Sodium azide megathread

[nothingbutmybest]

As I'm strongly against the idea of requiring antiemetics since there's a lot of issues with obtaining it and even ensuring the antiemetic works, would taking this rectally work better?

This is the second easiest poison to obtain in the States if worst comes to worst and SN is banned so just checking my options. I know this method is unpredictable but I have to check my options.

What would the first easiest be? That said, it still doesn't seem that easy to obtain here in the US

 

[clonadream]

There are suppliers in Europe as well...
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...just to give some examples

Are there suppliers in south america/Argentina as well? As far as I'm aware, my country has kind of strict regulations for most chemicals and drugs, and between them are the most typical ones recommended here for CTB.

 

[UKscotty]

Isn't sodium azide highly explosive? Might raise some flags buying that.

 

[Circles]

Isn't sodium azide highly explosive? Might raise some flags buying that.

Yes, and if you're not familiar with SA whatsoever then it can be too unpredictable if you're not fully aware or prepared when handling it:

Laboratory Safety Manual - Chapter 11: Explosive and Reactive Chemical Hazards

This chapter provides resources that can help you prevent a laboratory accident due to mishandling explosive substances, or mixing incompatible reactive substances. This chapter details several specific examples of explosive and reactive hazards that are common in laboratories.

policies.unc.edu

"Sodium Azide (NaN3) can react with copper and lead (including copper and lead in plumbing) to produce explosive copper or lead azide. Use caution when drain disposing substances that contain ANY amount of sodium azide. Even the trace amounts (<1%) used as an antimicrobial in many chemical mixtures and reagent test kits can react with copper or lead in areas such as P-traps; there is the potential for prolonged contact between the azide and lead/copper that might be in these traps. Do not drain dispose of any substances with trace amounts of sodium azide. Sodium azide is also highly toxic, and can explosively decompose due to heat, shock, concussion, or friction."

 

[Mamihlapinatapei]

Maybe a question which has already been answered, but what would be the preference of one over the other? So SN over SA, or the other way around? Is there a significant difference? I searched on the forum, but didn't find anything. Sorry if it has already been discussed a lot.

 

[Talvikki]

Maybe a question which has already been answered, but what would be the preference of one over the other? So SN over SA, or the other way around? Is there a significant difference? I searched on the forum, but didn't find anything. Sorry if it has already been discussed a lot.

SN is rated higher than SA.

New info on SA is coming soon.

 

[Mamihlapinatapei]

How will you guys dispose of the SN or SA that you're not using?

 

[Talvikki]

There are concerns about how peaceful an sodium azide death is, leading to some uncertainty about its peaceful classification of 6 in the PPH.

Questions remain about how long it takes to lose consciousness and the chance of unpleasant side effects before death.

https://www.peacefulpillhandbook.com/middel-x-update/

 

[Talvikki]

The toxicologist who discovered the sodium azide method, believes the PPH is recommending an incorrect dosage.

The toxicologist who, along with CLW, developed the idea that sodium azide could be used for suicide/self-euthanasia has spoken publicly for the first time.

For seven years, he kept silent, turning away journalists. But now, he feels he must speak out.

The toxicologist explains that he issued a warning in 2017, which was ignored. He believes that reports of distressing deaths from sodium azide are due to incorrect dosing.

He suggests that CLW and the PPH may be recommending an incorrect dose, specifically the 2 gram amount.

Now, his advice is being reviewed by a toxicologist from the Erasmus University Medical Center based in Rotterdam, The Netherlands.

She's explains that a revised dose could potentially lead to faster effects on the brain or heart, resulting in a shorter and possibly less distressing process.

Source
Argos journalistic investigation (Dutch)
https://www.vpro.nl/argos/media/luister/podcasts/dolle-minas-van-de-dood/de-research.html

 

[TheHolySword]

This method terrifies me but I think it's going to be my backup over SN (especially with the potentially revised info that's seemingly been coming out). I just wish this were all a lot easier and simpler lol

 

[Mamihlapinatapei]

I'm a bit misunderstanding why people are so concerned about 'taking the right dose' while I only see a minimum purchase of 250 grams. Why not just split that in 3 in case the first batch fails there are 2 back up batches in ridiculous large doses?

You want to overdose, right?

 

[Forveleth]

He suggests that CLW and the PPH may be recommending an incorrect dose, specifically the 2 gram amount.
...
She's explains that a revised dose could potentially lead to faster effects on the brain or heart, resulting in a shorter and possibly less distressing process.

Source
Argos journalistic investigation (Dutch)
https://www.vpro.nl/argos/media/luister/podcasts/dolle-minas-van-de-dood/de-research.html

Do we know what the revised dose is? I'm assuming it's more.