Help Sooo...I'm Ukrainian

[My_name_is_Luka]

@Nessie
good that you are able to sustain youself!
Regarding the railroad, I've read that the train station Pavlohrad-2 has been destroyed. That might impact the distribution of the trains traffic.
I've also read of people being deported from Mariupol to Russia. I hope that it won't happen to you..

 

[GrumpyFrog]

I've also read of people being deported from Mariupol to Russia. I hope that it won't happen to you..

Considering the absolute horror that has been going on in Mariupol ever since in was surrounded, being deported to Russia might not even be the worst option for the people still stuck there.
I am not anywhere close to being deported to Russia. We are not under Russian control. And Mariupol, sadly, is...

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I'm happy to hear you are ok. I am so sorry for everything that you and your country are going through.
I wish our government would do more. I know they don't want WWlll but I really wish someone would just take out Putin. A little something "Extra" in his underwear would be awesome.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

I know they don't want WWlll but I really wish someone would just take out Putin.

I find it difficult to imagine what would happen if he would, say, drop dead from a stroke tomorrow. Who is going to take his place and what is going to happen next?
On the other hand, I don't really know what is going to happen next even if he doesn't drop dead tomorrow, or anytime soon...

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

@Nessie

I've found a very useful website that might be helpful while you are still in Ukraine:

Проект ВзаємоДія допоможе вам знайти любу інформацію про необхідну допомогу під час війни

Ця платформа створена для швидкого та легкого пошуку інформації під час війни. Розділи постійно поповнюються, а ресурси ретельно перевіряються командою фахівців.

viyna.net

It tells you what to do in specific circumstances.

I'm also putting together a website full of links for refugees. If you will ever need to leave, I've seen that the whole europe is extremely well organized to support refugees! (p.s.: we won't check your phone as in russia, lol)

 

[GrumpyFrog]

@My_name_is_Luka you are super-duper awesome, I don't have the words to express how impressed I am with your resourcefulness and how grateful I am regarding your determination to help! I know the site you shared, it's a really cool one, but thank you anyway. You making your own website to organize the chaotic information elsewhere is an amazing move!

(p.s.: we won't check your phone as in russia, lol)

I can imagine trying to explain this site to Russian soldiers checking my phone

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

Cool that you have it! As soon as I have seen it, I thought about you

If they find this website on your phone, chances are that the next day the russian news outlets will write that they have found evidences of preparations of chemical attacks

 

[Smart No More]

People in the UK can sponsor and home a Ukrainian refugee and the government are offering anyone doing so something in the region of 350gbp per month per refugee homed. Unfortunately there is some poor organisational issues. 50 page form to fill out for refugees seeking asylum. Many people have come forward to take in refugees and as far as I'm aware not one has been processed. It's quite piss poor even if the intention is good. Hopefully the backlog will start to move fast once they get their shit together. Seems like citizens of the UK generally are of the opinion that a Ukrainian passport should be enough to be considered a refugee and I'd agree with that. The government are fearful that bad actors might see it as an opportunity to get into the country on false pretenses. I get it but honestly, it's not the time for that. Get the people out of the country and deal with it at the other end on arrival. The English are saying let us go and collect the refugees ourselves. I'm not certain who exactly the government think will be a threat. Maybe Chechens? Russians in 'disguise'? I must have missed something but either way, fingers crossed the ball gets rolling asap!

Respect to @My_name_is_Luka It's heart warming to see your efforts!

 

[GrumpyFrog]

I'm not certain who exactly the government think will be a threat. Maybe Chechens? Russians in 'disguise'?

I think I heard Boris Johnson mention drug dealers/drug smugglers among refugees that arrived to UK in previous years (from other countries) as an example of a safety concern. I might be mistaken though, it might've been not Boris Johnson himself but one of the journalists talking to him, but the general idea is that they are worried about criminals pouring into UK. But I've seen how welcoming British people are and how much effort they are willing to go through to welcome the refugees and it is really heartwarming. You really do see the extremes of good and evil in humanity in events like this.

 

[PreussenBlueJay]

I think I heard Boris Johnson mention drug dealers/drug smugglers among refugees that arrived to UK in previous years (from other countries) as an example of a safety concern. I might be mistaken though, it might've been not Boris Johnson himself but one of the journalists talking to him, but the general idea is that they are worried about criminals pouring into UK. But I've seen how welcoming British people are and how much effort they are willing to go through to welcome the refugees and it is really heartwarming. You really do see the extremes of good and evil in humanity in events like this.

I'm sure there's a financial or logistical reason why America is capped at 100,000 but I feel like we really could have just set no limits and take whoever will come. We certainly have the space and it's not like everyone wants to travel so far from home. As far as EU countries I think there was a sense during the 2015 migrant crisis that they were getting burned by people taking advantage of the Syrian refugee situation to migrate and that's likely why restrictions are so strenuous.

 

[Depressed Cat]

I'm shocked but not surprised at all. Russkies are vile, vicious scum from top to bottom, from Poo-tin to the conscripted soldier.

Russkies have sealed their own fate. Collective karma is a thing and the barbaric Russkies are going to face its full wrath when she bites them hard like a rabid bitch! I won't feel even a tiny bit of empathy or sympathy or compassion for the Russkies when that happens.

I will never consider Russkies and Poo-tin apologists (of all kinds) as fellow humans ever again. I wouldn't consider them even as animals, for animals like other mammals & birds are much more humane and civilised than such sub-human scum!

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I've started to spread these images and videos on vk.ru, I have geolocated some of them too. I provide coordinates and street views.
The replies that I get are the usual: "this is how the ukrainian nazi kill people". "The corpses were carried in the streets after the retreat of the russian army". Etc..
I've even seen idiots telling me that the satellite photos of Mariupol were from Haiti, until I have given the coordinates on the maps.
I came to realize how the russian world is dumb, arrogant and don't want to listen and admit that they could be wrong.
Not all, but many. I'm sorry for the few ones that are brave enough to listen.

@Nessie how are you doing?

 

[NSA]

I came to realize how the russian world is dumb, arrogant and don't want to listen and admit that they could be wrong.
Not all, but many. I'm sorry for the few ones that are brave enough to listen.

I feel like America came this close to ending up like that. And holy shit we're still close.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I feel like America came this close to ending up like that. And holy shit we're still close.

I guess you mean with the election of pig-face Trump.
That man is scary. When the world tries to destroy walls between countries, he was anachronistic and started building one around the US.
I hope that his supporters have opened their eyes and they have realized the dangers of electing a psychopath.

 

[NSA]

I guess you mean with the election of pig-face Trump.
That man is scary. When the world tries to destroy walls between countries, he was anachronistic and started building one around the US.
I hope that his supporters have opened their eyes and they have realized the dangers of electing a psychopath.

I wish. Unfortunately many of them haven't. My whole idiot family voted for Trump, even the "good" ones, and at least half still want to see him as president again.

I myself never payed much attention to politics before this, so when Trump "won", I thought it was funny. Like wow, billionaire reality tv show guy becomes president, yep that's America lol. What's the worst he could do? Yeah...

 

[GrumpyFrog]

@My_name_is_Luka I am okay physically. My city is relatively safe, but we had a few missile strikes over the weekend. One hit in a park in my neighbourhood, pretty scary, it never hit so close before.
I am, frankly, crushed mentally. Even I didn't expect that things will get this bad, that there will be so much cruelty. Any hope I had for a diplomatic solution fell through, our side offered to satisfy the only demand Russia had that made any goddamn sense from the start (to put it in our constitution that we're neutral and we will never join NATO) and it was essentially thrown away, the decision to move the Russian army away from the capital turned out to be extremely unpopular with Russian public and was criticized by Putin's pet islamist asshole (I'm sorry for being harsh), and then it was quickly openly admitted that they are just regrouping to move in a different direction and there will be no deescalation in sight. I frankly don't see how this can realistically end other then in complete destruction of my country anymore.

One of my friends disappeared 5 days ago and last time we spoke on the phone he was at a location that is now littered with corpses, so it is very likely that he is dead. I don't know how to process this reality anymore.

Hope you're okay

 

[houseofleaves]

the decision to move the Russian army away from the capital turned out to be extremely unpopular with Russian public

with bots from Olgino, dare i say

and was criticized by Putin's pet islamist asshole (I'm sorry for being harsh)

he is a talking sock on Putin's hand

and then it was quickly openly admitted that they are just regrouping to move in a different direction and there will be no deescalation in sight.

Fuck. No. Fuck.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

with bots from Olgino, dare i say

I really hope those were bots, or people that are paid to create an illusion of public opinion. It upsets me when our people are saying hateful things about all Russians or gloat about their misfortune, but it makes some amount of sense to me - even people who live in relatively safe areas in the west Ukraine live in unimaginable fear since February 24 and it is very mentally destructive, not to mention those that actually had to flee their homes, lost loved ones or witnessed absolute horrors, people lose empathy because they are mentally traumatized, there is hope that this is reversible. But when Russians gloat at what's happening here and rally around the flag even when the war clearly harms themselves too, it is so shocking...just doesn't make sense how people grew so hateful under normal circumstances, living their normal peaceful lives. I still have hope that people like that aren't really the majority, that their prevalence is just an illusion created by the government.

 

[Smart No More]

They're just fed so many lies. I don't think many of them know what to think. Apparently putins favour went up around 70% since starting this war. Again, it's probably largely bots and misguided or fearful civilians towing the line to feel safe. The civilian bodies left by the soldiers recently indicate that they have a real lack of empathy for humans. The west is told that putin tells his people that this war/military operation is a direct response to threat from Ukrainians. If its true that the soldiers believe these lies then perhaps that's what we're seeing mirrored in the way they've raped and killed civilians but the way they cover, stack and burn them suggests they're trying to hide their actions so what do we take from that? It at least indicates that they know it's wrong on some level. Do they just think the west will see it as a war crime but in their minds it really isn't or do they know that they're just plain wrong. The western news says the way they're living in makeshift roadside bunkers suggest they're a poorly managed army. It's clear they're getting drunk from the litter left behind. Reminds me a little of what happened in Vietnam. War is horrid. And yes, putin/Russia singing about deescalating operations was clearly just milking a media/public relations opportunity whilst moving troups to another area. They're shrewd and devious and the western world is underestimating them I think. Dirty dirty pigs! The way they keep doing horendous things and denying it in such a manner that the western world feels they have to give them the benefit of the doubt or play along due to technicalities can only go on for so long before stepping in has to happen. Its a very perplexing position to be in though because whilst they want to act already the repercussions of making that move are enormous and there's no going back. I wouldn't be surprised if a specifial forces situation occurs. A tactical infiltration to cut the problem off at the source. It would be a big gamble though. Very big. One things for sure, the world outside of Russia see's putin now and are chomping at the bit to hold him accountable.

I didn't realise Ukraine had signed the agreement to never become part of NATO. That saddens me. I know if they did join NATO the rat would probably throw is toys out the pram and shoot is nuke load all over the back of the west but it's a shame that their will never be the option to join NATO once/if he's ever out of the picture.

Where does this thing end!?

 

[PreussenBlueJay]

Beware, this is one huge black pill. Just evil shit. Jesus.



This is starting to look like a Vernichtungskrieg. I know wars are violent affairs in the first place but some of the things are pretty unimaginable in this century.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

@Nessie
I'm glad that you are fine, but sorry to hear that the echoes of the war are coming close to your town.
Don't you have other people in your neighborhood and bunkers where you will be able to gather all together?
I suppose that you have not considered any more the possibility of evacuating..

 

[Depressed Cat]

I hate to point out the obvious, but it must be done.

People living in civilised societies simply do not understand that there are plenty of uncivilised societies in this world. Those who live in peaceful, advanced societies that have not seen unspeakable violence, destruction, bloodshed, genocide, ethnic cleansing and other heinous crimes against humanity since World War II tend to assume that such things have ceased to exist in the entire world, just because they have not occurred in their part of the world since World War II.

They could not be more wrong! Genocides, ethnic cleansings, pogroms, mass-murders and other such crimes against humanity have been occurring regularly with alarming frequency in Asia and Africa, and to a much lesser extent in Latin America and Eastern Europe, and they still continue to occur to this very day. Even now, the genocide of Ukrainians by barbaric Russkie invaders is not the only genocide that's happening. I can list another half-a-dozen.

I live in a Third World country, in an uncouth, barbaric part of the world. Such things are quite common in this rotten part of the planet.

Another thing people are wrong about is the mindset of the savages who celebrate and cheer on genocide, ethnic cleansing, mass-murders and other crimes against humanity. Civilised people tend to believe everyone else will behave according to their own evolved ethical standards. They are plain wrong.

It is quite silly to assume people who celebrate crimes against humanity behave like sub-human scum because they are dumb, ignorant or lack intelligence. It is not intelligence or knowledge they lack, it is ethical intelligence! They may or may not lack the many other forms of intelligence, but they certainly lack ethical intelligence. Forms of intelligence tend to be independent of each other, and ethical intelligence is the most independent of them all. It is perfectly possible to score very low on an IQ test (that measures only mathematical, logical & analytical intelligence at most) and yet have very high ethical intelligence, and vice versa. Many serial killers are said to have a high IQ (measuring only three forms of intelligence at most), but it should be quite obvious that they have very low ethical intelligence.

To conclude, people in civilised societies need to stop assuming all other societies are civilised, and civilised people need to stop assuming everyone else will have the same ethical standards as them. This would be a good start if one wants to improve the world and make it a better place.

 

[houseofleaves]

Apparently putins favour went up around 70% since starting this war.

naaaah, please let me explain; state-owned Russian Public Opinion Research Center asked 1600 people via the phone (that's how they ask for public opinion) if they support Putin. It doesn't really prove anything. They've released the results of a new "research" on 1st of april, it said that Putin's rating got even higher)) and meanwhile, food prices are rising, people are not able to buy drugs (cause they are missing), a shortage of sugar is expected, and, for example, the price of a SvetoCopy paper pack went up for more than a 100%. There's _no way_ that that many russians support Putin, they're not insane.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

I didn't realise Ukraine had signed the agreement to never become part of NATO. That saddens me. I know if they did join NATO the rat would probably throw is toys out the pram and shoot is nuke load all over the back of the west but it's a shame that their will never be the option to join NATO once/if he's ever out of the picture.

Nah, nothing was signed yet. Ukraine only drafted the agreement and made an offer, Russia responded with "yeah, cool, we're going to deescalate and work on the details" and then within a day or two Russian side seemingly changed their minds about the deescalation, so now it's pretty much off the table, because it doesn't seem that they are really interested in this offer at all. Generally, I don't think Ukraine is going to work on joining NATO after the war anyway, it was only discussed in context of preventing the worst case scenario that pretty much already happened.

This is starting to look like a Vernichtungskrieg.

Indeed...
I've read a social media post where some Russian politician was going on about Bandera and concluded that Ukrainians are genetically predisposed to Nazism. Completely insane Orwellian logic.

Don't you have other people in your neighborhood and bunkers where you will be able to gather all together?

Well, the closest thing to a bunker in my neighbourhood is the underground parking lot under a shopping mall nearby. It is sturdy, has ventilation and multiple exits so it is considered fitting as a shelter during air strikes. But of course you can't live there and it is not close enough to go there during air raids, considering that I am disabled and can't really run - the route there will take too long to be safe. So I'm just sitting the air raids out on the staircase of my apartment building or in the bathroom of my apartment (depending on how scared I am). I'm not sure we have any proper bunkers anywhere in town. People are hiding in cellars under apartment buildings, but it's a questionable idea - statistically, in case of serious structural damage to the building the exits of these cellars end up blocked with rubble most of the time, and since there is no ventilation system there and trying to remove the rubble from the inside is also dangerous...I'd rather get crushed by the crumbling walls that sit in a cellar and wait for the air to run out.

I suppose that you have not considered any more the possibility of evacuating..

No safe evacuation routes at the moment. The roads are either mined or lead towards areas with Russian troops, the railroad is damaged...

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

The media is making it sound like the war is basically over. Like the Russians have retreated from the Kiev area and that all these bodies have been found along the side of the road (civilians with their hands tied behind their backs). I am also hearing of evacuated Ukrainians returning to the country.

I'm sure it's a really bad situation still of course. But tbh I am glad the death tolls are not even higher. When I think of true genocide I would imagine the deaths in the many tens of thousands but they seem to be relatively low. I hate to say that of course because any death is one too many. I think it's clear too that a large number of these Russian units are sick and twisted, and taking delight in killing and raping innocents.

I still wish we could get true, honest journalism though. There seems to be this trend of only showing whatever pulls at the heartstrings without solid, big-picture reporting.

Nessie I am glad you are okay and still with us. Much love to you.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

The media is making it sound like the war is basically over. Like the Russians have retreated from the Kiev area and that all these bodies have been found along the side of the road (civilians with their hands tied behind their backs). I am also hearing of evacuated Ukrainians returning to the country.

Well, sadly I don't think the media portrays this correctly...Russian Defence Ministry directly stated that they aren't retreating - they are regrouping to go in a different direction. Additionally, shelling of Kiev and the northern part of the country never stopped, plus they launched their missiles pretty much all over the country, even to the relatively safe western part, hitting strategic objects (airports, fuel storages etc.) everywhere. Realistically, best case scenario is that they will focus on one region (the unfortunate "disputed territories") and give up on the idea of taking over the capital. The actual good news are: several small towns and villages near Kiev that had it really really bad were liberated (at least for now), Kiev is, for the time being, not under a threat of being either blockaded or completely taken under Russian control, they finally left Chernobyl and stopped raising clouds of radioactive dust and threatening the entire Europe with a radioactive catastrophy, hopefully they'll soon realise why digging trenches in the soil around Chernobyl wasn't that good of an idea and wouldn't go back. Bad news - who knows what they're planning to do next, but ceasefire is extremely unlikely.

I'm sure it's a really bad situation still of course. But tbh I am glad the death tolls are not even higher. When I think of true genocide I would imagine the deaths in the many tens of thousands but they seem to be relatively low. I hate to say that of course because any death is one too many. I think it's clear too that a large number of these Russian units are sick and twisted, and taking delight in killing and raping innocents.

Of course it's a relief. But you've got to take into account that the territories that Russians actually successfully managed to take over is only a tiny part of the entire territory of Ukraine, they've been stuck near the borders with no major breakthroughs all this time. They took over one big city out of about 30 we have and, thankfully, there was no major violence there, and all these other places that has suffered horribly (Bucha, Irpen, Hostomel, even Mariupol) are relatively small towns, which is why death toll, thankfully, isn't that insane. I'm afraid if they were more successful, the death toll could be much higher. But I wouldn't call that genocide yet either, thankfully. That's a very serious word that shouldn't be brought up without a very serious reason.

 

[ornitier199]

Q: Are all you the same as Alexander? Like to hurt/enjoy hurting for money?
That name and nationality gives me severe ptsd.

 

[Smart No More]

Q: Are all you the same as Alexander? Like to hurt/enjoy hurting for money?
That name and nationality gives me severe ptsd.

You've lost me. What am I missing here? Who's Alexander, that likes to hurt for money?

 

[ornitier199]

You've lost me. What am I missing here? Who's Alexander, that likes to hurt for money?

No one. definitely no one. anymore to me.
Not something I want to dive back into. That's how I got this huge SH scar.
I'm sorry I should've never mentioned it, I hate seeing never me mentioning that name.

All that money, tears, I lost and pain is creeping back. Nope. please don't let it do it.
Only Ryan Jordan matters to me now.

 

[Smart No More]

No one. definitely no one. anymore to me.
Not something I want to dive back into. That's how I got this huge SH scar.
I'm sorry I should've never mentioned it, I hate seeing never me mentioning that name.

All that money, tears, I lost and pain is creeping back. Nope. please don't let it do it.
Only Ryan Jordan matters to me now.

Are you in the right thread?

Sorry if I sound insensitive. Sounds like something has and is traumatising you. Hard to know what to take seriously sometimes. But with the gresaest respect I think it's best for you to air this in your own thread or another more relevant one.