Method Shallow water blackout

[Virgo]

Thank you for this info. I've tried hanging,bags,pills,alcohol,and so on, multiple times and nothing has worked. I think I'll try this next.

Wouldn't recommend.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Figured I'd share my experience with this method. I read up a lot on shallow water blackout and also on blackouts through inhaling helium, so I decided to combine the two because that was bound to work.

1. Purchased a big tank of helium and used it to fill a large balloon.
2. Put on a weighted backpack
3. Kneeled in full bathtub
4. Hyperventilated
5. took a deep breath of helium from the ballon
6. Submerged my head face down and held my breath, expecting to go unconscious

I did unfortunately not go unconscious, even after emptying the entire balloon underwater. I then refilled the balloon while trying to hold my breath and repeated steps 5 and 6. I continued doing that until my entire 250 litres of helium were empty.
This was a few months ago. I'm not sure what went wrong. Logic dictates that I should have been out at some point.

I did feel very dizzy and foggy by the end of it, but also it was becoming near impossible to hold my breath for very long because at some point my body realized there was an oxygen shortage and ordered me to breathe faster.

Oxygen mixed with the helium?

 

[Deleted member 1768]

If you are face down in a full tub when you blackout, your body most likely won't turn over. I doubt The convulsions would be enough to flip your entire body around in a tub. It will splash some water out, so keep that in mind. Im 6'2, so I would hesitate using a bathtub for myself. Im buying a small kiddie pool lol. The bathtub should only be an option if you cannot do this is a large body of water like a closed outdoor pool, lake, river, or ocean. It's still very possible to use a bathtub, but I can't guarantee anything. That would be wrong of me.

I have had numerous seizures in the bath tub, and woke up underwater once. Blacked out again and came too on the floor beside the tub, soaking wet, my face surrounded by mucus. Yes you can turn around in the water. I did however seize and have never seen anyone have a grand mal. So it may have just been that, but you can definitely right yourself without even knowing. That is where I have always found myself. On the floor beside the bath ringing wet, and often slimy. They call it drowning...smile.

 

[24 Hour Store]

What about hyperventilating, then putting a bag over your head instead? I know it doesn't look accidental, that I don't care about.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

What about hyperventilating, then putting a bag over your head instead? I know it doesn't look accidental, that I don't care about.

I have to wonder about the air remaining in the bag Store. Not sure that would work. It is generally trained divers that die this way. I suspect without the water you would wake up. Could be wrong, but please check all the vids. about the method first.

 

[Sadgirl19]

Wouldn't recommend.

What are the cons? Just curious. If it's another high failure rate or something like that then I won't bother.

 

[Virgo]

What are the cons? Just curious. If it's another high failure rate or something like that then I won't bother.

It's a dumb method. You won't succeed.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

This seems similar to my initial planned method, but like a more effective version of it. My initial plan was to take sleeping meds, then just lie face down in a bathtub full of water. Maybe now I will combine my idea with this one? Like, do everything here, but also take the sleeping meds. Does anyone know if that would increase the effectiveness? A post from another user on this thread also gave me a good idea to add to my plan. A weighted back pack. That will ensure I stay underwater and am held still hopefully. So now my current plan looks like this.

1. I will take a large dose of sleeping meds.
2. I will put on the backpack.
3. I will hyperventilate.
4. I will hold my breath and lie face down in the tub.

Does that seem like a good plan? Thoughts? Any tips on anything I should add or change to increase effectiveness?

 

[Virgo]

This seems similar to my initial planned method, but like a more effective version of it. My initial plan was to take sleeping meds, then just lie face down in a bathtub full of water. Maybe now I will combine my idea with this one? Like, do everything here, but also take the sleeping meds. Does anyone know if that would increase the effectiveness? A post from another user on this thread also gave me a good idea to add to my plan. A weighted back pack. That will ensure I stay underwater and am held still hopefully. So now my current plan looks like this.

1. I will take a large dose of sleeping meds.
2. I will put on the backpack.
3. I will hyperventilate.
4. I will hold my breath and lie face down in the tub.

Does that seem like a good plan? Thoughts? Any tips on anything I should add or change to increase effectiveness?

Seems like a bad plan.

 

[longingforrelease]

I can't see this working for me but I can hold my breath for a very long time and have never passed out. Maybe it depends on your blood pressure or oxygen levels as to how easily you faint?

it's not just about holding your breath. The critical element is to hyperventilate BEFORE you start holding your breath.

 

[longingforrelease]

Seems like a bad plan.

It's a dumb method. You won't succeed.

Ok, I'm seriously leaning toward this method. For me it has the two advantages of 1) it appears to be relatively painless and 2) it easily would appear to look like an accident. But I'm as nervous and hesitant about ctb as anyone else here. So I'm struck by the certainty of your claims here that it's seems like a bad, even dumb method. I'm not being argumentative, please know that, but given the fact that this thread (and others) have presented 1) the science behind the method (i.e., hyperventilation altering the CO2/02 levels prior to extended breath holding leading to blackout that forces a breath, which because your under water leads to an unconscious drowning), 2) the widespread concern about the serious, fatal risks of SWB in the sporting, swimming and diving communities as seen in the form of public service announcements, and 3) a memorial site dedicated to those who have in fact died due to SWB, how do you still conclude in the face of all that evidence that this is a bad, dumb plan? Is there something missing in all the data provided here? Do you have some basis for concluding that it's a bad, dumb plan that you can share here that might help us see some flaw in this method that has been overlooked here? I'd be grateful if you could substantiate your claims because like everyone else here I'm searching for a reliable method. Thanks.

 

[weedoge]

Ok, I'm seriously leaning toward this method. For me it has the two advantages of 1) it appears to be relatively painless and 2) it easily would appear to look like an accident. But I'm as nervous and hesitant about ctb as anyone else here. So I'm struck by the certainty of your claims here that it's seems like a bad, even dumb method. I'm not being argumentative, please know that, but given the fact that this thread (and others) have presented 1) the science behind the method (i.e., hyperventilation altering the CO2/02 levels prior to extended breath holding leading to blackout that forces a breath, which because your under water leads to an unconscious drowning), 2) the widespread concern about the serious, fatal risks of SWB in the sporting, swimming and diving communities as seen in the form of public service announcements, and 3) a memorial site dedicated to those who have in fact died due to SWB, how do you still conclude in the face of all that evidence that this is a bad, dumb plan? Is there something missing in all the data provided here? Do you have some basis for concluding that it's a bad, dumb plan that you can share here that might help us see some flaw in this method that has been overlooked here? I'd be grateful if you could substantiate your claims because like everyone else here I'm searching for a reliable method. Thanks.

I'm pretty certain nobody succeeded with it.

 

[longingforrelease]

I'm pretty certain nobody succeeded with it.

thanks for your reply. But same question. On what basis do you conclude that nobody succeeded with it when it's known to be so fatal? Here's a memorial to many who have died by SWB. They're not suicides (as far we know) but they're dead. http://www.shallowwaterblackoutprevention.org/memorials-1/

 

[weedoge]

thanks for your reply. But same question. On what basis do you conclude that nobody succeeded with it when it's known to be so fatal? Here's a memorial to many who have died by SWB. They're not suicides (as far we know) but they're dead. http://www.shallowwaterblackoutprevention.org/memorials-1/

Look, you can do what you need to do, but accidents happening does not mean that something is easy to reproduce for all people. People here attempted with this method and had no luck. I didn't mean nobody at all, just members here.

 

[Finallyhere]

Pretty sure it's possible if you exert the energy/breath and blackout in open water. Bath tub, nah. I doubt it's possible to do in water that you can easily stand in due to survival instinct.

 

[longingforrelease]

Look, you can do what you need to do, but accidents happening does not mean that something is easy to reproduce for all people. People here attempted with this method and had no luck. I didn't mean nobody at all, just members here.

thanks for our reply. I didn't realize that there was some indication here at SS that some have tried and failed SWB. This, in fact, is exactly the kind of information I was hoping critics of the method might have to support their criticisms. So I appreciate your response. I'll see if I can track down here threads with discussions of failed SWB.

 

[Virgo]

Ok, I'm seriously leaning toward this method. For me it has the two advantages of 1) it appears to be relatively painless and 2) it easily would appear to look like an accident. But I'm as nervous and hesitant about ctb as anyone else here. So I'm struck by the certainty of your claims here that it's seems like a bad, even dumb method. I'm not being argumentative, please know that, but given the fact that this thread (and others) have presented 1) the science behind the method (i.e., hyperventilation altering the CO2/02 levels prior to extended breath holding leading to blackout that forces a breath, which because your under water leads to an unconscious drowning), 2) the widespread concern about the serious, fatal risks of SWB in the sporting, swimming and diving communities as seen in the form of public service announcements, and 3) a memorial site dedicated to those who have in fact died due to SWB, how do you still conclude in the face of all that evidence that this is a bad, dumb plan? Is there something missing in all the data provided here? Do you have some basis for concluding that it's a bad, dumb plan that you can share here that might help us see some flaw in this method that has been overlooked here? I'd be grateful if you could substantiate your claims because like everyone else here I'm searching for a reliable method. Thanks.

Because I've done a little free diving. The people most at risk of swb are very experienced. If you want to spend a year training then yes this is a good method. If you don't want to put in a lot of training then it isn't a good method. Even with hyperventilating you are going to have a hard time blacking out. SWB occurs near the surface after you have used up to much oxygen while at deep depths.

 

[Virgo]

Look, you can do what you need to do, but accidents happening does not mean that something is easy to reproduce for all people. People here attempted with this method and had no luck. I didn't mean nobody at all, just members here.

Especially when these accidents are due to lots of training to be able to free dive to deep depths and hold your breath for long periods of time.

 

[longingforrelease]

Because I've done a little free diving. The people most at risk of swb are very experienced. If you want to spend a year training then yes this is a good method. If you don't want to put in a lot of training then it isn't a good method. Even with hyperventilating you are going to have a hard time blacking out. SWB occurs near the surface after you have used up to much oxygen while at deep depths.

Thanks Virgo. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. And no, I don't wish nor have the time to put in a lot of free dive training. But I am a scuba diver and a strong swimmer (life guard in my younger days). My lingering questions, however, relate to your claim that "SWB occurs near the surface after you have used up too much oxygen at deep depths." This may be too anecdotal for those still considering SWB as a method to ctb, but I just took a look at the memorial for SWB victims (http://www.shallowwaterblackoutprevention.org/memorials-1/) and of the 30 victims listed the overwhelming majority of them died in swimming pools because they merely engaging in breath holding exercises. That seems to suggest a certain viability to the method if one were to add the component of intentionally seeking to ctb by SWB by preceding entry into a swimming pool (in my case) with hyperventilation. Now as your comments would predict, there were about 5 or 6 experienced free divers on the list, but even one or two of them died without having actually been at depth before succumbing to SWB.

The reason this matters to me is that 1) it is vitally important that my death appear accidental (to spare my daughter the additional trauma of a known suicide) and 2) I strongly prefer a method that seems relatively painless. It would seem, for me at least, that there's more research to be done on the viability of SWB. Again, thanks for taking the time to expand on your views. I appreciate it.
peace

 

[weedoge]

Because I've done a little free diving. The people most at risk of swb are very experienced. If you want to spend a year training then yes this is a good method. If you don't want to put in a lot of training then it isn't a good method. Even with hyperventilating you are going to have a hard time blacking out. SWB occurs near the surface after you have used up to much oxygen while at deep depths.

Good info that probably wouldn't have been provided by anyone else. Goes to kind of prove that people need to start sourcing and researching their radical new methods before like, trying to market them as a viable method.

 

[Virgo]

Thanks Virgo. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. And no, I don't wish nor have the time to put in a lot of free dive training. But I am a scuba diver and a strong swimmer (life guard in my younger days). My lingering questions, however, relate to your claim that "SWB occurs near the surface after you have used up too much oxygen at deep depths." This may be too anecdotal for those still considering SWB as a method to ctb, but I just took a look at the memorial for SWB victims (http://www.shallowwaterblackoutprevention.org/memorials-1/) and of the 30 victims listed the overwhelming majority of them died in swimming pools because they merely engaging in breath holding exercises. That seems to suggest a certain viability to the method if one were to add the component of intentionally seeking to ctb by SWB by preceding entry into a swimming pool (in my case) with hyperventilation. Now as your comments would predict, there were about 5 or 6 experienced free divers on the list, but even one or two of them died without having actually been at depth before succumbing to SWB.

The reason this matters to me is that 1) it is vitally important that my death appear accidental (to spare my daughter the additional trauma of a known suicide) and 2) I strongly prefer a method that seems relatively painless. It would seem, for me at least, that there's more research to be done on the viability of SWB. Again, thanks for taking the time to expand on your views. I appreciate it.
peace

This is really hit or miss. I would recommend trying to find a different method.

 

[longingforrelease]

This is really hit or miss. I would recommend trying to find a different method.

fair enough. be well

 

[Virgo]

fair enough. be well

You could try to make yourself pass out by other means in water, but I don't know if you would wake up while you are drowning or if it would seem like a suicide.

 

[Virgo]

fair enough. be well

Also keep in mind you will need to use a weight. Which unless you are free diving will be quite clear that this was a suicide.

 

[longingforrelease]

You could try to make yourself pass out by other means in water, but I don't know if you would wake up while you are drowning or if it would seem like a suicide.

right, that's actually one of my concerns. I don't have any information on what a failed SWB might mean in terms of brain damage. If I were to survive but have brain damage, well then where the fuck would I be? No longer able to continue working as a faculty member at the university because I can't use my brain effectively and being 53 years old wouldn't leave me to many employment opportunities. I'd be even more motivated to ctb I'm sure, and would probably start to care less about hiding the fact that my death was suicidal from my daughter. Meaning I'd likely just jump or use N, since I'm here in Thailand. And I really want to do all I can to spare my daughter the additional trauma of a known suicide. So I'm still very much in research mode.
cheers.

 

[longingforrelease]

Also keep in mind you will need to use a weight. Which unless you are free diving will be quite clear that this was a suicide.

right. Thanks for that.

 

[Virgo]

right, that's actually one of my concerns. I don't have any information on what a failed SWB might mean in terms of brain damage. If I were to survive but have brain damage, well then where the fuck would I be? No longer able to continue working as a faculty member at the university because I can't use my brain effectively and being 53 years old wouldn't leave me to many employment opportunities. I'd be even more motivated to ctb I'm sure, and would probably start to care less about hiding the fact that my death was suicidal from my daughter. Meaning I'd likely just jump or use N, since I'm here in Thailand. And I really want to do all I can to spare my daughter the additional trauma of a known suicide. So I'm still very much in research mode.
cheers.

People black out and come out just fine if their partner resuscitates them. If you were on the surface while blacked out you might wake up to late at which point you might have brain damage.

 

[longingforrelease]

People black out and come out just fine if their partner resuscitates them. If you were on the surface while blacked out you might wake up to late at which point you might have brain damage.

right. A fate truly worse than death

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Can this be done in a bath by plunging only the head and leaving the body out? That's the only way to eliminate every possibility of being rescued.

 

[asianpsycho]

I tried this this morning and can't seem to pass out. I hyperventilated for about five minutes and start to feel really strong tingling in my limbs but was still fully conscious even after holding my breath. Does anyone have more specific instructions for this for it to be more effective? When hyperventilating, do I take quick, short breaths or long ones? Before holding my breath do I inhale or exhale? How long should I hyperventilate and what feeling should I be waiting for to be sure that I'll pass out when I hold my breath?