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Carrot

Carrot

Student
Feb 25, 2025
161
In the past, you didn't have to work so many hours to get the bare minimum. Now people have to work full time and overtime to pay the bills and get adequate food. Reaching a good standard of living is so difficult now. I'm not sure what the blame is, I think it's mostly companies getting more power and being able to withhold more profits from their laborers. We are heading very far away from that direction, and I don't see it changing anytime soon as long as you can take out loans for a slice of pizza (look at the amount of things you can use Buy Now Pay Later on). People will take on massive loans for basic necessities, and as long as that bubble doesn't pop, it will stay the same. The housing market can be so expensive precisely because people only need to pay 10% of the house's value at first, and then take on burden of debt for the next 50 years.

It was theorized in the last century that with automation, humans could work less and less. But instead, the average guy has to work more and more because of the withholding of better wages. I've seen the people that can go without working 9-5 and it seems pretty pleasant though. My boss goes on vacation every month across the country to engage in his hobbies. Sociologists theorized that the average man could do this with technological advancement, but that is not happening out of pure greed. Look at how people talk about AI. They don't talk about how it could help everyone work less and live better lives, they talk about fear of not having a job and starving on the street, because people hoard money even when they've made more.
Thanks for the answer!

There is a lot I'd like to say here. I wish we voted for people that care about facts and well being of everybody, that would be a good start. We should hold them accountable, it saddens me how some get relected. We can't expect politicians to fix all our issues, but voting for liars and people who make our lives worse is insane. At the same time can't blame people for voting a certain way when their lives are so miserable and they may latch on any kind of hope without caring what is best in the long run.
 
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fallingbehind

fallingbehind

New Member
Mar 22, 2025
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Its embarrassing but work culture plays a large role in my decision to ctb. I dont have the will or the intelligence to work for the rest of my functional years.
 
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LigottiIsRight

LigottiIsRight

Life is not worth beginning.
Jan 28, 2025
81
We work in order to sustain the life we spend working. A ridiculous, yet unavoidable loop.
 
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Gustav Hartmann

Gustav Hartmann

Enlightened
Aug 28, 2021
1,019
But I think there are people (maybe even a majority) who don't have a profession they would actually enjoy doing or that they would even be capable of doing well to begin with. So they are screwed with no means of correcting the situation.

I would say that even with all the compounding and interacting factors that led me to eventual suicide, not having a career that I am happy with and don't hate doing is, at this late stage in my shitty life, the number one reason why I will end up killing myself. I would even say that if that factor could be cured, then I probably wouldn't be suicidal. But it won't be cured.
I forget to mention self motivation. There are often very personal ways for self motivation even if the job is awful. If it is hard and tiring physical work imagine it is your workout. Or feel better if you are valuable for the human society.
 
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areyousafe??

Arcanist
Nov 27, 2024
465
I had to go on disabilty to fought 3 years to get it . Its degrading
What process did you have to go through to get it?

I read about other people's experiences with trying to get approved for disability under mental health on Reddit. It sounded frustrating- some were not approved because their condition wasn't considered to be stable, or severe enough to impact on working, they hadn't tried enough types of antidepressants etc. I read only 25% of claims got approved. I didn't think I stood a chance but my psychiatrist was supportive and he provided me with a medical report. I had to attend a job capacity assessment and then a medical assessment with a clinical psychologist. They had my medical records from all the times I was hospitalised dating back to 2004. I was surprised when I received a message saying that disability had been approved 2 weeks ago.
 
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divinemistress36

Angelic
Jan 1, 2024
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What process did you have to go through to get it?

I read about other people's experiences with trying to get approved for disability under mental health on Reddit. It sounded frustrating- some were not approved because their condition wasn't considered to be stable, or severe enough to impact on working, they hadn't tried enough types of antidepressants etc. I read only 25% of claims got approved. I didn't think I stood a chance but my psychiatrist was supportive and he provided me with a medical report. I had to attend a job capacity assessment and then a medical assessment with a clinical psychologist. They had my medical records from all the times I was hospitalised dating back to 2004. I was surprised when I received a message saying that disability had been approved 2 weeks ago.
You will always get denied the first time and sometimes second time .you have to get a lawyer to even have a chance to win and a hearing with a judge. Actually went through 2 hearings with a judge and if they see that you worked full time during those years of waiting you will be denied. All the electroshock therapy is what made the 2nd judge be like ya you are disabled
 
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SleepyTransit

SleepyTransit

My death is my dream.
Apr 27, 2025
45
I wouldn't say "western" work culture but, a "North American" one. I live in Canada and can agree with you on that... the 9-5 is not a 9-5. You see people working close to 12 hours a day 5 days week like it's totally normal (Most of which are not payed OT for) luckily I work as a tradesman at a digital printing shop and the hours are the ones for your shift. But i feel absolutely ashamed that we have such a bad work culture. Atleast it's not as bad as like Japan where I have heard of some terrible things Bosses have done to their employees sometimes.
 
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Scythe

Lost in a delusion
Sep 5, 2022
581
Same, I also struggled in school, mentally, my final semester was me going to school, trying to sleep through some classes so it drains me less, passing time in the afternoon by doing nothing or playing games that I couldn't enjoy because I was drained. It also left a long term change to my brain that makes my depression episodes stronger and more frequent.

I used to get told that I'd just need to work hard and get good grades and once I'm working it'll be easy. I believed my parents until I talked to working adults and realized there's only more suffering down the line.

You don't really need to feel bad about not being adaptable to this, this isn't something I believe we should adapt to. I've seen working change people, it makes them miserable, but they hold on because they want to live, they have to keep working because that's what it takes to live right now.

I've got the conviction to die anyways, don't plan to live long so it's not like I'm leeching off society. (I wouldn't feel bad even if I am because this entire world is fucked up and I honestly cannot give a damn) This current society gives you a "choice" work or die, it just doesn't expect you to die, it's threatening you, and if you're avoiding choosing, good on you. If you choose death, that's fine too, it's the option most people aren't brave enough to choose. There's nothing weak about avoidance either, the current state society is in, the reward is genuinely not worth the effort most of the times.
 
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Adรปnรขi

Adรปnรขi

Little Russian in-cel
Apr 25, 2020
1,170
Now people have to work full time and overtime to pay the bills and get adequate food. Reaching a good standard of living is so difficult now.
I feel so inadequate because my mom works in Italy like 2 months per year and has enough money for keeping me alive in the Ukraine? (Also my granny in Italy helps.) Does it mean I'm privileged that I don't have to work? BUT with the caveat that I can't go outside at all.

So why not have an online job, let's say, and emigrate to a third world country such as the Philippines or Romania? I'm rather clueless about these matters, but I feel like when poor countries emigrate to the rich ones, the rich ones don't usually abuse their conditions by emigrating to the low cost of living regions?
 
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penguinl0v3s

penguinl0v3s

Wait for Me ๐Ÿ’™
Nov 1, 2023
831
I feel so inadequate because my mom works in Italy like 2 months per year and has enough money for keeping me alive in the Ukraine? (Also my granny in Italy helps.) Does it mean I'm privileged that I don't have to work? BUT with the caveat that I can't go outside at all.

So why not have an online job, let's say, and emigrate to a third world country such as the Philippines or Romania? I'm rather clueless about these matters, but I feel like when poor countries emigrate to the rich ones, the rich ones don't usually abuse their conditions by emigrating to the low cost of living regions?
I've considered that before, but it's hard because most places don't allow you to buy property or rent if you don't have a visa or citizenship there. Maybe your mother is taking advantage of exchange rate.
 
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Adรปnรขi

Little Russian in-cel
Apr 25, 2020
1,170
I've considered that before, but it's hard because most places don't allow you to buy property or rent if you don't have a visa or citizenship there. Maybe your mother is taking advantage of exchange rate.
I guess, the passport bros in the Philippines and the Ukrainian maids serving old ladies in Italy are outside the Matrix then?

Btw curious to see you come back here, is it because you feel bad or the opposite?
 
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๐‘น๐’‚๐’˜ ๐‘ท๐’“๐’†๐’Ž๐’‚๐’…๐’† ๐‘ท๐’Š๐’›๐’›๐’‚

When it's my time to leave, I'll be a cooked pizza
Jan 13, 2025
35
Feel the fucking same thing mate, I'm glad I'm not alone, I tend to feel ashamed of this but fuck it, it's the truth, our truth. We are in times when we could do better...
I'm afraid that it could come a day when that reality would come and crush me, I wouldn't survive. I live with that fear but it's time for me to confront it and build the life I look for.
 
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8leveloquenfrn4evr8

Experienced
Nov 26, 2024
232
I forget to mention self motivation. There are often very personal ways for self motivation even if the job is awful. If it is hard and tiring physical work imagine it is your workout. Or feel better if you are valuable for the human society.
I can't make it "real" if it isn't really there. It's never there.
 
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SleepyBB

SleepyBB

My Own Reaper
May 15, 2022
28
To articulate my thoughts in the most honest and transparent way possible, I would like to emphasize that I genuinely find myself in agreement with that statement. Therefore, I can confidently say that my answer is a resounding yes, as it reflects my true feelings and perspective on the matter at hand
 
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Cauliflour

Cauliflour

The one who doodles.
Mar 24, 2025
149
I was going to say something but I'm too stupid to really understand so all I can really say is:

take a long break. You sound really burnt out.
 
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CentreMid

Midfielder
Aug 23, 2018
533
You're not wrong for feeling like this. I also despise Western work culture - the way we glorify productivity and profit is beyond evil.

Our whole system is not good for the modern ape, and it's one of my long-term reasons to ctb
 
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LostHope556

LostHope556

Member
Mar 31, 2025
51
How is a life like that worth living?
This. Exactly this.

I've spent the last 3 years trying to create something better for myself.

Now I'm tired. Exhausted. I don't see much point left.
 
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LetMeOut67

LetMeOut67

Member
May 7, 2025
63
I have various reasons for wanting to CTB but one of them is that I just can't imagine being happy with a 9-5 job which you require to function in the modern western society unless you're very lucky. During school the only thing that got me through the years (barely) was looking forward to summer time off and various holidays. It all felt like it was a Sisyphean cycle even as a kid. I would always dread Monday so much that my weekends were ruined by anticipatory stress. I just hated the idea of starting that cycle all over again. Freedom and free time is what makes me content and happy. Not having enough makes me miserable.

Work feels like school taken to an insane degree. I thought I would just have to grow up and I could get used to it. I thought getting paid would make it endurable. I was very wrong. I am able to live (albeit in poverty) due to disability support for my severe anxiety and depression. I tried to do something on my own to make money that I find to be my passion, but it doesn't seem like it will work out.

Depending on luck, you have to put an insane amount of time into just *getting* a job based on how someone else evaluates you in an interview. You could do all that work just to find out the work environment is horrible or that there is some other problem. After that you work 8 hours a day, but that doesn't include commute. Say it's 30 minutes both ways (if you're lucky), that's 9 hours a day. You have to spend time getting ready for work in the morning, so you are dedicating that time to work even when you aren't there. That's another 15-45 minutes depending on how quick you are.

Your first 9-10 hours in a day are given to work depending on your commute and morning routine, then you get home afterwards and are tired. You know it starts again the next day or on Monday. Not to mention you still have to take time to do chores and errands like getting groceries. If the people at work are dreadful to be around this constant drain on your mental health is exponentially higher. On top of that, your job probably won't have much meaning or enjoyment to it. Most people would quit their jobs and do something else with that time if they had financial security. Sure, you have weekends, but the knowledge that you start all over again on Monday feels horrid and can ruin that time off. Because of my anxiety, I was always worried about something going wrong at work which made the days feel even more torturous. I am very introverted and take a long time to feel comfortable around others. I dislike office politics and how people treat each other and myself.

It feels that you barely have any time for yourself and a lot of it is time where you're past your most energized state in the day and are more fatigued. To do this year round with barely any time off compared to school just feels like another Sisyphean cycle of misery and anxiety for 30+ years and I just can't do it. It takes away your most youthful and healthy years and only at the end when your body starts to grow old can you think about retiring.

How is a life like that worth living? I think there isn't much point to life, but if you can be content and avoid enough suffering, that's a good reason to stay alive and enjoy yourself while it lasts. I may as well end it all and save myself the struggle because I'll die in the end anyway. I dont see any path I can take to enjoy life enough to want to stick around.

On the other hand, I feel ashamed.

It looks so easy for other people. It makes me feel broken and inferior. I cant afford the things they can, I don't have the social life they do. "What do you do for a living" is such a common question in basic social interactions and I just feel humiliated when it's asked because I'm not like people who can manage that lifestyle. I don't see a point in trying to get a partner, why would anyone want to spend their life with someone who can't work / provide? I shy away from my friends because it seems that they are all thriving and doing so much better than I am and I feel too ashamed to face them. I feel pathetic when they talk about the things they do and have in life even though I like them as people.

I also feel ashamed because there are people who live in abject poverty without secure food or water and are suffering far more than me. There are other disabled people who manage to work as well. I've read comments here from people who have extremely painful living conditions due to their health issues. It feels like I'm ungrateful, spoiled, or demanding too much, but I can't choose to just feel okay about it all. Some people work 70+ hour work weeks and still manage to function. People in the past lived in even worse conditions, working brutal hours with low life expectancy, yet they somehow managed to do it.

Why can't I be as good? Why can't I be normal? Am I just too weak for modern life?

How do you feel about western work culture?
I feel exactly the same as you. About school , about work , about the guilt of knowing that there are others in worse circumstances, all of it. I have very good reasons for not being in employment with my probable autism and severe depression but I don't know if society accepts them completely. Or just views me as a waster.
It feels like those in half decent jobs are in some ways some kind of aristocracy compared with everyone else now. And of course employment also partly feels like a beauty contest like everything else is now. It is a finely tuned hell that has been created and it's frankly evil. Those who cannot compete should not be expected to stay here because no job means social death basically.
 
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6lackstar

6lackstar

ห—หห‹ โ˜… หŽหŠห—
Nov 20, 2024
40
Yes i feel exactly the same. It makes me feel so silly but the thought of working a 9-5 once i graduate fills me with so much dread
 
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Unbearable Mr. Bear

Unbearable Mr. Bear

Sometimes, all I need is a hug...
May 9, 2025
191
Lou Albano: If you do work 9-5, you go to hell before you die.

...please...

If anyone's confused search lou albano psa. It's a good laugh.
 
hereornot

hereornot

Freedom
May 16, 2024
267
I work from 8 am to 6 pm today. That's because I'm an employee. When it's for something personal, it always takes longer.
 

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