BPD_LE
The Queen of Meme
- Aug 11, 2019
- 1,576
I'm confused about metoclopramide and water quantity.
You writed that the last dose is 3x10 mg. I made my plan based on other threads with only 1x10 mg. I can drink 3x, but is this necessary? Will this give me more chance to die?
And second, 20g in 50 ml of water. I plan to use 17-18g in 100ml of water. Is this also fine?
You writed that the last dose is 3x10 mg. I made my plan based on other threads with only 1x10 mg. I can drink 3x, but is this necessary? Will this give me more chance to die?
And second, 20g in 50 ml of water. I plan to use 17-18g in 100ml of water. Is this also fine?
Stan
Factoid Hunter
- Aug 29, 2019
- 2,589
sammii
I have no idea what I’m doing.
- Oct 9, 2019
- 221
Thanks @Stan this is super helpful! Also really amusing so thanks for making me laugh too 
@Stan thanks a ton for this bro. This is the first post I have read twice & that too every word if it. I usually tend to skim thru some less important stuff ... But not this one mate , even the questions posted by some others have been Informative . looking forward to ur next draft/ version.
Also one more thought regarding redundant " popcorn" questions posed by some, I fully agree it just hijacks the post and not the right place for it, but most ppl here are already In some sort of depression or suffer from poor mental state & are in paranoia of failure and clutching at straws... So thinking clearly may not be what can be expected of all. Just my opinion though.
Also one more thought regarding redundant " popcorn" questions posed by some, I fully agree it just hijacks the post and not the right place for it, but most ppl here are already In some sort of depression or suffer from poor mental state & are in paranoia of failure and clutching at straws... So thinking clearly may not be what can be expected of all. Just my opinion though.
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BPD_LE
The Queen of Meme
- Aug 11, 2019
- 1,576
k75
L'appel du Vide
- Jun 27, 2019
- 2,546
So, umm... Will sparkling water decrease the effectiveness of SN? Will the carbonation create sodium nitrate?
fightingsioux
Specialist
- Oct 22, 2019
- 357
Been reading almost everything here and elsewhere, including your "New & Improved" guide. I'm just so impressed, not only with the quality of the information, but the obvious time and effort it took to produce it. Not to mention the compassionate concern.
Every single human being has a very slightly different physiology. We share 99.999% of the basics, but everyone is somehow unique physically, chemically, genetically, etc. Especially when it comes to medicine, there's no 100% one-size-fits-all treatment. Readers of this thread and others similar to it need to remember this.
You reference this idea quite well when you point out that if someone has a history of ulcers in the stomach or anywhere else in the digestive tract, SN might not be for them.
For me, and I realize this might sound kind of silly, I've always had a weak stomach. Even as a kid, just the sight or smell of some foods made me vomit! I've had to watch what I eat and drink very carefully my whole life. All this has only gotten worse now that I'm 71. (Old people's stomachs seem to revert back to infancy, like their minds.
)Anyway, I don't think that all the anti-emetics in Europe and the U.S. combined would stop me from puking the SN right back up! The only way to find out definitively would be to actually give it a fully fledged try, and that seems costly, time-inefficient, and perhaps downright unpleasant. Nope, it seems like a fabulous method but SN is not for me.
Along that line, and relating to your warning about ulcers and SN, people need to find what's right for them, what really fits. If you've got a lifelong fear of heights or a serious phobia about deep water, perhaps jumping or drowning is not the right method for you! It's stressful enough, why make it even harder on yourself? Go with the flow.
As the old saying goes, where there's a will there's a way. And in this case, a reliable and peaceful way.
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BlueWidow
Visionary
- Oct 6, 2019
- 2,179
I also wanted to add my thanks for all your hard work, dedication, and research. It has been extremely helpful to me and cleared up a lot of confusion that I had. It's been especially helpful to me to have everything in one place. I have extreme difficulty concentrating and focusing on things and this thread has been so much easier to search than the other ones are.
I have read it and reread it, and intend to do so again with pen and paper.
And thanks to everyone for the much-needed laughter!
I have read it and reread it, and intend to do so again with pen and paper.
And thanks to everyone for the much-needed laughter!
drake4871
The restless
- Sep 10, 2019
- 171
Great summary Stan, I would definitely support this being pinned or linked with the offical SN method
I just want to mention that it's actually super easy to get benzos. In fact, pretty much the easiest of all things listed.
Look into designer drugs, personally I recommend Clonazolam as it's very sedative and long-acting. Otherwise Etizolam is pretty nice too.
Other are: Flunitrazolam, Flualprazolam and probably others but I haven't tried them personally.
Edit: I literally found vendors on google by searching "Buy [substance name]" in my own language.
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Science Is Scary
Evidence is the path to the truth. Maybe.
- Oct 17, 2019
- 87
What do you think about adding some of the other symptoms mentioned on the Food and Drug Administration label for injectable sodium nitrite? It mentions them in the ""Adverse Reactions" and "Overdosage" sections.
@Stan I want to verify if my drugs are usable for SN as my date is coming up.
I had found mentions of an antiemetic called Meclizine suitable as a Metoclopramide alternative. Although Meclizine is an anti-histamine, Wikipedia says that it is also a dopamine blocker. What do you think?
I also found that in the Peaceful Pill Handbook, Dimenhydrinate was included as a common ctb antiemetic, despite it's also an antihistamine. How good is it against Meto?
I have no way to buy meto or the second/third-in-line alternatives, and all the attempts to get a prescription has failed.
Finally, a silly idea: would it be realistic to just tape my mouth shut after I take the SN? Although some will still come out through the nose if I vomits, it is a significantly smaller opening and should increase likelihood of enough SN remaining in the stomach?
I had found mentions of an antiemetic called Meclizine suitable as a Metoclopramide alternative. Although Meclizine is an anti-histamine, Wikipedia says that it is also a dopamine blocker. What do you think?
I also found that in the Peaceful Pill Handbook, Dimenhydrinate was included as a common ctb antiemetic, despite it's also an antihistamine. How good is it against Meto?
I have no way to buy meto or the second/third-in-line alternatives, and all the attempts to get a prescription has failed.
Finally, a silly idea: would it be realistic to just tape my mouth shut after I take the SN? Although some will still come out through the nose if I vomits, it is a significantly smaller opening and should increase likelihood of enough SN remaining in the stomach?
GreyMonkey
Heartbroken
- Aug 20, 2019
- 277
BPD_LE
The Queen of Meme
- Aug 11, 2019
- 1,576
Lethe
Fey
- Sep 19, 2019
- 670
In lieu of duct tape, will a ball gag suffice? Should I use a clothespin so that the vomit doesn't come out of my nose?
khw777
Just trying to catch a bus!
- Oct 18, 2019
- 235
Stan
Factoid Hunter
- Aug 29, 2019
- 2,589
If you think about those symptoms against those conditions, it states that it increases Methemoglobinemia which is exactly what you want.
Everything is at your own risk. Do your research and establish yourself if you think it will work or not.
You answered your question in the first 4 words
Thank you for being a good example that google is not a hard thing to use. Glad you were able to source things.
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Stan
Factoid Hunter
- Aug 29, 2019
- 2,589
I type this in another thread but thought I would also post it here
I'm going to say something a bit controversial. Nitschke does a great job at a high level in respect to promoting pro-choice, I have no doubt about it. My problem is when he actually goes into detail about some methods. PN did a tweet a few years ago and the 'Sodium Salt methods'. He described SN as, and I quote ' a very poor substitute to N'. But yet in the PPH he gives it a high score as well as saying in his last live conference that he would do it. So what is it? One or the other?
After doing a fair bit of research on the regimen I question the validity of how they recommend you prepare yourself with a list of medications to give yourself. The latest inclusion is the use of a drug called propranolol to minimise the fast (but not painful) heart rate you might get. Watching the video where he mentions it, an audience member asks for the dose. You can see his face searching for a number. "2gm" he replies. Researching that drug, that is an overdose. The maximum a doctor will prescribe is 1.2gm over a 24 hour period. What you are doing with that recommended amount is giving yourself an overdose. Guess what one of the symptoms is for a propranolol overdose is? Nausea! So all that effort to take antiemetics could be undone by another pointless regimen drug.
I'm going to say something a bit controversial. Nitschke does a great job at a high level in respect to promoting pro-choice, I have no doubt about it. My problem is when he actually goes into detail about some methods. PN did a tweet a few years ago and the 'Sodium Salt methods'. He described SN as, and I quote ' a very poor substitute to N'. But yet in the PPH he gives it a high score as well as saying in his last live conference that he would do it. So what is it? One or the other?
After doing a fair bit of research on the regimen I question the validity of how they recommend you prepare yourself with a list of medications to give yourself. The latest inclusion is the use of a drug called propranolol to minimise the fast (but not painful) heart rate you might get. Watching the video where he mentions it, an audience member asks for the dose. You can see his face searching for a number. "2gm" he replies. Researching that drug, that is an overdose. The maximum a doctor will prescribe is 1.2gm over a 24 hour period. What you are doing with that recommended amount is giving yourself an overdose. Guess what one of the symptoms is for a propranolol overdose is? Nausea! So all that effort to take antiemetics could be undone by another pointless regimen drug.
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passenger27
In my beginning is my end.
- Aug 25, 2019
- 642
I have a question I hope doesn't screw the thread up, but I'm not sure it's even been asked.
I have stomach ulcers. Would this still be a viable way to ctb or would it affect the method or pain level?
I have stomach ulcers. Would this still be a viable way to ctb or would it affect the method or pain level?
Stan
Factoid Hunter
- Aug 29, 2019
- 2,589
has been asked and is in the FAQ in the first page of the thread.
passenger27
In my beginning is my end.
- Aug 25, 2019
- 642
BPD_LE
The Queen of Meme
- Aug 11, 2019
- 1,576
Yes! This is important to bring up. When I heard this I thought no way is that right! I'm prescribed propranolol myself. 80mg a day. 2gms is a ridiculous amount!
MeltingHeart
Visionary
- Sep 9, 2019
- 2,151
Standardise?
I am not sure I quite understand people are worried about symptoms and adverse reactions- this would be relevant if you were taking a medication at a normal dose and wanted to know side effects, or had accidently injested a small amount of SN & wanted to find out what it cause, but as the whole idea is to take enough (as in far beyond the recommended therapeutic dose) in order to cause death, you are in a sense 'by- passing' the symptoms that might occur by just taking a little bit of SN - if it is just to know how you may be feeling during the process- this has aleady been v.well explained in the initial thead.
Right from the beginning I haven't fully trusted pn. I've always thought he's pulled stuff out of the air which then gets enshrined as the truth. You can see this in how much the sn regime has changed in the ppeh.
Stan
Factoid Hunter
- Aug 29, 2019
- 2,589
I knew my this thread was going to cause controversy through exactly what you just said. If read properly I am saying every regimen drug is a multiple choice thing. But because the PPH is regarded as a well researched document and that whatever comes out of PN's live conferences is gospel, then someone like me could be called a heretic. I have loads of time on my hands and have a fondness for researching things. I actually worried myself with that I was not reading things properly. My guess is that someone threw a symptom at him and then just gave a blase answer for each symptom without much regard to interactions or even worse, what the cocktails of drugs do together in total without factoring in any other drug. That's why i somewhat educated myself on human digestion.
