Is SN PAINFUL

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Ok, I am sure someone else has done the legwork already but here goes...

Example 1:
did not follow Stan's guide, did not take antiemetics, did not take propranolol to manage rapid heart beat.

Asked if he followed Stan's guide he wrote: "Well honestly, no. I'd say that even if I had anti nausea meds it wouldn't take away the heartbeat problem. That was my biggest issue. I thought about following the method but I felt like I could handle the nausea & I did, but the heartbeat thing was what did it for me."

Lesson: Follow Stan's Guide

Example 2:
Took Buccastem (not bad, but not as effective as Meto) and admitted later that he has an EXTREMELY sensitive stomach AND that he vomitted likely most of the solution out after drinking and did not have a backup glass "... I will say this though I have an extremely sensitive stomach and started throwing up within 5 mins of taking it so I don't know how much stayed in my body..."

Lesson: Follow Stan's Guide

Example 3:
These experience reports from others who watched/listened people die from SN describe to a large part the "death rattle" and simply what happens when you are dying. Most of this heavy breathing and gasping happens when you are already unconscious (or within 5 minutes before blacking out).

Don't get me wrong. Dying is NEVER pretty and it can be quite traumatic for someone who has never seen a person die to watch this. Many of these reports also say that the person seemed already unconscious (yes, you can vomit while unconscious).

The feeling of "I can't breathe" is also not necessarily proof that they truly couldn't breathe, but that their blood oxygenation had dropped to under 80%. That's when your brain starts to sound the alarm and makes you take deeper breaths, speeds up your heart in order to transport enough oxygen to your cells.

It actually only feels like "you can't breathe" for a few minutes. Less than 5 in fact (I received an IV drug at the ER that I was allergic to. Felt like I couldnt breathe, started to take deeper breaths, got disoriented and blacked out within 5 minutes. All I felt was dizziness and the need to open a window or go outside (which of course I couldn't).
All this was not painful at all. It was just a weird sensation and I was out before I even realized what was happening.

Example 4:
Says he took 30g but survived. He did not clarify the purity of the product or the source. I highly suspect that he used curing salt (Which contains only 4-6% SN). So out of those 30g only 1.5-2g were actually SN. The rest was table salt.

While 2g SN can kill a person (especially if small/frail), it also explains why he felt so sick and miserable, why his breathing was difficult (his oxygen levels apparently dropped far enough to give him all the symptoms) but he recovered.

Lesson: Follow Stan's Guide and make sure you buy the correct product



Follow up.

I think it is important to give people ALL of the information.
Glorification of SN is unfair to those who are considering it.
Same goes for only pointing out what could go wrong.

People should have access to every part, positive or negative, if they want to make an informed decision.

That also requires them to understand what SN does, how it affects your body, your breathing, your blood oxygenation etc etc.

I think if anyone wants to be taken seriously, they should provide objective information. That includes pros and cons. It includes success stories, but also stories of people who failed (and WHY they likely failed).

I agree I'm lomd of dumb so forgive me, but it seems to be fear mongering coming from FreeLifeExit and it seems to have been since day one.

Not to mention he continues to speak of brain damage and then say things like "these people may not be able to log back in and tell us" without having any evidence whatsoever that this has happened to anyone.

I just have to learn to ignore him. Thanks for taking the time to write this commentm

Reading this really got me questioning this method now. Thoughts, anyone?
Post in thread 'Sources and scam megathread'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sources-and-scam-megathread.94434/post-1728298

No it does not make me scared whatsoever. I've spoken to way too many people who have survived sodium nitrite and I've read very threads literally hundreds of them. There have been a few people who have mentioned unpleasant symptoms but that's to be expected obviously we're ingesting a poison. The PPH the most updated one I believe has a list of around 30 people who are observed during the experience. All except one said that it was peaceful besides vomiting. I just don't care what happens anymore and I really don't know why I keep paying attention to these threads. No one is going to turn me away from taking my life nor are they going to turn me away from drinking sodium nitrite. No amount of what ifs. No amount of "they may be brain dead and not able to return to us to tell us) <-- without any evidence by the way. No amount of anything is going to change my mind. At this point it is the safest and most reliable method that I have access to. It's either this or go hang myself somewhere in the woods, or let a train run my neck over.

 

[Mofreeko]

You just have to look at what SN does. It causes cyanosis. Symptoms are....

Cyanosis literally just means a bluish-purple hue to the skin. That is it. The rest of the symptoms you mention are symptoms of HYPOXIA and are EXPECTED. Now when the generic website you copied all this from lists "difficulty breathing" do they mean you breathe a little harder or that you literally feel like you're suffocating? I want you to find me an actual account from someone who survived SN and said they had a hard time breathing.

 

[freelifexit]

I want you to find me an actual account from someone who survived SN and said they had a hard time breathing.

Post in thread 'It seems that SN is not peaceful'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/it-seems-that-sn-is-not-peaceful.73804/post-1383070

"So I went to bed thinking I would fall asleep and ctb but instead I went through 4 hours of hell like suffocating. I didn't throw up at all a bit nauseous was all. I took 1000 mg naproxen before but at the end I got the worst headache of my life."

 

[regal20]

Post in thread 'It seems that SN is not peaceful'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/it-seems-that-sn-is-not-peaceful.73804/post-1383070

"So I went to bed thinking I would fall asleep and ctb but instead I went through 4 hours of hell like suffocating. I didn't throw up at all a bit nauseous was all. I took 1000 mg naproxen before but at the end I got the worst headache of my life."

He claims to have eaten 30 grams of pure SN, not vomited and survived? This is impossible. If someone writes that he shot himself in the head with a shotgun and only acquired a bruise, will you consider that as evidence too?

 

[freelifexit]

He claims to have eaten 30 grams of pure SN, not vomited and survived? This is impossible. If someone writes that he shot himself in the head with a shotgun and only acquired a bruise, will you consider that as evidence too?

This is not the first time people survived SN without vomiting or vomited 3-5 hours later after SN and survived, 3-5 hours is a lot of time for SN because usually it takes 1-4 hours to kill you.

You can find several such cases in this document (dartz, Johnrio, Suicidal4Ever)

SS – Non-Fatal Sodium Nitrite (SN / NaNO2) Attempts: Member Methods & Experiences

Non-Fatal Sodium Nitrite (SN / NaNO2) Attempts: Member Methods & ExperiencesLast Updated: 2020.02.17 Mobile-Friendly Website Version THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE FOR IMPROVEMENT SO LONG AS YOU ARE ALIVE. PLEASE, INSTEAD OF SUICIDE, GIVE RECOVERY A CHANCE! YOU CAN REACH OUT TO THE NUMBERS BELOW: ...

docs.google.com

 

[Sad_Sack]

Headache, nausea, fast heart rate, bad taste, sore throat, difficulty catching breath

It's not that they feel they can't breath, just that they get short of breath like you've been working out I think

Cyanosis literally just means a bluish-purple hue to the skin. That is it. The rest of the symptoms you mention are symptoms of HYPOXIA and are EXPECTED. Now when the generic website you copied all this from lists "difficulty breathing" do they mean you breathe a little harder or that you literally feel like you're suffocating? I want you to find me an actual account from someone who survived SN and said they had a hard time breathing.

I didn't "mention" those symptoms, I literally copied and pasted them from a medical site , Cleveland Clinic, which is not a generic websits, describing cyanosis. You said that those sympfoms are from hypoxia and are to be expected. Since hypoxia causes shortness of breath and breathing difficulties you just literally just said that trouble breathing is to be expected with SN.

Fatal Sodium Nitrite Poisoning: Key Considerations for Prehospital Providers - PubMed

Sodium nitrite is a powerful oxidizing agent that causes hypotension and limits oxygen transport and delivery in the body through the formation of methemoglobin. Clinical manifestations can include cyanosis, hypoxia, altered consciousness, dysrhythmias, and death. The majority of reports on...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sodium nitrite is a powerful oxidizing agent that causes hypotension and limits oxygen transport and delivery in the body through the formation of methemoglobin. Clinical manifestations can include cyanosis, hypoxia, altered consciousness, dysrhythmias, and death.

 

[Mofreeko]

I didn't "mention" those symptoms, I literally copied and pasted them from a medical site , Cleveland Clinic, which is not a generic websits, describing cyanosis. You said that those sympfoms are from hypoxia and are to be expected. Since hypoxia causes shortness of breath and breathing difficulties you just literally just said that trouble breathing is to be expected with SN.

Fatal Sodium Nitrite Poisoning: Key Considerations for Prehospital Providers - PubMed

Sodium nitrite is a powerful oxidizing agent that causes hypotension and limits oxygen transport and delivery in the body through the formation of methemoglobin. Clinical manifestations can include cyanosis, hypoxia, altered consciousness, dysrhythmias, and death. The majority of reports on...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sodium nitrite is a powerful oxidizing agent that causes hypotension and limits oxygen transport and delivery in the body through the formation of methemoglobin. Clinical manifestations can include cyanosis, hypoxia, altered consciousness, dysrhythmias, and death.

You are so disingenuous. You literally used that german med student's example to say you can still be conscious at low blood oxygen levels just to support your bias of "feeling oxygen starved/suffocation", completely skipping the part where the student himself said he was being given oxygen and other meds to keep him awake, he had only taken 2 grams and also that he didn't report any difficulty breathing or any really negative symptoms at all.

You're literally twisting my words and ignoring my points about how that website says "difficulty breathing/shortness of breath" but doesn't go into any further detail on that. Difficulty breathing/shortness of breath is literally a symptom of having gone on a jog or run. My point is that I have gone through dozens of SN survivor's reports and NONE of them have described difficulty breathing. I think I am going to go with first hand reports over your worst case scenario of a list of possible symptoms from a generic website on the internet.

What you're doing you could literally do with any method. Here, I'll do it with N:

What are side effects of Nembutal?

Common side effects of Nembutal include:

• problems with memory or concentration,
• excitement,
• irritability,
• aggression (especially in children or older adults),
• confusion,
• loss of balance or coordination,
• nightmares,
• nausea,
• vomiting,
• constipation,
• headache,
• drowsiness,
• "hangover" effect
• agitation,
• nervousness,
• insomnia,
• anxiety,
• dizziness,
• low blood pressure,
• injection site reactions, or
• skin rash.

Seek medical attention immediately if you suffer from any serious side effects of Nembutal such as:

• hallucinations,
• weak or shallow breathing,
• slow heart rate,
• weak pulse, or
• feeling like you might pass out.

Wow, what a scary list of symptoms. Nembutal must be an AWFUL way to go. Never mind that I didn't list the dosage, timeframe or ANY personal accounts of someone taking the drug. Just be scared and cry people!

 

[Sad_Sack]

Cyanosis literally just means a bluish-purple hue to the skin. That is it. The rest of the symptoms you mention are symptoms of HYPOXIA and are EXPECTED. Now when the generic website you copied all this from lists "difficulty breathing" do they mean you breathe a little harder or that you literally feel like you're suffocating? I want you to find me an actual account from someone who survived SN and said they had a hard time breathing.

You are so disingenuous. You literally used that german med student's example to say you can still be conscious at low blood oxygen levels just to support your bias of "feeling oxygen starved/suffocation", completely skipping the part where the student himself said he was being given oxygen and other meds to keep him awake, he had only taken 2 grams and also that he didn't report any difficulty breathing or any really negative symptoms at all.

You're literally twisting my words and ignoring my points about how that website says "difficulty breathing/shortness of breath" but doesn't go into any further detail on that. Difficulty breathing/shortness of breath is literally a symptom of having gone on a jog or run. My point is that I have gone through dozens of SN survivor's reports and NONE of them have described difficulty breathing. I think I am going to go with first hand reports over your worst case scenario of a list of possible symptoms from a generic website on the internet.

What you're doing you could literally do with any method. Here, I'll do it with N:

What are side effects of Nembutal?

Common side effects of Nembutal include:

• problems with memory or concentration,
• excitement,
• irritability,
• aggression (especially in children or older adults),
• confusion,
• loss of balance or coordination,
• nightmares,
• nausea,
• vomiting,
• constipation,
• headache,
• drowsiness,
• "hangover" effect
• agitation,
• nervousness,
• insomnia,
• anxiety,
• dizziness,
• low blood pressure,
• injection site reactions, or
• skin rash.

Seek medical attention immediately if you suffer from any serious side effects of Nembutal such as:

• hallucinations,
• weak or shallow breathing,
• slow heart rate,
• weak pulse, or
• feeling like you might pass out.

Wow, what a scary list of symptoms. Nembutal must be an AWFUL way to go. Never mind that I didn't list the dosage, timeframe or ANY personal accounts of someone taking the drug. Just be scared and cry people!

You said I completely skipped the part that he was being given oxygen. Lmao. Learn to read, again My last post on page 4 of this thread literally ends with...
"Also the German fellow was on oxygen and artificial breathing"

Hypoxia is a symptom of SN poisoning. This is not from a generic website.

Again, from Moonicides documentation....."00:37 Second puke. And she is breathing very heavy. Almost trying to gasp for air."

Those nembutal symptoms are side effects of taking it at normal dose. It literally says common side effects include....that is not a list of effects at a lethal dose. You do realise N wasn't created as a suicide drug right? It is a barbituate for use as a sedative. Those are simply some side effects of taking it as it would be prescribed....wow. A lethal dose will put you out smooth and soundly.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

He claims to have eaten 30 grams of pure SN, not vomited and survived? This is impossible. If someone writes that he shot himself in the head with a shotgun and only acquired a bruise, will you consider that as evidence too?

Yeah there's no way that was nitrite from a reliable source. He was even asked about the source and didn't answer.

 

[Zegers]

20 minutes of potential bullshit or so many more years of horror

I don't think there is any method that is completely peaceful, probably the closest thing is N but unfortunately its no longer available (unless you are a vet or have access to a vet clinic)

Our friend passed away last week with SN. He suffered terribly and had a terrible death struggle even though he followed the guide. It was cruel to see him suffer until he finally became unconscious. He had suffered enough in his life because of illness. Therefore, it´s even worse that even the death was so painful. He had wanted so much to die without suffering and had trusted that SN was a peaceful method."

Sorry but i don't believe this. SN is not that painful, I have read several testimonials from people describing it and also science says it is not painful, it may be uncomfortable but it is the first thing i have read about it being painful.

 

[freelifexit]

Sorry but i don't believe this.

For some reason, all this reminded me of a joke about a farmer who stubbornly argued that there was no such animal as a giraffe. He was dragged to the zoo and brought to the corral in which the giraffe was walking. The farmer looked and looked, then sighed and said resolutely: "There is no such beast!"

 

[Zegers]

What are you advocating then? put yourself on the tracks of a train? there is no more reliable method than SN (except N)

 

[freelifexit]

What are you advocating then? put yourself on the tracks of a train? there is no more reliable method than SN (except N)

We are sharing information here, people deserve to know about negative cases, to be prepared for different outcomes.

You may have forgotten, but initially in this thread we are discussing the worst case scenarios.

Sersilv1 asked "Please i Need to know how painful It could be at worst and how long would It endure?"

 

[Amnesiaisalloverme]

What cases?

I provided links to real posts. Don't understand why you call it false info. Maybe you just want to hide negative information about SN from people and call it FALSE to mislead people.

In any case, you don't have to be very smart to understand that the cases I mentioned are real