Resource SN megathread

[OfficerK]

Then can you please show me reports that the dying is peaceful and quick?

Can you find a post where I claim that it is quick and peaceful? I have said that it is probably reliable, and I have quoted Nitschke as saying that it is "relatively peaceful". In this post (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite.111/page-3#post-5887) I even quote Nitschke as saying that nitrite can cause headaches. This (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-vs-n-method.2686/#post-35149) post was the closest I could find, but that is me asking a question where I even include a disclaimer.

You will have a hard time finding a medical trial on the peacefulness of sodium nitrite, even less so under circumstances where both an antiemetic and a gastric acid inhibitor has been used. I can't imagine anyone other than EXIT going through trials like that, which they claim to have done. They don't hold the same weight as a medical reports, as you've stated before, so they'll have little significance if you distrust the organisation.



Reliability of sodium nitrite:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1371420/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15563659509000462?journalCode=ictx19
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-ac...odium-nitrite-2157-7145.1000262.php?aid=36065 (vomiting but no medical attention)

 

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Here are a few more case studies of SN poisoning, for people's perusal:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2016/9013816/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1158764
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.35.11.1217
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5129a2.htm

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Can you find a post where I claim that it is quick and peaceful? I have said that it is probably reliable, and I have quoted Nitschke as saying that it is "relatively peaceful". In this post (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite.111/page-3#post-5887) I even quote Nitschke as saying that nitrite can cause headaches. This (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-vs-n-method.2686/#post-35149) post was the closest I could find, but that is me asking a question where I even include a disclaimer.

You will have a hard time finding a medical trial on the peacefulness of sodium nitrite, even less so under circumstances where both an antiemetic and a gastric acid inhibitor has been used. I can't imagine anyone other than EXIT going through trials like that, which they claim to have done. They don't hold the same weight as a medical reports, as you've stated before, so they'll have little significance if you distrust the organisation.



Reliability of sodium nitrite:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1371420/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15563659509000462?journalCode=ictx19
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-ac...odium-nitrite-2157-7145.1000262.php?aid=36065 (vomiting but no medical attention)

Sorry i didnt bother looking at the links as i have seen how lethal SN is. But quick and painless, it's definitely not. I think we have already discussed why Nitschke only quoted one case of monitored death of an elderly patient weighing only 46kg. Where are the results of the other clinical deaths ? Exit and Nitschke have been doing monitored deaths for over 1 year and we only have one account of a peaceful and quick death, why I wonder.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Here are a few more case studies of SN poisoning, for people's perusal:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criem/2016/9013816/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1158764
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.35.11.1217
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5129a2.htm

Which one is peaceful and quick pls?

 

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Something that's worrying me greatly about SN is the cyanosis - the skin turning blue. Apparently this can range from a 'greenish grey' color, to parts of a person turning nearly black.
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-ac...odium-nitrite-2157-7145.1000262.php?aid=36065
https://www.poison.org/articles/causes-and-symptoms-of-nitrate-nitrite-poisoning-174

On the 'This Really Happened' box, a person turns navy blue:
https://www.poison.org/articles/causes-and-symptoms-of-nitrate-nitrite-poisoning-174

Parts of the face turning purplish:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1158764

Sky-blue parts:
https://www.wired.com/2011/01/blue-man/

Slate colored skin:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1158764

Gah, I just want to take a pill and fall asleep. And look normal. My poor mom.

How do others feel about this?

 

[요한나]

I live in countries where tagamet + metoclopramide is a specialty medicine
so I am planning to eat Cimetidine zantac 75g x 12 = 900mg + Domperidon 10mg x 10 =100mg
at once, but do you think my plan is okay?

 

[OfficerK]

Which one is peaceful and quick pls?

I have to go now, but her third link describes five subjects going unconscious shortly after onset of symptoms, which started between five and thirty minutes after eating the nitrite.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

I live in countries where tagamet + metoclopramide is a specialty medicine
so I am planning to eat Cimetidine zantac 75g x 12 = 900mg + Domperidon 10mg x 10 =100mg
at once, but do you think my plan is okay?

Are you planning on SN as a method?

 

[요한나]

Are you planning on SN as a method?

Yes I have 100% sn 1kg, and I plan on the sn.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Yes I have 100% sn 1kg

Yeah its lethal as long as you take 15 or more grams of sn, zantac i take it is 75mg x 12. You might want to take some otc pain reliever in case of cramps or headache.

 

[요한나]

Yeah its lethal as long as you take 15 or more grams of sn, zantac i take it is 75mg x 12. You might want to take some otc pain reliever in case of cramps or headache.

otc painreliever Can you recommend it? Tylenol-ER Tab. (Acetaminophen)650mg or aspirin tab 500mg How about ?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

otc painreliever Can you recommend it?

Tylenol always worked best for me 2000mg.

Personally ill be drunk, taking kratom and any other benzo or otherwise before drinking the sn, weed may not be bad either as it has antiemetic properties, along with the tagamet and metoclopramide 1 hour before. Might as well leave in a good mood.

 

[요한나]

Tylenol always worked best for me 2000mg.

Personally ill be drunk, taking kratom and any other benzo or otherwise before drinking the sn, weed may not be bad either as it has antiemetic properties, along with the tagamet and metoclopramide 1 hour before. Might as well leave in a good mood.

Unfortunately, there is no sleeping pills. Are you planning on sn?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Unfortunately, there is no sleeping pills. Are you planning on sn?

Thats the current plan yes. You could take sleeping pills like Tylenol pm, or just wait till your really sleep deprived, you'll lose consciousness before death with sn, as long as your not found its over.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

I have to go now, but her third link describes five subjects going unconscious shortly after onset of symptoms, which started between five and thirty minutes after eating the nitrite.

This is what you claimed to be quick and peaceful?

"On September 25, 1944, a report was received by the Department of Health from a hospital in lower New York City that 11 old men had been- admitted to the hospital with cyanosis and shock. The investigation -indicated that all of them had become ill that morning between 7:15 and 10 A.M. In each instance illness occurred within 5 to 30 minutes after eating breakfast in a. cafeteria on Chatham Square. All were between 60 and 80 years of age and all were of the derelict type, living in cheap rooming houses on the Bowery. Seven of those ill lived in the same rooming fiouse; the other four lived in different rooming houses of the same type, and were unacquainted with each other. The clinical picture was similar in all. Within 5 to 30 minutes after breakfast, the involved individuals became dizzy, felt weak, and complained of abdominal cramps. Eight of them vomited and all had diarrhea. Five of them became unconscious shortly after onset of symptoms. All were admitted to the hospital by ambulance."

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

This is what you claimed to be quick and peaceful?

"On September 25, 1944, a report was received by the Department of Health from a hospital in lower New York City that 11 old men had been- admitted to the hospital with cyanosis and shock. The investigation -indicated that all of them had become ill that morning between 7:15 and 10 A.M. In each instance illness occurred within 5 to 30 minutes after eating breakfast in a. cafeteria on Chatham Square. All were between 60 and 80 years of age and all were of the derelict type, living in cheap rooming houses on the Bowery. Seven of those ill lived in the same rooming fiouse; the other four lived in different rooming houses of the same type, and were unacquainted with each other. The clinical picture was similar in all. Within 5 to 30 minutes after breakfast, the involved individuals became dizzy, felt weak, and complained of abdominal cramps. Eight of them vomited and all had diarrhea. Five of them became unconscious shortly after onset of symptoms. All were admitted to the hospital by ambulance."

After you go unconscious it will be, they say it was most likely a combo of sn in the oatmeal (which nobody else fell ill from eating) and a salt shaker filled with sn. Not much sn ,and 5 fell unconscious shortly after symptoms developed. Taken with metoclopramide and tagamet effects will drastically increase and time to unconsciousness will be decreased.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

After you go unconscious it will be, they say it was most likely a combo of sn in the oatmeal (which nobody else fell ill from eating) and a salt shaker filled with sn. Not much sn ,and 5 fell unconscious shortly after symptoms developed. Taken with metoclopramide and tagamet effects will drastically increase and time to unconsciousness will be decrea sed.

Where does it say that taking anti-emetics and tagamet will decrease the time to loss of consciousness ? And how much SN makes it a peaceful and quick exit? I would really like to learn.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Metoclopramide in addition to being an antiemetic is largely used for "gerd" it works by speeding up digestion. Tagamet does the same thing (except the antiemetic part). 4 or 5 grams is considered fatal so the 15 grams suggested in the ppeh seems sufficient. I would imagine increasing the dose would give more side effects but likely would lessen the time of those side effects and death.

I dont know not a perfect method but seems fairly attractive, if someone is worried about pain there is nothing stopping anyone from throwing in those kinds of meds as well. Im thinking this method is likely to cause nausea even with meto.

If someone is worried about diarrhea they could flush out there system with magnesium sulfate.

 

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Metoclopramide in addition to being an antiemetic is largely used for "gerd" it works by speeding up digestion. Tagamet does the same thing (except the antiemetic part). 4 or 5 grams is considered fatal so the 15 grams suggested in the ppeh seems sufficient. I would imagine increasing the dose would give more side effects but likely would lessen the time of those side effects and death.

I dont know not a perfect method but seems fairly attractive, if someone is worried about pain there is nothing stopping anyone from throwing in those kinds of meds as well. Im thinking this method is likely to cause nausea even with meto.

If someone is worried about diarrhea they could flush out there system with magnesium sulfate.

With all due respect, what you said above has been repeated ad nauseum but it is your GUESS without any scientific proof. Why would you risk something so important up to chance. The only attractive thing about this method is you can pay 10 bucks and get it delivered to your doorsteps but it wouldnt be attractive any more if it doesn't give you a quick and peaceful death.

 

[Duqu]

It can but its gonna kick in later and not at the same time since you have to swallow a lot of the capsules.

Sorry I missed your post.

I think I'll still do it that way (I take a LOT of meds at once with just one sip of water every day 4x a day - at least 15 pills at once some of them giant - ever seen 1000mg keppra?? lol). I'll take the tagamet and meto in pill form too (though earlier I guess) and probably the benzo's and some opioids and 3x my dosage of thorazine (antipsychotic I use for sleep; also, handily, an antiemetic) then when I feel a little tired I'll take the SN in pill form. I don't want to risk throwing it up because of taste or gag reflex (which I have a really strong one - luckily pills don't usually set it off unless there's not enough water) because I have a really bad gag reflex from years of purging (yay eating disorder).

 

[Arak]

@Duqu ,

If I may ask, how did or will you obtain the meto drug ? Your doctor ?

 

[Arak]

Sodium nitrite will induce hypoxia if all goes well. But you don't get that effect that you'll get with nitrogen or helium in the sense that it does not eliminate co2 and thus is somewhat similar to co poisoning, or do you ?

Asking to make sure.

 

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My blood pressure was 76/41 at the doctor's today Here's to going out in 3 minutes flat with SN-induced (further) hypotension.

 

[samsays89]

Well I just ordered everything I need. Should get here by 17th through 29th.

 

[ikuchan]

i've decided to attempt next weekend, my antiemetic regime is 4x a day leading up to d-day but idk how much to take before i take the 20g of sn (is taking too much meto bad?) and idk how much tagamet i should take either as i have 200mg and it's advised to take the 800mg one... any help is appreciated

 

[Readytoendit]

I've just now got the sodium nitrite in the mail. I want to look at it to make sure it's okay. How long will the nitrite last if I open the bottle.

 

[Readytoendit]

i've decided to attempt next weekend, my antiemetic regime is 4x a day leading up to d-day but idk how much to take before i take the 20g of sn (is taking too much meto bad?) and idk how much tagamet i should take either as i have 200mg and it's advised to take the 800mg one... any help is appreciated

I don't know about the antiemetic, but for the tagamet I have the same box you have. I just plan to swallow 4 pills before the nitrite.

 

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It strikes me as so, I don't know, weird or strange or 'funny' that we all have the same kit going. There it is.

 

[요한나]

If I eat sodium nitrite in excess of 15 g of ppeh, will death time get faster?
What are the side effects of eating more than 20 grams of sodium nitrite?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12024-018-0036-1 There is a report that he died in seven hours

 

[samsays89]

If I eat sodium nitrite in excess of 15 g of ppeh, will death time get faster?
What are the side effects of eating more than 20 grams of sodium nitrite?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12024-018-0036-1 There is a report that he died in seven hours

The report showed sn levels of 3.5 g per kg of meat, so I'd guess the man ate less then a kg since it's hard to imagine a 70 year old man eating 2 kg of meat. Also the man died from heart complications and not methemoglobinemia.

The lethal level of sn in humans is 71mg/kg so for a 100kg male that's just 7.1 grams. If you take 15 if should be more than enough but if you take more it may make you more likely to vomit? That's the only thing that worries me. Vomiting too much. There were users on this site who attempted sn, vomited, went for help, and were later rescued.

This site shows successful cases despite vomiting.

https://www.omicsonline.org/open-ac...odium-nitrite-2157-7145.1000262.php?aid=36065

I'd stick with 15g, but maybe have another glass ready nearby in case you vomit. If you're really worried about not ingesting the right level there's always the exit bag.