resolutory
Experienced
- Sep 13, 2022
- 260
poisonousspit
Fairy
- Apr 11, 2023
- 17
suicide prevention is such a fucking joke. i seriously cannot stand people who think this is for the best. taking SN away isn't going to solve anything or make the rates of suicide lower, it's just going to cause people to use more extreme methods. fuck pro-lifers.
pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,626
A British news corporation has seemed to have done an investigation into the SN provider who I know is used frequently and details have been passed around to be used for a while now.
The investigation is titled 'Revealed: the chef selling poison to suicidal youngsters'.
Here is the pasted out article without pictures.
Revealed: the chef selling poison to suicidal youngsters
A Canadian chef has been supplying suicidal young people in Britain with a lethal poison to enable them to kill themselves, a Times investigation has found. Kenwww.thetimes.co.uk
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A Canadian chef has been supplying suicidal young people in Britain with a lethal poison to enable them to kill themselves, a Times investigation has found.
Kenneth Law has been sending the substance to vulnerable people around the world from a post office near Toronto for two years.
Up to seven deaths, including four in the UK, are linked to the poison, which we are not naming, that he sold on a website disguised to fool the authorities about its true purpose.
Law told an undercover reporter posing as a suicidal buyer how to take the substance to best ensure death and boasted that some people had told him that he was doing "God's work".
He also claimed he had sent the product to "hundreds" of people in the UK.
The substance, which has caused at least 70 deaths in the UK and Europe, is legal to sell — and does have other uses — and coroners have raised concerns about its availability repeatedly.
Assisting suicide is illegal in the UK and Canada and is punishable by up to 14 years in prison in both countries.
David Parfett, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, whose 22-year-old son Tom took his own life after buying the chemical from Law's company, said: "I think he's the man that effectively handed a loaded gun to my son. I believe my son would still be alive if it wasn't for this man and this substance."
Another customer was Anthony Jones, 17, an American who took it and then ran to his mother shouting: "I want to live", but who died shortly afterwards.
Law continued to sell the poison despite being contacted by coroners and the police in the UK and told that the substance is being used for suicide.
The Canadian authorities are now investigating Law after The Times told them about his website, which was taken offline following an approach to the technology companies hosting it.
When confronted by an undercover reporter in a shopping centre on the outskirts of Toronto where he was delivering an armful of packages, Law said "I'm not assisting anything, I'm selling a product."
But Parfett's father said: "I think he's playing God. He is knowingly supplying a substance for people to take their own life and gaining some kind of perverse pleasure from the knowledge that they are doing it."
In the UK Parfett, as well as Michael Dunham, 38, Neha Raju, 23, and a 21-year-old student who we are not naming, have all died in the past 18 months after buying from Law's company.
Their connections to him were pieced together through interviews, inquest records and police reports. There are also up to three deaths linked to Law in the US, including that of Jones.
The Canadian authorities are now investigating Law, after an undercover reporter emailed Law he arranged a time for a "consultation" and to talk about the substance.
He asked us to call his mobile phone and was "looking forward" to speaking to us. Just over a minute into the call he began describing how to take his poison in order to die.
During the 28-minute phone call, Law said Britons were some of his most "frequent buyers", adding: "It will be literally in the hundreds. And they've all received it. We have had many, many customers in the UK who have purchased it."
He also said that "many, many, many, many" had died. "People in the UK have died, people in the US have died, people in Canada have died, and other parts of the world," he said.
Speaking to our undercover reporter, Law said he came up with his business after seeing his mother "suffer greatly" after a stroke. He said: "My father is religious and he didn't believe very much in euthanasia at all.
"She was bedridden, couldn't speak and they had to feed her through a tube to her stomach for over seven years. And that was very painful. Not only for her family, but also very painful for me to witness.
"This is why I created some avenue of escape, so that people, if they are in such a circumstance, can undertake it either by themselves or by somebody else."
His claims about his mother could not be verified and one relative said that his parents had been estranged from him for more than a decade, adding: "I really want nothing to do with him."
Law, a former aerospace engineer, has a many qualifications according to his online CV and in 2004 spent six months in Coventry working on the Boeing 7E7 programme team for Dunlop Standard Aerospace.
•The victims' families: 'He sent hundreds of packages — many people may have died'
But despite his qualifications and experience he was most recently employed as a cook in a Toronto hotel.
Sources said he had worked there since 2016, after wanting a "lifestyle change". The hotel said only that he was not an employee.
During our undercover phone call, Law said he wore a "couple of hats" and was a professional chef, a professional engineer and an executive of a technology firm. He said that the poisoning business was a "side space for me because I feel strongly".
He said: "People might not consider what I do as being very favourable or in fact even criminal. But I think it is helpful for a small, very narrow group of people who really need an avenue like this, because simply the laws of our society don't permit it.
"We're not advanced enough as a civilisation to accept death openly. I hope I'm just being a little bit more enlightened."
Law said the issue of legality was a grey area. "As long as I don't say that the intent is to commit suicide, then it's fine." He added that up to 95 per cent of his buyers had some "serious, underlying issue . . . usually health or old-age related".
But the oldest person we found who had died after taking his product was 38, the youngest was 17 and three were in their 20s.
Customers pay a little extra for plain packaging without his company's name or logo.
Gary Cooper, 41, from Kendal, Cumbria, died last year after ingesting a substance posted in Canada. Neither the police nor his family know who sent the package.
Law said that any communication "that we've exchanged" should be "destroyed" prior to death, adding: "You can always trace back the equipment and I can always deny it. In the UK, it's even easier for me . . . sending international. The UK government has no jurisdiction to the Canadian government."
With a slight laugh, he said: "They're not going to bring me over to the UK for this. It's too small."
He said that the substance came in a "very discreet package", an envelope "no more than a quarter of an inch thick", giving "no notice" to the authorities and fitting through "almost all mailboxes".
He urged our reporter to buy the poison. Law said: "Should the day come for whatever reason — that could be a war in Europe or whatever it might be — at least you would have something readily available."
He said that customers gave him good feedback: "They often say that I do God's work, which is really way too much. I'm much more humble and modest than that."
His website advertised a repeat customer offer and a third-party website offering a 10 per cent discount code for his site.
Law also ran two other websites which appeared to openly sell suicide products. One featured testimonials from those who have bought his products, and one customer saying it was probably the last money they were ever going to spend.
Another testimonial called Law an alternative to Philip Nitschke, a former Australian doctor and founder of pro-euthanasia group Exit International.
On the same website, Law posted an email from the estate of someone who took their own life using one of his products, as proof of how lethal it was.
However, when we confronted Law in Mississauga, the city on Lake Ontario where he lives, to ask him about his business, his tone was starkly different.
He was dressed in light-brown chinos, a dark hooded jacket and a blue and red baseball cap when we approached him outside the post office which serves as the PO Box address for his website.
Law had taken several brown and white packages into the post office after pulling up in a rusty silver car. Clutching two lottery tickets and a bottle, Law said simply that he was "selling a product" when asked if he was assisting suicide.
He said: "People do do this, but it's not my business — it's their life. They are committing suicide themselves. I'm not doing anything. I'm just selling a product. I'm not assisting. It's your choice. I'm not forcing you to buy anything. Perhaps you may want to stop people buying knives and guns."
Law, who was initially friendly, invited us to sit in his car for a chat, but soured as we pushed him harder on why he was providing poison to suicidal people.
He had told Surrey police that he would stop selling the poison, but said: "I haven't run out of my batch. What's the problem with that? I have inventory to sell."
He ended the conversation abruptly and told us to get out of his car. "You're in the UK, you have no jurisdiction here. Goodbye."
It is up to police forces to investigate criminal poison sellers. But no UK police forces have charged Law with any offences. The police did not respond to questions about whether they had reported him to the Canadian authorities or connected him to other suicides.
In the wake of Raju's death last year, Law told Surrey police that he would stop selling the substance "once his stock was depleted", but has carried on selling it. Surrey police said that, at the time, he was "not known" to be doing anything illegal.
The substance is reportable under the Poisons Act in the UK, meaning retailers must alert the authorities if they suspect it is being bought to cause harm to the buyer or others. However, the rules do not apply to firms outside the UK.
The Home Office receives information on poison suicides from the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC), which is notified of all such deaths. The information is used to spot emerging trends and for the Home Office to contact sellers to remind them of their duty to report suspicious sales. But the name of the poison seller is not routinely passed on by police to the NPCC, because a force may not know where the poison has come from.
Families of those who have died said there needed to be greater oversight on the poison sellers, making it easier to identify those repeatedly involved in suicide cases. Parfett said: "How can something like this go unnoticed for so long?"
As a result of our investigation all three of Law's websites were taken down by GoDaddy, the domain owner, and Shopify, the host.
A spokesman for the police in Ontario confirmed it had begun an investigation into him.
Law did not respond to further requests to comment.
In February Timothy Brennand, the senior coroner for Greater Manchester West, said he would write to the home secretary, Suella Braverman, calling for a "root and branch review" of the poison's availability and regulation.
Brennand had presided over the final in a cluster of inquests connected to the poison. The inquests were told that 57 people had died after a business in the south of England, not connected to Law, had sent the poison across the UK and Europe.
No criminal charges were brought against the business, because the owners were found to believe that they were selling it to people for legitimate reasons.
A government spokesman said: "We are working hard to reduce the number of suicides and will publish a new national suicide prevention strategy later this year.
"We are also investing £2.3 billion extra a year into mental health services, which will help an additional two million people to access NHS-funded mental health support by 2024." - LOL
Seems like they have been sniffing around him for a while.
Also. (media doesn't want people to know about said substance, but at the end of the article promotes a podcast about poison) "Poison": a new 3-part podcast series begins on on Wednesday 26th April on Stories of our times.
The Twitter page of The Times has also added in their thread, phone calls they recorded with Kenneth while posting a collage of 'young people' that bought the product.
A British news corporation has seemed to have done an investigation into the SN provider... : This is a news agency got IC taken down and now getting The IC owner investigated by Canadian LE.
Remember the NY Times did a hit piece on this website sasu. The NY times is a news agency here in the U.S. imo my theory is that the NY Times article caught the eye of the U.S. LE and that's what got D from "N from D " taken down. notice that a few months after the NY times N from D was gone . I think N from D and N from A were there for a few years before the NY times article.
The news media took down Dr. Kevorkian here in the U.S. a while back.The news media is the main enemy of the right to escape torture and enforce the suicide prohibition state.
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Obliviate
Abandon All Hope
- Aug 13, 2022
- 799
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate this fucking world. But hey that's what's up with that kenneth guy. He seems like a bad ass and I'm glad someone is finally standing up for us.
DesolateWhisper
Member
- Apr 18, 2023
- 15
Read the report in The Daily Mail, they emphasized a 22 yr old CTB'ed and a 17 yr old, it was a hit piece, didn't mention Sodium Nitrite by name
pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,626
Man investigated after admitting supplying poison to suicidal Brits
Four deaths in the UK are linked to the poison that he sold online, including that of Tom Parfett, from Maidenhead in Berkshire, who took his own life aged 22 after buying the substance.
And people say Canada is so good for our cause the right to die .Oh yeah then why is KL being threatened with 14 years in prison there? In canada assisted suicide is punishible for up to 14 years in prison . How can a consentual moral act be illegal ? How is it not moral to let people move away or escape extreme pain or suffering or torture. We are all going to die anyway so why prolong someone's suffering who is suffering or will suffer? It's voluntary moral consentual . So they took down IC and are probably going to put him in prison for selling a product . Now millions of people will have to do brutal painful unreliable scary methods to get out of this hell.what kind of evil is this? It makes me want to ctb even more and faster that I live in such an evil unjust upside down world . Who would want to live in such an evil world where IC and N from D are taken down , where Dr. kevorkian , Kl , D from N from D are put in prison? It's also to make an example to others to never assist others in suicide or even sell products or even give online advice.
For a news organization in the OP to spend this much money time resources to take down the only source in the world that provides an escape from extreme torture shows what an evil world we live in.
The New York Times did an even worse hit peice full of lies against this website . They said we are encouraging suicide and I think they even said of minors and young people of course. The NY times has been for 100 years imo the most influential and respected news source in the U.S. so LE and politicians believe it. So N from D gone a few months after that article and a bill introduced in the U.S. congress to make this website illegal online to make us and online comments = assisted suicide and illegal. I don't know the status of that bill.
To old members - How D came about and became a reliably source?
To my understanding before D there was A, right? So if you come to think about it this forum sort of always had a source of N. Just wondering that in order to await for another source to pop in...
sanctioned-suicide.net
Where in the whole world is even one out the million of news organizations that actually campaigns for the right to die or for the pro-choice choice philosophy in regards to suicide ? I never saw one. Where is the one that even writes about or allows the pro-choice , anti-natalism , pessimism , pro-mortalist, nihilist , efilist philosophy arguments to get through? I've made a rational analysis of life and what a human is for many years. I think adults should have the right to exit this prison hell called life if they want to and not have methods like Nembutal and SN restricted from them . If they want to live or die should be the choice of the individual. imo a human is just a small aging animal that will die anyway and pain and suffering exists that humans don't even know exist is so bad it makes everything else meaningless. There's nothing wrong with non-existence because one can't have any problems boredom , pain suffering diseases none of the 1000's of horrible things I hate about life. But if i write anything like this in any comment to one of those papers It will be censored and I might be investigated or profiled by the Google police now or in the future with their google ai. This is the only place I can write that life is bad and not be censored, definitely not in any news org website comments.
I think in the near future Google and their Ai will make suicide impossible . There are ai's that can even read minds now by looking at and being trained on Brain Mri's . What's going to be possible in 5 years? 2 years?
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ThisIsLife
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- Feb 3, 2023
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unnormal9
SOLDIER T.
- Apr 12, 2023
- 1,139
Precisely. They just don't, won't and could never understand. I'm tired of the pain.
They believe and/or expect everyone to be the exactly same as the next, but that's not the case, OK?
ThisIsLife
Specialist
- Feb 3, 2023
- 371
They just don't want you to escape from modern slavery and taxes. As simple as that.
unnormal9
SOLDIER T.
- Apr 12, 2023
- 1,139
DesolateWhisper
Member
- Apr 18, 2023
- 15
has anybody seen there is a new article today about KL?
www.thetimes.co.uk
looks like they are trying to stop it altogether! I'm in UK! It's all fucked now
Chef offered to sell ‘suicide poison’ to victim’s relative via PayPal
A Canadian chef continued to offer a deadly poison for sale in England using the payment firm PayPal, despite a police investigation into his link to suicides, The Times can reveal.Kenneth Law’s website was taken down after the paper exposed how he had been selling the substance for almost two years
www.thetimes.co.uk
looks like they are trying to stop it altogether! I'm in UK! It's all fucked now
ThisIsLife
Specialist
- Feb 3, 2023
- 371
They won't stop anyone from CTBing. If people can't get SN they just will throw themselves under trains, hang themselves, jump from buildings, slash their wrists, overdose...
I don't understand what they're trying to do but it will definitely backfire at some point.
resolutory
Experienced
- Sep 13, 2022
- 260
Well now I'm concerned. Better hide my SN better or it might get seized by the police under the misunderstanding that I might want to kill myself with it.
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OceanBlue
Feminist
- Jun 13, 2021
- 701
I wonder if we can help in some way.. maybe we could send Ontario cops our opinions that he was indeed doing God's work (as God has been MIA for eternity), that the Right to Die is an universal human right and he was saving people from brutalizing themselves.
Quite a character this KL.
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P.S. Shame on the UK Devils, f*cking modern inquisition.
Pidgeons_Sparrows
-flying rat
- Apr 16, 2023
- 627
"As a result of our investigation all three of Law's websites were taken down by GoDaddy, the domain owner, and Shopify, the host."
great pro lifers thank you so fucking much for taking away yet another possibility for a somewhat dignified exit
i swear to god if they want to keep me alive so bad then im going to want them dead so bad
pro lifers should be happy that im only trying to kill myself instead of killing them because they really are fucking pushing it at this point with this bullshit
suicide intervention with no consent? bitch how about some living intervention on your end without consent? god i am so fucking angry
great pro lifers thank you so fucking much for taking away yet another possibility for a somewhat dignified exit
i swear to god if they want to keep me alive so bad then im going to want them dead so bad
pro lifers should be happy that im only trying to kill myself instead of killing them because they really are fucking pushing it at this point with this bullshit
suicide intervention with no consent? bitch how about some living intervention on your end without consent? god i am so fucking angry
OceanBlue
Feminist
- Jun 13, 2021
- 701
I'm anti-suffering, but these people should experience the worst, if they have no empathy for others' pain and not enough sense to grasp bodily autonomy.
I know the journos are going to read this thread, how about you write an article on this instead? The right to die is currently denied to us, so we are FORCED to choose illegal and brutal methods. KL provided the most peaceful deathline that you eliminated.
None of you have a right to make us live against our will, which includes working, being ill, risking accidents, ageing. Will your little fascist print care at all if something bad happens to me after you blocked my only peaceful way out? You won't give af, so if you're not helping - at least do nothing, instead of stomping on human rights for a shitty wage.
ThisIsLife
Specialist
- Feb 3, 2023
- 371
The only thing that'll help him is a good lawyer and i don't think the police gives any f---k tbh. The ones i'm truely disappointed about are the journalists so called samaritans that made all of this happen just to get more clicks and views. They don't care about people, they only care about money. They didn't choose to do that to stop people from killing themselves, they know very well it won't. They're nothing more but greedy hypocrits.
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OceanBlue
Feminist
- Jun 13, 2021
- 701
We're clearly not threatening enough. I'm sure there are plenty of users here who can doxx their asses and then they will never live in peace.
We're too nice, right? The perfect target - vulnerable people just looking to exit this world. Maybe we should add 'take at least one pro-lifer with you' to the rules.
Maybe KL could open a fundraiser then.. we need to back our sources.
ThisIsLife
Specialist
- Feb 3, 2023
- 371
Remember when Canada seized the truckers crowdfunding money and froze donators bank accounts ?
resolutory
Experienced
- Sep 13, 2022
- 260
The ironic thing is when abortion was banned again in certain states of America, it was the newspapers that started posting 'homemade abortion methods'. It's ironic that they're unable to see how this is a similar situation... arguably.
OceanBlue
Feminist
- Jun 13, 2021
- 701
No, I'm not Canadian. It seems it was a gofundme set up to support protests against mandates.
There are other ways, like bitcoin and not sure they'd have a right to block a fundraiser for legal fees, even for an alleged criminal.
Let us know, KL.
Pidgeons_Sparrows
-flying rat
- Apr 16, 2023
- 627
eh honestly im just very angry and pissedWe're clearly not threatening enough. I'm sure there are plenty of users here who can doxx their asses and then they will never live in peace.
We're too nice, right? The perfect target - vulnerable people just looking to exit this world. Maybe we should add 'take at least one pro-lifer with you' to the rules.
Maybe KL could open a fundraiser then.. we need to back our sources.
i dont think we should kill them, but pro lifers definetly deserve some rotten eggs being thrown at their home walls at 3am
OceanBlue
Feminist
- Jun 13, 2021
- 701
Pidgeons_Sparrows
-flying rat
- Apr 16, 2023
- 627
OceanBlue
Feminist
- Jun 13, 2021
- 701
Pidgeons_Sparrows
-flying rat
- Apr 16, 2023
- 627
ayb
"I'd feel trapped if I couldn't CTB at any time."
- Feb 15, 2019
- 280
momdontcryplease
Member
- Apr 15, 2023
- 62
well at least they'll never be able to ban rope
it's looking like a partial for me now... or stabbing
it's looking like a partial for me now... or stabbing
If I ever do CTB I might have to write a disclaimer that I took this decision myself and take full responsibility for it. Although I'll be sure to blame the pro-lifers if I have to resort to hanging and they can get sent the bill for my 24 hour care if I fail.
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