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Backwood_tilt

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Dec 27, 2019
891
This site has changed my life for the better, for the short period i have left on this planet. I love this place, and i love this community - mods and the users. However, everyone has their grievances and I figure this is something that might resonate with other users.

One of my frustrations sometimes with the forum layout is how often the "Suicide Discussion" subforum is kind of a catch-all for both emotional support AND actual planning for CTB. I am just shooting the shit here, but what if:

1. Suicide Discussion gets a subforum called "Methods". This would be a method specific discussion subforum. Everyone has access to methods from the start of their account but
2. only users who have been on the site for 1 week or longer get to post in Methods. The presumption being that they would have had enough time to READ enough of Methods subforum to answer many of the commonly asked questions.
3. Methods has the stickied resource threads still, juts like the Suicide Discussion forum does now. Maybe all the other threads within (night-night, hanging, etc.) are also stickied for easier access.

The intended results:

1. As above, there won't be redundant comments that clog up the megathreads, or redundant new threads that are repeated ad nauseum
2. Methods-specific discussions will be more focused, hopefully will generate more high quality content since people will be able to pay attention more easily to what is in there.
3. Everyone still gets access to reading everything, but we get to more selectively curate what goes in the methods discussion.
4. Searches that are for method specific info will now be contained in a method specific domain. This leads to higher quality results.

Some obvious pitfalls i can identify are that

1. People can just point to the methods discussion and say "see, these people are encouraging suicide by teaching folks how to do it and get the materials and etc." My counter to this is that the suicide discussion would become much more of a venting and emotional support type of discussion, and you could easily point to that instead. People here obviously have good intentions and it shows up every time someone comes on and starts talking about the problems they are facing in their life.

2. People might just post their method questions in "suicide discussion". Or they might accidentally start doing it in comment sections of threads in suicide discussion while they're juts talking about the subject matter at hand. For the former, i would say just report those threads and delete them, and explain the reasoning. For the latter, i think its no worse of a situation than the redundant questions we have in method megathreads or in the suicide discussion subforum generally. I think people who are method focused will ultimately find it more useful to have that part of SS more curated than it currently is.

Im sure there are more problems but my post is long enough and i can't think of anything else at the moment. Hopefully we get some lively discussion about this, because ofc i think this idea is kind of interesting.
 
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Wren

BIRDS AREN'T REAL
Jan 7, 2020
54
Wholeheartedly agree with the Methods sub! I was surprised by how mixed and mismatched the forum was when I joined.

Also, having a dedicated megathread like a wiki for every method would be great. But someone would have to gather the information and write it down and update it constantly. Maybe a thread for general info and feedback to serve as a repository where people could add their research and knowledge?
 
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Quarky00

Enlightened
Dec 17, 2019
1,956
Love the ideas .

Though there's something natural when everything's mixed; bit strange to say 'you can talk about suicidal thoughts here but not the methods'. Newcomers will still ask about methods in suicide-only forum (members as well btw), that's dozens a day. Not making a judgment here or there, just observations, this is ingenious and sounds really promising.
 
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UpandDownPrincess

Elementalist
Dec 31, 2019
829
I must admit, when I first got here I didn't click on any mega-threads since I wasn't sure what that meant. I also didn't recognize terms like SN and nite-nite.

When I kind of stumbled on my first good=bye thread, I was emotionally struck by the emotions that I found there.

I'd have no problems with some changes that make things easier to find and I also think that perhaps new users should be kept to support boards for maybe the first day or two as kind of a "cooling off" period, although that sounds very pro-life now that I've typed it.
 
AlreadyGone

AlreadyGone

Taking it day by day
Jan 11, 2020
917
I am in agreement with the idea of a methods sub. It will be a lot easier for people who visit the forum for the sole purpose of researching and inquiring about specific methods. A dedicated sub will work wonders for that.
 
Shero

Shero

Experienced
Dec 19, 2019
274
Im scared that i would put the forum at risk.
It would fall into the trap of pro-lifers, and possibly even get the confirmation of already written news of the media that it is indeed pro-suicide which isn't the case.
There must be a reason why the subforum is not simply called "Suicide" like "Recovery". Because otherwise it would be caught up in the critics' riot.

In short: "Suicide Discussion" sounds more pro-choice and another subforum with "Methods" would put it at risk.

EDIT: I think it's better to research yourself instead of clapping the homepage an obvious biased up. It's way less noticeable with a sticky thread.
 
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WhyamIstillhere

WhyamIstillhere

Member
Jan 27, 2020
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Im scared that i would put the forum at risk.
It would fall into the trap of pro-lifers, and possibly even get the confirmation of already written news of the media that it is indeed pro-suicide which isn't the case.
There must be a reason why the subforum is not simply called "Suicide" like "Recovery". Because otherwise it would be caught up in the critics' riot.

In short: "Suicide Discussion" sounds more pro-choice and another subforum with "Methods" would put it at risk.

EDIT: I think it's better to research yourself instead of clapping the homepage an obvious biased up. It's way less noticeable with a sticky thread.

How often is this site targeted that this is a genuine concern?
 
Shero

Shero

Experienced
Dec 19, 2019
274
How often is this site targeted that this is a genuine concern?
I don't know, i hope not that often. It's just my selfish concern, because I really need this forum, and I think if you really need methods, it's better to do research and not act impulsively. If you don't have the time to research, than suicide may be the wrong option. Not to be a dick, but you may do more harm than good.
If the above does not worry the forum providers, I would agree with everything @Backwood_tilt said. It would improve and simultaneously diminish low effort threads.
 
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JSauter

Experienced
Oct 14, 2019
207
Another point of concern: It's extremely draining to be exposed to the countless threads pleading for emotional support when you, yourself, are in dire need of objective information and are trawling the site for that alone. I don't want to sound cold or heartless, but I, along with many on here are not in a place to offer support or exhaust myself scouring through threads of pleading, emotionally vulnerable people. I have an insurmountable physical ailment, and am in an impossible life position - I do not have the mental wherewithal to navigate my way through those webs. A subforum of 'methods' only would be extremely helpful for many of us.
 
Shero

Shero

Experienced
Dec 19, 2019
274
It would prevent this:

HAY ITS MUH FIRST DAY HERE DIDNT READ NOTHIN BUT HOW MUCH ADVIL WILL KILL ME FOR SURE SHOULD I ADD BENADRYL SO I FALL ASLEEP FIRST
It shouldn't be there in the first place. To quote a Forum rule:

"Don't
  • Spam, post low effort content, or request PMs.
    • Don't spam or make low effort replies. Don't make threads to just ask for basic information; use the search feature, your question has almost certainly already been answered many times in the past. Spam also includes sending mass PMs, unsolicited PMs, and making posts asking for people to PM you."
 
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NextBusLeaving

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Jun 24, 2019
334
It shouldn't be there in the first place. To quote a Forum rule:

"Don't
  • Spam, post low effort content, or request PMs.
    • Don't spam or make low effort replies. Don't make threads to just ask for basic information; use the search feature, your question has almost certainly already been answered many times in the past. Spam also includes sending mass PMs, unsolicited PMs, and making posts asking for people to PM you."
I guess youre right, but when almost every thread i see does those things, what can you do?
 
Shero

Shero

Experienced
Dec 19, 2019
274
It's difficult even for the mods i guess. There is way to much spam going on, and they have there own life as well. We need to acknowledge that they do it on their free time.
So if the subforum would be possible without angering media outlet and endangering the forum, that would be awesome.
I may be hyperbolic, so i would like someone's knowledgable input in this.
 
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Backwood_tilt

UnEnlightened
Dec 27, 2019
891
It would fall into the trap of pro-lifers, and possibly even get the confirmation of already written news of the media that it is indeed pro-suicide which isn't the case.
There must be a reason why the subforum is not simply called "Suicide" like "Recovery". Because otherwise it would be caught up in the critics' riot.

I addressed that partially in my initial post, but i think the concern is overblown. The primary goal should be to make this place more effective, searchable, sortable, and usable for all of its members - whether they are people who end up CTBing or who find the support they need to keep going and get off this site.

1. People can just point to the methods discussion and say "see, these people are encouraging suicide by teaching folks how to do it and get the materials and etc." My counter to this is that the suicide discussion would become much more of a venting and emotional support type of discussion, and you could easily point to that instead. People here obviously have good intentions and it shows up every time someone comes on and starts talking about the problems they are facing in their life.
 
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Backwood_tilt

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Dec 27, 2019
891
Some people are terminal and cant wait a full week to look for methods

My initial suggestion does not exclude people from accessing methods for a week, it prevents them from posting in methods for a week.

1. Suicide Discussion gets a subforum called "Methods". This would be a method specific discussion subforum. Everyone has access to methods from the start of their account but
2. only users who have been on the site for 1 week or longer get to post in Methods.
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Another point of concern: It's extremely draining to be exposed to the countless threads pleading for emotional support when you, yourself, are in dire need of objective information and are trawling the site for that alone.

Quoting this because i think it is a very good point. Any time i look at SD i have to figure out which threads i have the emotional capacity to respond to and which ones i don't. If they all had a mandatory "venting" tag i would probably just ignore them all.

And all this just ends up making me post less because of all the work it takes to filter out those threads.
 
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Carina

Angelic
Dec 22, 2019
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As I mentioned elsewhere...
It could also be easier if there was just like a "thread" that was just a single post that was a cleaned up/combined post (so if the original poster broke into multiple posts, it'd be combined into one), that a mod would post--and then lock, and pin to the top.

If any corrections needed made, a mod could make if if it was legit, and maybe just put (edit: *date* by *user*) so people know that it was a change.

It'd still be the original content, just be moved into a single locked and pined post.
 
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Backwood_tilt

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Dec 27, 2019
891
Hi, I am no longer going to comment in these feedback threads, but i hope the discussion generated has been helpful and productive. Hopefully mods can chime in at some point with their views, if this is something they think is worth pursuing.
 
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Ireland

Member
Feb 27, 2020
18
Another point of concern: It's extremely draining to be exposed to the countless threads pleading for emotional support when you, yourself, are in dire need of objective information and are trawling the site for that alone. I don't want to sound cold or heartless, but I, along with many on here are not in a place to offer support or exhaust myself scouring through threads of pleading, emotionally vulnerable people. I have an insurmountable physical ailment, and am in an impossible life position - I do not have the mental wherewithal to navigate my way through those webs. A subforum of 'methods' only would be extremely helpful for many of us.
I think I am in a very similar situation to you and totally agree with you.
 
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