New YouTube video about us

[littlelady774]

The amount of people viewing this thread… holy shit.
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[GrizzlyGrapefruit]

I truly believe people want to help people like us, but it's such a shame they lack the empathy and critical thinking needed to understand why a site like this is beneficial. It shouldn't be difficult to understand.

I guess to elaborate a bit more, not being able to openly talk about how dire your situation is and how you feel about it with a professional or even a friend makes the situation so much worse. The constant threat of being sent to a psych prison (ward) is far too great, and these prisons offer no help. They lock you up, dehumanize you, and force drugs on you. This forum offers a space for us to fully express our thoughts and emotions safely.

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

This is the same asshole who came here and blamed us for @SpentStardust committing suicide. He's an attention whore who wants views. He doesn't give a damn about anyone on this site, or @SpentStardust.

That video is disrespectful to the memory of SpentStardust / System64 — his YT Channel is riddled with red flags and cries for help for ~2 years.

Anyone who hasn't yet seen Stardust's YT — before it gets taken down— I'm fairly certain will see the blindingly obvious….

I posted these YT excerpts and pasted a specifically relevant page — in the original thread attack started by
' Tantacruel ' — shameful behaviour.

RIP Stardust / S64

https://m.youtube.com/@system6448/videos

 

[AreWeWinning]

This guy (who created the video) actually created an account and was here. This is his thread: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...time-about-the-death-of-spentstardust.103970/

 

[NotStrongEnough]

I'm pretty sure they only allow people who are 50+ onto those forums. I don't know if they require an ID of some kind but I believe they do, counting I haven't seen anyone under 50 on the forums here state that they have access to it. but it's also possible they haven't tried.

Almost there. Was hoping to be dead before then though lol

 

[Looking]

I know I probably have the unpopular stance here, but I don't think all of the points he made in his video are invalid. Do I agree with everything? Absolutely not. Do I agree with how he's handling most of this, as in the way he introduces the information to the viewer and his solutions for some of the problems? No.

Does the fact I have to add a bunch of disclaimers to my statement of "I have a slight differing view to most people here" due to the anxiety of being dogpiled for just stating that - display that the site possibly, maybe, sorta kinda, has an echo chamber of sorts? Perhaps.

I agree that the mindset of "don't seek help" is an actual issue on the website. It's also an issue I deal with. When he mentioned how there was a person who commented on S64's thread saying if they want help, they should get it, but then adding a follow-up to "balance" the thread almost - It's something I've done quite a bit - both in DMs and in posts. I already know everyone's reasons for why that is, and it's not that I don't sympathize with why that's an issue on here - it still doesn't change my view that maybe it should be something we as active users could put some effort into working on.

Ignoring the video itself - because it's quite clear the creator has some kind of history on the website and that lore makes it complicated to view this video as a whole (As I don't have that history with this creator, I mainly viewed it as an outsider) - I do think we could take some of the points from the video and as a community discuss in depth about these issues. Without this creator's input being an influencing factor of that.

 

[SamTam33]

I know I probably have the unpopular stance here, but I don't think all of the points he made in his video are invalid. Do I agree with everything? Absolutely not. Do I agree with how he's handling most of this, as in the way he introduces the information to the viewer and his solutions for some of the problems? No.

Does the fact I have to add a bunch of disclaimers to my statement of "I have a slight differing view to most people here" due to the anxiety of being dogpiled for just stating that - display that the site possibly, maybe, sorta kinda, has an echo chamber of sorts? Perhaps.

I agree that the mindset of "don't seek help" is an actual issue on the website. It's also an issue I deal with. When he mentioned how there was a person who commented on S64's thread saying if they want help, they should get it, but then adding a follow-up to "balance" the thread almost - It's something I've done quite a bit - both in DMs and in posts. I already know everyone's reasons for why that is, and it's not that I don't sympathize with why that's an issue on here - it still doesn't change my view that maybe it should be something we as active users could put some effort into working on.

Ignoring the video itself - because it's quite clear the creator has some kind of history on the website and that lore makes it complicated to view this video as a whole (As I don't have that history with this creator, I mainly viewed it as an outsider) - I do think we could take some of the points from the video and as a community discuss in depth about these issues. Without this creator's input being an influencing factor of that.

Ok, say we take all those suggestions to heart.

Will there ever be a place for everyone to congregate who is beyond "help?"

When will our efforts to improve be enough?

Where do the people go who have explored all the ways of helping oneself, yet they still want to ctb?

 

[Looking]

Ok, say we take all those suggestions to heart.

Will there ever be a place for everyone to congregate who is beyond "help?"

When will our efforts to improve be enough?

Where do the people go who have explored all the ways of helping oneself yet they still want to ctb?

I suppose I don't get the questions. I still think this website should exist - The people who are "beyond help" would come here, I would assume. Isn't that the point of the site?

Personal improvement and what is deemed as "exploring all of the options" is up to the individual and what their treatment plan calls for. It's the person's choice, really - as I'm still "pro choice". I wouldn't be here if I wasn't pro choice.

I think the problem lies within the fault of how everyone needs to state everything wrong with getting help to every person who might be on the fence about it, instead of putting their emotions aside to give people informed choices about what is open to them. In this thread, someone had asked about going to the ER. I was honest in my response. I told them how they can do it and what would most likely happen. I told them a big possibility is they'd be sent to an inpatient program - which is a lot of people's fears here - I gave them the information they asked for without diluting it with my personal stance on it.

I don't think that was too hard of me to do. I was honest and said I've been to some fucked up places, but that it will depend on your personal experience. It's not hard to do, I don't feel like.

 

[NotStrongEnough]

I know I probably have the unpopular stance here, but I don't think all of the points he made in his video are invalid. Do I agree with everything? Absolutely not. Do I agree with how he's handling most of this, as in the way he introduces the information to the viewer and his solutions for some of the problems? No.

Does the fact I have to add a bunch of disclaimers to my statement of "I have a slight differing view to most people here" due to the anxiety of being dogpiled for just stating that - display that the site possibly, maybe, sorta kinda, has an echo chamber of sorts? Perhaps.

I agree that the mindset of "don't seek help" is an actual issue on the website. It's also an issue I deal with. When he mentioned how there was a person who commented on S64's thread saying if they want help, they should get it, but then adding a follow-up to "balance" the thread almost - It's something I've done quite a bit - both in DMs and in posts. I already know everyone's reasons for why that is, and it's not that I don't sympathize with why that's an issue on here - it still doesn't change my view that maybe it should be something we as active users could put some effort into working on.

Ignoring the video itself - because it's quite clear the creator has some kind of history on the website and that lore makes it complicated to view this video as a whole (As I don't have that history with this creator, I mainly viewed it as an outsider) - I do think we could take some of the points from the video and as a community discuss in depth about these issues. Without this creator's input being an influencing factor of that.

Ok, say we take all those suggestions to heart.

Will there ever be a place for everyone to congregate who is beyond "help?"

When will our efforts to improve be enough?

Where do the people go who have explored all the ways of helping oneself, yet they still want to ctb?

I agree with both of you. I think we should be better at not just outright encouraging. But we also need to listen when people have exhausted all their options. Someone who's in their mid 40s and who has dealt with mental health issues for that long has probably exhausted all options available.

You 18 year olds who want to off themselves, listen. Give yourself some time to find you. There is always another day. You don't have to do anything drastic today. And if you find yourself in your mid 40s because you got caught up in life for a bit, that is ok. The pain can be temporary. Or it can be permanent. Give yourself a few years to find out. Tomorrow is always another day that you can off yourself if it gets too bad. But give yourself a chance. Even if it's only for 1 more day.

 

[Looking]

I agree with both of you. I think we should be better at not just outright encouraging. But we also need to listen when people have exhausted all their options. Someone who's in their mid 40s and who has dealt with mental health issues for that long has probably exhausted all options available.

You 18 year olds who want to off themselves, listen. Give yourself some time to find you. There is always another day. You don't have to do anything drastic today. And if you find yourself in your mid 40s because you got caught up in life for a bit, that is ok. The pain can be temporary. Or it can be permanent. Give yourself a few years to find out. Tomorrow is always another day that you can off yourself if it gets too bad. But give yourself a chance. Even if it's only for 1 more day.

I 100% agree. I think we should be respectful of people who decline medical advice or people who say they've tried everything. It's not our jobs to keep pushing beyond what the people is asking for. I also agree with your second paragraph a lot as well.

 

[SamTam33]

I suppose I don't get the questions. I still think this website should exist - The people who are "beyond help" would come here, I would assume. Isn't that the point of the site?

Personal improvement and what is deemed as "exploring all of the options" is up to the individual and what their treatment plan calls for. It's the person's choice, really - as I'm still "pro choice". I wouldn't be here if I wasn't pro choice.

I think the problem lies within the fault of how everyone needs to state everything wrong with getting help to every person who might be on the fence about it, instead of putting their emotions aside to give people informed choices about what is open to them. In this thread, someone had asked about going to the ER. I was honest in my response. I told them how they can do it and what would most likely happen. I told them a big possibility is they'd be sent to an inpatient program - which is a lot of people's fears here - I gave them the information they asked for without diluting it with my personal stance on it.

I don't think that was too hard of me to do. I was honest and said I've been to some fucked up places, but that it will depend on your personal experience. It's not hard to do, I don't feel like.

Videos such as the one from The Perverted Puppy Killer on YouTube assumes that members don't know what they want and need to be dissuaded from their thoughts of suicide.

How and why do they arrive at this conclusion? Why are people like him (and people who agree with him) incapable of taking comments at face value?

If someone says they want to die, where does he get off disagreeing with them?

If people are on the fence, they will tell you.

If people want your advice about staying alive, they will ask you.

Otherwise, STFU (Not talking about you, per se).

 

[Obliviate]

He is so fucking delusional, hypocritical and ironic. He literally doesn't realize that disgusting profilers like HIM are literally the REASON why this site exists in the first place. *sigh*

BUT I bet he won't post the threads about our tragic stories, the abuse and trauma that we went through/are going through that were caused by his precious beloved community/society.

Typical prolifer, completely dismisses our trauma and the horrific evil things going on in the world for his own false "heroic" pleasure.

I hate humans

I hope he sees this too. Fuck You.

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

This guy (who created the video) actually created an account and was here. This is his thread: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...time-about-the-death-of-spentstardust.103970/

Yes.
That's where I posted / pasted SpentStardust / System64 's YouTube excerpts of his alarming red flags and cries for help.

'Tantacruel / Jonels', et al — claimed "he knew the boy" — yet managed to turn a blind eye for 2 long years — probably painfully so for SpentStardust / S64.

Then rushed to blame this site — instead of his own failure to act and 'save the boy's life' — is disgracefully hypocritical.

 

[SamTam33]

Yes.
That's where I posted / pasted SpentStardust / System64 's YouTube excerpts of his alarming red flags and cries for help.

'Tantacruel / Jonels', et al — claimed "he knew the boy" — yet managed to turn a blind eye for 2 long years — probably painfully so for SpentStardust / S64.

Then rushed to blame this site — instead of his own failure to act and 'save the boy's life' — is disgracefully hypocritical.

I watched enough of his goofy video to see the part where he was quick to absolve himself of any blame. Then proceeded to blame everyone else.

Self-righteous, egg-head looking fuck.

 

[Looking]

Videos such as the one from The Perverted Puppy Killer on YouTube assumes that members don't know what they want and need to be dissuaded from their thoughts of suicide.

How and why do they arrive at this conclusion? Why are people like him (and people who agree with him) incapable of taking comments at face value?

If someone says they want to die, where does he get off disagreeing with them?

If people are on the fence, they will tell you.

If people want your advice about staying alive, they will ask you.

Otherwise, STFU (Not talking about you, per se).

I don't know anything about that creator or their videos, so I can't really say much about it.

(This response is unrelated to that creator or their videos)

I think sometimes, as users, we get mixed up in our own views that sometimes we forget that some people aren't viewing the situation through the same lens as ours. If someone has bluntly said "I don't want advice" or they're asking a direct question - then it's the respectful thing to respond to their question(s) without derailing the thread about personal beliefs of whether or not they should do it. In this thread, someone asked about the storage of SN. My responses were just focused on the actual question. I didn't state my personal beliefs of whether or not they should do something.

Some people just told them "You shouldn't premix it" after a user said they probably should. In my response, I said you should find out why people are saying that before making a choice. In this instance, I provided information I understood or knew at the time. I didn't talk them out of their choice in general to CTB - My response was solely educational because they had asked a specific question.

I guess that's my point. It's about providing information so the person in the thread can MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE. And, in my opinion, an "informed choice" means addressing possible options and alternatives. It's not about telling people what to do, it's about sometimes putting your emotions aside to actually address an OP and their overall choices. If people had derailed the thread about storing SN with comments like "Yeah, I wouldn't do it. It didn't work out for me. I really fuckin' hated it, too." - Then that feels pretty shitty, doesn't it? Why isn't the topic of medical treatment treated the same as every other "educational" post on here?

Derailing the thread about your experience, without explaining why it was shitty or what happened - it's pretty damn useless advice at that point, isn't it? What's a better option - providing an educational response, or an emotional one? Which one helps the author of the thread?

(General "you" here. I wasn't addressing you directly if I said "you", so sorry if there's a misunderstanding with that!)

 

[justwanasleep]

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[WonderingSoul]

I watched nearly the whole video and I honestly don't like it. What is worse is the fact that he is one of the more bigger content creators out there. That means if more content creators find this video, they might make more videos about this site, which is the thing that worries me the most.

The video itself is just like anything that comes out of mainstream mental health. "Stop, go get help, this is a terrible decision". The video felt very one sided if you ask me because the site isn't all doom in gloom. I've seen so many users here give advice on how to improve their life for others who are struggling. We post here so we can feel less alone. We even have a recovery section for those who want to continue living. He barely went over these aspects. This man is trying to make it look like this is some deep web site that continuously encourage others to CTB. That is not the case. From what I remember, most people here tell others it's their choice to make, but it's not encouraged.

What might be even worse than the video might be the comments themselves. God, I hate those comments. I understand that maybe some of these people do care, but I can they really do. Seriously, what can most of these people do besides encouraging us not to die. There is not going to be a direct helping hand and so I really don't understand their goal honestly.

This YouTuber and the comments are trying to get rid of symptoms of a bigger illness. The illness might be different for everyone but I could probably just boil it down with a lot problems with our society today.

I absolutely don't agree with what this guy is saying because a lot of cases he is not fixing the root cause for why people are suicidal. I find it so gross that the comments on the video are calling him "heroic" when he didn't even give the full picture.

 

[SamTam33]

I don't know anything about that creator or their videos, so I can't really say much about it.

(This response is unrelated to that creator or their videos)

I think sometimes, as users, we get mixed up in our own views that sometimes we forget that some people aren't viewing the situation through the same lens as ours. If someone has bluntly said "I don't want advice" or they're asking a direct question - then it's the respectful thing to respond to their question(s) without derailing the thread about personal beliefs of whether or not they should do it. In this thread, someone asked about the storage of SN. My responses were just focused on the actual question. I didn't state my personal beliefs of whether or not they should do something.

Some people just told them "You shouldn't premix it" after a user said they probably should. In my response, I said you should find out why people are saying that before making a choice. In this instance, I provided information I understood or knew at the time. I didn't talk them out of their choice in general to CTB - My response was solely educational because they had asked a specific question.

I guess that's my point. It's about providing information so the person in the thread can MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE. And, in my opinion, an "informed choice" means addressing possible options and alternatives. It's not about telling people what to do, it's about sometimes putting your emotions aside to actually address an OP and their overall choices. If people had derailed the thread about storing SN with comments like "Yeah, I wouldn't do it. It didn't work out for me. I really fuckin' hated it, too." - Then that feels pretty shitty, doesn't it? Why isn't the topic of medical treatment treated the same as every other "educational" post on here?

Derailing the thread about your experience, without explaining why it was shitty or what happened - it's pretty damn useless advice at that point, isn't it? What's a better option - providing an educational response, or an emotional one? Which one helps the author of the thread?

(General "you" here. I wasn't addressing you directly if I said "you", so sorry if there's a misunderstanding with that!)

I haven't read the posts you've specifically linked, but my issue (in general) is what makes one think the posts aren't "informed" to begin with?

I'm not referring to anything you've posted, but the overall POV of the Tarantula video.

What did he say that we need to take into consideration and WHY should we take it into consideration?

You originally said we should "put effort" into some of the things he suggested and my response is WHY and how do you know effort wasn't already put forward by the poster(s)?

How do you determine that enough "effort" has been exerted?

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Story of a Cursed Knight - a System64 original piece
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Story of a Cursed Knight - a System64 original piece

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[Composed: early October 2021] This is my first example of storytelling through music. After composing Graveyard of Memories, everything I tried to compose simply failed; so, I tried to come up with a story that would help me compose. I'd love to hear your own stories based on this piece, so if you wanna come up with a story yourself you shouldn't read past this as it is the story I came up with.

The story (TW: mental instability, suicide):

In a fortified medieval village, there was once a knight, born in a family of knights, but cursed with a terrible power: the ability to feel other people's pain.

At first he was able to control it, to restrict the flow of suffering, and thus he was still able to protect his village. But as time went on, it became more and more of a burden, like a heavy rock never lifted from his shoulders; and yet, he carried the weight, as he knew he was the only one who could do so.

But even an exceptionally strong human mind eventually falls to such heavy pressure; and as time went on, the pain began to take more of a toll on him.

Day after day he wondered more if what he was doing was right; if he was on the enemy's side, the people he now had as allies would be cruel faceless enemies, and his enemies would be friends.

Was it right to kill someone just for having a flag of different colours? Feeling constantly the pain of those he slaughtered, he could not answer this question.

Eventually the storm in his mind was too much to bear, and he tried to look everywhere for an answer, but he found none.

Until... he began to see a light out of the dark tunnel he was in. A solution that could fix his situation, but a terrible one. Trembling, and assaulted by pain, guilt and doubt, he decided to go through with it. The knight was no more.


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Soundfonts: Musescore General Key signature: D harmonic minor Time signature: 4/4 BPM: 100 BBCSO instruments: - Piccolo - Flute - Clarinet - Oboe - Bassoon - Horns - Tenor trombone - Trumpet - Violin - Viola - Violoncello - Celeste - Tubular Bells - Timpani - Percussions LABS libraries: - Synth Strings: Brass Pad - Choir: Long - Tape Orchestra: Vox Humana - Hand Bells: Ghost Hand Bells All tools used are free and available to everyone.

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[SamTam33]

FYI: youtube has a "report" button to flag offensive videos

 

[Looking]

I haven't read the posts you've specifically linked, but my issue (in general) is what makes one think the posts aren't "informed" to begin with?

I'm not referring to anything you've posted, but the overall POV of the Tarantula video.

What did he say that we need to take into consideration and WHY should we take it into consideration?

You originally said we should "put effort" into some of the things he suggested and my response is WHY and how do you know effort wasn't already put forward by the poster(s)?

How do you determine that enough "effort" has been exerted?

I'm just linking the threads for people who want a visual understanding of what I'm saying, as an example. Sometimes it's easier for people to see what I'm saying in a real life situation/thread than me just saying "You should make educational responses", if that makes sense. Sorry if that was confusing on your end - It really didn't have much to do with my actual post history.

My argument is simple, really. It's a notice to people, especially active users, to just think about their responses more and take the time to take into consideration how your response effects the author of the thread.

I really can't get into the philosophical argument of what defines "effort", and what defines as "enough effort". Because it really depends on a person-by-person case. I can only provide what I personally deemed as a more beneficial response, and in my personal experience and opinion, it's providing more educational responses instead of emotional ones so an author can make an informed choice. It doesn't have to do much with "effort" as it does with "kind of responses".

It's why I think it should be a community discussion of what we define as improvement of replies. In my opinion, a lot of replies are low-tier, unnecessarily selfish and not really helpful in most cases. I think it depends ON the kind of thread though. If someone is making a venting thread, for the sole intention to vent, then yeah it makes sense the responses are emotional. That makes sense, doesn't it? In the same way, I would view this thread as a "vent" thread. The author made the thread to discuss the video and their personal belief on said video. So everyone's responses to this thread makes sense.

But in general. When people ask a question, when referring to medical treatment of most kinds, I feel like it's people's habit to derail the thread to state their personal opinions on the matter and not actually help the author in any meaningful manner. If someone states "I'm scared to go to therapy, I don't want to be hospitalized!" - You want to know what most people will most likely respond with? "You shouldn't go to therapy because they WILL hospitalize you", or state about how they hated therapy, or state how you can't trust anyone in this world and you can only trust yourself, and that you shouldn't involve other people into your suicide plans because if you do they'll stop you, etc.

In my opinion, a helpful response would've been "Why do you have that fear?" or "Well, it is a possibility, but it really depends how you bring it up. In most cases, a therapist won't hospitalize you unless you tell them you have a current plan in motion to do so. I advise just avoiding current language to describe your suicidal ideation and instead talk in the past tense." Bam! You actually helped the OP with their problem. They know how to navigate that situation better now. They know what to do and they can make an informed choice to go or not, knowing that new information.

I'm not asking everyone on the site to change how they interact with users, or that everyone needs to do it in this way or else. It's my response of "If you can understand what I'm saying, then maybe having more people follow in that kind of lead could help overall." I'm not asking for a lot from users, I'm also not asking for a lot of users to do it. It's just my personal view that is based on my personal experience, not a call to change the entire site's function as a whole.

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I watched nearly the whole video and I honestly don't like it. What is worse is the fact that he is one of the more bigger content creators out there. That means if more content creators find this video, they might make more videos about this site, which is the thing that worries me the most.

Oh, god. I didn't even think about that. Just what we need, is a million video essays on the site. I think the messed up part about people doing it isn't the fact people are just making educational videos about it, it's kind of like they'd be viewing the website as some dark web underground website that tells everyone to be weary of - or whatever. I guess I don't like the thought of the "gawking" aspect of it all.

 

[pillow933]

I think the main point I agree with is the unanimous (at least it seems that way) view among most posters to accept a user's decision to CTB as a valid one.

Of course, it's almost impossible to know an individual's situation, especially when in most cases on the forum it's rarely given, but I'm very skeptical about giving direct advice or actively encouraging people that the decision to CTB is the correct one, unless you know them and their reasons very well.

Personally, and this is likely to be unpopular and it's just a wild guess, but I'd wager that that vast majority of people on this forum could benefit from external sources of help and that CTB is not their only option. There's thousands and thousands of people that visit this forum daily, and a very small minority actively CTB. This isn't to suggest that anyone in particular is making a bad decision, but just that most the majority of people who end up on this forum are unlikely (just purely speaking out of the vast numbers of active registered users) to ever make the final decision to end their life, suggesting that for a very real, large contingent of people who may access information here they don't actually CTB. While you can argue that in the grand scheme of things people who do commit may have more 'valid' intentions as opposed to those who don't, it does raise the question as to how many people are misdirected and make the 'wrong' decision when other means might still be available to help them.

Apart from that I have a lot of other grudges with the video but I guess they've been mostly highlighted in this thread already.

 

[Looking]

I think the main point I agree with is the unanimous (at least it seems that way) view among most posters to accept a user's decision to CTB as a valid one.

Of course, it's almost impossible to know an individual's situation, especially when in most cases on the forum it's rarely given, but I'm very skeptical about giving direct advice or actively encouraging people that the decision to CTB is the correct one, unless you know them and their reasons very well.

Personally, and this is likely to be unpopular and it's just a wild guess, but I'd wager that that vast majority of people on this forum could benefit from external sources of help and that CTB is not their only option. There's thousands and thousands of people that visit this forum daily, and a very small minority actively CTB. This isn't to suggest that anyone in particular is making a bad decision, but just that most the majority of people who end up on this forum are unlikely (just purely speaking out of the vast numbers of active registered users) to ever make the final decision to end their life, suggesting that for a very real, large contingent of people who may access information here they don't actually CTB. While you can argue that in the grand scheme of things people who do commit may have more 'valid' intentions as opposed to those who don't, it does raise the question as to how many people are misdirected and make the 'wrong' decision when other means might still be available to help them.

Apart from that I have a lot of other grudges with the video but I guess they've been mostly highlighted in this thread already.

Absolutely 100% agree with this. You said it way better than I could've.

 

[SamTam33]

...My argument is simple, really. It's a notice to people, especially active users, to just think about their responses more and take the time to take into consideration how your response effects the author of the thread...

How do you know that's not already happening?

It sounds like you're saying that because the responses aren't what YOU deem appropriate, then the replies aren't considerate.

Edit: in other words, it sounds like you'd prefer if people changed their responses. My question is why?

 

[Damnation]

There's nothing new about his take, and there are plenty of videos like his already.
I'll start caring what these people think when someone actually tries to change things for the better... for us, not for them.

 

[Looking]

How do you know that's not already happening?

It sounds like you're saying that because the responses aren't what YOU deem appropriate, then the replies aren't considerate.

What? I feel like you don't understand, or maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.

Yes, it's my personal opinion. The video creator said that there's a problem where people overly encourage people to commit suicide on this website. I agree that most of the time as the default response to everything on this website is, yeah, overly encouraging.

If you have a problem with that assessment, then it sounds like you take part in that issue. I've never, in my life, seen someone defend telling people to commit suicide as hard as some people on this website. I thought we were meant to be a support community - to help people who are in need - not telling everyone to off themselves. If what a person needs to do is to end their lives, then it's their choice. You can be comforting, you can be supportive, you can be helpful and provide information. Do you really need to tell them to just do it, though?

Just because everyone here is completely desensitized to the concept of death doesn't mean it's the ideology you should push onto other people, especially if they're open-minded to other choices. I thought it was our job to SUPPORT EACH OTHER, in WHATEVER CHOICE THEY MAKE, not our job to persuade people to making a choice you would make.

If you cannot simply comprehend the differences being supportive and coaxing someone into doing something, then that is not my job to educate you on that. You and everyone else can keep making any kinds of replies you guys want to make, as long as they follow the website's terms of service. That's kind of the cool thing about forums is you get a lot of perspectives (most of the time) from all kinds of different people. Not really in this case, but, y'know.

But, yeah, in my personal opinion, people should be more considerate when replying. I'm sorry if that's a bit of a hot take to have.

 

[SamTam33]

What? I feel like you don't understand, or maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.

Yes, it's my personal opinion. The video creator said that there's a problem where people overly encourage people to commit suicide on this website. I agree that most of the time as the default response to everything on this website is, yeah, overly encouraging.

If you have a problem with that assessment, then it sounds like you take part in that issue. I've never, in my life, seen someone defend telling people to commit suicide as hard as some people on this website. I thought we were meant to be a support community - to help people who are in need - not telling everyone to off themselves. If what a person needs to do is to end their lives, then it's their choice. You can be comforting, you can be supportive, you can be helpful and provide information. Do you really need to tell them to just do it, though?

Just because everyone here is completely desensitized to the concept of death doesn't mean it's the ideology you should push onto other people, especially if they're open-minded to other choices. I thought it was our job to SUPPORT EACH OTHER, in WHATEVER CHOICE THEY MAKE, not our job to persuade people to making a choice you would make.

If you cannot simply comprehend the differences being supportive and coaxing someone into doing something, then that is not my job to educate you on that. You and everyone else can keep making any kinds of replies you guys want to make, as long as they follow the website's terms of service. That's kind of the cool thing about forums is you get a lot of perspectives (most of the time) from all kinds of different people. Not really in this case, but, y'know.

But, yeah, in my personal opinion, people should be more considerate when replying. I'm sorry if that's a bit of a hot take to have.

Ahhh I see now. You're one of those members with special glasses. When you view the board, you see an abundance of people encouraging others to commit suicide.

I don't have a pair of those glasses so that's not what I see.

 

[Looking]

Ahhh I see now. You're one of those members with special glasses. When you view the board, you see an abundance of people encouraging others to commit suicide.

I don't have a pair of those glasses so that's not what I see.

Unironically confused here. My entire argument is it's my personal opinion on my personal experience on this forum. I'm glad you have your own experience which differs from mine, it's really awesome that two people can view the same situation differently and come to different conclusions. It's the awesome thing about being your own person with your own lived experiences.

At this point, we're debating whether or not one experience is more valid than the other. Both of our views are valid. If you disagree with what I said, then you can just simply not do the advice I offered in the posts. If someone here DOES agree with what I said and took it into account, then it's their choice to make that change (or not).

I'm glad we've come to the conclusion that we just have different experiences, but I guess we both disagree on what makes that valid or not. I guess you think my experience is invalid, while I think yours is valid? I guess I don't understand your response. (Genuinely asking)

 

[SamTam33]

Unironically confused here. My entire argument is it's my personal opinion on my personal experience on this forum. I'm glad you have your own experience which differs from mine, it's really awesome that two people can view the same situation differently and come to different conclusions. It's the awesome thing about being your own person with your own lived experiences.

At this point, we're debating whether or not one experience is more valid than the other. Both of our views are valid. If you disagree with what I said, then you can just simply not do the advice I offered in the posts. If someone here DOES agree with what I said and took it into account, then it's their choice to make that change (or not).

I'm glad we've come to the conclusion that we just have different experiences, but I guess we both disagree on what makes that valid or not. I guess you think my experience is invalid, while I think yours is valid? I guess I don't understand your response. (Genuinely asking)

I just wanted to know why you think Tarantula's ramblings had any validity and where do people go when they're beyond help.

When is it ok to stop suggesting therapy and the like?

 

[Moonomyth]

But in general. When people ask a question, when referring to medical treatment of most kinds, I feel like it's people's habit to derail the thread to state their personal opinions on the matter and not actually help the author in any meaningful manner. If someone states "I'm scared to go to therapy, I don't want to be hospitalized!" - You want to know what most people will most likely respond with? "You shouldn't go to therapy because they WILL hospitalize you", or state about how they hated therapy, or state how you can't trust anyone in this world and you can only trust yourself, and that you shouldn't involve other people into your suicide plans because if you do they'll stop you, etc.

I don't know if we can reasonably expect that kind of professionalism from a group of individuals of various ages, backgrounds, and written communication skills who have self-selected for various ranges of mental illness. That's especially true when discussing interactions with different mental health systems, where much of the userbase has self-selected for negative experiences.