NYT story megathread

[motel rooms]

I'm going to get a spoon and relieve myself of mine

Sounds like a line from a Prince song

 

[Flippy]

Sounds like a line from a Prince song

It kinda does now you mention it! But there needs to be more numbers in there somewhere!

A spoon?!!!! freaking heck you masochist

Its funny! That's what the guy that gave me the spoon said too!

 

[Ankou]

Surely I can't be the only person who's lost half their family by suicide and still hasn't turned into a whiny prolife bitch on the internet blaming everyone for my shit parenting?

 

[motel rooms]

It kinda does now you mention it! But there needs to be more numbers in there somewhere!

I'm gonna get with you, kitten ooh-hoo
And ya sista, I think her name is Debra oo-oo-hoo

 

[Flippy]

I'm gonna get with you, kitten ooh-hoo
And ya sista, I think her name is Debra oo-oo-hoo

Just never put "Darling Nikki" on full blast when you are 12 years old in the car. That's an unfortunate day I won't forget in a hurry!

 

[YMN]

You know, as a new member, I gotta say this site wasn't as easy to access as the article's making it out to be. They're treating it like some cult that easily pumps out suicides like a factory. It took me a few good hours of active searching and skimming through years old news articles to finally find one that said the site's name. If you don't know about the site beforehand, chances are you won't find it. Unless you specifically seek it out. So it's not like someone mildly depressed's going to randomly stumble across this site and ctb. I feel like you really do have to be at your wit's end and deeply resonate with what's being posted to join this site. Which is why I applied for an account after lurking for a while.

And, in all honesty, I'm glad for it. I have a place where I can say what I'm truly feeling to people who can understand. Plus, if I never found the site I probably would've botched a hanging attempt badly. So thanks SS for not letting me be casted for a live-action Veggietales.

 

[maakies]

Man, I just got allowed to post and have been lurking this forum for a week now and this happens. Hope this place doesn't shut down. It was exactly what I was looking for. If it does — maybe it would be time to onion the site, so to speak.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Man, I just got allowed to post and have been lurking this forum for a week now and this happens. Hope this place doesn't shut down. It was exactly what I was looking for. If it does — maybe it would be time to onion the site, so to speak.

Welcome to the forum, and I'm sorry that life has brought you here

 

[maakies]

Welcome to the forum, and I'm sorry that life has brought you here

Thank you very much. I really do think I've found my people just from lurking here these past few days.

 

[Kyrok]

The reporters failed to grasp that this is primarily a website where the suicidal find companionship. "Pro-life" websites won't permit honest discussion or true acceptance of those who wish to continue to take the option of suicide seriously.

Granted, some suicides are foolish, but not all. It can be a rational, responsible, authentic choice. If we disagree that life necessarily is worth living, then life's value is contingent and some people end up on the negative end of that spectrum.

SS, as I have experienced it, is a community of people living in such a moribund state, and the companionship offered here is for some their sole thing of value, something that either keeps them going or at least feeling not so terribly alone as their final choice is made.

SS can be, and for some is, the one and only place where they can be fully open and honest. And for those who choose to say 'no' to life, we show them the honor of just accepting them in their most radical act of self-determination.

NY Times could have and should have done better.

 

[Meretlein]

The reporters failed to grasp that this is primarily a website where the suicidal find companionship. "Pro-life" websites won't permit honest discussion or true acceptance of those who wish to continue to take the option of suicide seriously.

Granted, some suicides are foolish, but not all. It can be a rational, responsible, authentic choice. If we disagree that life necessarily is worth living, then life's value is contingent and some people end up on the negative end of that spectrum.

SS, as I have experienced it, is a community of people living in such a moribund state, and the companionship offered here is for some their sole thing of value, something that either keeps them going or at least feeling not so terribly alone as their final choice is made.

SS can be, and for some is, the one and only place where they can be fully open and honest. And for those who choose to say 'no' to life, we show them the honor of just accepting them in their most radical act of self-determination.

NY Times could have and should have done better.

The NYT set out to write a hit piece. They could have made a good faith effort to explore SS which would have included talking to members who found SS beneficial, exploring the factors that push people to this community, and perhaps most importantly, analyzing suicide from the perspective of autonomy. The ethos of this site is that we have a fundamental ownership of our bodies and lives, yet there is absolutely no exploration of that claim in their article. Instead, they pivot away from the idea that adults have the right to make decisions about their bodies and lives and make it about "saving the children" (Never mind that parents should be watching over their children instead of expecting adults to censor themselves and throttle conversations about our pain, lives, and bodies) and construct a caricature of adult suicidal people as being impulsive and pathologically out of touch with reality. Our side of the story doesn't matter. NYT decided that SS is bad and is now doing everything they can to make us look bad and make life hell for the administrators.

I share your disappointment.

 

[Siegfrida]

You know, as a new member, I gotta say this site wasn't as easy to access as the article's making it out to be. They're treating it like some cult that easily pumps out suicides like a factory. It took me a few good hours of active searching and skimming through years old news articles to finally find one that said the site's name. If you don't know about the site beforehand, chances are you won't find it. Unless you specifically seek it out. So it's not like someone mildly depressed's going to randomly stumble across this site and ctb. I feel like you really do have to be at your wit's end and deeply resonate with what's being posted to join this site. Which is why I applied for an account after lurking for a while.

And, in all honesty, I'm glad for it. I have a place where I can say what I'm truly feeling to people who can understand. Plus, if I never found the site I probably would've botched a hanging attempt badly. So thanks SS for not letting me be casted for a live-action Veggietales.

This is because Google has become pretty much unusable if you want to search for suicide methods, it will display the suicide hotlines instead and some newspaper articles. If you know the name of this site, then Google will display it (with the exception of some countries), but not in the first place. If you use DuckDuckGo and search for something like "painless suicide", then it's quite easy to find this site.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

This is because Google has become pretty much unusable if you want to search for suicide methods, it will display the suicide hotlines instead and some newspaper articles. If you know the name of this site, then Google will display it (with the exception of some countries), but not in the first place. If you use DuckDuckGo and search for something like "painless suicide", then it's quite easy to find this site.

It's actually really hard to find on DDG as well. I'm purposely trying to search for SS right now, with keywords and phrases, and still can't find it

 

[Itsallover123]

It's actually really hard to find on DDG as well. I'm purposely trying to search for SS right now, with keywords and phrases, and still can't find it

DDG stopped giving uncensored search results a long time ago. They still help with some privacy concerns but they're now as bad as google when it comes to searching anything up. I'm trying to remember how I found this site, I think I first found lostallhope then the pph and then I found SS while looking up something along the lines of "pph exit bag." It's next to impossible to find this site by accident, anyone who finds it already wants to die.

 

[Circles]

DDG stopped giving uncensored search results a long time ago. They still help with some privacy concerns but they're now as bad as google when it comes to searching anything up. I'm trying to remember how I found this site, I think I first found lostallhope then the pph and then I found SS while looking up something along the lines of "pph exit bag." It's next to impossible to find this site by accident, anyone who finds it already wants to die.

It's actually really hard to find on DDG as well. I'm purposely trying to search for SS right now, with keywords and phrases, and still can't find it

I don't know why it's not working for y'all but it's literally the first thing that pops up with me and it's also on strict mode:

 

[Itsallover123]

I don't know why it's not working for y'all but it's literally the first thing that pops up with me and it's also on strict mode:

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Oh we don't mean directly searching up "sanctioned suicide" we mean trying to find the site if you don't know the name, so things like "suicide website" or other suicide related things.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Oh we don't mean directly searching up "sanctioned suicide" we mean trying to find the site if you don't know the name, so things like "suicide website" or other suicide related things.

Yeah this exactly

 

[Marktheghost]

Sorry, this megathread wasn't a good idea. There's too many replies here. I prefer lots of seperate threads, with fewer replies, where we can pick and choose which threads to read.

I'm just going to read the shorter threads.

 

[Chinaski]

Sorry, this megathread wasn't a good idea. There's too many replies here. I prefer lots of seperate threads, with fewer replies, where we can pick and choose which threads to read.

I'm just going to read the shorter threads.

Thanks for your contribution.

(fwiw the megathread is the right idea, else the front page would be littered with NYT threads)

 

[MG_39]

Oh we don't mean directly searching up "sanctioned suicide" we mean trying to find the site if you don't know the name, so things like "suicide website" or other suicide related things.

But when you know there are a suicide forum like this, then it's not rocket science to find it. But a lot of people wouldn't if places like NYT didn't advertise it. They even advertised one of the most popular suicide methods sodium nitrite. (which are mentioned in the article)

The article is not written to stop this website, it's to earn money. They gained a lot of new paying subscribers from that article.

 

[Dot]

Fnd ss b/ accidnt whn lkng 4 info on Yew Tree mthd.

 

[demuic]

I'm only just seeing this There's lots of great replies here. We've gone through this several times before now, mainstream media getting wind of this site and then writing a quick hit piece to defame everyone here. It's pathetic.

I won't even read the article, as it will just make me angry and from the sounds of it's just the same bullshit lies that get repeated over and over.

It just shows no one actually gives a fuck about suicidal people, it's all about how us expressing our thoughts and desires makes normies uncomfortable with how they view the world, so they have to shut it all down. Out of sight, out of mind. They don't give a fuck if anyone kills themself if it doesn't somehow effect them or their bottom line. They're so quick to write off everyone on this site as evil (and somehow also the victims of other evil people on this site at the same time) yet WILL NEVER do anything to help anyone struggling with mental health issues, loneliness, chronic pain, and so forth in their real life, or even anyone who is justa weirdo outcast who doesn't fit in, they will be the nastiest ever to them or treat them like shit and then wonder why they killed themself later on. "It was completely out of the blue!"

It's absolutely disgusting that the admins have gotten doxxed. And these pro-lifers are supposed to be the good guys?

Articles like these cause more members to feel that they have to rush their suicides forwards before they wanted to in fear that the methods will be removed by authoritarian pro lifers. I know that's how I feel every time I see an article like this. I think I will finally have to buy my method within the next few days.

Pro lifers will never understand that some people are completely doomed, there is no saving them, there is no hope for change over the horizon, and the only rational thing to wish for in this case is a swift and merciful death.

The enlightened folks of reddit enlightening us with their enlightened takes. If anyone needs more rage fuel. Gotta click on it to see the comments.

Those comments are the reason why this site exists. Fuck the NYT and fuck Reddit.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Lots of you have already roasted this far more eloquently than I could, but I figured I'll share my thoughts anyway, because this community is so important to my wellbeing.

Another biased rag piece full of lying by omission, appeals to emotion, and downright false claims that prey on reader's vulnerabilities when it comes to difficult topics. What a complete bastardization of news reporting. I wish I could be more civil here, but I've lost all patience with garbage like this. This is slanderous nonsense parading as a well intentioned, moralistic "think of the children!" PSA.

These journalists spent countless hours researching the topic and scouring this site for information, only to make blantantly untrue statements like "few people on this site suffer from physical pain" and insinuating most users are impulsive young people with temporary bouts of fixable depression.

Also some of their quotes from forum users were deliberately chopped up, scrambled, and had certain words and phrases cut off to manipulate the reader into thinking the poster was malicious and coercive. Telling the full story wouldn't get enough clicks now, would it? Instead they have to mince words to push their entrenched biases against this forum.

Have they spent more than 5 minutes on this site? No one is holding us at gunpoint and forcing us to post here. I came here out of my own accord, and this place has allowed me to hold on longer than I ever anticipated. No drug, therapy, or helpline could ever replace the genuine connection, understanding, and camaraderie I have experienced with my fellow misfits on this forum.

Sure, the tired resources they list in the article may help some people. No one is denying that fact. I'm sure there are some individuals out there who feel helped by the hotlines, rather than traumatized by the forced involuntary interventions. However, those people cannot speak for everyone. Suicidal individuals aren't a monolith.

Additionally, the views purported by the article are incredibly garden variety and mainstream. It is common to see someone being praised as brave and courageous for sharing that they called a hotline once, got a prescription for Citalopram, and felt fine the next week. Those who suffer longterm are not allowed to speak out, and are branded as conspiratorial lest they question the un-scientific methods employed by the mental health industry.

Compassion turns to scorn very quickly when one does not fall in line with what they are supposed to say. If you don't feel that talking to a stranger on a traced phone conversation, playing roulette with different drugs from the same class repeatedly, and shelling out thousands for therapy that makes you feel worse than when you walked in the room is helpful, then you're a pariah.

Einstein said that doing the same thing over and over again, then expecting different results, is the very definition of insanity. Yet the authors of this article think we should continue to engage with things that we personally do not find helpful. You can tell that they dismiss the suffering many of us go through, as they downplay physical illnesses, trauma, poverty, chronic pain, disabilities, and mental illnesses that aren't short term depression, so that they can really push the angle they're trying to spin.

Fundamentally, these authors do not comprehend the raison d'etre of SS. There is no equivalent platform that exists currently, but in the past, there have been similar websites (ASH, for example) to occupy the niche this place provides, because downtrodden individuals are not allowed to exist anywhere else.

Most social media sites are completely censored and sanitized, whilst being monitored by robots that shut down any discussion flagging certain keywords. You often find yourself sitting in silence if you dare say something controversial or anything that breaks the mold of the mundane.

For many of us, this is the only space that we can freely converse, open up, and speak our minds. Over and over again, the MSM alongside these so called "experts" emphasise the importance of being candid and sharing how you feel with a trusted person. However, if you share too much, there will always be the looming threat of the beurocractic guillotine hanging over your head- the very real possibility that you could be forcibly sectioned, forced to tango with malpractice, mistreated, or cut off by those you love. That doesn't happen on SS.

No one here wants other people to leave this world, this space simply gives people an honest platform for expressing how they feel without judgement. By extension, that openness encapsulates discussions of bodily autonomy as well as free movement of information regarding methods. Once a person has that information, only the individual can decide what is sensible for them.

Some people will actually find themselves put off by ctb completely once they have that knowledge, others who face insurmountable obstacles will breathe a sigh of relief- the reality isn't as black and white as these authors like to paint it. Either way, the individual has the right to make their own decisions in regards to their bodily autonomy.

Removing these tenants of freedom is a slippery slope towards an authortarian dystopia where forced medical treatment becomes commonplace and the state decides they will do whatever possible to prolong your life at all costs even when the quality of it is compromised. Women are already losing control over their reproductive rights at an alarming rate due to moralistic bullshit like what is purported in this article.

Our right to live, and our right to die when living is no longer feasible or bearable, are both intrinsic liberties that the government should not be allowed to pry away from us.

You can tell what the prerogative of these journalists is. Survival at all costs, with no contemplation or regard for what it means to truly live. They will support forcibly pulling you away from the ledge, but will leave you freezing in the cold, alone, to succumb to the elements. They give no tangible advice or sage wisdom for people in hopeless situations who will never be helped by platitudes and hotlines.

They try everything they can to move the goalposts and ignore the glaring elephant in the room, which is the harsh truth that for some people in this world, there is no help available. This spin doctoring is made incredibly prominent when they continue to reference the dreaded incel boogeyman and urge the readers to think of the children. The children who are not allowed on this website, mind you, and who will be swiftly banned if they make their presence known.

For the truly hopeless, resources like SS are our only solace. When the rest of society has abandoned us and cast us away, at least we have a sanctuary in this niche little corner of the Internet. I have met lifelong friends through this website, friends who have provided me with far more compassion and understanding than any self righteous bastard in a lab coat ever has. Genuine human connection trumps artifical paradigms that seek to mimic and profit from the imitation.

As a disabled, traumatized, physically ill, autistic adult woman, piss off, New York Times. These blokes sat up in their ivory towers, at their cushy jobs, with their cushy salaries and privledged lives, could never understand a fraction of the suffering that people on SS go through. All you beurocrats are sincerely out of touch with reality, and as long as you continue to live in a delusion, there will be no improvements made in the treatment of suicidal, disabled, sick, impoverished, abused, and ostracised people.

 

[Circles]

So I'm reluctant to want to listen if it's that bad. Honestly how in the hell did they get their phone numbers?

Also why the laughing emoji? This isn't funny whatsoever. And doxxing no matter who it is shouldn't even be a thing.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

The NYT have also uploaded a recording of them confronting Serge (Diego Joaquín Galante) and Marquis (Lamarcus Small) over the phone.


So I'm reluctant to want to listen if it's that bad. Honestly how in the hell did they get their phone numbers?

Also why the laughing emoji? This isn't funny whatsoever. And doxximg no matter who it is shouldn't even be a thing.

This is their only post and they're taking these facts too well.

 

[demuic]

What do you mean by doxximg?

I find it funny. You don't have to too.
The reason I find it funny is because in previous recordings when they spoke to people (Kathrine from England) they painted a picture of themselves as being 'freedom fighters'/'defenders of free speech'/etc....and yet they shit themselves when somebody phoned them up.
You've got to understand that I first read about this on Twitter.

Why are you on this website? Are you suicidal?

It says you only joined yesterday. Hmm..

You are not behaving in a manner that leads anyone to believe you are here for good reasons.

 

[Circles]

What do you mean by doxximg?

I find it funny. You don't have to too.
The reason I find it funny is because in previous recordings when they spoke to people (Kathrine from England) they painted a picture of themselves as being 'freedom fighters'/'defenders of free speech'/etc....and yet they shit themselves when somebody phoned them up.
You've got to understand that I first read about this on Twitter.

Doxxing means giving out personal information to the public. The article doxxed their names, locations and somehow even got their phone numbers. My god what a cluster fuck.

You do you then if you think it's so funny.

 

[demuic]

Yes that's right I first came across this website on Twitter.

What do you mean by
"You are not behaving in a manner that leads anyone to believe you are here for good reasons"?

Ok thank you for explaining. I do then what?

So you're only here because you saw this website on twitter? No other reason?

Does this place amuse you?

 

[insipixiecat]

Does my suffering entertain you?
Why do you belittle my suffering?

All they did was ask you some questions. Look, you're welcome in this community as long as you stay civil. Treat everyone with respect and refrain from throwing around insults.

 

[omoidarui]

The reason I find it funny is because in previous recordings when they spoke to people (Kathrine from England) they painted a picture of themselves as being 'freedom fighters'/'defenders of free speech'/etc....and yet they shit themselves when somebody phoned them up.

im a gay guy and would shit myself if i lived in saudi arabia and someone found out

not just bad guys hide, good guys too, especially those with progressivist ideals. yr point?

You've got to understand that I first read about this on Twitter.

that explains it