 2019, the arterial pressure is around 120 mm/Hg (~2.5 psi), and a pressure of around 150 mm/Hg (~3 psi) is "...enough to occlude the carotid flow". Unfortunately, I don't know how to translate this into real world terms. Based on earlier posts, I would say a reasonable amount but not so much that it becomes painful (i realise this is a bit vague but it's the best I can do).

Also, check out post #16 of this thread for a good description of how to apply the pressure.

Note that PPeH scores this method low (1) on preparation as it is complex:
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I can only suggest practise. Maybe you are just slightly off on the location or applying pressure in the wrong direction.

I appreciate your suggestions and I am looking at a number of options.

Firstly though, I have to say that a memory foam pillow would not be suitable at all as it is too soft and will simply be compressed under pressure as the ratchet strap is tightened. Cornhole bags as originally suggested by the OP are filled with dried corn (or plastic alternative) so they don't compress when pressure is applied.

Sports equipment is a good suggestion which I will look into. BDSM stuff where I live is illegal and so is not available (although they probably have exactly what we're looking for, especially for those that are in to auto-erotic asphyxiation).

Please remember we don't all live in America. Many of the cornhole bags available on amazon won't ship to my country, and for those that do, the cost of shipping is twice the cost of the bags. They almost always come in packs of 8 (although someone just posted a link to a 4-pack which I'm considering if I can get them here).

Having recently read about The Korean Method in the latest PPeH, there are some good alternatives suggested. I especially like the 'inflatable bladders' idea and it got me thinking about possibly using squash balls. We wouldn't be inflating them as in PPeH, but the strap applying pressure on them may replicate the concept. I would need to test this before suggesting it as an alternative though.

There is another thread on this forum where we are trying to brainstorm the whole concept (I linked to it in an earlier post), and we're currently at the stage where we need to acquire an arm from a Mythbusters dummy. If anyone can help...

yeah, this is more complicated than i thought. thanks for replying, this helps alot.

 

[Deivis]

I appreciate your suggestions and I am looking at a number of options.

Firstly though, I have to say that a memory foam pillow would not be suitable at all as it is too soft and will simply be compressed under pressure as the ratchet strap is tightened. Cornhole bags as originally suggested by the OP are filled with dried corn (or plastic alternative) so they don't compress when pressure is applied.

Sports equipment is a good suggestion which I will look into. BDSM stuff where I live is illegal and so is not available (although they probably have exactly what we're looking for, especially for those that are in to auto-erotic asphyxiation).

Oh, I think I need to clarify myself: by suggesting the foam pillow and other stuff, I still apply it to the hanging method, not the NN. The foam pillow, as comfy and soft as it gets, might do the trick if you pass a cord or a rope through it. Its a perfect padding like a human arm + some attachments that would press on the carotids. More like a collar in that video about Siphon Effect. Gravity will do the rest. At least, that was my initial thought.

 

[SHThrowAway213]

Would this method also work with a cable tie?

 

[Superfluous]

I personally wouldn't recommend using cable ties for this method. They don't have the same width as a ratchet strap. As such:

• they will dig into the skin and so would be very uncomfortable
• they will dig into the cornhole bags and simply move the contents above and below the cable tie and not focus the pressure on the required area

Just a couple of reasons I wouldn't consider using them.

 

[PatrickG]

This method seems by far the best way to go in my opinion. You can literally do it in the comfort of your own home and you don't have to go through pain.

I don't have a tree ratchet so i want to combine it with partial and have two Bean bags against my carotid arteries. I know theres a chance they could move but i'm hoping gravity does the rest.

Thank you Kooz for explaining this method so well and asnwering all the questions that came with it.

 

[jayfox]

This is my second preferred method as I'm poor and I don't know if I will be able to buy N. Suffocation is a big no for me since I watched a kid drown when I was little. I don't want to be gasping for air.

I'll research more , ty to the poster.

 

[Kikoo Loool]

I'm afraid I never understood how it must be done
Is it really better than hanging?