My Sodium Thiopental is here!

[Demian]

Drunk but only in terms of disorientation.

OK, thanks!

I'm going to try to buy sodium thiopental as well, as N seems to be impossible and it seems to me that ST is sold in pharmacies on prescription, but that's the least of it haha

 

[rozeske]

Any change? Or is it a constant feeling? Do you feel drowsy or sleepy?

 

[INTJme]

The toxicity of Pentothal when given orally or rectally is about half that of Nembutal.

Now that's worrying! I only have 18.5 gms remaining... And my heart is in top condition–athletic levels.
I'm hoping it's enough. @rotciv

Any change? Or is it a constant feeling? Do you feel drowsy or sleepy?

No change, might even have started to wean off a little bit.

May i ask which part of the world you are from?


( I can see my guess was right. India) Damn you are a lucky son of a ... you know that :) )

Well, food and pharmacy is all there is to feel grateful for. Else it's been a traumatic existence for 31 years!

 

[rozeske]

No change, might even have started to wean off a little bit.

It could mean a larger does is needed to make you feel drowsy? if 500mg is making you feel just disoriented.

The toxicity of Pentothal when given orally or rectally is about half that of Nembutal.

That could be why...

 

[rotciv]

The toxicity of Pentothal when given orally or rectally is about half that of Nembutal.

Now that's worrying! I only have 18.5 gms remaining... And my heart is in top condition–athletic levels.
I'm hoping it's enough. @rotciv

No change, might even have started to wean off a little bit.

I was going to mention the same, thanks for coming forward.

From the differences I see in the LD50 in rats and mice between Thiopental and Nembutal the potency is even less than half, so I would go with at least 30 grams (If oral) to replicate the Nembutal assisted suicide.

 

[unabletocope]

Imo if its not that expensive and it works to be half as effective as N... maybe it's worth trying 25g?

 

[INTJme]

I was going to mention the same, thanks for coming forward.

From the differences I see in the LD50 in rats and mice between Thiopental and Nembutal the potency is even less than half, so I would go with at least 30 grams to replicate a Nembutal Swiss assisted suicide.

30 grams!! Didn't Eashanm take just 15? But then again, we don't have any confirmation that he successfully ctb-ed, right?

 

[Otaku]

Remember your mind gets terrifying quickly used to it!
So if i were you, I would not "nap" anymore, unless you were to use it for CTB.
Because... Then i am not sure how reliable it would be.

 

[INTJme]

Imo if its not that expensive and it works to be half as effective as N... maybe it's worth trying 25g?

It's not about the money but how much I could chug. The taste is quite bad and just 500mg made me feel like I have a lump in my throat and that could make swallowing even more difficult.

Remember your mind gets terrifying quickly used to it!
So if i were you, I would not "nap" anymore, unless you were to use it for CTB.
Because... Then i am not sure how reliable it would be.

Oh no, I won't use it anymore until I'm ready to use them all at once. Just wanted to confirm I haven't been scammed. :)

 

[unabletocope]

It's not about the money but how much I could chug. The taste is quite bad and just 500mg made me feel like I have a lump in my throat and that could make swallowing even more difficult.

Oh no, I won't use it anymore until I'm ready to use them all at once. Just wanted to confirm I haven't been scammed. :)

When you put it like that.. 25g, eesh

 

[Otaku]

Well, food and pharmacy is all there is to feel grateful for. Else it's been a traumatic existence for 31 years!

I am happy you have a peaceful exit then if needed :)

 

[rotciv]

30 grams!! Didn't Eashanm take just 15? But then again, we don't have any confirmation that he successfully ctb-ed, right?

Not 100% sure but more likely.

Its like, most of people would ctb with 7,5g of N too, but because mortality it isn't a linear equation they use a reasonably high dose to decrease the probability of failure.

 

[INTJme]

Not 100% sure but more likely.

Its like, most of people would ctb with 7,5g of N too, but because mortality it isn't a linear equation they use a reasonably high dose to decrease the probability of failure.

Alright, I think I'm gonna tell the seller that several bottles arrived broken and that I need 10gms more. Surely 28.5 gms would suffice despite my strong heart. I just hope I can actually drink all of it without puking.
P.S. 70 minutes since consumption, the effects are now just 30% of peak.

 

[rotciv]

Alright, I think I'm gonna tell the seller that several bottles arrived broken and that I need 10gms more. Surely 28.5 gms would suffice despite my strong heart. I just hope I can actually drink all of it without puking.

Use antiemetics, ondasetrom and domperidon.

I think I paid about $60 for the 20 grams, but they knew I wasn't Indian so they must have taken advantage.

 

[rozeske]

Look into it more but I think you are good on quantity without extra order.
This is what is on pphe

 

[rotciv]

Look into it more but I think you are good on quantity without extra order.
This is what is on pphe

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To be honest, I don't think Philip Nitschke delved too deeply into the thiopental/pentothal subject. How he didn't delve deeper into opioids.

In other version it describes 15 grams, and in the more recent ones I don't think it even mentions it anymore.

 

[INTJme]

Look into it more but I think you are good on quantity without extra order.
This is what is on pphe

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I have read the entire PPH lol. The reason I'm skeptic about the 10gm number is that, first of all, the data set for thiopental is very low compared to N. Secondly, it is well documented that Thio is less absorbed in the body compared to N. Thirdly, there was someone here who survived almost 20gm of oral Thio. Lastly, I have a very healthy heart and most of these recommendations are for much older people or those who are suffering from physical ailments. Bonus point – When I attempt, I want to make sure it's my first and last attempt. :)

 

[rozeske]

I have read the entire PPH lol. The reason I'm skeptic about the 10gm number is that, first of all, the data set for thiopental is very low compared to N. Secondly, it is well documented that Thio is less absorbed in the body compared to N. Thirdly, there was someone here who survived almost 20gm of oral Thio. Lastly, I have a very healthy heart and most of these recommendations are for much older people or those who are suffering from physical ailments. Bonus point – When I attempt, I want to make sure it's my first and last attempt. :)

In that case I guess you would have to look for well documented death by Thio. Imo it would be better to have a definite lethal dosage than to take a very large dose and risk vomiting it all and surviving.

 

[INTJme]

In that case I guess you would have to look for well documented death by Thio. Imo it would be better to have a definite lethal dosage than to take a very large dose and risk vomiting it all and surviving.

I've tried to find them and the only well-documented ones for Thio are lethal injection deaths in the US many years ago. So there's not much really to go off of when it comes to oral administration.

 

[Dayrain]

I've tried to find them and the only well-documented ones for Thio are lethal injection deaths in the US many years ago. So there's not much really to go off of when it comes to oral administration.

Have you searched for all usual keywords regarding this in Hindi too?

 

[rotciv]

I have read the entire PPH lol. The reason I'm skeptic about the 10gm number is that, first of all, the data set for thiopental is very low compared to N. Secondly, it is well documented that Thio is less absorbed in the body compared to N. Thirdly, there was someone here who survived almost 20gm of oral Thio. Lastly, I have a very healthy heart and most of these recommendations are for much older people or those who are suffering from physical ailments. Bonus point – When I attempt, I want to make sure it's my first and last attempt. :)

It was her report that made me focus on rectal administration, and now use an opioid nitazene in combination.

 

[INTJme]

Have you searched all usual keywords regarding this in Hindi too?

No, I haven't searched for results in Hindi because 1. thiopental is thiopental in Hindi too :) and secondly, any STEM academic research carried out in India is in English, so pretty sure I won't find anything in Hindi.

 

[Dayrain]

No, I haven't searched for results in Hindi because 1. thiopental is thiopental in Hindi too :) and secondly, any STEM academic research carried out in India is in English, so pretty sure I won't find anything in Hindi.

Maybe one could find something niche or useful by searching with Hindi letters on duckduckgo. I don't know.

 

[Endisclose]

How long does it take to ctb from this? There's one post here that claims it might take more than 3 days??

Sodium thiopental

Hello. I'm a new user here but I was reading this forum from time to time for a long time. Years are passing but I'm still stuck on the same place. I don't like to take any spontaneous decisions so I've started to prepare myself and trying to find out the best method for me. I fully prepared for...

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[rozeske]

@INTJme So this plan of yours is going to be an experiment? If there are no definite known cases? Or trusted guide line? Is this the smartest idea?

 

[INTJme]

How long does it take to ctb from this? There's one post here that claims it might take more than 3 days??

Sodium thiopental

Hello. I'm a new user here but I was reading this forum from time to time for a long time. Years are passing but I'm still stuck on the same place. I don't like to take any spontaneous decisions so I've started to prepare myself and trying to find out the best method for me. I fully prepared for...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Anything over 8 hours is rare. Exceptionally rare cases may take days, yes. But it's the same with N too.

@INTJme So this plan of yours is going to be an experiment? If there are no definite known cases? Or trusted guide line? Is this the smartest idea?

Well, it's not like I'm experimenting with something entirely new. Thio finds its mention in PPH and has been extensively used in lethal injections in the US. The only question is how much I need to take.
Besides, worst case scenario that I survive. What then? I'll source KCN and get it over with as soon as I can find 5 minutes of privacy.

 

[Endisclose]

Anything over 8 hours is rare. Exceptionally rare cases may take days, yes. But it's the same with N too.

I don't see the pph mentioning time to ctb or even the oral route.. Am I missing something here? The other book I have is from wozz foundation and it speaks exclusively of the intravenous route which it says is about 10 mins to ctb. Wonder why there is such a big difference in terms of timelines between the intravenous and the oral route, I thought what matters orally was time taken to reach the small intestine and then it should get absorbed into the bloodstream pretty quickly from there..I thought on an empty stomach this shouldn't exceed like 45 mins.. such a big difference in time doesn't make sense..

 

[INTJme]

I thought what matters orally was time taken to reach the small intestine and then it should get absorbed into the bloodstream pretty quickly from there..I thought on an empty stomach this shouldn't exceed like 45 mins.. such a big difference in time doesn't make sense..

There are several things at play here to determine time to ctb. Barbiturates essentially cause ctb through heart failure. So the healthier your heart, the more resistance it will put up. And unfortunately, I have a 31 year old athletic heart with a resting heart rate of 48 bpm. :)
Also, from what I've read, Thio is not as well absorbed an N because of the added element in its composition – Sulphur, hence the bigger dose when administered orally.
Lastly, Thio is an ultra-short acting barbiturate compared to N which is a short-acting, so it has a shorter half-life and gets to work quick. Hence the preference for IV over oral administration as there's a real risk of people going to sleep without consuming adequate amounts to ctb.

 

[rotciv]

There are several things at play here to determine time to ctb. Barbiturates essentially cause ctb through heart failure. So the healthier your heart, the more resistance it will put. And unfortunately, I have a 31 year old athletic heart with a resting heart rate of 48 bpm. :)
Also, from what I've read, Thio is not as well absorbed an N because of the added element – Sulphur, hence the bigger dose when administered orally.
Lastly, Thio is an ultra-fast acting barbiturate compared to N which is a fast-acting, so it has a shorter half-life. Again necessitating a bigger dose to keep it longer in the system and ensure it does its work. :)

I think 30 grams mix with coca-cola or another beverage, antiemetics before, 24h without beeing found and you good..

Some logistics are always necessary to have a successful CTB.

 

[INTJme]

I think 30 grams mix with coca-cola or another beverage, antiemetics before, 24h without beeing found and you good..

Some logistics are always necessary to have a successful CTB.

Alcohol is suggested to make thiopental more effective, so I'll take that route instead of coke. :)
Anti-emetics are a must! Cannot do without them.
Honestly, I think I'll be able to gulp down at least 25 gms and I know I won't puke for the taste alone because I'm used to consuming bitter stuff. Heck, up until age 17 I used to take all my medicines crushed because I had a phobia of swallowing tablets lol. And some medicines were nasty af. So I have more tolerance than most when it comes to handling bitterness on the tastebuds.
24 hours without being found is going to be the trickiest because I'll be in a hotel room. While I can put the "sock" on my door handle, it'll be suspicious since I'll be alone. I can ensure minimum of 12 hours though and hopefully even more if luck is on my side.