Discussion Plandemic 2 - Can we have a respectful discussion?

[Deleted member 18655]

It's okay to say you want to be anally probed. It wouldn't be the worst disclosure to have been made on this forum.

Laughing out loud at this post!

I'm honored to have been the one to instigate the inevitable devolution of this discussion.

I am by nature a sh*t disturber and love controversy. And my beliefs can do create that. But I don't want to poke too hard. But, now that you bring it up...aren't UFOs and Blue Beam part of QAnon? I follow two very well-educated podcasters who have also researched different aspects of Conspiracy Theories and they present this as provably existing. I don't know what to think about it. Would it shock me that there are Shapeshifters out there? Nothing shocks me anymore.

Now, to read the other posts,disturbing sh*t?

For me, that is the conundrum of this and other ostensible power-driven conspiracies: who is it that would stand to gain?

The WHO, the UN, the world economic powers, etc. That amount of money that's been lost in the past six months is massive to us, the peasants who were working and the small buniess owners who lost everything. But it's peanuts to the multi-billionaire oligarchs out there. Another Recession (that we were due anyways) is a small price to pay for both a New world Order and a Great Economic Reset.

For me, that is the conundrum of this and other ostensible power-driven conspiracies: who is it that would stand to gain?

The WHO, the UN, the world economic powers, etc. That amount of money that's been lost in the past six months is massive to us, the peasants who were working and the small buniess owners who lost everything. But it's peanuts to the multi-billionaire oligarchs out there. Another Recession (that we were due anyways) is a small price to pay for both a New world Order and a Great Economic Reset.

I think the OP is wholly to blame, and it is their total responsibility to get the discussion back onto the topic of how Covid19 is engineered top to bottom to create a global post-human totalitarian dystopia.

I'm going to call myself the Dead Post Mod.

Sorry, i've been fighting a migraine for a few days. Scrolling hurts

 

[esse_est_percipi]

acted like Trump is a victim and a patriot and a savior

Yes, there is a definite theological 'Good vs Evil, God vs Devil' vibe to it (where Trump is battling on the side of Good/God, of course) which seems obviously manufactured to keep the conservatives occupied and belligerent.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Yes, there is a definite theological 'Good vs Evil, God vs Devil' vibe to it (where Trump is battling on the side of Good/God, of course) which seems obviously manufactured to keep the conservatives occupied and belligerent.

There totally is. And if Trump is on the side of good/god....it blows my mind that someone could actually believe that. They do believe that. Decent people, intelligent people. What. The. Fuck.

 

[woxihuanni]

I think it is a moot point. Let us say assume, for argument's sake, that covid is as dangerous as flu. Then the whoring culture of extremely close contact with all and sundry and extreme obsession with travelling should be finished so long as flu exists. End of. Especially flights for fun. I am looking at all these cucks and whores who fly back and forth to have erotic illusions, and their whining about climate change. Simples, don't do that. Try to get a fleshlight/dildo, and some pills from the shrink for your rightful feelings of worthlessness.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

I do enjoy a good conspiracy theory but I don't debate them like I used to anymore. I call them conspiracy facts now because alot of "far fetched" theories of old are common knowledge and accepted reality now.

The "elite" have a saying of never let a tragedy/disaster go to waste. This also ties into the Hegelian Dialectics that they've used to control us for so long now. So of course they've lied about Covid and used it to their benefit.

 

[mediocre]

There totally is. And if Trump is on the side of good/god....it blows my mind that someone could actually believe that. They do believe that. Decent people, intelligent people. What. The. Fuck.

I think the evangelicals believe that.. but they were always a bit crazy weren't they? There seems to be a lot of people that vote for Trump even though they don't like him that much.. they are more voting against the democrats. They believe Biden is socialist which I don't understand. He's actually an establishment centrist.. a career politician..

 

[woxihuanni]

I think the evangelicals believe that.. but they were always a bit crazy weren't they? There seems to be a lot of people that vote for Trump even though they don't like him that much.. they are more voting against the democrats. They believe Biden is socialist which I don't understand. He's actually an establishment centrist.. a career politician..

Hehe, maybe they are conflating socialist with antifuckingsocial, I dunno.

 

[Torbasco]

It became very obvious that there was an agenda when the narrative around wearing masks turned around so quickly. It's easy to see it's about social conditioning and not public safety. It was always a scam by the elites connected to the gates foundation, they even flaunted it with event 201. Those sociopaths are more than happy to destroy the jobs and livelihoods of citizens to push a vaccine mandate. I don't even think this is a very wild conspiracy, considering the circumstances and all who are involved. The medical establishment has been ridiculously corrupt for decades. Allowing the opioid epidemic to exploit and destroy the middle class is just one example, on top of the staggering number of deaths from malpractice every year.

Computing Forever does some of my favorite "moderate" journalism on the topic that isn't too wacky or off the charts, but far enough from the mainstream to deny the narrative. I do like the bitchute videos with no filter sometimes, but those get a little wacky when 5G towers start getting mentioned. Not that I dismiss or disrespect those theories at all.

I want to CTB in part because I know we're headed to some real dystopian marxist nonsense with this whole thing. I really don't want a vaccine from a billionaire who openly advocates for mass population reduction.

 

[Deleted member 18655]

I'm not American but if the belief is true that a Plandemic was started to influence the Election, then good. That would mean there are only a few more weeks of this nightmare. But, as much as the U.S. is (or thinks it's) the centre of the world, the protocols (Lockdown, social distancing, contact tracing, masking up) reached every corner of the globe almost overnight. The U.S. wouldn't need compliance by tiny peon countries if the end goal was only the American Election to be swayed this way or that. Coincidence can only explain so much. There are only a few organisations that have that kind of scope. Once you look up their agendas, the story is reshaped.

It intrigues me that the U.S. successful seceded from the WHO at the height of it all. How this plays out will be interesting to watch...

 

[Deleted member 17949]

I don't think covid was manufactured

 

[mediocre]

I'm not American but if the belief is true that a Plandemic was started to influence the Election, then good. That would mean there are only a few more weeks of this nightmare. But, as much as the U.S. is (or thinks it's) the centre of the world, the protocols (Lockdown, social distancing, contact tracing, masking up) reached every corner of the globe almost overnight. The U.S. wouldn't need compliance by tiny peon countries if the end goal was only the American Election to be swayed this way or that. Coincidence can only explain so much. There are only a few organisations that have that kind of scope. Once you look up their agendas, the story is reshaped.

It intrigues me that the U.S. successful seceded from the WHO at the height of it all. How this plays out will be interesting to watch...

What do you mean a few more weeks? The election is not until November.

 

[LittleJem]

I 'fact-checked' some of the documentary - and there sure are a lot of facts in there.

I also found this: https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/sites/default/files/gated_development_final_version.pdf

I was not a conspiracy theorist - and I still am not - but this seems real to me.

 

[Deleted member 18655]

What do you mean a few more weeks? The election is not until November.

I know. it's what - 12 weeks? I meant that in relation to weeks or years. (Frankly, I'm still waiting for the end of the "two weeks to flatten the curve..."

I don't think covid was manufactured

WHY?! What makes you follow what the mainstream media presents rather than the kind of stuff we're talking about here? Are you American? And by that I mean is it your faith in your country not to mislead you? What do you think about "conspiracy theories?"

I love debate and conjecture: it's the other side I'm more interested in. I've been a black sheep all my life; these days the way "non-truthers" believe (for lack of a batter term) is my Holy Grail.

I 'fact-checked' some of the documentary - and there sure are a lot of facts in there.

I also found this: https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/sites/default/files/gated_development_final_version.pdf

I was not a conspiracy theorist - and I still am not - but this seems real to me.

Thanks for the link...and your openmindedness

 

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[Deleted member 18655]

Oh, no wonder people (like me) will be a COVID suicide! I don't own a TV and don't go to many different news sites and I've driven myself crazy from it all. The media could be the biggest culprit of all of this.

 

[Goghaway]

I live in new York. Im pretty sure that's a troll account. I don't know if that's actually deblasio
I hate Trump with every fiber of my being. He does have blood on his hands. Look what happened yesterday!

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Look what happened yesterday!

What happened? (sorry, I don't follow the news anymore).

 

[Goghaway]

Living in this country under this chaos makes me so anxious and depressed. I totally feel your pain, I suffer from chronic migraines too. I would do the hug thing but I haven't figured out how yet lol

What happened? (sorry, I don't follow the news anymore).

At the protests in Kenosha, WI for Jacob Blake (the Black man who was shot 7 times in the back in front of his kids by a white police officer) a 17yo vigilante militia guy who came with a group ostensibly to protect property from damage shot and killed two BLM protesters and wounded another. He had an AK type long gun. His social media was full of blue lives matter and Trump 2020. Not only is Trump ignoring the worst health crisis of this century, he is continually stoking racial tensions, with deadly results!

Living in this country under this chaos makes me so anxious and depressed. I totally feel your pain, I suffer from chronic migraines too. I would do the hug thing but I haven't figured out how yet lol

At the protests in Kenosha, WI for Jacob Blake (the Black man who was shot 7 times in the back in front of his kids by a white police officer) a 17yo vigilante militia guy who came with a group ostensibly to protect property from damage shot and killed two BLM protesters and wounded another. He had an AK type long gun. His social media was full of blue lives matter and Trump 2020. Not only is Trump ignoring the worst health crisis of this century, he is continually stoking racial tensions, with deadly results!

*Jacob Blake was shot this past Sunday and our country has been rioting and protesting since
It just makes me really really sad. I'm so to have steered you guys so far off topic.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I would do the hug thing but I haven't figured out how yet lol

If you hover your mouse cursor over the "like button" in a post, the hug emoji as well as a few others show up and you can select one as your reaction. Alternatively on mobile it might be different though on an iPhone, what I do is press the like react with my thumb until they show up. Hope this helps!

 

[melancholy_lily]

I believe it's a real, natural disease, but the scam is that we're still completely locked down due to political games after it's become clear that the virus is only severe for a very small part of the population and the secondary effects of lockdown loom. Thousands of renters will likely hit the streets when evictions return, millions of people are suffering from greater depression and despair, abuse is up, young children are stunted by remote classes and separation from their peers, a senior class lost part of the final year of education and will likely not able to enter the workforce until next year at best. Bravo, everyone.

 

[FriendofDeath]

I would agree with this point if it were really the case that we are dealing with a truly deadly virus that spreads like wildfire. And I'm not saying people haven't died of it. But hundreds of thousands of people die of the flu every year too.

However, someone who is more skeptical would point to the manipulation and inflation of the numbers, the lack of any real evidence that it is as deadly as we are told (we are shown images inside hospitals and told that x, y, z, has died of it, in the mainstrram news, but we know how the news functions as a propaganda organ and how it filters information to let people know only what it wants to let them know).

I'm not saying that people haven't died of covid, but perhaps just isolating the more vulnerable portions of the population would have been better, instead of shutting everything down for everyone and creating rigid liberty-destroying social rules, and possibly making the remedy worse than the disease.

I don't see why deaths due the virus (which imo have been exaggerated) are worse than deaths due to the lockdown itself and enforcement of rules (causing depression, isolation, anxiety, inability to.get treated for other illnesses/issues, loss of livelihood, suicide etc).
This is just how I see things.

Just an odd anecdote regarding suicide - our state, which is small in comparison to the rest of the world, I know, has had a double digit decrease in the number of suicides this year compared to last. What's with that?

People who follow orders otherwise they lose their livelihood is how they are pulling off the hoax. A friend of mine went to the doctor a couple weeks ago for strep throat. He said that the doctor told him they label all respiratory illnesses as Covid. He wouldn't make this up. If it was as bad as they say it is why do they have to count all deaths as Covid regardless of what the actual cause of death is. The hospitals get big bonuses to label deaths as Covid. It's always about the incentives. Most people have shallow morals and don't really care if other people are harmed because there's often one degree of separation from them being held directly accountable. The way the system is designed everyone gets off the hook for causing harm to others. There's a lot of perverse incentives that fuel the high numbers of deaths from Covid.

I finally saw my doctor in June, and they had no reported cases of Covid in the office, because anyone with symptoms was referred somewhere else,so I don't think this is everywhere.

I'm honored to have been the one to instigate the inevitable devolution of this discussion.

I REALLY wish we had a laughing emoticon!

 

[Dreamless Sleep]

I believe it's a real, natural disease, but the scam is that we're still completely locked down due to political games after it's become clear that the virus is only severe for a very small part of the population and the secondary effects of lockdown loom. Thousands of renters will likely hit the streets when evictions return, millions of people are suffering from greater depression and despair, abuse is up, young children are stunted by remote classes and separation from their peers, a senior class lost part of the final year of education and will likely not able to enter the workforce until next year at best. Bravo, everyone.

This is pretty much what I think.

I work in the medical field and there is no doubt its real... but even so I dont believe it's as deadly as the media has led us to believe it is for the current state of lockdown and businesses going under, etc.

And I cant say it's the case everywhere but in the US they are not treating every respiratory illness as covid. But they are testing anyone with symptoms remotely looking like it.

 

[FriendofDeath]

Very interesting thread. Good show! Where am I on the spectrum? Well, I did just write the CDC and said yes, I know what my words read like (as in conspiracy), but you need to get your shit together.

I don't believe the virus is a hoax. Since 2010 I have been what some would call a long hauler today. It finally hit me that I could be a victim of a past coronavirus, so I'm going to do some research. I'm not afraid of Covid - lately I've been running higher fevers, coughing and may have lost my sense of smell (and I really didn't notice this - my mother brought it up). It might take me if I get it or just break me down more. I am mad about it. I'm not exactly a rebel - I'll wear a mask because it's not difficult and it makes some sense (should have been the first thing we did). But I don't like being controlled. I rarely fly because I hate the regulations. When I read something, I often do further research (and I am not a googler). Actually read an interesting article about someone who had Covid in Wuhan in November, and in his case the kitten he fed died. Made me wonder if animals could get it or pass it on.

I used to believe an alien attack would be the best thing for the world because it would bring us together (too many movies, huh?). If people can get Covid a second time (and presumably a third, fourth, etc), and you're immunity is short-lived, if at all, and it can leave you damaged even after you no longer test positive, it leads me to think this is our population decreaser (I know there's a better word).

 

[Aap]

Cope harder. It's his real, verified twitter.

 

[softfuzzyman]

I'm very much in a "don't know don't care" standpoint in that regardless it's ruining my fcking life and absolutely tanked my already terrible mental health lol. Like I really dunno what to believe but regardless of whether this has all been legit or all been completely 100% manufactured, the social, economic, emotional, mental, etc, effects have still been so detrimental for so many people in so many ways, most of all to mentally ill and neuroatypical people who so many of us are in complete crisis over all the change and stress and have less access to support and normalcy than ever. So either way governments have blood on their hands... whether that be from high covid death counts being legit, or from peoples lives being ruined by the socioeconimic effects.

I'm a big stinky doomer so it's all shit anyway and all the more reason to catch that damned bus. Like I wanna do it for personal reasons and personal suffering but it so helps that the world is a massive dumpster fire and trying to navigate anything from a rational and empathetic viewpoint will make you go insane so now I'm just trying to stop being so stressed by it by sinking further into doomerhood and being like nope it's all effed and I refuse to participate, peace out.

 

[airboy_a380]

I also believe that is some secret hidden agenda behind this virus.

 

[I_love_to_bake]

I just wish people would realise one thing, if anything. Trump does not make decisions. Trump has absolutely nothing to do with the coronavirus response. He's an easy scapegoat for you to blame so that you don't realise who the real enemy is. He's like the fall guy.

 

[Aap]

It's crazy that the USS comfort and mercy sat completely unused while nursing homes were packed by order of Cuomo and other govs, forbidden from refusing covid positive patients. Seems like a poor decision....

 

[Deleted member 18655]

I just wish people would realise one thing, if anything. Trump does not make decisions. Trump has absolutely nothing to do with the coronavirus response. He's an easy scapegoat for you to blame so that you don't realise who the real enemy is. He's like the fall guy.

He's a figurehead, like most U.S. Presidents and world leaders in general. There are others pulling the world's strings. Trump's decisions can only affect so much, domestically and internationally.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Trump is a political troll.