Venting Sorry to have to say this but the suicide discussion has massively declined in quality

[FuneralCry]

People just post anything in suicide discussion now, the suicide discussion should be renamed random discussion section. It's sad how the only place we can discuss suicide is now filled with people wanting to be encouraged into self harm, random threads about anything and people just using it as a life advice forum. Like I literally stay away from the recovery section but the suicide discussion is like that now with people pushing their advice, every second reply is something like "get help". I didn't want to have to post about this but sadly it's the reality, this place was better years ago, and had better quality posts but anyway oh well, I'm just venting, nobody has to read this. I blame all the media attention for bringing people here, I wish those people had just stayed on reddit or whatever. Honestly every day this is less and less of a suicide discussion, so many of the posts are just insufferable to me now, I only want to read about suicide and death related topics as of course non-existence is all I wish for.

 

[ForgottenAgain]

Yeah, you've mentioned it already, no need to repeat.

 

[limeoctave]

Ah shit, here we go again..

 

[bookgirl]

I'm just venting

 

[Darkover]

To be honest, I don't understand this post and I don't quite get what you are expecting from this site. This site is mainly used by suicidal people to vent and ask method questions, it's a place for those who are tired of pro-life attitudes towards suicide to express their honest feelings without the fear of ending up in a psych ward and this website serves it's purpose.

If you have an issue with the site then it's a personal decision deciding whether to come on here, I'm sorry that the people venting isn't "quality" enough for you, this site isn't exactly intended to be entertainment but rather an outlet for suicidal people to vent and also an information resource for many.

 

[jonward55]

People just post anything in suicide discussion now, the suicide discussion should be renamed random discussion section. It's sad how the only place we can discuss suicide is now filled with people wanting to be encouraged into self harm, random threads about anything and people just using it as a life advice forum. Like I literally stay away from the recovery section but the suicide discussion is like that now with people pushing their advice, every second reply is something like "get help". I didn't want to have to post about this but sadly it's the reality, this place was better years ago, and had better quality posts but anyway oh well, I'm just venting, nobody has to read this. I blame all the media attention for bringing people here, I wish those people had just stayed on reddit or whatever. Honestly every day this is less and less of a suicide discussion, so many of the posts are just insufferable to me now, I only want to read about suicide and death related topics as of course non-existence is all I wish for.

But you have just posted irrelevant stuff in the wrong section yet again and over 30,000 times
Why not use the general section instead of contributing to irrelevant content.

 

[Dark Moon]

I made a venting post yesterday and you did respond to it, I'm guessing you're ok with that?

 

[bipbapbop]

As a new member, i see these posts quite often and really wonder what you consider a high quality post. Do you mind sharing your thoughts on what you wish the forum would look more like?

 

[Saturn_]

Sometimes it isn't all about you.

 

[oofuf]

Hello FuneralCry.
You've been on this website for longer than most, and I can tell that this website has been your safe place.
Many come to this website, some ctb, some leave, and some stick around. You have seen it the endless stream of hopeless souls coming here seeking help by asking the same questions over and over.
My point is, the resources don't change but the people who use them do. and as time passes more and more unique individuals are going to come by and use this website their way.
I understand that you wish for things to be like how they once where, but this world is forever changing and nothing can stay the same.
In conclusion I want to say that this website hasn't changed, people have, and it was a matter of time. I personally believe that there is still quality to be found in here, but I can see the change you find undesirable.
-Best wishes

 

[AshersGirl]

People come here for advice and to vent.

I'm legitimately asking, not because I want to be inflammatory or argue, but I actually am interested in understanding different perspectives.

1. When people post about methods that are very unlikely to work, highly likely to cause them significant physical pain and possibly lifelong health issues rather than death, we should just say "well, there's a 0.00001% you could possibly die so try it, good luck, I hope you're the 0.00001%"?

2. When people appear in a heightened state of distress, new members, clearly outlining a scenario where something very recently happened that traumatised them, we should just say "good luck with catching that bus"?

This is how I often interpret some of the polarised opinions here and I am fully aware I could be totally wrong, but you can't read tone over a screen and with only vague insinuations to problems, instead of actual explanations, nothing will change. We just repeat the same back and forth.

I have no idea what all these posts are where every second reply someone's pushing unwanted advice or telling people not to die.

I see posts where people advise when methods are ill thought out, likely to cause significant harm but not successful ctb, suggesting research into more reliable methods. They don't say "don't ctb", they say "I'm concerned you're going to end up in an even worse situation, please rethink your plan". This is not pro-life, it's empathy and concern.

I see posts where people suggest taking time to process their thoughts and feelings if the poster is indicating they're impulse reacting to recent events rather than thinking it through.
Most of these posts are caveated with things like "but I absolutely respect that it's your choice", because it is. But if successful, it's also someone's FINAL choice, and a few days to calm down and process does, for a lot of people, change their mind. This is also not pro-life, it's empathy and concern.

There's got to be a balance. We are not the "pro-death, incite the masses to ctb" brigade the media likes to portray us all as. We are also not anyones gatekeepers, and the ultimate decision is theirs. Majority of members just want to help someone make an informed decision.

Though for everyone whose mind is made up I absolutely wish them peace, and freedom from suffering. I wish that for those who choose the path of recovery too.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I didn't want to have to post about this

You sure?

 

[soonatpeace777888]

That sounds dreadful what you are going through. Anyway, I hope you find the peace you are searching for.

 

[quiet.rabbit]

I get what you mean. There's also more people who skim through posts and give empty replies. This site used to be full of genuine people but now it's starting to become like major social media sites full of scripted responses like "you're valid" and "it can always get better!!1!" It's lonely.

 

[Lifeaffirmingchoice]

Yes existence is just meaningless and unnecessary. I wish so much I couldn't exist and never existed because only nonexistence is perfection. It is so dreary and repetitive and I wish that there were a way to just leave peacefully. It's inhumane to not allow people to suicide themselves, we must all at least be able to die and not have to be put through any more of this.

 

[xinino]

I can indulge people in the most disgusting and horrible way about "suicide and death related topics" but I think I will be banned for it.

 

[anhedonya]

I'm trying to word this as best as I can without sounding rude so please read this in a neutral tone. I've seen you around, I think you've even interacted with some of my posts, and I've seen yours around as well. I mean this as seriously as possible: you yourself have not CTB'd yet, so isn't the fact that YOU are in a suicide discussion forum also off-topic by your own logic? CTB is not easy and, though I understand YOU feel comfortable talking about it all the time, it's not what everyone else wants to discuss 24/7. And there are a lot of factors behind the idea of suicide that people want to talk about, like how they got there in the first place. There's also a giant amount of people who do want to live but their life circumstances are so bad that they feel they have no other choice. If you yourself are alive and on topic by posting the same, rephrased thoughts on this forum over and over, then why is everyone else suddenly making this forum lose quality? Do you know how boring it would be if I just logged in here every day and said "I'm going to drown myself soon" over and over? I may as well just copy and paste into my notes app for that...

I get why you're frustrated and I know that you want to find people who are more alike to your particular way of discussion, and that's fine! There's nothing wrong with that. But it's a bit odd to get annoyed with people just because they don't talk about CTB every second of the day, condemn all life as awful and monstrous, and kill themselves within 5 minutes of saying they want to.

Again no disrespect. I've seen you around and you're chill. But you need to find like... any other topic to define yourself by sometimes. You are not just death and emptiness.. like seriously, you're not. You're a multifaceted person who probably has a reason for getting here just like the rest of us.

 

[sserafim]

I can indulge people in the most disgusting and horrible way about "suicide and death related topics" but I think I will be banned for it.

You can indulge me in it

 

[Circles]

So what's the solution? No seriously after reading your posts constantly about this site and others following and saying the same hogwash like seriously what's the solution instead of constantly complaining about it?

 

[melancholymallory03]

People just post anything in suicide discussion now, the suicide discussion should be renamed random discussion section. It's sad how the only place we can discuss suicide is now filled with people wanting to be encouraged into self harm, random threads about anything and people just using it as a life advice forum. Like I literally stay away from the recovery section but the suicide discussion is like that now with people pushing their advice, every second reply is something like "get help". I didn't want to have to post about this but sadly it's the reality, this place was better years ago, and had better quality posts but anyway oh well, I'm just venting, nobody has to read this. I blame all the media attention for bringing people here, I wish those people had just stayed on reddit or whatever. Honestly every day this is less and less of a suicide discussion, so many of the posts are just insufferable to me now, I only want to read about suicide and death related topics as of course non-existence is all I wish for.

I like u , but I think you're seeing things a bit black and white right now and thinking selfishly , as we can all be guilty of sometimes. I'm extremely extremely sorry you have gotten to this point in your life where all you know is suffering , and complete obliteration by darkness. You have the right to vent here just like everyone else , what that may look like will be different for everyone depending on where they are at , or if they are in crisis.

I can see you're upset at the lack of topic categorization, and that's completely understandable, things truly can can get messed up sometimes because we're all just fucked up people looking for our own peace on here. I think our freedom of speech on here is apparent in many ways and not everyone is always going to be able to remain on one exact train of thought leading to death , these would be pretty useless conversations and how could we even learn anything?

I like seeing you're posts , I find them to be quite relatable most of the time and you seem to be one of the Og Members on here , but please respect everyone's right to choose what they want to share on here regarding there state of suicidality, we all express ourselves differently and that's fine. you can't change what you can't control.

I don't think a day goes by where this place isn't a suicide discussion ….so I really think you are contradicting yourself saying it's insufferable because you're belief system is that non existence is the only way and life is completely insufferable already. It's kind of splitting hairs to call anything more insufferable than the stuff you yourself post , on an already suicide related
Website. By your own logic this just dosent make sense but I'm sorry you are feeling like this. I hope you find some threads you feel more connected with soon.

please try to consider others feelings as they consider yours and have a peaceful night…

 

[returntothevoid]

To be honest, I don't understand this post and I don't quite get what you are expecting from this site. This site is mainly used by suicidal people to vent and ask method questions, it's a place for those who are tired of pro-life attitudes towards suicide to express their honest feelings without the fear of ending up in a psych ward and this website serves it's purpose.

If you have an issue with the site then it's a personal decision deciding whether to come on here, I'm sorry that the people venting isn't "quality" enough for you, this site isn't exactly intended to be entertainment but rather an outlet for suicidal people to vent and also an information resource for many.

She wants trauma porn lol

 

[returntothevoid]

From what I gather from you, reading your many comments and posts on this site, you seem to be something of a narcissist.

 

[thealteredmind]

yeah well, some of us think existence isn't the problem.

 

[AkaRed]

I do get what you're saying honestly and half agree— but I think suicide is a very complex topic, as is mental health in general.

<3

 

[yeh it's all gucci]

People just post anything in suicide discussion now, the suicide discussion should be renamed random discussion section. It's sad how the only place we can discuss suicide is now filled with people wanting to be encouraged into self harm, random threads about anything and people just using it as a life advice forum.

Well.. It seems to be an unpopular opinion but I tend to agree with you. People will post anything to get reactions. The same as any social media.
I enjoy reading the methods mostly, but there's just so much drivel outside of that.

 

[RW__Asher23]

People come here for advice and to vent.

I'm legitimately asking, not because I want to be inflammatory or argue, but I actually am interested in understanding different perspectives.

1. When people post about methods that are very unlikely to work, highly likely to cause them significant physical pain and possibly lifelong health issues rather than death, we should just say "well, there's a 0.00001% you could possibly die so try it, good luck, I hope you're the 0.00001%"?

2. When people appear in a heightened state of distress, new members, clearly outlining a scenario where something very recently happened that traumatised them, we should just say "good luck with catching that bus"?

This is how I often interpret some of the polarised opinions here and I am fully aware I could be totally wrong, but you can't read tone over a screen and with only vague insinuations to problems, instead of actual explanations, nothing will change. We just repeat the same back and forth.

I have no idea what all these posts are where every second reply someone's pushing unwanted advice or telling people not to die.

I see posts where people advise when methods are ill thought out, likely to cause significant harm but not successful ctb, suggesting research into more reliable methods. They don't say "don't ctb", they say "I'm concerned you're going to end up in an even worse situation, please rethink your plan". This is not pro-life, it's empathy and concern.

I see posts where people suggest taking time to process their thoughts and feelings if the poster is indicating they're impulse reacting to recent events rather than thinking it through.
Most of these posts are caveated with things like "but I absolutely respect that it's your choice", because it is. But if successful, it's also someone's FINAL choice, and a few days to calm down and process does, for a lot of people, change their mind. This is also not pro-life, it's empathy and concern.

There's got to be a balance. We are not the "pro-death, incite the masses to ctb" brigade the media likes to portray us all as. We are also not anyones gatekeepers, and the ultimate decision is theirs. Majority of members just want to help someone make an informed decision.

Though for everyone whose mind is made up I absolutely wish them peace, and freedom from suffering. I wish that for those who choose the path of recovery too.

Hi I like your post, I am not going to comment I am just curious about your name. Are you one of us old ASHERS? The Real Original ASH people from alt.suicide.holiday? Just asking because of my own name here which I chose because there could be other old ASH people here. I met a few already. Now for your reply I love it. Wish you Peace in whatever you do.

 

[J&L383]

 

[bipolar22]

use this time and energy and make your own SS.site. Positive talk prohibited. Only suicide related topics and Goodbye threaths allowed. Anyone who smiled just once in their life cant become a member. Problem solve.

 

[AnxietyHangover]

 

[bipolar22]

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As long as they let it go on. just harmful to everyone at this point . Funeral is unhappy Here. getting fun made off on top. Most people are fed up. Loose loose situation. But noone wants to pull the plug. Non of my business. I just read these threads when bored tbh.