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OutOfTime

Member
Mar 3, 2021
8
I have various reasons for wanting to CTB but one of them is that I just can't imagine being happy with a 9-5 job which you require to function in the modern western society unless you're very lucky. During school the only thing that got me through the years (barely) was looking forward to summer time off and various holidays. It all felt like it was a Sisyphean cycle even as a kid. I would always dread Monday so much that my weekends were ruined by anticipatory stress. I just hated the idea of starting that cycle all over again. Freedom and free time is what makes me content and happy. Not having enough makes me miserable.

Work feels like school taken to an insane degree. I thought I would just have to grow up and I could get used to it. I thought getting paid would make it endurable. I was very wrong. I am able to live (albeit in poverty) due to disability support for my severe anxiety and depression. I tried to do something on my own to make money that I find to be my passion, but it doesn't seem like it will work out.

Depending on luck, you have to put an insane amount of time into just *getting* a job based on how someone else evaluates you in an interview. You could do all that work just to find out the work environment is horrible or that there is some other problem. After that you work 8 hours a day, but that doesn't include commute. Say it's 30 minutes both ways (if you're lucky), that's 9 hours a day. You have to spend time getting ready for work in the morning, so you are dedicating that time to work even when you aren't there. That's another 15-45 minutes depending on how quick you are.

Your first 9-10 hours in a day are given to work depending on your commute and morning routine, then you get home afterwards and are tired. You know it starts again the next day or on Monday. Not to mention you still have to take time to do chores and errands like getting groceries. If the people at work are dreadful to be around this constant drain on your mental health is exponentially higher. On top of that, your job probably won't have much meaning or enjoyment to it. Most people would quit their jobs and do something else with that time if they had financial security. Sure, you have weekends, but the knowledge that you start all over again on Monday feels horrid and can ruin that time off. Because of my anxiety, I was always worried about something going wrong at work which made the days feel even more torturous. I am very introverted and take a long time to feel comfortable around others. I dislike office politics and how people treat each other and myself.

It feels that you barely have any time for yourself and a lot of it is time where you're past your most energized state in the day and are more fatigued. To do this year round with barely any time off compared to school just feels like another Sisyphean cycle of misery and anxiety for 30+ years and I just can't do it. It takes away your most youthful and healthy years and only at the end when your body starts to grow old can you think about retiring.

How is a life like that worth living? I think there isn't much point to life, but if you can be content and avoid enough suffering, that's a good reason to stay alive and enjoy yourself while it lasts. I may as well end it all and save myself the struggle because I'll die in the end anyway. I dont see any path I can take to enjoy life enough to want to stick around.

On the other hand, I feel ashamed.

It looks so easy for other people. It makes me feel broken and inferior. I cant afford the things they can, I don't have the social life they do. "What do you do for a living" is such a common question in basic social interactions and I just feel humiliated when it's asked because I'm not like people who can manage that lifestyle. I don't see a point in trying to get a partner, why would anyone want to spend their life with someone who can't work / provide? I shy away from my friends because it seems that they are all thriving and doing so much better than I am and I feel too ashamed to face them. I feel pathetic when they talk about the things they do and have in life even though I like them as people.

I also feel ashamed because there are people who live in abject poverty without secure food or water and are suffering far more than me. There are other disabled people who manage to work as well. I've read comments here from people who have extremely painful living conditions due to their health issues. It feels like I'm ungrateful, spoiled, or demanding too much, but I can't choose to just feel okay about it all. Some people work 70+ hour work weeks and still manage to function. People in the past lived in even worse conditions, working brutal hours with low life expectancy, yet they somehow managed to do it.

Why can't I be as good? Why can't I be normal? Am I just too weak for modern life?

How do you feel about western work culture?
 
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lynnschronicles

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Mar 8, 2024
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It's one of my main reasons to ctb. Sending love 💝
 
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imOK

Student
Apr 10, 2025
138
People were not made to endure this. If it was at least for a noble, common goal... but let's be frank - you're doing it so some rich asshole you'll never meet will be just that tiny bit richer. It's completely nuts.
 
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SomewhereAlongThe

So where's the bus stop?
May 17, 2024
223
You're not the only one. I can't do it either. I hardly spent a day at school as a child. I barely attended. School was like hell for me, I got bullied and outcasted and then there was the work from 8 - 3 everyday. Call me lazy, whatever, I couldn't do it. Having a job? No, just no. I had a part time job as a housekeeper once but that job made me exhausted. I found myself skipping days even then until just one day I left the job.
 
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8leveloquenfrn4evr8

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Nov 26, 2024
218
Well said. This is a total nightmare.
 
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BRAINWORMS

dust to dust
Jul 20, 2020
138
Nothing about it has felt worth it.
 
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YandereMikuMistress

you say falling victim to myself is weak, so be it
Apr 26, 2023
643
I loath it,, I had a job then moved and attempted to get another but wow all these people only want someone with moreeee experience and since five years at Walmart doesn't seem like an appealing Choice to many recruiters, but,, I donno I thought after seventy resumes handing them out and putting them out online LinkedIn job bank indeed,, I already hated it at Walmart and the fact it's so fucking difficult for me to get a baic job even at a gas station to then once I manage to somehow land a job I'll still be suffering.
 
ArteriesBindEveryon

ArteriesBindEveryon

Student
Feb 9, 2023
110
The only reason why it seems like you struggle more than others is because you can only hear your own thoughts. Everyone is struggling and national burnout is rapidly increasing. Before long there's going to be a major labor crisis born from overworked laborers going on strike. You are far from the only one and eventually all that frustration will result in something changing.
 
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witheringwithgrace

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Mar 23, 2025
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I have various reasons for wanting to CTB but one of them is that I just can't imagine being happy with a 9-5 job which you require to function in the modern western society unless you're very lucky. During school the only thing that got me through the years (barely) was looking forward to summer time off and various holidays. It all felt like it was a Sisyphean cycle even as a kid. I would always dread Monday so much that my weekends were ruined by anticipatory stress. I just hated the idea of starting that cycle all over again. Freedom and free time is what makes me content and happy. Not having enough makes me miserable.

Work feels like school taken to an insane degree. I thought I would just have to grow up and I could get used to it. I thought getting paid would make it endurable. I was very wrong. I am able to live (albeit in poverty) due to disability support for my severe anxiety and depression. I tried to do something on my own to make money that I find to be my passion, but it doesn't seem like it will work out.

Depending on luck, you have to put an insane amount of time into just *getting* a job based on how someone else evaluates you in an interview. You could do all that work just to find out the work environment is horrible or that there is some other problem. After that you work 8 hours a day, but that doesn't include commute. Say it's 30 minutes both ways (if you're lucky), that's 9 hours a day. You have to spend time getting ready for work in the morning, so you are dedicating that time to work even when you aren't there. That's another 15-45 minutes depending on how quick you are.

Your first 9-10 hours in a day are given to work depending on your commute and morning routine, then you get home afterwards and are tired. You know it starts again the next day or on Monday. Not to mention you still have to take time to do chores and errands like getting groceries. If the people at work are dreadful to be around this constant drain on your mental health is exponentially higher. On top of that, your job probably won't have much meaning or enjoyment to it. Most people would quit their jobs and do something else with that time if they had financial security. Sure, you have weekends, but the knowledge that you start all over again on Monday feels horrid and can ruin that time off. Because of my anxiety, I was always worried about something going wrong at work which made the days feel even more torturous. I am very introverted and take a long time to feel comfortable around others. I dislike office politics and how people treat each other and myself.

It feels that you barely have any time for yourself and a lot of it is time where you're past your most energized state in the day and are more fatigued. To do this year round with barely any time off compared to school just feels like another Sisyphean cycle of misery and anxiety for 30+ years and I just can't do it. It takes away your most youthful and healthy years and only at the end when your body starts to grow old can you think about retiring.

How is a life like that worth living? I think there isn't much point to life, but if you can be content and avoid enough suffering, that's a good reason to stay alive and enjoy yourself while it lasts. I may as well end it all and save myself the struggle because I'll die in the end anyway. I dont see any path I can take to enjoy life enough to want to stick around.

On the other hand, I feel ashamed.

It looks so easy for other people. It makes me feel broken and inferior. I cant afford the things they can, I don't have the social life they do. "What do you do for a living" is such a common question in basic social interactions and I just feel humiliated when it's asked because I'm not like people who can manage that lifestyle. I don't see a point in trying to get a partner, why would anyone want to spend their life with someone who can't work / provide? I shy away from my friends because it seems that they are all thriving and doing so much better than I am and I feel too ashamed to face them. I feel pathetic when they talk about the things they do and have in life even though I like them as people.

I also feel ashamed because there are people who live in abject poverty without secure food or water and are suffering far more than me. There are other disabled people who manage to work as well. I've read comments here from people who have extremely painful living conditions due to their health issues. It feels like I'm ungrateful, spoiled, or demanding too much, but I can't choose to just feel okay about it all. Some people work 70+ hour work weeks and still manage to function. People in the past lived in even worse conditions, working brutal hours with low life expectancy, yet they somehow managed to do it.

Why can't I be as good? Why can't I be normal? Am I just too weak for modern life?

How do you feel about western work culture?
This. Working in this society seems to drain almost everyone from life. If you don't get frustratingly tired of working your guts away, you'll become hollow and empty inside. And education feels equally horrible because they're just trying to get you ready and susceptible for 40 years of work load.
 
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Bootleg Astolfo

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Oct 12, 2020
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I can't even handle a 13:00 to 17:00 volunteering without passing out most of the time, can't even imagine a 9-5 o7
 
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quietbird

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Apr 2, 2025
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I have various reasons for wanting to CTB but one of them is that I just can't imagine being happy with a 9-5 job which you require to function in the modern western society unless you're very lucky. During school the only thing that got me through the years (barely) was looking forward to summer time off and various holidays. It all felt like it was a Sisyphean cycle even as a kid. I would always dread Monday so much that my weekends were ruined by anticipatory stress. I just hated the idea of starting that cycle all over again. Freedom and free time is what makes me content and happy. Not having enough makes me miserable.

Work feels like school taken to an insane degree. I thought I would just have to grow up and I could get used to it. I thought getting paid would make it endurable. I was very wrong. I am able to live (albeit in poverty) due to disability support for my severe anxiety and depression. I tried to do something on my own to make money that I find to be my passion, but it doesn't seem like it will work out.

Depending on luck, you have to put an insane amount of time into just *getting* a job based on how someone else evaluates you in an interview. You could do all that work just to find out the work environment is horrible or that there is some other problem. After that you work 8 hours a day, but that doesn't include commute. Say it's 30 minutes both ways (if you're lucky), that's 9 hours a day. You have to spend time getting ready for work in the morning, so you are dedicating that time to work even when you aren't there. That's another 15-45 minutes depending on how quick you are.

Your first 9-10 hours in a day are given to work depending on your commute and morning routine, then you get home afterwards and are tired. You know it starts again the next day or on Monday. Not to mention you still have to take time to do chores and errands like getting groceries. If the people at work are dreadful to be around this constant drain on your mental health is exponentially higher. On top of that, your job probably won't have much meaning or enjoyment to it. Most people would quit their jobs and do something else with that time if they had financial security. Sure, you have weekends, but the knowledge that you start all over again on Monday feels horrid and can ruin that time off. Because of my anxiety, I was always worried about something going wrong at work which made the days feel even more torturous. I am very introverted and take a long time to feel comfortable around others. I dislike office politics and how people treat each other and myself.

It feels that you barely have any time for yourself and a lot of it is time where you're past your most energized state in the day and are more fatigued. To do this year round with barely any time off compared to school just feels like another Sisyphean cycle of misery and anxiety for 30+ years and I just can't do it. It takes away your most youthful and healthy years and only at the end when your body starts to grow old can you think about retiring.

How is a life like that worth living? I think there isn't much point to life, but if you can be content and avoid enough suffering, that's a good reason to stay alive and enjoy yourself while it lasts. I may as well end it all and save myself the struggle because I'll die in the end anyway. I dont see any path I can take to enjoy life enough to want to stick around.

On the other hand, I feel ashamed.

It looks so easy for other people. It makes me feel broken and inferior. I cant afford the things they can, I don't have the social life they do. "What do you do for a living" is such a common question in basic social interactions and I just feel humiliated when it's asked because I'm not like people who can manage that lifestyle. I don't see a point in trying to get a partner, why would anyone want to spend their life with someone who can't work / provide? I shy away from my friends because it seems that they are all thriving and doing so much better than I am and I feel too ashamed to face them. I feel pathetic when they talk about the things they do and have in life even though I like them as people.

I also feel ashamed because there are people who live in abject poverty without secure food or water and are suffering far more than me. There are other disabled people who manage to work as well. I've read comments here from people who have extremely painful living conditions due to their health issues. It feels like I'm ungrateful, spoiled, or demanding too much, but I can't choose to just feel okay about it all. Some people work 70+ hour work weeks and still manage to function. People in the past lived in even worse conditions, working brutal hours with low life expectancy, yet they somehow managed to do it.

Why can't I be as good? Why can't I be normal? Am I just too weak for modern life?

How do you feel about western work culture?
I deeply relate to everything you've said. It feels hopeless and depressing and because of my anxiety I also feel like I make it even harder for myself. Having a job you like can help...whether it's what the job is or even co-workers you slowly become friendly with..some angle. I do still find it all so daunting, and I feel weak and ashamed. You are not alone. Hug.
 
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Gustav Hartmann

Paragon
Aug 28, 2021
980
It's important to choose the right profession. It has to be something you have a talent for and you really burn for. My colleagues and I worked 10 hours a day and the money was only important to sedate our wifes when we are not at home most of the time.
By the way, it has nothing to do with modern western work culture. Do you think hunter-gatherers had more leisure time? Who didn't played the game starved. There was not such an asocial institution like a welfare state.
An interesting and fullfilling profession is a good prevention of suicide. When I retired my suicidality increased a lot.
 
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Odwin

Bucket of Chicken
Mar 31, 2021
553
I despise it aswell and fought it in the weirdest way. Long story short I went from Military to opening my own company. Closing the company to start an apprenticeship as tailor at the end I am at home creating fursuits. Just to be out of the 9 - 5.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
11,328
I actually have a job I enjoy most of the time. My hours are usually more extreme though. A 70+ hour week is common. But yeah, I'm tiring of it too. I don't feel pathetic about it though. I'm more anti-natilist angry about it that I'm been dumped into this situation and expected to perform.
 
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lawlietsph

can we be done here
May 6, 2023
251
The main reason for my suicidality. I've been unemployed for some years, during this time I experienced what it's like to starve because you have zero money and zero food.
4 months ago I finally found a part time job (4 hours daily), but i'm more burnt out than ever before. Only 4 hours, but my mind is dead at the end of the day. I have many other things to take care of, maybe that's why... But I don't get money for those other things...
This job pays me enough to buy food, but that's it. Nothing more. I can't save anything. I work to not starve to death. And I have no chance to ever break out from this hell. I live with my mother who makes the same amount of money in 8 hours as I do in 4 hours. We are barely surviving. I have zero chance of ever owning my home or just rent an apartment or something.

I hate this work culture with a passion. I hate everyone who thinks "working harder" is going to make you have anything. No. It's based on talent, luck, and connections.
I have none of that, so i'm destined to suffer and be miserable in these awful fucking jobs until I have enough.
 
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CarrotEater

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Feb 25, 2025
69
Despite all issues, isn't it the best time to be alive in history for an average person?

You mention western 9-5 being bad. That's fair. But what would you prefer? Is there an existing example which appeals to you? I'd rather live in a free modern country instead in some authoritarian country where life quality is much worse, you can't speak up and hope that you don't get send to war or prison for whatever reason. I'd rather 9-5 fhan live in some poor village where people die of starvation or preventable deseases.

It is possible to own a small bussiness and do fullfilling work (self employed or not). Or just get a decent amount of money if that what is your after, as long as you don't keep increasing your life standards and keep spending more for no reason.
 
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penguinl0v3s

Wait for Me 💙
Nov 1, 2023
814
Despite all issues, isn't it the best time to be alive in history for an average person?

You mention western 9-5 being bad. That's fair. But what would you prefer? Is there an existing example which appeals to you? I'd rather live in a free modern country instead in some authoritarian country where life quality is much worse, you can't speak up and hope that you don't get send to war or prison for whatever reason. I'd rather 9-5 fhan live in some poor village where people die of starvation or preventable deseases.

It is possible to own a small bussiness and do fullfilling work (self employed or not). Or just get a decent amount of money if that what is your after, as long as you don't keep increasing your life standards and keep spending more for no reason.
A better time was 20 years ago when wages and cost of living didn't have such a high gap.
 
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cemeteryismyhome

Student
Mar 15, 2025
131
To the OP: Don't be ashamed, yours is the normal human reaction. I've been doing it for about 40 years and it DOES get easier, in a way. For me, my soul burned out of me and I learned to kind-of enjoy it. Getting a paycheck is somewhat satisfying. It's also a boost to figure out something at work which might be helpful to others. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they enjoy it. I don't think it's easy for anyone even if they act like it is. It's not natural at all. For me, my depression and not caring at all what happens to me is actually useful for surviving, sad as that is. I'm trying to encourage you, but reading what I just wrote here, is, dunno. I sincerely wish you the best.
 
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areyousafe??

Arcanist
Nov 27, 2024
442
I'm glad someone understands exactly how I feel. It's one of the reasons why I need to ctb this year.

I graduated in 2011 but have worked full time up until the end of last year. It was a couple of years at each job, the longest job I held was for 8 years. I have intense emotional overreactions to situations/rejection/criticism at work, and I have accepted that I am no longer going to put myself through working full time, 9-5 for the rest of my life.

I wanted to apply for disability but my doctor was against it because it meant that I wouldn't be a contributing member of society. I was recently approved for disability which gives me just enough money for living expenses. When I told my doctor that I had been approved, she asked me when I'm going to look for work. I haven't looked for work since resigning last year.

I feel intense shame over how useless I am. Why can others cope perfectly fine but I cannot?
 
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CarrotEater

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Feb 25, 2025
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A better time was 20 years ago when wages and cost of living didn't have such a high gap.
I'm not saying I agree or not, however.

Why do you think it was better 20 years ago? What changed in the last 20 years, what is the cause, what is to blame? Is it possible for it to be like that again? Are we heading in that direction? What do we need to do to head into that direction?

This isn't necessarily a question for you specifically. I just think that contemplating and knowing answers to questions like this is beneficial to us all.

And to be clear, I'd rather be dead. No matter what somebody offered me, I'd rather die. But this is theoretical, let's assume we want to get back to those good 20 year ago times, how do we achieve that (on a personal level or as humanity?
 
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Ijustcantanymore

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Nov 22, 2024
66
Western work culture is slavery with extra steps. And capitalism is nothing more than a game of hoarding and rich people always win. It's all stupid, and frankly, humans deserve the misery of it since they choose it willingly.
 
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8leveloquenfrn4evr8

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It's important to choose the right profession. It has to be something you have a talent for and you really burn for. My colleagues and I worked 10 hours a day and the money was only important to sedate our wifes when we are not at home most of the time.
By the way, it has nothing to do with modern western work culture. Do you think hunter-gatherers had more leisure time? Who didn't played the game starved. There was not such an asocial institution like a welfare state.
An interesting and fullfilling profession is a good prevention of suicide. When I retired my suicidality increased a lot.
But I think there are people (maybe even a majority) who don't have a profession they would actually enjoy doing or that they would even be capable of doing well to begin with. So they are screwed with no means of correcting the situation.

I would say that even with all the compounding and interacting factors that led me to eventual suicide, not having a career that I am happy with and don't hate doing is, at this late stage in my shitty life, the number one reason why I will end up killing myself. I would even say that if that factor could be cured, then I probably wouldn't be suicidal. But it won't be cured.
 
heisenberg

heisenberg

well, good luck babe !
May 18, 2020
186
for me, i don't enjoy it. it would be a lot more tolerable if i liked my job but i don't. on top of it all, i'm salaried so it doesn't matter how much i work. i'm grateful to have this job, as it pays decent for my age and without a college degree. the burnout is real tho
 
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Phosphate mate

Member
Jan 17, 2024
17
This is what's slowly making me lose hope with my future prospects honestly.

I played their game in school - behaved well, went in everyday - did everything that was asked of me - model student really.

I play by the rules of the social contract. Yet I get a absolutely nothing in return.

life is unfulfiling, society is vacuous and
I think a 1300s blacksmith probably had a better time with their life.

It's not that I have no hope for something better I just think I wouldn't want to contribute to whatever this is.

My place is simply not here.
 
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lifecanbecruel!

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I have various reasons for wanting to CTB but one of them is that I just can't imagine being happy with a 9-5 job which you require to function in the modern western society unless you're very lucky. During school the only thing that got me through the years (barely) was looking forward to summer time off and various holidays. It all felt like it was a Sisyphean cycle even as a kid. I would always dread Monday so much that my weekends were ruined by anticipatory stress. I just hated the idea of starting that cycle all over again. Freedom and free time is what makes me content and happy. Not having enough makes me miserable.

Work feels like school taken to an insane degree. I thought I would just have to grow up and I could get used to it. I thought getting paid would make it endurable. I was very wrong. I am able to live (albeit in poverty) due to disability support for my severe anxiety and depression. I tried to do something on my own to make money that I find to be my passion, but it doesn't seem like it will work out.

Depending on luck, you have to put an insane amount of time into just *getting* a job based on how someone else evaluates you in an interview. You could do all that work just to find out the work environment is horrible or that there is some other problem. After that you work 8 hours a day, but that doesn't include commute. Say it's 30 minutes both ways (if you're lucky), that's 9 hours a day. You have to spend time getting ready for work in the morning, so you are dedicating that time to work even when you aren't there. That's another 15-45 minutes depending on how quick you are.

Your first 9-10 hours in a day are given to work depending on your commute and morning routine, then you get home afterwards and are tired. You know it starts again the next day or on Monday. Not to mention you still have to take time to do chores and errands like getting groceries. If the people at work are dreadful to be around this constant drain on your mental health is exponentially higher. On top of that, your job probably won't have much meaning or enjoyment to it. Most people would quit their jobs and do something else with that time if they had financial security. Sure, you have weekends, but the knowledge that you start all over again on Monday feels horrid and can ruin that time off. Because of my anxiety, I was always worried about something going wrong at work which made the days feel even more torturous. I am very introverted and take a long time to feel comfortable around others. I dislike office politics and how people treat each other and myself.

It feels that you barely have any time for yourself and a lot of it is time where you're past your most energized state in the day and are more fatigued. To do this year round with barely any time off compared to school just feels like another Sisyphean cycle of misery and anxiety for 30+ years and I just can't do it. It takes away your most youthful and healthy years and only at the end when your body starts to grow old can you think about retiring.

How is a life like that worth living? I think there isn't much point to life, but if you can be content and avoid enough suffering, that's a good reason to stay alive and enjoy yourself while it lasts. I may as well end it all and save myself the struggle because I'll die in the end anyway. I dont see any path I can take to enjoy life enough to want to stick around.

On the other hand, I feel ashamed.

It looks so easy for other people. It makes me feel broken and inferior. I cant afford the things they can, I don't have the social life they do. "What do you do for a living" is such a common question in basic social interactions and I just feel humiliated when it's asked because I'm not like people who can manage that lifestyle. I don't see a point in trying to get a partner, why would anyone want to spend their life with someone who can't work / provide? I shy away from my friends because it seems that they are all thriving and doing so much better than I am and I feel too ashamed to face them. I feel pathetic when they talk about the things they do and have in life even though I like them as people.

I also feel ashamed because there are people who live in abject poverty without secure food or water and are suffering far more than me. There are other disabled people who manage to work as well. I've read comments here from people who have extremely painful living conditions due to their health issues. It feels like I'm ungrateful, spoiled, or demanding too much, but I can't choose to just feel okay about it all. Some people work 70+ hour work weeks and still manage to function. People in the past lived in even worse conditions, working brutal hours with low life expectancy, yet they somehow managed to do it.

Why can't I be as good? Why can't I be normal? Am I just too weak for modern life?

How do you feel about western work culture?
I agree and I can relate...

It's wrong that people are forced to work jobs that they don't want to do. It's wrong that some people get paid so much more than others for doing less work or less important work. It's wrong that it can be so difficult to even find a job. It's wrong that retirement ages are increasing. Surely there is more to life than this?

It's wrong that so many are in jobs that they do not like, yet these jobs take up most of their lives! It's wrong that you are born, to then go to school, to then work, grow old, and then die!

There are too many things wrong with this world, and what work is, is just one of them. It's like people just want others to be slaves, to suffer, to be miserable. It's like people want to destroy the mental health of others. It's just wrong on so many levels!

WTF IS THIS WORLD WE LIVE IN!
 
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penguinl0v3s

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Nov 1, 2023
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I'm not saying I agree or not, however.

Why do you think it was better 20 years ago? What changed in the last 20 years, what is the cause, what is to blame? Is it possible for it to be like that again? Are we heading in that direction? What do we need to do to head into that direction?

This isn't necessarily a question for you specifically. I just think that contemplating and knowing answers to questions like this is beneficial to us all.

And to be clear, I'd rather be dead. No matter what somebody offered me, I'd rather die. But this is theoretical, let's assume we want to get back to those good 20 year ago times, how do we achieve that (on a personal level or as humanity?
In the past, you didn't have to work so many hours to get the bare minimum. Now people have to work full time and overtime to pay the bills and get adequate food. Reaching a good standard of living is so difficult now. I'm not sure what the blame is, I think it's mostly companies getting more power and being able to withhold more profits from their laborers. We are heading very far away from that direction, and I don't see it changing anytime soon as long as you can take out loans for a slice of pizza (look at the amount of things you can use Buy Now Pay Later on). People will take on massive loans for basic necessities, and as long as that bubble doesn't pop, it will stay the same. The housing market can be so expensive precisely because people only need to pay 10% of the house's value at first, and then take on burden of debt for the next 50 years.

It was theorized in the last century that with automation, humans could work less and less. But instead, the average guy has to work more and more because of the withholding of better wages. I've seen the people that can go without working 9-5 and it seems pretty pleasant though. My boss goes on vacation every month across the country to engage in his hobbies. Sociologists theorized that the average man could do this with technological advancement, but that is not happening out of pure greed. Look at how people talk about AI. They don't talk about how it could help everyone work less and live better lives, they talk about fear of not having a job and starving on the street, because people hoard money even when they've made more.
 
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divinemistress36

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Jan 1, 2024
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I'm glad someone understands exactly how I feel. It's one of the reasons why I need to ctb this year.

I graduated in 2011 but have worked full time up until the end of last year. It was a couple of years at each job, the longest job I held was for 8 years. I have intense emotional overreactions to situations/rejection/criticism at work, and I have accepted that I am no longer going to put myself through working full time, 9-5 for the rest of my life.

I wanted to apply for disability but my doctor was against it because it meant that I wouldn't be a contributing member of society. I was recently approved for disability which gives me just enough money for living expenses. When I told my doctor that I had been approved, she asked me when I'm going to look for work. I haven't looked for work since resigning last year.

I feel intense shame over how useless I am. Why can others cope perfectly fine but I cannot?
I had to go on disabilty to fought 3 years to get it . Its degrading
 
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vitbar

Escaped Lunatic
Jun 4, 2023
440
Too much work. Feel like I haven't got time to thrive, only survive. Barely getting by financially.

Wish I did 9 to 5, try 4pm to midnight.
 

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