Kids killing themselves easily

[EGR92]

I've read alot of articles recently about kids (ages 12-17) ctb. The majority of these are by hanging and seem fairly impulsive and unplanned (from what I've read). How are they managing this so easily with little to no planning when there's us on here planning for weeks, even months to ctb? yet still sometimes failing. Are we over thinking it?

 

[InevitablePattern91]

Kids usually do things by impulse and don't think about the consequences.

Also, their bodies may be less resistant to some methods. For example, usually in CO poisoning accidents, children use to be the first ones to die.

I think it's way easier for them.

 

[EGR92]

Kids usually do things by impulse and don't think about the consequences.

Also, their bodies may be less resistant to some methods. For example, usually in CO poisoning accidents, children use to be the first ones to die.

I think it's way easier for them.

Lucky them. It just amazes me how most suicides by kids was hanging. However I've read of so many unsuccessful attempts on here, even practice runs. Hanging for me has always looked complicated, especially doing the correct knots etc, how are they managing it

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I think you're missing all the failures that aren't reported.

Also, how many are full suspensions and how many are partials? If there are a lot of partials, then there are like many that failed, so you're not getting the whole picture.

Also, I think on this forum it's impossible to know how many succeed because they don't report attempting, they just attempt and succeed. There's no way to know what percentage of folks have no problem accessing their cartoids.

Personally, I know I haven't "overthought" anything. I've tested. I've tried several different positions and no matter what, it is my jugulars that get constricted. Unless I'm doing full hanging and can't escape, as long as it's super uncomfortable like it was when I tried position 3 from the illustration at the beginning of the hanging megathread, I'm going to escape. I've also tried tourniquet and night night. If I can't do it, I can't do it.

On a side note, I've read Five Final Acts and the tourniquet method seems so easy. The author talks about the seminars they hold in which people practice tourniquet. I wonder how many he doesn't talk about who go to those seminars and no matter how much they try, they can't find the sweet spot either. I wonder if it's a lie of omission. It's no wonder people feel inadequate or wonder if they're overthinking if they see so many success by children, old people, and celebrities -- they don't know how many try and simply don't have the physiology to do it.

Also, their bodies may be less resistant to some methods. For example, usually in CO poisoning accidents, children use to be the first ones to die.

Couldn't that be because their bodies are smaller and so will succumb more quickly to the effects?

 

[restingspot]

Lucky them.

I'm gonna be That Guy to say please don't use language like this for children. Children killing themselves successfully isn't "lucky" it's incredibly tragic. Idk, there's a difference between an adult and a child doing it. I can't explain why but using that type of language for children is terrible and disrespectful. My two cents.

 

[InevitablePattern91]

Lucky them. It just amazes me how most suicides by kids was hanging. However I've read of so many unsuccessful attempts on here, even practice runs. Hanging for me has always looked complicated, especially doing the correct knots etc, how are they managing it

Hanging is really complicated because a lot of things can go wrong.

We know that if you don't do it correctly, you will suffer A LOT, and if you get rescued or the rope break you can get permanent brain damage.

Do you think children who hang themselves by impulse know that?

I think that the fact they don't know how it can go wrong + being a method anyone can do even in their bedroom + impulsiveness + less resilient body/neck could be the answer to your question.

 

[EGR92]

It's no wonder people feel inadequate or wonder if they're overthinking if they see so many success by children, old people, and celebrities -- they don't know how many try and simply don't have the physiology to do it.

Exactly this!

Hanging is really complicated because a lot of things can go wrong.

We know that if you don't do it correctly, you will suffer A LOT, and if you get rescued or the rope break you can get permanent brain damage.

Do you think children who hang themselves by impulse know that?

I think that the fact they don't know how it can go wrong + being a method anyone can do even in their bedroom + impulsiveness + less resilient body/neck could be the answer to your question.

Thats a good point to make, I'm fairly sure they probably don't know, or even think about it in fact.
However reading all these success stories (not just the children) makes me want to 'impulsively' try it seeing as it seems so successful

I'm gonna be That Guy to say please don't use language like this for children. Children killing themselves successfully isn't "lucky" it's incredibly tragic. Idk, there's a difference between an adult and a child doing it. I can't explain why but using that type of language for children is terrible and disrespectful. My two cents.

I was referring to the comment "Kids usually do things by impulse and don't think about the consequences" as being lucky.
But yes there always seems to be 'that guy' on this forum. Thanks for your two cents. I wasn't being 'terrible' or 'disrespectful' at all. Of course its incredibly tragic that a child kills themselves.

 

[CarbonMonoxide]

Exactly this!


Thats a good point to make, I'm fairly sure they probably don't know, or even think about it in fact.
However reading all these success stories (not just the children) makes me want to 'impulsively' try it seeing as it seems so successful

Hanging has become my method of choice because I've found ways of doing it that work for me. For instance when I tie the knot in front below my Adam's apple the fading into unconsciousness comes fast. I also don't feel like my esophagus is crushed. I can breathe fine. It's all about finding a way that fits.

Most successes come with full suspension. I'm going this route with the rope in front like the Indians do it. It's true though that this method doesn't work for everyone because of different factors. However, most suicides in my country are by hanging or swallowing farm chemicals.

 

[Shinkansen]

I know cases of children who committed suicide by drinking household cleaners, a method that has a high potential for failure, but a child doesn't even think about it: children are very impulsive and don't think about the consequences they could suffer in case of failure.
if they want to do something, they do it, without thinking.

an adult thinks too much, his brain is more developed and therefore plans everything he does, evaluating all possible risks.

we must also consider that the body of a child is much weaker than an adult: many methods that are fatal for a child, for an adult are only a way to go to the hospital with an ambulance.

 

[Jumper Geo]

I think children are more inclined to take risks so the SI has not developed or strong enough to prevent them doing dangerous activities, when your older you tend to steer clear of anything which will cause harm.

Cheers

Geo

 

[I screwed up]

I guess in most developing countries hanging is the most common way to ctb , also a lot of celebrities also ctb by hanging , so its natural for kids to try hanging as it is what they hear and read about . In addition it does not need any thing that needs to be bought or sourced ... Easiest way to go .. Sad but true ... We adults think of easier ways and about ctb consequences of failures ..

 

[Garbage Person]

We are very much like machines in the manner of being a product of your environment. Children are much easier to persuade and highly impressionable compared to a full functioning adult. They also don't weigh options the same way an adult will either. Let's say a child with severe trauma in an abusive home gets access to the Internet and seeks help in the wrong place, or even just ends up in an abyss like one of the chans or something. If they're told to kill themselves or seek out the info themselves, they're likely to act more out of impulse and feelings of hopelessness that would vary from what we feel as adults. There's a reason most mass shooters in America are typically younger. Same with gang violence, and also similar to other countries using children for warfare.

 

[EGR92]

We are very much like machines in the manner of being a product of your environment. Children are much easier to persuade and highly impressionable compared to a full functioning adult. They also don't weigh options the same way an adult will either. Let's say a child with severe trauma in an abusive home gets access to the Internet and seeks help in the wrong place, or even just ends up in an abyss like one of the chans or something. If they're told to kill themselves or seek out the info themselves, they're likely to act more out of impulse and feelings of hopelessness that would vary from what we feel as adults. There's a reason most mass shooters in America are typically younger. Same with gang violence, and also similar to other countries using children for warfare.

Very true, made me think of that 'Bluewhale' where kids were manipulated into killing themselves

 

[rancho]

Hanging has become my method of choice because I've found ways of doing it that work for me. For instance when I tie the knot in front below my Adam's apple the fading into unconsciousness comes fast. I also don't feel like my esophagus is crushed. I can breathe fine. It's all about finding a way that fits.

Most successes come with full suspension. I'm going this route with the rope in front like the Indians do it. It's true though that this method doesn't work for everyone because of different factors. However, most suicides in my country are by hanging or swallowing farm chemicals.

Do you test these things out halfway somehow? I know nothing about hanging but I have had the thought that if a 12 year old can do, I should be able to figure it out.

 

[FireFox]

I am shocked about hearing child sucides. When i was child i didnt know what sucide was.

Remember the media will always report a successful sucide.
This to sell stories and also to give zealous grieving parents a platform to promote some campaign or assign blame at society when parents fail to look at themsevles.

A lot of these parents that go on the tv when thier child kills themselves. I always wonder how well did they really know thier child?
Did they really listen when thier children were upset ?
Some parents think they are the best but have not got a clue what goes on in thier childs life

The problem is most parents dont listen.

There lots of children who fail at sucide as well.
A couple of years ago my nan was in the hospital visting my ill little sister in the childrens ward. A couple of hospital beds down there was a family who had a seven year old child who tried to kill himself..
My nan was telling me . Her reaction was
" how can a seven year old know about sucide ?"
My nan was confused by the wrong thing

 

[ERASED]

I've read alot of articles recently about kids (ages 12-17) ctb. The majority of these are by hanging and seem fairly impulsive and unplanned (from what I've read). How are they managing this so easily with little to no planning when there's us on here planning for weeks, even months to ctb? yet still sometimes failing. Are we over thinking it?

I wouldn't say over thinking....well I know for me I'm not. But I do believe it's harder for some now since I'm older and have kids it makes it more difficult to CTB. Even though when I was young I attempted suicide easily because I had nothing to stop me. And I tried to CTB twice which both experiences left me with health problems and my mental health is just deteriorating. I don't know if I'm going to make it to 40.

 

[Meditation guide]

That poor 13 year old girl who hung herself from a tree live online.... She was saying things like "I'm sorry I'm not good enough" over and over while she got ready to do it. Someone was bullying her unmercifully. She had mentioned thinking about it the day before she did it. It seems to always be due to being bullied.

 

[Deleted member 17949]

You are seeing suicide successes. Many more kids attempt stunts like this and fail than succeed. Many attempts won't even be known about; I personally made attempts as a younger teen that nobody would have known about. On top of this, impulsive suicide is fairly common even among older people. Many people die with no real plan, but it's important to note that many more people live or are injured with no real plan.

 

[Checkout2]

I'm gonna be That Guy to say please don't use language like this for children. Children killing themselves successfully isn't "lucky" it's incredibly tragic. Idk, there's a difference between an adult and a child doing it. I can't explain why but using that type of language for children is terrible and disrespectful. My two cents.

I agree. Kids are so vulnerable and make hasty Decisions when they have the rest of their lives

 

[Visperidia]

I agree. Kids are so vulnerable and make hasty Decisions when they have the rest of their lives

Totally. Not to mention the fact that your brain is not fully developed yet. Puberty is shitty, and if a child has depression or anxiety they can still change as their brain develops. (Obviously trauma related mental illness is a lot different, and bullying) I was partially blind as a kid but puberty fixed it and now my vision is 20/20. The body is very dynamic.

 

[FriendofDeath]

If you want to die, you will find a way. I believe most successful suicides amongst the young are impulsive. If you are so focused on ending the pain, you likely aren't considering what could happen if you fail. It's possible you aren't even thinking about what happens if you succeed. Hanging is easy - you don't need many materials. Just like handguns.

There is also something known as the Choking Game or the Good Kids High. It seems to be most popular in middle school. Another person intentionally cuts off the oxygen supply until you pass out. Some kids play the game on their own. I don't think this accounts for a high percentage of hangings, but it happens.

 

[Checkout2]

Totally. Not to mention the fact that your brain is not fully developed yet. Puberty is shitty, and if a child has depression or anxiety they can still change as their brain develops. (Obviously trauma related mental illness is a lot different, and bullying) I was partially blind as a kid but puberty fixed it and now my vision is 20/20. The body is very dynamic.

I was in a mess when I was 19 into my early twenties and wanted to die, but then my life changed. I had twenty good years. But sadly now bipolar has destroyed my family and I. I wish I could turn back time

 

[Leshen]

Hanging (esp full suspension) is one of the easiest and most accessible methods. All you need is a strong rope and an anchor point that will hold your weight. And kids aren't that heavy. I read about a case in my country where a little girl hanged herself using a jumping rope...
Also remember just how fearless and dumb we are when we're young, how many stupid, dangerous things we did back in our day, how many times we got hurt.

So basically when an adult is paralyzed by fear wondering which rope to use, what diameter and material, which knot would be the best, where to tie it and will it hold, full or partial? knot in front or in the back? - a kid grabs the first thing that looks a rope, ties it whatever and kicks the chair so to speak.

I'm not saying that planning is bad, I'm all for planning, but some people here are indeed overthinking this way too hard.

 

[Cashewmilk]

I'm gonna be That Guy to say please don't use language like this for children. Children killing themselves successfully isn't "lucky" it's incredibly tragic. Idk, there's a difference between an adult and a child doing it. I can't explain why but using that type of language for children is terrible and disrespectful. My two cents.

I used to believe this too. But then I heard someone here say "if they're too young to ctb, then they're too young to suffer".

 

[CarbonMonoxide]

Hanging (esp full suspension) is one of the easiest and most accessible methods. All you need is a strong rope and an anchor point that will hold your weight. And kids aren't that heavy. I read about a case in my country where a little girl hanged herself using a jumping rope...
Also remember just how fearless and dumb we are when we're young, how many stupid, dangerous things we did back in our day, how many times we got hurt.

So basically when an adult is paralyzed by fear wondering which rope to use, what diameter and material, which knot would be the best, where to tie it and will it hold, full or partial? knot in front or in the back? - a kid grabs the first thing that looks a rope, ties it whatever and kicks the chair so to speak.

I'm not saying that planning is bad, I'm all for planning, but some people here are indeed overthinking this way too hard.

Adults do overthink and procrastinate ctb. Our minds are fully developed, we have more caution plus our SI is higher than way back when we were reckless kids. I downed hundreds of pills when I was fifteen without a second thought and went to bed in boarding school. I had no doubt they would work, never bothered about getting caught or feared dying. Imagine my shock when I woke up three days later in a hospital with machines strapped to my orifices.

 

[restingspot]

I used to believe this too. But then I heard someone here say "if they're too young to ctb, then they're too young to suffer".

Ehh....Not necessarily true. Suffering is universal, regardless of age. Children suffer in war torn countries, they suffer sexual abuse, bullying problems, etc.. The problem is with a child's support system during the suffering. It's the same with adults: we're cast aside because many suicidal adults are seen as just "sad," and they "need to get over it," or go outside, do yoga, eat clean or whateever when it's simply not the case. If a child is suicidal and suffering, and their parents either don't take them seriously or the suicidal tendencies is seen as a personal affront to their parenting skills (AKA "why are you sad? I give you everything you could ever want or need and you're still sad?"), they lost the one chance of them fully recovering....and that's implying that the child even externalizes their own mental illness or suicidal thoughts and internal struggles.

I hope this made sense because like I said before, I simply can't describe it as accurately as I want to.

 

[Cashewmilk]

Ehh....Not necessarily true. Suffering is universal, regardless of age. Children suffer in war torn countries, they suffer sexual abuse, bullying problems, etc.. The problem is with a child's support system during the suffering. It's the same with adults: we're cast aside because many suicidal adults are seen as just "sad," and they "need to get over it," or go outside, do yoga, eat clean or whateever when it's simply not the case. If a child is suicidal and suffering, and their parents either don't take them seriously or the suicidal tendencies is seen as a personal affront to their parenting skills (AKA "why are you sad? I give you everything you could ever want or need and you're still sad?"), they lost the one chance of them fully recovering....and that's implying that the child even externalizes their own mental illness or suicidal thoughts and internal struggles.

I hope this made sense because like I said before, I simply can't describe it as accurately as I want to.

I love what you said I completely agree with the points.

 

[falloutcarter13]

Lucky them. It just amazes me how most suicides by kids was hanging. However I've read of so many unsuccessful attempts on here, even practice runs. Hanging for me has always looked complicated, especially doing the correct knots etc, how are they managing it

Just like @Good_Person_Effed said, all we hear about through reports are the failures. Obviously we never hear from people who are successful about their experience. It kind of fools the mind and we develop a strange belief about the efficacy of any method, and tends to make us think that the success ratio is lots lower than it probably really is. Hearing about children and teens CTB is always hard for me, even though I knew I wanted to go when I was 12 or 13 on. The desire rose and fell for me through the years, but never totally went away. I feel that a person who is feeling suicidal should exhaust their other options (i.e. changes in bad situations, talking to people about their impulse, etc) but you're right, it *does* seem like more kids are acting on their urge.

 

[regular john]

That poor 13 year old girl who hung herself from a tree live online.... She was saying things like "I'm sorry I'm not good enough" over and over while she got ready to do it. Someone was bullying her unmercifully. She had mentioned thinking about it the day before she did it. It seems to always be due to being buit sllied.

it suprised me how well prepaired she was for everything she did.

 

[Spiral]

I've read alot of articles recently about kids (ages 12-17) ctb. The majority of these are by hanging and seem fairly impulsive and unplanned (from what I've read). How are they managing this so easily with little to no planning when there's us on here planning for weeks, even months to ctb? yet still sometimes failing. Are we over thinking it?

Kids don't have debts or dependants or bills to pay to keep a roof over somebody else's head ect ect. no responsibilities mean you only have to consider your own feelings before you go. Also, 12 -17 is a very difficult time for most people, without proper mental health care at that age they will definitely suffer suicidal thought or actions.