Discussion Plandemic 2 - Can we have a respectful discussion?

[Life_and_Death]

"All of the facts are out there in reliable source materials. For both sides, really. "

Well one of them can't be very reliable because it was either man-made or not. It can't be both.

 

[Deleted member 18655]

"All of the facts are out there in reliable source materials. For both sides, really. "

Well one of them can't be very reliable because it was either man-made or not. It can't be both.

That's where the media comes in. I think it's 6 companies that own all of the mainstream media in the U.S. - they control the narrative. Predictive Porgramming has been subtle through TV, movies, music and the news. North Americans blindly trust what we're fed and don't question the narrative. I believe that Dividing Citizens is one of the UN's global goals. The media are the tool perfect for this.

 

[Life_and_Death]

That's where the media comes in. I think it's 6 companies that own all of the mainstream media in the U.S. - they control the narrative. Predictive Porgramming has been subtle through TV, movies, music and the news. North Americans blindly trust what we're fed and don't question the narrative. I believe that Dividing Citizens is one of the UN's global goals. The media are the tool perfect for this.

But we're talking about the truth and the media doesn't know how to tell the truth even if it was laid out in front of them. It's always one-sided, biased, hidden information or something along one of those lines. And even "reliable sources" aren't very reliable in this kind of thing. So except for inside people that knows what's going on and what isnt. We won't know until its over or unless someone does what Snowden did.

 

[Deleted member 18655]

Exactly. Snowden went against the grain and stood up for truth. So did Assange (and other whistleblowers). All were persecuted for it but it brought attention to the corruption that's going on. If we wait until it's over and just accept the media's explanations and the government's restrictions and policy for the sake of a virus that, so far, has a lower mortality rate than the flu. I'm actually going to the protest on Parliament Hill this coming Saturday. My first protest!? They're happening all over the world because protest and exposure are the only ways the voices of the people will be heard. Trudeau is in bed with China and if we just let it happen, we'll be in big trouble. It's already happening. Look up China's ability to bring in their own military to deal with expats here. Free reign. It's disturbing.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'm scared to watch the video because if I end up believing it, it would be impossible for me to convince literally anyone else I know to do the same. Maybe I'll watch it later when my schoolwork is less heavy.

Fuck the Chinese government though. My family is from Taiwan so I know plenty about China's bullshit. I can totally believe they intentionally made the virus for evil reasons or whatever people might be saying. I'm even fine with calling it the China Virus and I don't think that's racist because they deserve it.

Also if I may go on a tangent about masks, people here in California seem to think they're invincible just because they're wearing one. They think that just having one and shaming people for not wearing them gives them a free pass to ignore all the other precautions like social distancing and washing their hands regularly. I keep telling people that if masks alone were really all that was needed to stop the virus it shouldn't have spread outside of Asia because they're all actually willing to wear masks in these situations.

 

[Deleted member 18655]

@Dr Iron Arc I'm glad you realise that about yourself. I'm trying to shake what I believe because I'm completely alone in real life in terms of anyone who believes any of what I do. It becomes like two people speaking two different languages to each other. It's rough.

I lived in China. The racism is overt. I was a department head in a school and one of the parents sent an email that she wanted her child in the blonde teacher's class, not the black woman's. The child didn't feel safe. "I'm sure you understand." I told her she can have her money back if she's going to be that racist. The child stayed and absolutely loved the teacher!

When I lived in China and Japan the sick people wore masks to keep their germs to themselves. We've got it backwards here. Did you see the pool party in Wuhan last week? HA! Communism iinsures the people follow the rules better than we do. We need a few more years with masks (and goggles?!) and lockdowns every few months before we fall in line.

I never made it to Taiwan. I was hoping to work there but ended up coming back home instead. When I was watching the mess in Hong Kong, I thought about Taiwan. They're next, sadly.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Unfortunately that does seem like the case for Taiwan. They wouldn't be able to do anything enough to really fight back if it came to it either.

Personally, even though I'm aware that China technically isn't """true communism""", I still bear resentment for the communist party. My great grandfather killed himself when the Chinese Communist Party seized all of his farmland which is why my grandpa had to escape to Taiwan in the first place. He raised my dad and his five sisters in complete poverty causing my dad to become as fucked up as he is. If they had never taken over I'd either never exist or exist as some rich Chinese landowner who doesn't have to give a fuck about anything so that's another reason why I hate them. Everytime I try to tell my friends this is why I think the socialist movement happening here is bullshit they just look at me like they want to kill me and seize my assets and I don't even have that much.

 

[Deleted member 19654]

I'm scared to watch the video because if I end up believing it, it would be impossible for me to convince literally anyone else I know to do the same. Maybe I'll watch it later when my schoolwork is less heavy.

Fuck the Chinese government though. My family is from Taiwan so I know plenty about China's bullshit. I can totally believe they intentionally made the virus for evil reasons or whatever people might be saying. I'm even fine with calling it the China Virus and I don't think that's racist because they deserve it.

Also if I may go on a tangent about masks, people here in California seem to think they're invincible just because they're wearing one. They think that just having one and shaming people for not wearing them gives them a free pass to ignore all the other precautions like social distancing and washing their hands regularly. I keep telling people that if masks alone were really all that was needed to stop the virus it shouldn't have spread outside of Asia because they're all actually willing to wear masks in these situations.

While calling it the Chinese virus is not racist by itself, it unfortunately incites racism towards Asians. Anyone who is Chinese or looks Chinese over in the west is at the risk of being the targets of racism. As someone who is Chinese, born in the UK, I certainly don't support the CCP and I certainly do not want to be associated with the virus. Some Singaporean guy got beaten up in London by racist idiots and that's not what I want to happen.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

While calling it the Chinese virus is not racist by itself, it unfortunately incites racism towards Asians. Anyone who is Chinese or looks Chinese over in the west is at the risk of being the targets of racism. As someone who is Chinese, born in the UK, I certainly don't support the CCP and I certainly do not want to be associated with the virus. Some Singaporean guy got beaten up in London by racist idiots and that's not what I want to happen.

I see there being a difference between saying China Virus and Chinese Virus but yeah, I get what you're saying. A similar incident happened here in Cali though the Chinese victim's assailants were Latin American. I guess I just think there should be a way to make it clear we're hating the government and not the people and that would force China to get the message instead of thinking they got away with it just because they seem to be doing okay now but this is probably only because they had it for so much longer than everyone else and kept it hidden until it got out of control.

Those racists who went around beating people up are so dumb anyway like if you're gonna be racist and assume a whole race is infected with a virus, then beating them up is a stupid idea because by your own logic that just makes you more likely to get the virus from them.

 

[BitterlyAlive]

Hey, I saw this shared on Reddit recently. I thought about giving it a watch, but we'll see.

I'm not too sure how I feel about all of this tbh. When news about COVID started circulsting in December/January (?) I was like "Dang, maybe I'm being a jerk but was this really an accident?" Pathological warfare is bound to happen at some point, from my limited and colored understanding. But I've just been going along with it - in part because of my job at a hospital, but I was like "well, this is the world we live in right now. It is what it is." Complacency? Maybe. I get worked up about so much, I just don't feel like getting too worked up over this too.

But anyway... If these things are true, it wouldn't surprise me anyway. I've never believed that my government has my best intentions in mind; to me it's always been about money and control. I really wish things were different and good people could get in such high quarters. But as I told someone...somewhere...it just seems like you gotta lose something to be that successful. It's a shame.

I'm kind of a cynical asshole, and I'm sorry for that. If anyone wants to discuss what I've said, I'm more than happy to do so. I'm young and don't have much experience, so my opinions are based on what I've seen and are likely rooted in lots of emotion, not logic.

 

[Final Escape]

I'm with u. I believe it's a massive hoax many people attacked me for it here when I tried to show why. I had been following people online for years who discuss economics, gov policies and their effects, and things that they have wanted to do to the people. So when this hoax began I knew exactly what it was about. Most people don't look into things and accept everything on the mainstream news as true. The gov owns that news media and everything u see on tv is approved only if it suits the narrative or encourages certain ideas or thoughts. Anyway I don't get my news off the tv or watch it anymore because they won't tell u the truth about things and now I see propaganda everywhere so it ruined it for me.

 

[Deleted member 19654]

I see there being a difference between saying China Virus and Chinese Virus but yeah, I get what you're saying. A similar incident happened here in Cali though the Chinese victim's assailants were Latin American. I guess I just think there should be a way to make it clear we're hating the government and not the people and that would force China to get the message instead of thinking they got away with it just because they seem to be doing okay now but this is probably only because they had it for so much longer than everyone else and kept it hidden until it got out of control.

Those racists who went around beating people up are so dumb anyway like if you're gonna be racist and assume a whole race is infected with a virus, then beating them up is a stupid idea because by your own logic that just makes you more likely to get the virus from them.

It would be great if people would separate the CCP from the rest of the people. They're making the whole of China and all Chinese people look bad.

Although I think China did try and cover it up at first, the rest of the world still had enough time to try and take action. We (in the UK) saw Italy go into lockdown first and then other countries in Europe started locking down before our government decided to do it last minute. We were not prepared for a pandemic (lack of ventilators, PPE etc) and we should have been. Luckily Ebola was contained to Africa but there's been swine flu, MERS, SARS, bird flu etc.

Edit: While I don't personally believe it's a 'plandemic', I certainly believe that the coronavirus is real and not some government hoax. I can't get down with conspiracy theories about how Bill Gates want to give us all vaccines to try and microchip us or how wearing masks is some Muslim/Islam conspiracy

 

[Deleted member 18655]

Unfortunately that does seem like the case for Taiwan. They wouldn't be able to do anything enough to really fight back if it came to it either.

Personally, even though I'm aware that China technically isn't """true communism""", I still bear resentment for the communist party. My great grandfather killed himself when the Chinese Communist Party seized all of his farmland which is why my grandpa had to escape to Taiwan in the first place. He raised my dad and his five sisters in complete poverty causing my dad to become as fucked up as he is. If they had never taken over I'd either never exist or exist as some rich Chinese landowner who doesn't have to give a fuck about anything so that's another reason why I hate them. Everytime I try to tell my friends this is why I think the socialist movement happening here is bullshit they just look at me like they want to kill me and seize my assets and I don't even have that much.

Wow.
I read an article (I can't find it right now) that China passed a law that Canada has agreed to: they can use their military on canadian soil to defend any of their interests. And they have a lot of interests in this country now!

The world has changed. It's mind-boggling. And we are only aware of a small fraction of what's really going on.
It's the same affect Muslims and Middle Easterners faced after 9-11, sadly.

While calling it the Chinese virus is not racist by itself, it unfortunately incites racism towards Asians. Anyone who is Chinese or looks Chinese over in the west is at the risk of being the targets of racism. As someone who is Chinese, born in the UK, I certainly don't support the CCP and I certainly do not want to be associated with the virus. Some Singaporean guy got beaten up in London by racist idiots and that's not what I want to happen.

It's the same affect Muslims and Middle Easterners faced after 9-11, sadly. And the Russians in the 50s under McCarthy. It's a distraction tactic.

While calling it the Chinese virus is not racist by itself, it unfortunately incites racism towards Asians. Anyone who is Chinese or looks Chinese over in the west is at the risk of being the targets of racism. As someone who is Chinese, born in the UK, I certainly don't support the CCP and I certainly do not want to be associated with the virus. Some Singaporean guy got beaten up in London by racist idiots and that's not what I want to happen.

While calling it the Chinese virus is not racist by itself, it unfortunately incites racism towards Asians. Anyone who is Chinese or looks Chinese over in the west is at the risk of being the targets of racism. As someone who is Chinese, born in the UK, I certainly don't support the CCP and I certainly do not want to be associated with the virus. Some Singaporean guy got beaten up in London by racist idiots and that's not what I want to happen.

As for your question, it's possible and wouldn't surprise me. But what does the government have to gain by destroying their economy, killing their taxpayers and keeping the hospitals full? To me that just sounds like a good way to lose money. All they are doing is taking money out of their own pockets and putting the world in more debt (as if it wasn't already bad enough)

This is the bizarre part. It seems - from what I've come across - that total dependence on the govt is the goal. Small businesses going under is not a problem for a gov't - they are forced to depend on social welfare (and their literal welfare is not important to the "elites." Big business will get bigger, people will have to be under the control of the govt (through contact tracing, basic income schemes, welfare, unemployment insurance, etc.). It really does seem like the goal for this phase of the "Great Reset" is social conditioning. Australia is a country to watch. It's like seeing what the future holds for the "free world." NZ, Canada, the UK and the US are also most likely going to follow some sort of martial law like this. China doesn't need as much "training" because of the Communist regime and the Social Score scheme.

Although I think China did try and cover it up at first, the rest of the world still had enough time to try and take action. We (in the UK) saw Italy go into lockdown first and then other countries in Europe started locking down before our government decided to do it last minute. We were not prepared for a pandemic (lack of ventilators, PPE etc) and we should have been. Luckily Ebola was contained to Africa but there's been swine flu, MERS, SARS, bird flu etc.

Edit: While I don't personally believe it's a 'plandemic', I certainly believe that the coronavirus is real and not some government hoax. I can't get down with conspiracy theories about how Bill Gates want to give us all vaccines to try and microchip us or how wearing masks is some Muslim/Islam conspiracy/QUOTE]
I posted something on Twitter, like pretend the world was forced to follow a UN accord to put this into action. Just for sh*ts and giggles. Any elected official is bound by this contract, right down to police chiefs and doctors. What if democracy is pointless in this case?

I got a lot of likes but no response. It's the response I'm looking for!!!!!

 

[Sensei]

There have been plenty of conspiracies throughout history which have turned out to be real, so I try to have an open mind when it comes to this topic. The first question I ask myself when I look at conspiracy is, how many people are estimated to be involved in the conspiracy in question? The more people involved, the higher the risk of a leak, intentional or not. That's why I'm prepared to believe some of the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of JFK, as they only require the involvement of a handful of people, but not the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon landings, as they would require the involvement of tens of thousands of people. A COVID-19 conspiracy would require the involvement of many thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people in a multitude of countries, and for this reason I find this conspiracy theory unlikely to be true.

 

[mediocre]

I'm not completely on the same page of it being a hoax but what I am more worried about is what I feel to be a complete overreaction in implementing lockdowns and the mandatory face coverings etc. Though I do wear a mask when I go into stores but more because I have to rather than from a fear of catching it. Here it has done tremendous damage to our economy for which we won't recover for many years. It has hurt young people the most who are extremely unlikely to die from this virus, or even have any symptoms at all in a lot of cases. The vulnerable should have been shielded instead because they are the ones who are at most risk of dying, not the whole country. More people here are dying from the regular flu and pneumonia now than covid 19. Yet we still seem to be in a panic and a complete standstill. The health care system has come to a complete halt. People are dying from missed cancer treatments. In the long run because of these extreme measures more people will have died from neglect, suicide and other things than covid 19 itself. I could be one of these victims because my treatment has been delayed countless times and the care is non-existent.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

China passed a law that Canada has agreed to: they can use their military on canadian soil to defend any of their interests.

Wow, that's terrifying. Can you find a link to confirm this?

 

[Deleted member 18655]

Wow, that's terrifying. Can you find a link to confirm this?

Yes. Give me a few hours. I'm just on my way out but it's bugging me now where I found it. I'll post as soon as I find it. I think it was probably from a Tweet I got but I'll find it...

 

[esse_est_percipi]

COVID-19 conspiracy would require the involvement of many thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people in a multitude of countries

Not necessarily. It could all be planned out behind the scenes by the small number of people who really run the world. They keep the real agenda to themselves, but pass down only the instructions and information necessary to the lower levels of the pyramid. There is a trickle down effect of instructions and information, so that everything becomes fragmented and everyone except for those at the top of the pyramid is kept in the dark to an extent.

Small businesses going under is not a problem for a gov't - they are forced to depend on social welfare (and their literal welfare is not important to the "elites." Big business will get bigger, people will have to be under the control of the govt (through contact tracing, basic income schemes, welfare, unemployment insurance, etc.). It really does seem like the goal for this phase of the "Great Reset" is social conditioning.

Yes, exactly this

 

[Sensei]

Not necessarily. It could all be planned out behind the scenes by the small number of people who really run the world. They keep the real agenda to themselves, but pass down only the instructions and information necessary to the lower levels of the pyramid. There is a trickle down effect of instructions and information, so that everything becomes fragmented and everyone except for those at the top of the pyramid is kept in the dark to an extent.

I find that unlikely. I'm sure thousands of doctors, nurses, journalists, activists, adminstrators, economists, politicians, and whatnot would object against policies they find irrational or exaggerated. I'd say that many thousands of people need to be involved to silence any such opposition around the world. Remember that not even in totalitarian countries like the Third Reich and the USSR was it possible to manipulate and silence everyone.

That said, there can be no doubt that local leaders have exploited the pandemic, e.g. in Algeria and Chile. It's very surpising that it hasn't happened in Belarus and North Korea.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

I'm sure thousands of doctors, nurses, journalists, activists, adminstrators, economists, politicians, and whatnot would object against policies they find irrational or exaggerated

I understand your point, but ultimately everyone has their position in the hierarchy of power. Everyone answers to someone else, so objections or criticisms can only have so much of an effect. If information is fragmented and stratified, and you assume that there really is a clique who pull thevstrings of world affairs, then a covid conspiracy operation becomes plausible.
I'm not saying that I know this, and I fully admit that things may be more chaotic and complex than that.

 

[AllReturnsToNothing]

This whole talk of covid being a hoax could just be an attempt to get people back to work just so they can die for the profit of our corporate overlords. It's already worked on millions of Americans hence why we are dropping like flies. I don't buy it. Conspiracies are a lot more difficult to perpetuate than I think a lot of people realize. If you really want something to obsess over and worry yourself to death over, just look into the predatory economic systems that are more then welcome to kill us all for the sake of short-term profit. It's all public information, no conspiracies, no coverups, no nothing.

 

[Goghaway]

So

If not for social control, then what?

Not being argumentative, I'm genuinely curious what other reasons there could be.

Political purposes. Look at how US government is using it to manipulate citizens. My god, Russia must be trying to do all sorts of nefarious crap (on the world stage, not just to it's citizens or the US)

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Conspiracies are a lot more difficult to perpetuate than I think a lot of people realize.

That's true, but there are numerous examples throughout history of conspiracies turning out to be real

If you really want something to obsess over and worry yourself to death over, just look into the predatory economic systems..etc

I kind of agree with you here. Covid conspiracy or no covid comspiracy, we still live in brutal capitalistic systems that revolve around profit, cutthroat competition, war and neglect of the vulnerable and weak.

 

[Goghaway]

So you don't think there's any kind of hidden agenda?
All the restrictions and limitations on freedom are genuine attempts to stop a deadly virus, because governments really care about the well-being of their citizens?
(I'm not saying this in an argumentative tone, it's fine if you do believe this).

Absolutely not. I do not believe that it's an attempt to limit freedom. I honestly think it is socially irresponsible and selfish for people to reject something simple such as wearing a mask or not holding large gatherings when we know it contributes to the spread of a virus that has killed so many people. Yes, a person may be young and healthy, but that stranger they stand next to in line at the grocery store may be recovering from cancer or their mom might just be one of the unlucky ones who dies for no reason without any underlying conditions. I think our doctors and scientists do have our best public health interests in mind. This is just my opinion :)

That's true, but there are numerous examples throughout history of conspiracies turning out to be real


I kind of agree with you here. Covid conspiracy or no covid comspiracy, we still live in brutal capitalistic systems that revolve around profit, cutthroat competition, war and neglect of the vulnerable and weak.

So true. So true.

This whole talk of covid being a hoax could just be an attempt to get people back to work just so they can die for the profit of our corporate overlords. It's already worked on millions of Americans hence why we are dropping like flies. I don't buy it. Conspiracies are a lot more difficult to perpetuate than I think a lot of people realize. If you really want something to obsess over and worry yourself to death over, just look into the predatory economic systems that are more then welcome to kill us all for the sake of short-term profit. It's all public information, no conspiracies, no coverups, no nothing.

This is pretty much my perspective on it. It's about money and power. Look at who's trying to keep it.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

So

Political purposes. Look at how US government is using it to manipulate citizens. My god, Russia must be trying to do all sorts of nefarious crap (on the world stage, not just to it's citizens or the US)

Okay, I just see all of that as specific examples of social control.

 

[Goghaway]

Do you think it's a coincidence that they paused the EUA for lack of data (lack of enough people enrollment for randomized trials, partly due to needing enrollment to reflect the actual COVID infection/death rate and there is major distrust within the Black and brown communities- who can blame them!), the pres then sends a treating tweet to the 'deep state' at the FDA and then two days later (and the day before the start of the RNC) he announced a "breakthrough" therapeutic with the EUA. That's dirty y'all. Lol

 

[esse_est_percipi]

I do not believe that it's an attempt to limit freedom. I honestly think it is socially irresponsible and selfish for people to reject something simple such as wearing a mask or not holding large gatherings when we know it contributes to the spread of a virus that has killed so many people

I would agree with this point if it were really the case that we are dealing with a truly deadly virus that spreads like wildfire. And I'm not saying people haven't died of it. But hundreds of thousands of people die of the flu every year too.

However, someone who is more skeptical would point to the manipulation and inflation of the numbers, the lack of any real evidence that it is as deadly as we are told (we are shown images inside hospitals and told that x, y, z, has died of it, in the mainstrram news, but we know how the news functions as a propaganda organ and how it filters information to let people know only what it wants to let them know).

I'm not saying that people haven't died of covid, but perhaps just isolating the more vulnerable portions of the population would have been better, instead of shutting everything down for everyone and creating rigid liberty-destroying social rules, and possibly making the remedy worse than the disease.

I don't see why deaths due the virus (which imo have been exaggerated) are worse than deaths due to the lockdown itself and enforcement of rules (causing depression, isolation, anxiety, inability to.get treated for other illnesses/issues, loss of livelihood, suicide etc).
This is just how I see things.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

There have been plenty of conspiracies throughout history which have turned out to be real, so I try to have an open mind when it comes to this topic. The first question I ask myself when I look at conspiracy is, how many people are estimated to be involved in the conspiracy in question? The more people involved, the higher the risk of a leak, intentional or not. That's why I'm prepared to believe some of the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of JFK, as they only require the involvement of a handful of people, but not the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon landings, as they would require the involvement of tens of thousands of people. A COVID-19 conspiracy would require the involvement of many thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people in a multitude of countries, and for this reason I find this conspiracy theory unlikely to be true.

Vast subject. Undoubtedly being lied to. Someone always seeking to profit. Always due to happen and true to the pattern of the last decade of encroachment if agriculture into environments.
But...global conspiracy of elites? Unlikely. Sure, these confederacies do exist, but they have demonstrated their ineptitude time and time again. The level of coordination between parties of conflicting ideals is prohibitive.
There is an issue here, and no crisis will go unexploited, but the evidence suggests to me that a collusion of elites is unlikely when each country can't even get its own story straight.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

While the death count is lower than contemporary diseases like the flu, the fact the disease is new makes scientists and doctors worried since there can be a bunch of long term effects like permanent lung damage. Also if the disease spreads around unchecked it has a higher chance of mutating into something even worse. Then again, maybe if people really hadn't cared we'd all be living in a world where only the strongest and most immune are still alive who knows if that would be better or not.

The only type of conspiracy I've heard that I can actually fully believe so far is the one I heard that it was engineered to make the President look bad and try to convert his supporters. Your mileage may vary on whether that plan succeeded or if it was even necessary though.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

What sucks is that if COVID was indeed engineered and intentionally released, those who are affected by it are the ones who have to own responsbility. Like someone throwing trash in your yard, you have to make the effort to clean it up yourself, only in this case, you may not have the tools to clean it up. It's a lot of effort on behalf of another's agenda that brings no personal benefit.

Even if it was engineered and released, people still have to deal with protection. The social engineering and control aspects come in with fear. People attack one another for not wearing masks and social distancing. There is finger-pointing, blame, violence, and manufactured unity in complying with self-isolation, wearing masks and social distancing. There is separation of those who do not comply, whether out of rebellion or out of ignorance. Many would call the rebellion ignorance and consider those who rebel to be agents of harm, rather than those who caused it.

It is concerning because there do indeed seem to be aspects of social engineering, just as there were after 9/11 with travel restrictions and loss of personal liberty in having to submit to body scans and invasive personal checks. (Recall that the second tower collapsing was reported in the UK something like 15 minutes before it actually happened.) If one wants the freedom to travel, one has to submit to indiginities and restrictions for the ostensible good and safety of all. The same thing is happening with COVID and the "new normal." If I want to go to the grocery store, I have to submit to having my temperature checked or I am denied entry. I anticipate that people will be restricted from travel if they don't submit to getting vaccinated, and that they will have some kind of record of having had the virus, which is nobody's fucking business, and will experience some kind of limitation or freedom as a result. They may face other restrictions for daily living if they refuse to comply to scans, chipping, or vaccinations in the name of security.

There is no freedom, no liberty, if one has to submit to personal invasions and limitations for the mythical idea of "security." I respect those who rebel, even if that means I get COVID, which I'm convinced I already did and am still suffering long-term effects from. My lungs are fucked. My heart function is not the same. I personally suspect, based on all the evidence I've seen in the present as well as many years leading up to it, that this is indeed an act of social control and biological warfare on all humans regardless of nationality. It is to me indeed 1984 and Brave New World. In fact, I have suspicions that even those books were part of the long-term process of engineering whatever is coming to fruition, and that this may be but a phase of that. Aldous Huxley was influential at the Esalen Instutite, where much social engineering has come from in the human potential and New Age movements.

I've seen and experienced enough things that I suppose you could say I have a tinfoil hat, but it doesn't do any practical good to wear one. Being "woke" has been of some benefit, I suppose, but I think even that is engineered, for what purpose I don't know. I only know that I don't have any power against whatever is happening. I'm not an intellectual sheep, but I'm no more empowered than a sheep. How can one fight an anonymous enemy?

It seems to me that it's all one big mindfuck game. Even the video in the OP -- that's quite a slick production. If it were 100% true and actually empowering for the masses, it would have never made it to production let alone been released. I think it's disinformation and propaganda seemingly in battle with other disinformation and propaganda.

I feel quite hopeless. I search for solutions and ways to experience personal agency and I come up with nothing. I have fears that I don't even bother to share because, aside from receving comfort that others share them, what good does it do to expose them when nothing can be done about them? Perhaps that's part of the social engineering, too, just more separation as a social animal, more fear, and more suffering. I fucking hate it. I normally don't even talk about these things on the forum because what's the use? Some will argue with me and I feel no need to go on the defense, I don't feel a need to convince anyone, and I certainly don't want to help someone else become "woke" if it's not an antidote and only increases hopelessness. To me the latter is not a rescue, merely an exchange of curses.

I am sickened by all that's happening in the world. Trump is a symptom. COVID is symptom. There's so much bullshit, and I think that the unity of being together alone, wearing masks and social distancing and fighting COVID together is nothing but fertilizer that hints of herbs and flowers but is really an invitations to fields of bullshit akin to concentration camps. Mostly I just feel despair, and that probably meets a goal of whatever is happeing, and if I feel hope, it's likely false. I don't see that there's anyone who could know what's going on and rescue everyone from a worldwide concentration camp. And who knows, I could even be contributing to the unknown cause just by writing about this. It's like Stasi control in the technolgical era. All I can do is try to be the best person I can in the midst of all this shit, try to have the best impacts on others that I can, and when it's too much, give up and suicide and hope that actually ends my suffering and imprisonment.

Fuck.