Sodium Nitrite deaths in the news

[KiraLittleOwl]

You don't have to worry about it. SN is only lethal when you consume over the recommended amount, and that goes *against* its intended usage. People outside of SS would classify that as SN "abuse". Lots of things could potentially be lethal, too. Knives, guns, antifreeze, and even detergent. It all depends on the user and how they use them. The government doesn't place bans on things that could potentially be "abused" as a CTB method.

Governments have tendency to ban relatively peaceful substances that can be used for suicide. Nobody is banning bleach, antifreeze or over the counter pills that shut down liver.
They don't want people to have an easy way out.

 

[khw777]

I don't see why you can't pour it on a nice juicy steak and call your last meal!

 

[CrushedHopes]

Governments have tendency to ban relatively peaceful substances that can be used for suicide. Nobody is banning bleach, antifreeze or over the counter pills that shut down liver.
They don't want people to have an easy way out.

You're not wrong. But right now, there is no indication that SN is going to be restricted; hence, there is no need for concern at this very moment.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

Another one in Portuguese:

LEM-BA: Mulher passa mal e morre após ingerir substância com nitrito de sódio

www.macaubenselife.com.br

"At about 2:50 pm on Friday, a woman named Inezi Scychocki Serafine, 50, from Erechim / Rio Grande do Sul, purposely took a substance with sodium nitrite, 20g diluted in 200ml of water."

She knew the method.

 

[Are you lost too?]

Is there a dateline to this story ?

No.. it is very vague. It only says that she was sick because of it, her son took her to a clinic, they did everything they could to save her but she died. The police was informed and they went to the place (not sure if the hospital or her house).

 

[Roger]

She knew the method.

Quite specific report - not only mentions sodium nitrite, but also the dosage, viz. 20gm in 200 ml water. In many countries that would be suppressed in meejah reports.

 

[Are you lost too?]

Quite specific report - not only mentions sodium nitrite, but also the dosage, viz. 20gm in 200 ml water. In many countries that would be suppressed in meejah reports.

Welcome to Brazil !

 

[Stan]

Surprised that they could not save her. Must have been a clinic that was not very well stocked I am guessing.

 

[Are you lost too?]

Weird indeed. According to the journal this is the clinic she was sent to - it doesn't seem small from the pictures. It's also a private clinic, which are the best ones on Brazil .

Maybe she was already too far gone ... it doesn't really say how long it took for his son to find her.

http://www.clinicasaocamiloba.com/

 

[MeltingHeart]

She knew the method.

That sounds like too much water though- but hey it worked - just too much saltiness to drink!

 

[Meant2Die]

I dont mean to sound rude, but how could they possibly know how much water she ingested or even mixed it with? Can they time travel to see her doing it? DId she have a recipe written and left out behind where she did it? Did they just look at the cup and figure "oh that looks about 200ml"? (No need to respond to my ramblings, I just ponder these things.) The 200 is very close to the actual protocol though so it fits.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Ahh I see, that's a good point though - maybe just a measuing cup with a line marked on it- a note book with instructions - or could they test like the liquid volume in post-morten or
something? Dunno, v. surprised they did print this detail though tbh.

 

[Wreck-it-Riley]

they might have known it was suicide, and looked up some figures? seen the package of SN and said sure?

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

Found this today, May he rest in peace.

Man killed himself after taking hazardous chemical sparking major bio-hazard emergency, inquest hears

Twenty-five year-old Ashley Walker died after taking a lethal dose of sodium nitrite.

coventryobserver.co.uk

 

[Cheezmam]

Found this today, May he rest in peace.

Man killed himself after taking hazardous chemical sparking major bio-hazard emergency, inquest hears

Twenty-five year-old Ashley Walker died after taking a lethal dose of sodium nitrite.

coventryobserver.co.uk

Why the hazmat?!

 

[Roger]

Why the hazmat?!

Most likely because the emergency services didn't know what they were dealing with. Somebody calls them on 999, describes a blue body, unexpected death . . . . . . recent memories of the Novichok nerve agent used in Salisbury will be in their minds.

Of course, that has to be conjecture on my part, but it seems to be a very plausible explanation to me.
It's likely that more and more reports of SN deaths will appear in the press, given the explosion of interest and awareness in the method. So far the reports seem to be local news, reported in local newspapers, but I predict it won't be too long until a national media outlet, be it press or television, picks up on the matter. Then we'll have the usual sort of response: a national newspaper will "campaign against killer chemical," a TV expose in something like Panorama* will be aired, and there will be pressure for "something must be done."

I've pointed out in several posts over the months just how easy it would be for a UK government to bring SN into the legal category which needs a licence to acquire and keep - there is a "Henry VIII" clause in the Poisons Act which can facilitate this. There may be some food industry reluctance to see this happen, as they would not like to see a chemical which they use widely being highlighted as a deadly poison in this way. Possibly a voluntary code to restrict supply may be suggested, and the indications (to me at least) are that this is already happening.

Timewise, the authorities have the drop on us. They will have been able to collate reports of SN deaths long before they are made public. In this case (post #44) there has been a 3 month lag between the event and the press report.

No doubt there will be nitrite/nitrate confusion in reporting, though the reports have so far been pretty accurate in that respect.

*My reference to Panorama won't mean anything to non-UK Forum members. It's a BBC current affairs/news programme which has done some good investigatory work over the years.

 

[Daniela]

Most likely because the emergency services didn't know what they were dealing with. Somebody calls them on 999, describes a blue body, unexpected death . . . . . . recent memories of the Novichok nerve agent used in Salisbury will be in their minds.

Of course, that has to be conjecture on my part, but it seems to be a very plausible explanation to me.

almost makes me want to consider a different method. Almost

Either that or leaving a whole dissertation of a suicide note, which I swore I'd NEVER do.

 

[morningdew]

I wonder if these people followed the entire regimen or just swallowed the SN in water with no antiemetic or antacid.

good question. You can't trust anecdotal stories. I'd like to be able to match the news stories with usernames on here. Nitrogen has been my method of choice but all this SN talk does make me wonder. I just don't want to end up worse off. Clearly it works for some people but there are also stories of people ending up much worse off after a failed attempt.

 

[tom90]

I dont mean to sound rude, but how could they possibly know how much water she ingested or even mixed it with? Can they time travel to see her doing it? DId she have a recipe written and left out behind where she did it? Did they just look at the cup and figure "oh that looks about 200ml"? (No need to respond to my ramblings, I just ponder these things.) The 200 is very close to the actual protocol though so it fits.

I have measured and marked two cups with 75ml, so that would be easy to tell.

 

[Stan]

Clearly it works for some people but there are also stories of people ending up much worse off after a failed attempt.

I'd be interested to see those stories.

 

[morningdew]

She knew the method.

I forget the username but the avatar was a vw bus and had post they were from brazil. I wonder if this news story matches up

 

[Heart of Ice]

I wonder if any of us will make the news...

 

[MaybeMaybeKnot]

Interesting. Half the articles say nitrate and half say nitrite. I wonder if they are typos.

 

[Roger]

Interesting. Half the articles say nitrate and half say nitrite. I wonder if they are typos.

See penultimate paragraph in my post #46 above.

I forget the username but the avatar was a vw bus and had post they were from brazil. I wonder if this news story matches up

Was that @trynacbt ?

Doesn't match up.

 

[morningdew]

See penultimate paragraph in my post #46 above.


Was that @trynacbt ?

Doesn't match up.

yep, that was the one I was thinking of. The timing and county were my only reasons to think it may be a match. I know the odds were low.

 

[MaybeMaybeKnot]

yep, that was the one I was thinking of. The timing and county were my only reasons to think it may be a match. I know the odds were low.

And if she concealed the evidence that it was SN, it could take up to 90 days for the toxicology report to come out. So it may be a while before we see her obit.

 

[Deleted member 13412]

it rly sucks tht they put names n sometimes pics of the ppl who died, it should be anonymous in my opinion );

 

[animatriste]

From my Italy...

Donna morta a Barletta, non era sorbitolo ma nitrito di sodio - Il Fatto Quotidiano

E’ stato il nitrito di sodio a uccidere Teresa Sunna, la 28enne deceduta sabato in un centro privato di gastroenterologia di Barletta. Il nitrito di sodio, conservante autorizzato solo per la conservazione della carne, era presente nel sorbitolo E420 assunto dalla ragazza, come comunicato ieri...

www.ilfattoquotidiano.it

 

[Roger]

From my Italy...

Donna morta a Barletta, non era sorbitolo ma nitrito di sodio - Il Fatto Quotidiano

E’ stato il nitrito di sodio a uccidere Teresa Sunna, la 28enne deceduta sabato in un centro privato di gastroenterologia di Barletta. Il nitrito di sodio, conservante autorizzato solo per la conservazione della carne, era presente nel sorbitolo E420 assunto dalla ragazza, come comunicato ieri...

www.ilfattoquotidiano.it

An accident then. SN (E250) packaged as sorbitol (E420 - sweetener). An ebay purchase from Ireland, it is thought.


No anti emetics, of course, and the SN purity given as 70%.

 

[Qbert]

And Ebay is blocking sorbitol sales.