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This is good news. Happy for you. With a bit of luck you could even be the first to test the Sarco :) What a last ride.
@fightingsioux thank you for posting. I am also considering Pegasus/os. I was so relieved to hear of it. Like you, I would rather leave this money to my family, but am also longing for a peaceful exit.
I am 42 with long term mental illness, and it does look like Pegasus might consider me. I am contacting them asap to look into it.
My other method will be DIY at home - which will be cheaper. Weird, in some ways I'm less scared of an OD at home than a big trip to Switzerland, but am looking at both options.
In your situation, can you speak to your daughter honestly?
I recommend the Terry Pratchett documentary on assisted dying if you haven't already seen it.
Best wishes - it's a big decision.
I believe you can contact Exit International for support with this though, as maybe they can support you. That is what I read on their site.
My ex said he'd travel with me, which just blows me away. Just need to get my family to accept it first....or just choose to go anyway.
It looks like it's 50, but I'm hoping they'd take me at 42. TBC
I am 42 with long term mental illness, and it does look like Pegasus might consider me. I am contacting them asap to look into it.
My other method will be DIY at home - which will be cheaper. Weird, in some ways I'm less scared of an OD at home than a big trip to Switzerland, but am looking at both options.
In your situation, can you speak to your daughter honestly?
I recommend the Terry Pratchett documentary on assisted dying if you haven't already seen it.
Best wishes - it's a big decision.
After reading every word on the Pegasos website, I still had a few questions so I emailed them yesterday.
I got a prompt and very friendly response from a real personanswering my questions.
One of my questions involved the fact that I would be traveling alone and arriving alone. As it turns out, this is not allowed! You must have someone with you who can act as an "identifying person" after the assisted dying.
This rules out Pegasos for me, so I think I'm back to the Exit Bag & Inert Gas method.
I believe you can contact Exit International for support with this though, as maybe they can support you. That is what I read on their site.
My ex said he'd travel with me, which just blows me away. Just need to get my family to accept it first....or just choose to go anyway.
I got the impression they might accept mentally ill. I am contacting them about this and will report back.
It looks like it's 50, but I'm hoping they'd take me at 42. TBC
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I worry they wont accept me then worry about after and if we would be dealt with as we would be in our own country and im getting too ill to get there how long does it take to be given yeh or ney please what makes you want to go im in the UK where are you in the world im sorry you have to take this drastic route but I do too never been so ill in my life x
That's why I want to go too 2 years 5 months deafening tinnitus its killing me anyway made me so very ill with the anxiety I wish id just die in my sleep I had so much life to still live but cant function or do anything like this its deafening roaring hammering drilling both ears day after day x I hope to god they take me and I can get there so sorry your suffering your must be bad too x
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That really is horrible living with a sound like that. A lady here in holland got euthanasia for that, and after she got it the exam commission of the euthanasia said the euthanasia process was not correctly done so the doctor got prosecuted. So weird that situation
I know Gaby Olthius I watch her video often and envy her the peace I watch it and think im worse than that she didn't seem to have the anxiety and she got her way out I want that for me thought this would stop but worse never could have imagined the hyperacusis is horrific on top of the tinnitus I wa so well healthy happy calm soul with a wonderful life recovered from cancer 40 years ago and a big back operation and much more always coped managed got well this is different beast altogether in your ears this loud day after day I can take a lot and have but this I cant tolerate it cant get away from it its louder than any external noise ive ever heard how can a person live with that I wish I could if it was like it was at the start but now deafening like jet planes taking off with hammering whats hammering me and workmans pneumatic drill its impossible to live with or I so would be cant believe it from who I was how I was so valued life but I cant live with this I don't think anyone could I never knew anxiety could be like this either im so ill I thought there was one pill cyanide pill not like the movies I so want it to stop let me get well im so ill with anxiety I don't think I would ever get well now but the tinnitus is driving me insane and taking my sanity im dammed if I will end up insane dear god I need help I had so much living to do when I think just not this anything but this I would have coped with cant believe it came from nowhere no reason wish someone could stop this for me I never knew its so hard to go either xx
. Aah you know her case.
Its bizar that the exam commission when to court with the case.
Its horrible a aunt of a friend of mine also got euthanasia because of it a old lady.
Its something hard to live with.
I wish you all the best with it.
Are you going to apply in Switzerland?
chris8000
Experienced
- Dec 10, 2019
- 231
That's how I feel, almost anything but this. I have been getting severe pain in many joints and muscles since late 20s, now its got much worse so it is basically unbearable.
I think I have the going bit sorted in my head now, it is just the living until then bit which is difficult.
Hope you find a peaceful way out or path through this somehow
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Yes Dignitas wont take me they have turned me down 3 times I am hopeful Pagosos will but im getting so ill to get there don't know how id get on or tolerate the plane. Yes it is millions have it and live with it my partner has it he never hears it ignores it ive had high pitch hissing for years I never even classed it as tinnitus just thought it was atmospheric singing I lived happily with it couldn't it just have stayed at that id have been ok I had busy wonderful life had so much medically and recovered so well this should be happy carfefree time doing all I planned just want normal happy life this cruel and inhuman I worked hard for 38 years looked after everyone happiest caring for others went to bed perfect 25 July 2017 just a few hours later woke up to this ill never forget it couldn't believe it no warning nothing wrong no noise no ear infection nothing I would have coped with anything at all but this its soul destroying its not a little noise ive 4 noises both ears all deafening how is this even possible its inhuman to suffer like this wish id go to sleep and never wake up tragic if only it would stop I had such hope at first it was just a virus or ear infection dear god help me its like being tortured alive x what brings you here x
Jezus sorry to hear it went wrong.
I wish you the best with pegasus.
I am in euthanasia process in holland for mental health issues. Done with my head dont want a life with a head with trauma related issues.
Thank you pain I can do but this relentless noise in my own ears I cant take its on every nerve I have the anxiety of being stuck like this is crippling ive lost 2 stone most of my hair body bouncing and jerking I cant eat or watch TV cant go out for the hyperacusis tinnitus bad enough but every other sound is deafening and picks up the hammering its horrendous I don't deserve this no one deserves this why no cure if I could just get it down think all the toxic meds just worsened and worsend this I could rip my head off I want me back my life back I hated noise always needed quiet peace calm happy what did I do to get this xThat's how I feel, almost anything but this. I have been getting severe pain in many joints and muscles since late 20s, now its got much worse so it is basically unbearable so I get that.
I think I have the going bit sorted in my head now, it is just the living until then bit which is difficult.
Hope you find a peaceful way out or path through this somehow
IM so sorry to hear that will they take you x
RainAndSadness
Administrator
- Jun 12, 2018
- 2,178
it's a shame they're rejecting so many people. As @HopingForAnEnd's posts suggests, Pegasus is under political pressure to assist young people to continue their lives (this also applies to Exit and Dignitas) but that's why it's important to put forward political legislation to change the laws and make assisted suicide accessible for all people regardless of age and background. They should not even be allowed to reject mentally ill people, as long you're consenting and in a somewhat rational mindset, the same way we don't allow businesses to discriminate based on sexual orientation or race. They should treat everyone equally and help people based on their needs and desires, not exclude people based on age or mental health - in my opinion. If I had the stamina and energy for political mud fights, I would start an initiative to expand assisted suicide laws but sadly, I'm so exhausted that taking a shower already provides a massive challenge for me. So all that's left is hope that other, more competent people, will take matters into their own hands and fight for the right to die. The situation in Switzerland isn't horrible but it surely could get a lot better, especially in regards to inclusion. People that are young or suffer from mental illness alone, simply will have a harder time when it comes to assisted suicide. That's the sad reality as of 2019.
I'm happy for all the people whose request was accepted. That's good news and I'm glad they're at least helping some of us to end their struggle with dignity. I'm sure it's mentally exhausting to travel and organize your exit in another country and it's probably a very difficult process overall but I wish you lots of luck and strength for the upcoming weeks.
I'm happy for all the people whose request was accepted. That's good news and I'm glad they're at least helping some of us to end their struggle with dignity. I'm sure it's mentally exhausting to travel and organize your exit in another country and it's probably a very difficult process overall but I wish you lots of luck and strength for the upcoming weeks.
Thank you I so frightend i cant hold out much longer today just too much to stomach I was so spotless well groomed lovely clothes ive not been bathed showered hair washed in 11 months so weak but cant even stand the sound of water they wouldn't leave an animal to suffer like this is so wish it had never come all was great we had just had lovely holiday in Italy I was well busy happy looked well felt well no worries about anything I don't even know whats caused this came from nowhere how why there must be a reason I just cant get to the bottom of it im exhausted I needed such a lot of sleep laying awake listening to this is horrendous and drives my anxiety to the most terrible frenzy I just want to reach in switch it off its never once stopped or lessend no good days since it started i jujst don't get it not this extreme if only I didn't have hyperacusis id never heard of it let alone got it everything normal sound is deafening and picks up this hammering I am going clean demented im damned if I will end up demented xx Is there anyone out there knows how to stop this yet I know no cure just never thought when it started it could get close to how it is now I feel cheated out of the rest of my life so unfair and cruel I had so very much to still do just want normal happy life ive never felt so desperate lonely and alone in my life I had to go out everyday friends I have a wonderful partner of 39 years we have been everything to each other he has tinnitus and doesn't hear it I have friends with it all manage nit destroying them like this or wanting to die I cant take this rest of my life xx
Have to say that my dealings with Pegasos have worried me quite a lot. I wanted to ask some basic questions, but at one point was told that I'd have to pay the 5K to show I was serious. I think one should be able to ask basic questions on such a major issue, without having to pay to do so
fightingsioux
Specialist
- Oct 22, 2019
- 357
I'm sorry that you have this impression, or perhaps have misunderstood something. Also, every person is unique and every situation different; readers here can't see your your email exchanges.
I had a completely different experience, and others have told me the same in PM's. I exchanged almost 40 emails with them and at least 15 with Exit International, asked and answered numerous questions, freely exchanged information, all over many weeks before both they and I were satisfied that it was time to submit a deposit.
They welcome emails, will always give a prompt and friendly and compassionate answer.
Best of luck to you, wish you well.
How did you qualifying for Pegasos? I don't have any terminal illness, I'm "just" severely depressed and am rather young (31). I sent them an email re this, but guess that due to xmas they can't reply.
From their FAQ, it kinda seemed that it's more easy than Dignitas
From their FAQ, it kinda seemed that it's more easy than Dignitas
Not wanting to jump to conclusions but to say "I'm sorry that you have this impression, or perhaps have misunderstood something!, sounds like you are putting the emphasis on me being wrong. I know what was said, and it was said after 2 emails. I understand that your experience is different as you say, but yours does sound a little like a sales pitch for them. I am happy for you however, if you have found what you are looking for.
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ManWithNoName
Enlightened
- Feb 2, 2019
- 1,224
I saw a video of someone at dignitas who called it quits. They had a family member there to ensure they did the job. I would always be concerned about them not terminating the life of the client, but rather keeping the client alive for scientific experiments or some other shit.
Avicii
Looking
- Sep 4, 2018
- 424
its good to see that they now accept tinnitus patients but i also see that they wont allow you to travel alone which is daft, not many family members would support their family committing suicide, certainly none of my family would entertain it
edit: just found this on their site
For legal reasons, everyone who comes for a VAD at Pegasos must have someone known to them who is able to identify them to the authorities after they have died. If you do not have a family member or friend willing or able to come with you to Pegasos, we suggest you join Exit International at www.exitinternational.net Once you are a member of Exit International you can discuss with them how they may be able to identify you after you are gone; thereby fulfilling the Swiss regulations.
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For legal reasons, everyone who comes for a VAD at Pegasos must have someone known to them who is able to identify them to the authorities after they have died. If you do not have a family member or friend willing or able to come with you to Pegasos, we suggest you join Exit International at www.exitinternational.net Once you are a member of Exit International you can discuss with them how they may be able to identify you after you are gone; thereby fulfilling the Swiss regulations.
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I don't wish to sound negative, because I think we need more places where people can safely terminate their life, but everything does seem to be about ….more money. The Exit route for having someone their is.....more money
I personally would consider it money well spent (if, of course, you have it to spend) Not just the handling of the cbt process itself but also the after care, if I can call it that. That is, how they deal with your corpse. Think of it, there's no nasty surprise for anyone - be it a relative or hotel employee. Everyone knows what's happening, expects it and is prepared for it. Then they cremate you and return your ashes to your country of origin. The whole process is thought through, beginning to end.
So spending the money not only achieves what you want, it also makes it as bearable as possible for others - that's no small thing and, dare I say it, priceless. It's amazing what a bit of openness and transparency can bring. It's just a shame that our respective nations' health services don't see it the same way.
So spending the money not only achieves what you want, it also makes it as bearable as possible for others - that's no small thing and, dare I say it, priceless. It's amazing what a bit of openness and transparency can bring. It's just a shame that our respective nations' health services don't see it the same way.
It sucks about not being able to come alone there, and this seems to be a new policy, because I checked their website maybe a month ago, and it used to say, that yes they do want you to come with someone, but if that was really not possible , then they could arrange for someone to be for a while your ..I can't remember the exact word they used "companion" or "guardian" or something like that, and it was enough to be able to identify you afterwards. I don't know why they changed that.
Perhaps if one is able to come beforehand for a while and meet them, that should work ? I know there is no way I can bring someone of my family there, or even friends.
That said, I contacted them as well a few weeks ago , with the intention of maybe using their services later. I think the reason why their hands are tied a bit is that not all of their decisions are from their side only, they have to submit the case to some form of Swiss authorities which may or may not give their greenlight. That's why they "scan" beforehand the cases that they think have real chances of being Ok'ed. Also, age does play in account. If you're over 50, they will be more inclined to take on your case even if you don't have any real life threatening condition. 50 seems to be a pivot age , as EXit won't even sell you their membership if you're under that. The older you are over 50, the more likely you will be accepted.
I personally like the idea of doing this in a "controlled" environment. I find it less risky and less anxiety-provoking. In some time from now I should be admissible in their criterias, I can pay for it, but the whole "you can't come alone" business worries me...
Perhaps if one is able to come beforehand for a while and meet them, that should work ? I know there is no way I can bring someone of my family there, or even friends.
That said, I contacted them as well a few weeks ago , with the intention of maybe using their services later. I think the reason why their hands are tied a bit is that not all of their decisions are from their side only, they have to submit the case to some form of Swiss authorities which may or may not give their greenlight. That's why they "scan" beforehand the cases that they think have real chances of being Ok'ed. Also, age does play in account. If you're over 50, they will be more inclined to take on your case even if you don't have any real life threatening condition. 50 seems to be a pivot age , as EXit won't even sell you their membership if you're under that. The older you are over 50, the more likely you will be accepted.
I personally like the idea of doing this in a "controlled" environment. I find it less risky and less anxiety-provoking. In some time from now I should be admissible in their criterias, I can pay for it, but the whole "you can't come alone" business worries me...
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fightingsioux
Specialist
- Oct 22, 2019
- 357
You mean for Exit ? Yes, it is indicated on their website, see here : https://exitinternational.net/about-exit/our-philosophy/
"Exit offers membership on an annual or lifetime subscription basis for people over 50 or who are suffering from serious illness." So just being over 50 already qualifies you for membership.
However they do also say "For those under 50 years, membership is granted at the discretion of Exit International."
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Oh , ok. No they didn't confirmed it exactly, but it is what was being infered by me from the short exchange I had with Pegasos concerning my particular situation and age. Exit is more exacting about the age, and they are closely related to Pegasos and collaborate with them. It definitely helps if you are 50 or older.
Not_Quite_Dead_Yet
Student
- Oct 27, 2018
- 134
Ah, but I was under the impression that N from Mexico is no longer a viable option with the one known reliable source out of commission. Have there been new developments on that recently? My druthers would be to avoid any medical facility, either for life or for death. I hate rules!
depending on how much you're prepared to spend, you could arrange for a doula to accompany you. I've considered this when my time comes
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