Is SN PAINFUL

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Rather, it is you who is a loser and a liar, because you accuse and insult someone without checking the facts.

You have attached two threads. In the first one, I translated two articles about the aftermath of SN, one user decided to check them and translated only one article, forgot to translate the second article and therefore decided that this was a lie. In the second thread, I wrote that after SN there is a chance of brain damage, but there are no such cases on the forum, because a person with it will not be able to write about it, this is logically true. Moreover now we have articles about brain damage

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-and-braindamage.102225/

Chance of brain damage from all methods. LMAO. Sodium Nitrite just happens to be the one that it LEAST likely occurs with.

I have to put you on ignore you really do get on my nerves. You keep trying to claim that if someone did have brain damage they wouldn't be able to come back on here to tell us without any factual evidence whatsoever. You keep repeating that over and over and over and over again with not one piece of evidence other than two Google articles that you pulled up. One in which the woman was found 6 hours later and ended up dying anyway. If someone ended up with that much brain damage that they wouldn't be able to get on their phone and let us know we would know about it by now. Jesus Christ all you're trying to do is make people afraid that's all it is. There is no other motive behind it. Your method is hanging right? Let's start posting some articles about that.

"Careful you might end up vegetable"

'My son was brain damaged for life when he tried to hang himself'

Jack Barnes was left in a vegetative state for two years after his suicide attempt until he died this year. While he was alive, and since his death, vile trolls have targeted his mother, Helen

www.walesonline.co.uk

Dad of two left paralysed and unable to speak after failed suicide bid

Jai Sharkey tried to hang himself but was discovered by a friend who had called in to check on him

www.mirror.co.uk

Dad of two left paralysed and unable to speak after failed suicide bid

Jai Sharkey tried to hang himself but was discovered by a friend who had called in to check on him

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[October112021]

My understanding is that SN isn't pleasant; it isn't fentanyl or nembutal. But it isn't agonizing either. Stomach discomfort, aches and pains.

 

[freelifexit]

If someone ended up with that much brain damage that they wouldn't be able to get on their phone and let us know we would know about it by now.

You have problems with logic. Not all cases are reported in articles or news. Relatives very rarely come to the forum to talk about the consequences.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

You have problems with logic. Not all cases are reported in articles or news. Relatives very rarely come to the forum to talk about the consequences.

You have problems with logic. Not all cases are reported in articles or news. Relatives very rarely come to the forum to talk about the consequences.

I'm constantly researching for updated information, I'm on many of other social media platforms, plenty of different websites, someone would have mentioned it by now. There was only one case I saw saw. I do not know if the mother found the daughter at the last minute. I do not know how much the daughter took. I do not know exactly how the story goes but there was one girl who did end up brain dead. I think she had to be receptated and they brought her back to life but by the time it was too late. They kept her in the hospital for 2 days so that they could donate her organs. The mother must have found her literally at the last minute. The daughter wasn't suffering anyway and there wouldn't have been any chance of her recovering. I actually shared the post here. I decided to take it down though because I felt like maybe it was disrespectful because the mother actually posted pictures of the daughter in the hospital bed with tubes down her throat.

 

[Sersilv1]

Rather, it is you who is a loser and a liar, because you accuse and insult someone without checking the facts.

You have attached two threads. In the first one, I translated two articles about the aftermath of SN, one user decided to check them and translated only one article, forgot to translate the second article and therefore decided that this was a lie. In the second thread, I wrote that after SN there is a chance of brain damage, but there are no such cases on the forum, because a person with it will not be able to write about it, this is logically true. Moreover now we have articles about brain damage

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-and-braindamage.102225/

They all died Who cares about brain damage?

 

[freelifexit]

They all died Who cares about brain damage?

There is also comment in this thread that mentioned article in which man survived with brain damage.

Post in thread 'SN and braindamage'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-and-braindamage.102225/post-1759241

 

[ge0rge]

brain dead is dead. brain dead doesn't mean vegetable or locked in syndrome

 

[Sersilv1]

There is also comment in this thread that mentioned article in which man survived with brain damage.

Post in thread 'SN and braindamage'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-and-braindamage.102225/post-1759241

Triple dose to make sure i don't survive. That's it

 

[Girl-shaped Wound]

You can control all unpleasant side effects by medication. Paracetamol/ibuprofen for pain, propranolol for increased heart rate, benzocaine lozenges for bad taste, benzodiazepines for panic. Then it becomes very smooth.

Peacefulness is not a given even if you take all those medications.

 

[Sersilv1]

Peacefulness is not a given even if you take all those medications.

How do you know? Explain Better please

 

[GrumpyFrog]

How do you know? Explain Better please

I am not trying to speak on someone else's behalf, but I am just going to add my 2 cents.
Basically, all we know is that none of us knows 100% how it is going to work out and how it is going to feel. And it is not only because situations vary and some information might be untrue, but also largely due to the fact the "peacefulness" is a subjective thing. I can say that it is peaceful because it's peaceful enough for me. Doesn't mean the same experience isn't going to seem awful to you. And vice versa - someone can attempt and say it was hell on Earth, and mean things you would write off as "moderate discomfort", considering the context.

Spoiler: If you're interested, here are the symptoms that are probable with an explanation why

1) Nausea will be almost a given, even if you take anti-emetics, there is extensive evidence about it and it makes sense because SN is a poison and nausea and vomiting is what our body does to save itself from poison
2) It is likely that you will find it hard to breathe, because the mechanism is based around depriving your brain of oxygen, and the brain will make you breath heavily to get oxygen
3) For the same reason (brain trying to get oxygen), your heart will beat faster and harder. This could be uncomfortable and somewhat painful (no conclusive information as to whether it will definitely hurt or definitely not hurt). Some people get really scared of the tachycardia and panic. Propanolol helps with the heartbeat, and benzos can help with panic.
4) Your stomach can hurt because of the chemical reaction inside of it, that can cause heartburn. Heartburn medication is okay to take and can reasonably help. It is hard to determine the intensity of pain because the matter is subjective, but there is no reason to believe it is the kind of agony you will get by drinking drain cleaner or something similar (unless you have a stomach ulcer. You would know if you have a stomach ulcer). Some people didn't report on stomach pain, which might be due to it being too mild for them to pay attention, or because they generally have low stomach acidity normally.
5) You might have a headache, because SN will damage your brain. Every method that is going to kill you will damage your brain because you need to kill the brain to be dead. Brain damage only means that you're a vegetable or mentally handicapped in the most unfortunate cases. Sometimes your brain can be damaged and you don't feel any different than you normally do.
6) There will be cyanosis i.e. your skin will turn blue. We're not sure how bad it is going to look. But compared to many other methods - not that bad.
7) There is no 100% guarantee that you will not experience something not listed here, as well as no 100% guarantee you will experience all of the above. People get the weirdest side effects from the well-researched medication, so we cannot absolutely promise you nothing else will happen. But it is not very probable that there will be some other completely random symptom no one ever mentioned.

There is no conclusive evidence that suggests that it is a "perfect" method where you're just instantly knocked out after drinking the glass without feeling a thing and 100% never wake up. I don't think there is any method that works like that. N is close, but currently unavailable, as far as I know. There is a chance that it works out almost perfectly with you feeling nauseous for a bit, quickly losing consciousness and never waking up, but so far we do not have conclusive information on how to reach this with 100% probability (but we do have some sound advice on how to make some symptoms better).

 

[Sersilv1]

I am not trying to speak on someone else's behalf, but I am just going to add my 2 cents.
Basically, all we know is that none of us knows 100% how it is going to work out and how it is going to feel. And it is not only because situations vary and some information might be untrue, but also largely due to the fact the "peacefulness" is a subjective thing. I can say that it is peaceful because it's peaceful enough for me. Doesn't mean the same experience isn't going to seem awful to you. And vice versa - someone can attempt and say it was hell on Earth, and mean things you would write off as "moderate discomfort", considering the context.

Spoiler: If you're interested, here are the symptoms that are probable with an explanation why

1) Nausea will be almost a given, even if you take anti-emetics, there is extensive evidence about it and it makes sense because SN is a poison and nausea and vomiting is what our body does to save itself from poison
2) It is likely that you will find it hard to breathe, because the mechanism is based around depriving your brain of oxygen, and the brain will make you breath heavily to get oxygen
3) For the same reason (brain trying to get oxygen), your heart will beat faster and harder. This could be uncomfortable and somewhat painful (no conclusive information as to whether it will definitely hurt or definitely not hurt). Some people get really scared of the tachycardia and panic. Propanolol helps with the heartbeat, and benzos can help with panic.
4) Your stomach can hurt because of the chemical reaction inside of it, that can cause heartburn. Heartburn medication is okay to take and can reasonably help. It is hard to determine the intensity of pain because the matter is subjective, but there is no reason to believe it is the kind of agony you will get by drinking drain cleaner or something similar (unless you have a stomach ulcer. You would know if you have a stomach ulcer). Some people didn't report on stomach pain, which might be due to it being too mild for them to pay attention, or because they generally have low stomach acidity normally.
5) You might have a headache, because SN will damage your brain. Every method that is going to kill you will damage your brain because you need to kill the brain to be dead. Brain damage only means that you're a vegetable or mentally handicapped in the most unfortunate cases. Sometimes your brain can be damaged and you don't feel any different than you normally do.
6) There will be cyanosis i.e. your skin will turn blue. We're not sure how bad it is going to look. But compared to many other methods - not that bad.
7) There is no 100% guarantee that you will not experience something not listed here, as well as no 100% guarantee you will experience all of the above. People get the weirdest side effects from the well-researched medication, so we cannot absolutely promise you nothing else will happen. But it is not very probable that there will be some other completely random symptom no one ever mentioned.

There is no conclusive evidence that suggests that it is a "perfect" method where you're just instantly knocked out after drinking the glass without feeling a thing and 100% never wake up. I don't think there is any method that works like that. N is close, but currently unavailable, as far as I know. There is a chance that it works out almost perfectly with you feeling nauseous for a bit, quickly losing consciousness and never waking up, but so far we do not have conclusive information on how to reach this with 100% probability (but we do have some sound advice on how to make some symptoms better).

Oh okay i agree on everything, its not 100% peaceful of course, but i personally think i could handle this kind of pain.
I Always get stomach burns, have tachicardia h24, have headeaches h24 ...i think with a full bottle of lexotan i Will be calm enough and i Hope i go unconscious because of It as fast as possible

 

[GrumpyFrog]

Oh okay i agree on everything, its not 100% peaceful of course, but i personally think i could handle this kind of pain.
I Always get stomach burns, have tachicardia h24, have headeaches h24 ...

I'm sorry that you're suffering now, but I guess it's a good thing that you're not that scared of pain. I get it, I think chronically ill people that get used to feeling unwell to some extent often imagine something way more sinister when they hear "this is very painful" or "they are really suffering" compared to what otherwise physically healthy people would imagine, and maybe even compared to what is really described.
I hope whatever happens to you, you hurt as little as possible.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Triple dose to make sure i don't survive. That's it

What that user forgot to mention to you is that this type of injury rarely ever happens to anyone and that people typically recover from this type of injury in a year or two's time.

 

[Euthanza]

Life is much more painful, for sure.
SN is proven for being sufficiently peaceful.

 

[Sad_Sack]

Obviously, I didn't experience it myself. But the taste seems to be terrible, your throat may hurt, your stomach will try to throw up. You will have to struggle for about ten minutes. In case of victory, you make it for eternity.

Also as your oxygen levels decrease your heart will start beating super fast and hard to compensate. You will feel air starved which is no fun at all. You will feel yourself shutting down which is also not fun.

 

[Mofreeko]

Also as your oxygen levels decrease your heart will start beating super fast and hard to compensate. You will feel air starved which is no fun at all. You will feel yourself shutting down which is also not fun.

I've gone through every self report of the SN survivors listed here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OKnH260kpVBA9_o3_hpvmLW5sdhemQ-d8GC9GwTP2i8/edit
and not one of them said they felt air "starved". The most common complaint was fast heartbeat. Do you have any cases you can show where someone reported feeling air starved or that they couldn't breathe?

 

[Insomniac]

Please i Need to know how painful It could be at worst and how long would It endure?

Also, what would happen if i double the dosage?

We don't have enough data but 85% of the ones we do have seem to indicate that it's not painful. Others experience really bad nausea and feel very (extremely?) uncomfortable.

 

[Sad_Sack]

I've gone through every self report of the SN survivors listed here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OKnH260kpVBA9_o3_hpvmLW5sdhemQ-d8GC9GwTP2i8/edit
and not one of them said they felt air "starved". The most common complaint was fast heartbeat. Do you have any cases you can show where someone reported feeling air starved or that they couldn't breathe?

So for one all you need to know is that SN lowers your oxygen levels through causing methaemoglobinaemia. Oxygen levels will drop way below normal and this causes hypoxia. The real question would be fond me a person with oxygen levels in the 60's like SN will cause who didn't feel air starved.

 

[DreamEnd]

So for one all you need to know is that SN lowers your oxygen levels through causing methaemoglobinaemia. Oxygen levels will drop way below normal and this causes hypoxia. The real question would be fond me a person with oxygen levels in the 60's like SN will cause who didn't feel air starved.

But at that point wouldn't you be completely unconscious?

 

[Sad_Sack]

But at that point wouldn't you be completely unconscious?

No. Like 2 days ago I read a post by a medical student in Germany on this site about his experience with SN. He even took pics if his oxygen levels in the hospital as they dropped and now blue he became. He didn't take a huge amount though but your oxygen will drop over the course of the 30 to 40 minutes you will be awake and the whole experience will be uncomfortable as hell. Curing myself alive like a ham is not the way I would personally choose. I feel people are looking for another N and are just throwing it all in on something that is nowhere near as fast and painless as N. That's just my opinion. Everyone can obviously do as they choose. I'm just absolutely not a fan of SN.

 

[DreamEnd]

No. Like 2 days ago I read a post by a medical student in Germany on this site about his experience with SN. He even took pics if his oxygen levels in the hospital as they dropped and now blue he became. He didn't take a huge amount though but your oxygen will drop over the course of the 30 to 40 minutes you will be awake and the whole experience will be uncomfortable as hell. Curing myself alive like a ham is not the way I would personally choose. I feel people are looking for another N and are just throwing it all in on something that is nowhere near as fast and painless as N. That's just my opinion. Everyone can obviously do as they choose. I'm just absolutely not a fan of SN.

yeah I read that thread too. He never mentioned anything about feeling uncomfortable though even though his oxygen levels would drop

 

[Mofreeko]

No. Like 2 days ago I read a post by a medical student in Germany on this site about his experience with SN. He even took pics if his oxygen levels in the hospital as they dropped and now blue he became. He didn't take a huge amount though but your oxygen will drop over the course of the 30 to 40 minutes you will be awake and the whole experience will be uncomfortable as hell. Curing myself alive like a ham is not the way I would personally choose. I feel people are looking for another N and are just throwing it all in on something that is nowhere near as fast and painless as N. That's just my opinion. Everyone can obviously do as they choose. I'm just absolutely not a fan of SN.

Ok, a few things. He only took 2 grams, way below the 25 grams that is recommended. He voluntarily went to the hospital where they gave him oxygen and other drugs that kept him awake. He also never complained about being uncomfortable, actually he said how it felt peaceful. He explains all this himself! I can't believe you got a negative case experience from that thread. I'm sorry, you either barely read the thread or you're being disingenuous. I encourage people to read the thread themselves: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/testing-sn-how-to-get-to-hospital-fast.74903/

 

[Sad_Sack]

Ok, a few things. He only took 2 grams, way below the 25 grams that is recommended. He voluntarily went to the hospital where they gave him oxygen and other drugs that kept him awake. He also never complained about being uncomfortable, actually he said how it felt peaceful. He explains all this himself! I can't believe you got a negative case experience from that thread. I'm sorry, you either barely read the thread or you're being disingenuous. I encourage people to read the thread themselves: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/testing-sn-how-to-get-to-hospital-fast.74903/

Mmikkee had said wouldn't you be passed out by the time your oxygen dropped that low. I sited this post to answer the question that,no, your oxygen can be that low while you are still conscious. That's neither disingenuous nor me getting a negative case experience from it. I even said he didn't rake a huge amount though. I encourage you to read more carefully.

 

[DreamEnd]

Mmikkee had said wouldn't you be passed out by the time your oxygen dropped that low. I sited this post to answer the question that,no, your oxygen can be that low while you are still conscious. That's neither disingenuous nor me getting a negative case experience from it. I even said he didn't rake a huge amount though. I encourage you to read more carefully.

Yeah you are right but he specifically stated that those sysmptoms are not uncomfortable. He felt at peace while experiencing those symptoms

 

[Willto]

Rather, it is you who is a loser and a liar, because you accuse and insult someone without checking the facts.

You have attached two threads. In the first one, I translated two articles about the aftermath of SN, one user decided to check them and translated only one article, forgot to translate the second article and therefore decided that this was a lie. In the second thread, I wrote that after SN there is a chance of brain damage, but there are no such cases on the forum, because a person with it will not be able to write about it, this is logically true. Moreover now we have articles about brain damage

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-and-braindamage.102225/

Well well, if one chose to go, brain dead is dead isn't it?

 

[Mofreeko]

Mmikkee had said wouldn't you be passed out by the time your oxygen dropped that low. I sited this post to answer the question that,no, your oxygen can be that low while you are still conscious. That's neither disingenuous nor me getting a negative case experience from it. I even said he didn't rake a huge amount though. I encourage you to read more carefully.

He never said those symptoms were uncomfortable and he even stated himself that the treatment he got at the hospital is the reason he was conscious so long. So where is your PROOF people feel oxygen "starved" or feel like they can't breathe?

 

[jodes2]

Can you describe "uncomfortable"? Please

Headache, nausea, fast heart rate, bad taste, sore throat, difficulty catching breath

He never said those symptoms were uncomfortable and he even stated himself that the treatment he got at the hospital is the reason he was conscious so long. So where is your PROOF people feel oxygen "starved" or feel like they can't breathe?

It's not that they feel they can't breath, just that they get short of breath like you've been working out I think

 

[Sad_Sack]

He never said those symptoms were uncomfortable and he even stated himself that the treatment he got at the hospital is the reason he was conscious so long. So where is your PROOF people feel oxygen "starved" or feel like they can't bfeathe?

You just have to look at what SN does. It causes cyanosis. Symptoms are....

• Low body temperature (hypothermia).
• Numbness or tingling in your arms and legs.
• Coughing.
• Wheezing.
• Difficulty breathing.
• Dizziness.
• Extreme tiredness (fatigue).
• Weakness.

Notice difficulty breathing? Not surprising considerinh the whole way SN works is by lowering your OXYGEN levels.


Symptoms of methaemoglobinaemia.....

SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF METHEMOGLOBINEMIA

Oxidation of iron (from the ferrous to the ferric state) in the heme portion of hemoglobin prevents oxygen binding at that site, reducing the oxygen-carrying capacity. Furthermore, oxidation of the iron at one or more of the four heme sites of the hemoglobin molecule increases affinity for oxygen at any remaining "normal" heme sites [9]. As a consequence oxygen release at tissue level is reduced.

The functional anemia that characterizes methemoglobinemia is due to the combined effect of reduced oxygen-carrying capacity and reduced release of oxygen to the tissues.

The extent and severity of symptoms are directly proportional to the percentage of hemoglobin that has been oxidized to (dysfunctional) methemoglobin. Mild methemoglobinemia (2-10 %) is generally well tolerated and, in an otherwise healthy individual, is asymptomatic.

The first sign of tissue hypoxia, evident as methemoglobin rises above 10-15 %, is cyanosis with skin taking on a classically blue/slate gray appearance.

Symptoms of more profound hypoxia, including increased heart rate, headache, dizziness and anxiety, accompany deepening cyanosis as methemoglobin rises above 20 %. Severe methemoglobinemia (>50 %) is associated with increasing breathlessness and fatigue.

Confusion, drowsiness and coma ensue; there may be seizures. Blood gas analysis reveals metabolic (lactic) acidosis consequent on anaerobic cellular metabolism. Methemoglobin >70 % is frequently fatal.

Symptoms for a given percentage of methemoglobin are generally more severe in a patient who has some pre-existing condition (e.g. anemia, respiratory or cardiovascular disease) that compromises oxygenation of tissues.


From moonicides documented ctb...

00:37 Second puke. And she is breathing very heavy. Almost trying to gasp for air.

Also the German fellow was on oxygen and artificial breathing.

 

[regal20]

Notice difficulty breathing? Not surprising considerinh the whole way SN works is by lowering your OXYGEN levels.

Low levels of oxygen in the body do not cause much discomfort (Sometimes it even causes euphoria). The increased level of carbon dioxide is responsible for the feeling of suffocation, which does not occur during the SN method.