I'm considering, just considering, Pegasos:

[fightingsioux]

Double wow. I'll leave this to the moderators.

Do that, just don't respond to any of my posts, you're inaccurate and annoying.

I'm confused. At one point they say they don't accept young people with mental illness then at another they say above 18 is fine and another point they say mental illness is potentially okay too.

It's the under 18 part that's important. Whether we agree with it or not, that's their policy.

 

[AnnaJaspers]

The best thing to do with the trolls are report the posts. ;)

I did. Outcome is he did nothing wrong. Sigh.

 

[Jean4]

I did. Outcome is he did nothing wrong. Sigh.

In honor of @Stan .... ignore. ;)

 

[fightingsioux]

I did. Outcome is he did nothing wrong. Sigh.

The other day you private messaged me asking me questions about exit bags, which I politely answered to the best of my ability since I've spent a lot of time researching the subject. You effusively thanked me and said you might ask me more questions in the future, and I said of course, anytime.

Now, because I posted information about a legitimate organization to help with assisted dying and said that I'm looking into this group, you send me a harassing private message?

Is there something wrong with you? Leave me alone, let people read the info and decide for themselves.

 

[Jean4]

The other day you private messaged me asking me questions about exit bags, which I politely answered to the best of my ability since I've spent a lot of time researching the subject. You effusively thanked me and said you might ask me more questions in the future, and I said of course, anytime.

Now, because I posted information about a legitimate organization to help with assisted dying and said that I'm looking into this group, you send me a harassing private message?

Is there something wrong with you? Leave me alone, let people read the info and decide for themselves.

Can I make a suggestion? If the moderators found nothing wrong, then just block. Problem solved, and there is no need for anger or hostility. Today and tomorrow are going to be difficult enough.

 

[AnnaJaspers]

The other day you private messaged me asking me questions about exit bags, which I politely answered to the best of my ability since I've spent a lot of time researching the subject. You effusively thanked me and said you might ask me more questions in the future, and I said of course, anytime.

Now, because I posted information about a legitimate organization to help with assisted dying and said that I'm looking into this group, you send me a harassing private message?

Is there something wrong with you? Leave me alone, let people read the info and decide for themselves.

You gave major misinformation to me in your PM, you publicaly ousted me here LOL, you are

Can I make a suggestion? If the moderators found nothing wrong, then just block. Problem solved, and there is no need for anger or hostility. Today and tomorrow are going to be difficult enough.

There is a LOT wrong but hey tomorrow is another day.

 

[fightingsioux]

Can I make a suggestion? If the moderators found nothing wrong, then just block. Problem solved, and there is no need for anger or hostility. Today and tomorrow are going to be difficult enough.

Once more, leave me alone, you have nothing to add to this thread about Pegasos.

 

[Jean4]

You gave major misinformation to me in your PM, you publicaly ousted me here LOL, you are



There is a LOT wrong but hey tomorrow is another day.

All I care about right now is @Stan. Tomorrow is another day. Be well.

 

[oopswronglife]

My personal opinion which I have always held about Dignitas and now I guess this place, and I mean no offense to those who feel they MUST go this route, is that it's wasteful to spend over 10,000 including flights etc...to do something in a clinic...on someone else's schedule ultimately because it's not like you can easily change your mind without paying a lot more should you not be ready on that date and time...that you can do at home for a few hundred dollars without an office, paperwork, assistants and a weird clinical setting. People make getting N out to be way harder than it is. For decades now people have been ordering it and peacefully CTB with it. The amount of drama posted around it makes it out to be some unicorn and it's really direct and simple. That kind of money could go to good use in the world...donate to a animal shelter, feed some homeless, help someone get a surgery they need etc. I personally wouldn't spend that kind of money even if I could afford to because I would feel wasteful and I would rather donate it or will it to people I cared for..

I understand also in specific cases where someone is so ill they simply cannot do N on their own this has a strong utility. But otherwise I find too many negatives to it and Dignitas and the like. I for one could not be SURE about when so scheduling it like some dental visit just wouldn't work for me. The mood very much matters.

*As a side note some of you sure love your drama and feed it at every opportunity. Just block people and move on instead of pissing petrol on the fire.

 

[fightingsioux]

My personal opinion which I have always held about Dignitas and now I guess this place, and I mean no offense to those who feel they MUST go this route, is that it's wasteful to spend over 10,000 including flights etc...to do something in a clinic...on someone else's schedule ultimately because it's not like you can easily change your mind without paying a lot more should you not be ready on that date and time...that you can do at home for a few hundred dollars without an office, paperwork, assistants and a weird clinical setting. People make getting N out to be way harder than it is. For decades now people have been ordering it and peacefully CTB with it. The amount of drama posted around it makes it out to be some unicorn and it's really direct and simple. That kind of money could go to good use in the world...donate to a animal shelter, feed some homeless, help someone get a surgery they need etc. I personally wouldn't spend that kind of money even if I could afford to because I would feel wasteful and I would rather donate it or will it to people I cared for..

I understand also in specific cases where someone is so ill they simply cannot do N on their own this has a strong utility. But otherwise I find too many negatives to it and Dignitas and the like. I for one could not be SURE about when so scheduling it like some dental visit just wouldn't work for me. The mood very much matters.

*As a side note some of you sure love your drama and feed it at every opportunity. Just block people and move on instead of pissing petrol on the fire.

Spot on, that is exactly why I probably will not go this route: I feel that the money can be used in a better way, even if just helping my daughter further her education.

I just wanted to share the info, get some different reactions. I appreciate yours.

*I honestly don't know what that other stuff was about, took me by surprise, not my intention to disturb anyone. I apologize.

 

[oopswronglife]

I just wanted to share the info, get some different reactions. I appreciate yours

Well and like I said some people may simply HAVE to do it this way where someone else handles everything. They might not have the mental and/or physical strength to DIY. I am not saying anyone who does it is bad or something. I just think it's ultimately easier and more comfortable at home on your terms and the money could do good in the world. I don't think someone should suffer in order to meet some moral imperative of donating etc...but I think if people really consider what these services involve and how it works that it isn't as nice and comforting as it sounds...certainly not moreso than at home or a place of your choosing. There is a lot of logistics re travel, lodging, and meeting other people's demands and bureaucracy etc. I would 100% second guess or change my mind checking in there like it was an office visit after all that stuff. That would take me out of the headspace entirely. Maybe others don't feel that way.

 

[Santiago]

I don't really know why people are attacking the OP because everything he has said so far is correct if you look at their site. Anyone want to enlighten me?

 

[fightingsioux]

I don't really know why people are attacking the OP because everything he has said so far is correct if you look at their site. Anyone want to enlighten me?

Thanks. Honestly took me by surprise, but it's hard if not impossible to reproduce "tone of voice" in written words and sometimes people misunderstand, no big deal.

I think the organization is interesting, fills a need, does not require that the person has an incurable illness. That's important.

And as you said, I simply quoted directly from the Pegasos site as far as age requirements and mental state. I can understand how some folks would strongly disagree with this policy, and that's their right.

 

[fightingsioux]

After reading every word on the Pegasos website, I still had a few questions so I emailed them yesterday.

I got a prompt and very friendly response from a real person answering my questions.

One of my questions involved the fact that I would be traveling alone and arriving alone. As it turns out, this is not allowed! You must have someone with you who can act as an "identifying person" after the assisted dying.

This rules out Pegasos for me, so I think I'm back to the Exit Bag & Inert Gas method.

 

[Libracusp_1022]

Anyone can find information on Pegasos online. @fightingsioux is offering real information. I don't understand why he's being accused of being a troll!?!?

 

[fightingsioux]

Anyone can find information on Pegasos online. @fightingsioux is offering real information. I don't understand why he's being accused of being a troll!?!?

I'm not, and I honestly don't know what all that was about. Perhaps someone was having a bad day, was stressed out, or they simply misunderstood my post. It's no problem, let's move on.

 

[Foresight]

I'd spend 12k to do it in a clinic under clinical supervision. Safe, warm, and guarenteed. I dont fucking care. I've never been a fan of DIY, that carries into my suicide.

So any one from any country has access to this service? Citizenship doesn't matter in this process?

 

[fightingsioux]

I'd spend 12k to do it in a clinic under clinical supervision. Safe, warm, and guarenteed. I dont fucking care. I've never been a fan of DIY, that carries into my suicide.

So any one from any country has access to this service? Citizenship doesn't matter in this process?

Correct.

Look at their website, very well organized, their FAQ answers almost all questions that you may have.

 

[AnnaJaspers]

Correct.

If you are from France they won't take you

I'd spend 12k to do it in a clinic under clinical supervision. Safe, warm, and guarenteed. I dont fucking care. I've never been a fan of DIY, that carries into my suicide.

So any one from any country has access to this service? Citizenship doesn't matter in this process?

YEs, except for France and the Balkans.

 

[Libracusp_1022]

After reading every word on the Pegasos website, I still had a few questions so I emailed them yesterday.

I got a prompt and very friendly response from a real person answering my questions.

One of my questions involved the fact that I would be traveling alone and arriving alone. As it turns out, this is not allowed! You must have someone with you who can act as an "identifying person" after the assisted dying.

This rules out Pegasos for me, so I think I'm back to the Exit Bag & Inert Gas method.

Take a look at their FAQs page... I think there's a way around having an identifying person...?

 

[Foresight]

If you are from France they won't take you

Why is that?

Sorry the option fell through OP. It's my dream suicide.

Hopefully N will still be available early next year. SN is becoming popular and I'm happy to see it as an option but I still prefer N.

 

[c824767]

It's the new Swiss voluntary assisted dying organization, closely associated with Exit International.

Yes, it's expensive, for many--if not most--prohibitively so. I'm lucky, I can afford it. Their service is $10,000; with airfare and other expenses, would be about $12,000. I've copied some info from their website that I thought might interest people here.

What is Pegasos?
Pegaos Swiss Association is a voluntary assisted dying (VAD) organization based in Basel, Switzerland. Pegasos believes that it is the human right of every rational adult of sound mind, regardless of state of health, to choose the manner and timing of their death.
Cost of VAD

Service
TOTAL	10,000
Assessments and administration	3,000
VAD Appointment, incl. Medical Consultation's	4,300
Funeral Services etc.	2,150
Post VAD Administration	550

Do you need to be terminally ill to come to Pegasos?
No, it is not necessary to be terminally ill to be accepted for a VAD at Pegasos.

Does Pegasos accept young, depressed or suicidal people?
Pegasos does not accept young people with depression or other severe mental illness. Rather, Pegasos will refer such applications to counselling services such as those published on the Pegasos website.

Do you accept young people?
At Pegasos we accept applications from adults over the age of 18 years only.

Do you accept people with mental illness?
Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome.

Does Pegasos help 'well' people to die?
Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'. Professor David Goodall was one of these people. He was not sick but his eye sight was failing him, as was his mobility. Old age is rarely kind. The decision to end one's life is an intensely personal one. Pegasos makes every effort to understand fully the unique circumstances of everyone who makes contact with us.

How exactly does a person die at Pegasos?
Pegasos generally uses the intravenous method of Nembutal administration. This involves having a cannula inserted into one's arm and a solution of the lethal drug fed into your body from a 'line' that is controlled by a 'tap'. However, if preferred, a person can also have the option of taking a small drink. In this case, anti-emetic (anti-vomiting) drugs will also need to be taken. Other approaches are also available. These can be discussed with Pegasos once the VAD application is approved.

How long does it take to die?
After the sodium pentobarbital starts flowing intraveneously, the person goes to sleep usually within a few seconds and dies quickly afterwards. If a person takes the Nembutal as a drink, the process is a bit longer.

Can I choose the actual method for my VAD?
Yes, Pegasos is all ears when it comes to a person's individual preferences. The options are an intravenous infusion or a small drink.

How do I control the actual VAD myself?
If you have elected intravenous administration of the Nembutal, you need to be able rotate the small wheel that opens the IV line that will be attached to the cannula in your arm. If you have weakness in your fingers or limited movement in your hands and and arms, then Pegasos has developed an ingenious device that requires a simple bump to start the infusion. This can be operated with one's arm, body or even feet. A slight turn of the head also works and even with your tongue. If you have chosen to drink the drugs, the least you will need to be able to do is swallow. If you do not have movement of your arms, you must be able to suck the liquid through a straw. If you do have movement of your arms then this method should present no problems for you.

If I choose to drink the drugs, is there a risk that I will vomit?
As there is always a risk of vomiting with anything we put in our mouths, to ensure that vomiting does not affect your VAD, Pegasos will provide highly-effective, anti-emetic drugs.

What happens after I die?
After your VAD, Pegasos will call the authorities who will attend our clinic. These officials will be friendly and very sensitive to the fact that you have just lost someone you loved very much. Once the authorities are satisfied that your death was voluntary and was initiated by you, Pegasos will call the funeral home who will come and collect your body. Your ashes will be available five days later. Your ashes can be either mailed home to your family or collected by your designated contact person.

It's 10,000 Swiss francs, each franc worth $1.01.

Exit International has a close relationship with them, if you belong to Exit you don't have to become a Supporter of Pegasos for $100. Also look at the Exit International site, a large ad for Pegassos is on the front page.

So in other words, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, you have no real interest in this subject, you don't wish to add anything helpful or interesting to this thread, and you're only replying because on another thread I told you to stop labeling people and telling them to leave the forum.

Yep.

Of course it is not Euro, sorry I said that. They are smart enough not to have the Euro in Switzerland.

 

[Foresight]

I dunno. Something against French people. THey tend to have higher levels of BO.

Lmao alright goodbye

 

[c824767]

It does seem like a good organization...but expensive and so out of reach for many who could use it. There should be something like it here in the U.S., available to all adults of a sound mind, at a reasonable cost. We're still hung up on the Puritan religious ethic that some non-existent, invisible, mythological entity forbids you from taking your own life!

Can you explain how you have been an activist in the US for physician assisted death ?

 

[AnnaJaspers]

Lmao alright goodbye

Sorry I am just being goofy.

Yes, you can be from any country. If you aren't from Switzerland you NEED to bring someone with you is what I gathered.

 

[c824767]

Take a look at their FAQs page... I think there's a way around having an identifying person...?

I could go with you, apparently no one has as yet been convicted of "assisting suicide" when they accompanied someone to an assisted death facility so I could take my chances. It is an activism thing to do. https://www.theguardian.com/society...a-suicide-is-not-always-a-rules-italian-court.

 

[fightingsioux]

Can you explain how you have been an activist in the US for physician assisted death ?

LOL, that would take a book!

I lived in Berkeley, California, in the late 60's and 70's, have lived in many places since then. Was a painter and poet and anti-war activist. Also involved in many, many endeavors trying to improve our whole society--to make it gentler, more inclusive, less sexist and racist, just a better place--and the right of an adult to die is one of those endeavors.

Have written, spoken, taught, painted and sculpted this philosophy for over 50 years.

 

[Done at Fifty]

I could maybe get half the required amount in loans/credit cards. I'd have to save the rest. I love the intervenous method and being in a professional safe environment. This gives me something to save up for and look forward to. Thank you for sharing!

 

[fightingsioux]

Take a look at their FAQs page... I think there's a way around having an identifying person...?

This is a very complicated issue that I'm currently negotiating and will not comment on. The police cannot identify you. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to this issue, but source material is always up to you.

Abraham Lincoln said, "Those who claim to know something about everything usually know nothing about anything."

I could maybe get half the required amount in loans/credit cards. I'd have to save the rest. I love the intervenous method and being in a professional safe environment. This gives me something to save up for and look forward to. Thank you for sharing!

Feel free to PM me about this. Many have, we can have an accurate exchange of info, no problem.

I could go with you, apparently no one has as yet been convicted of "assisting suicide" when they accompanied someone to an assisted death facility so I could take my chances. It is an activism thing to do. https://www.theguardian.com/society...a-suicide-is-not-always-a-rules-italian-court.

Quite kind of you but that won't be necessary. Very nice thought!

I could maybe get half the required amount in loans/credit cards. I'd have to save the rest. I love the intervenous method and being in a professional safe environment. This gives me something to save up for and look forward to. Thank you for sharing!

Well said.

Look at their website: the gentle, caring, neat & clean, professional atmosphere is a large part of why I'm attracted to it. They also communicate with you promptly and courteously, and are open to answering any and all questions. Email them with any questions.

 

[realjunes]

Even though I can afford it, that doesn't mean I want to spend it! But you're right, your question is the one that I keep asking myself.

And as far as acceptance goes, as long as you are over 18 and not suffering from a mental illness--are rational and competent--you will be accepted.

How long before you would know if you are accepted, and is there a lot of paperwork you have to send them first? Do you have to pay for the "application?" It sounds pretty good on its face.