Venting Humans just create suffering

[DreamEnd]

No, I'm saying that God doesn't exist because you're not providing any verifiable evidence of God's existence, not even one single shred. In fact, there's actually plenty of evidence against the Christian gods existence, such as evolution, Aleutian, the scientific and accuracy of the Bible, the historical and accuracy of the Bible, the contradictory nature of the Bible, who created the creator, conundrum, the omnipotence, omniscience paradoxes, and a bunch of others.

There are people who had powerful nde and psychedelic experiences who say otherwise. But again, to you they are druggies that manipulated their brain structure. So simple. Several accounts of cancer patients having a breakthrough expereince on lsd and understanding there is more to life after death

Aspects of Buddhist philosophy may have legitimacy and powerful experiences that are ineffable can be experienced through deep meditation, but ascribing, spiritual powers, or ethereal prowess to it is illogical

 

[sserafim]

Oh definitely especially for health if you can tough it out in 5-10 years is going to be big changes in longevity as well humans will live to be way way longer medically there's going to be crazy advancements even like having a robot wife is going to be a thing pretty soon you have some smoking hot robot wife or husband whatever. Here's a example of where robots are today. And a.i is increasing at a rate of ten times per 6 months, so once quantum computers come out it will get insanely cool.

Do you think that scientists will figure out how to stop aging? How much longer is "way way longer"? Will aging be reversed and prevented?

 

[DarkRange55]

There are people who had powerful nde and psychedelic experiences who say otherwise. But again, to you they are druggies that manipulated their brain structure. So simple. Several accounts of cancer patients having a breakthrough expereince on lsd and understanding there is more to life after death

As I've said before multiple times on this forum, I also have had two near death experiences where the doctors said I should be dead and I saw all the stuff people talk about and you know what it can all be replicated in the brain, and it can also all be explained away by science. You should start reading Skeptic magazine and watching MythBusters and watch Peller BS and watch all of that so-called evidence just float away

Do you think that scientists will figure out how to stop aging?

OK if this person has no background in science, and I literally have a PhD, I'm getting a little bit irritated that now they're talking about scientific breakthroughs, and at the same time they're talking about claims of the metaphysical this person has no right to speak on that subject of medical breakthroughs

 

[DreamEnd]

As I've said before multiple times on this forum, I also have had two near death experiences where the doctors said I should be dead and I saw all the stuff people talk about and you know what it can all be replicated in the brain, and it can also all be explained away by science. You should start reading Skeptic magazine and watching MythBusters and watch Peller BS and watch all of that so-called evidence just float away

No I was an atheist before and I have had an ayahuaca experience so powerful I was able to take a peek where souls go after death and who i was in my previous lives. But of course, these are all just hallucinations. Dont mind the fact that multiple other people had the same experience as me. Maybe its just the drug right that has the right set of chemicals to completely recreate the same experience in many different people. LOL

 

[DarkRange55]

No I was an atheist before and I have had an ayahuaca experience so powerful I was able to take a peek where souls go after death and who i was in my previous lives. But of course, these are all just hallucinations. Dont mind the fact that multiple other people had the same experience as me. Maybe its just the drug right that has the right set of chemicals to completely recreate the same experience in many different people. LOL

Yes, the fact that multiple people have had the same experience literally explains that it's just chemicals in your brain, especially when it can be explained away scientifically and you just want to think that you're a special person, and that there's more to life than simply electro-mechanical processes

 

[sserafim]

OK if this person has no background in science, and I literally have a PhD, I'm getting a little bit irritated that now they're talking about scientific breakthroughs, and at the same time they're talking about claims of the metaphysical this person has no right to speak on that subject of medical breakthroughs

It's not the same person lol

 

[DarkRange55]

No I was an atheist before and I have had an ayahuaca experience so powerful I was able to take a peek where souls go after death and who i was in my previous lives. But of course, these are all just hallucinations. Dont mind the fact that multiple other people had the same experience as me. Maybe its just the drug right that has the right set of chemicals to completely recreate the same experience in many different people. LOL

Um… yes? Why do you think that marijuana and alcohol and all of these sorts of things have the same effect on people?

It's not the same person lol

Oh, if it's not the same person, then tell them I'm very sorry! That was my mistake

 

[sserafim]

No I was an atheist before and I have had an ayahuaca experience so powerful I was able to take a peek where souls go after death and who i was in my previous lives. But of course, these are all just hallucinations. Dont mind the fact that multiple other people had the same experience as me. Maybe its just the drug right that has the right set of chemicals to completely recreate the same experience in many different people. LOL

Where do souls go after death? The spirit world? I think I had a dream about it once but I'm not sure if it was really the spirit world or not

 

[DreamEnd]

Um… yes? Why do you think that marijuana and alcohol and all of these sorts of things have the same effect on people?

LOL you realize the side effects of smoking is different from actually consuming a psychoactive substtance. We will go nowhere if you are just going to disregard all experiences as hallucinations and brain pathways altertions

 

[DarkRange55]

LOL you realize the side effects of smoking is different from actually consuming a psychoactive substtance

So first of all marijuana is actually considered a psychoactive substance and secondly yes, because I've been a long time marijuana smoker and I've used psychedelics for many years and also, I have an actual understanding of biology and biochemistry unlike you. You're not an expert and you should not be speaking with this level of certainty, and literally trying to reach studies that you actually can't understand the methodology behind. And then, making bold baseless claims that the entire scientific community is wrong, and these gurus have somehow figured it all out when you're not providing any shred of evidence, except saying lol

LOL you realize the side effects of smoking is different from actually consuming a psychoactive substtance

You also have not refuted any of my points you just keep moving the goalposts

 

[DreamEnd]

So first of all marijuana is actually considered a psychoactive substance and secondly yes, because I've been a long time marijuana smoker and I've used psychedelics for many years and also, I have an actual understanding of biology and biochemistry unlike you. You're not an expert and you should not be speaking with this level of certainty, and literally trying to reach studies that you actually can't understand the methodology behind. And then, making bold baseless claims that the entire scientific community is wrong, and these gurus have somehow figured it all out when you're not providing any shred of evidence, except saying lol

You also have not refuted any of my points you just keep moving the goalposts

I have already cited you actual books by actual psychiatrists who sstudied this. There are thousands of different experiences of ayahuasca. There are case studies of past life experiences of children etc. I am not going to send you the links to all the phenomenon you can find it yourself

 

[DarkRange55]

I have already cited you actual books by actual psychiatrists who sstudied this. There are thousands of different experiences of ayahuasca. There are case studies of past life experiences of children etc. I am not going to send you the links to all the phenomenon you can find it yourself

Yes, and many of those have been debunked… and also you're taking things out of context, and you're literally just siding individual experiences, which is not evidence. And you're not answering my question of if these are physically explainable processes of chemicals in the brain, what validity do they have?

I have already cited you actual books by actual psychiatrists who sstudied this. There are thousands of different experiences of ayahuasca. There are case studies of past life experiences of children etc. I am not going to send you the links to all the phenomenon you can find it yourself

Also, your siding psychologists while you're siding a single one and secondly, what about neuroscientists and biochemists? Psychology is all theory.

 

[DreamEnd]

Yes, and many of those have been debunked… and also you're taking things out of context, and you're literally just siding individual experiences, which is not evidence. And you're not answering my question of if these are physically explainable processes of chemicals in the brain, what validity do they have?

We have physical validity of the person dying. But we dont have any validity of where they go after death or what happens with their consciosness. So what then? If everything can be explained by biology and science why cant you explain that? The experiences matter, there are so many of them that go back thousands and thousands of years back

 

[DarkRange55]

I have already cited you actual books by actual psychiatrists who sstudied this. There are thousands of different experiences of ayahuasca. There are case studies of past life experiences of children etc. I am not going to send you the links to all the phenomenon you can find it yourself

You're literally acting like you're an expert and then everyone in science is wrong when you actually have no foundation in the subject except for I read a book that said this by some psychologist, and all these native people said this when you yourself are not an expert, and you clearly don't have an understanding of neuroscience

 

[DreamEnd]

You're literally acting like you're an expert and then everyone in science is wrong when you actually have no foundation in the subject except for I read a book that said this by some psychologist, and all these native people said this when you yourself are not an expert, and you clearly don't have an understanding of neuroscience

I dont have to have an understanding of neuroscience to know that there is no explanation for cerain phenomenon besides" its just the brain bro"

 

[DarkRange55]

We have physical validity of the person dying. But we dont have any validity of where they go after death or what happens with their consciosness. So what then? If everything can be explained by biology and science why cant you explain that? The experiences matter, there are so many of them that go back thousands and thousands of years back

So again, your argument is a god of the gaps argument you're just saying because this one thing has not been explained currently therefore, I'm going to insert my metaphysical explanation that has no science and no evidence to it to address this. What is your evidence to support your claim? Who is to say the Christians are wrong who is to say that Buddhist are wrong who is to say that the Jews are wrong?

Secondly, why does anything happen to you when you die it's probably just lights out because there's really no evidence of any continuation. There's actually evidence to suggest the opposite.

I dont have to have an understanding of neuroscience to know that there is no explanation for cerain phenomenon besides" its just the brain bro"

OK, so why are you speaking with so much authority if you're clearly not an expert and you don't even have a basic degree in science? You literally are just saying I read this one book that said this.

 

[DreamEnd]

So again, your argument is a god of the gaps argument you're just saying because this one thing has not been explained currently therefore, I'm going to insert my metaphysical explanation that has no science and no evidence to it to address this. What is your evidence to support your claim? Who is to say the Christians are wrong who is to say that Buddhist are wrong who is to say that the Jews are wrong?

I speak from experience and I refer to experience, which is the only way you can explain such phenomenon

Secondly, why does anything happen to you when you die it's probably just lights out because there's really no evidence of any continuation. There's actually evidence to suggest the opposite.

Plenty of evidence with people experiencing thigns during ndes and psychedelics, you are going in circles , I have already explained that to you and showed you studies

 

[DarkRange55]

I dont have to have an understanding of neuroscience to know that there is no explanation for cerain phenomenon besides" its just the brain bro"

Also, the fact that you're so-called evidence is literally just all of these people took drugs and thought they saw God doesn't prove anything because even if billions of people people thought that it's not going to prove that is the reality because that's not how science and reality work. People think the Earth is flat they're wrong people used to think the Earth is the center of the universe that doesn't make it true

I speak from experience and I refer to experience, which is the only way you can explain such phenomenon

Plenty of evidence with people experiencing thigns during ndes and psychedelics, you are going in circles , I have already explained that to you and showed you studies

I showed you studies to the contrary

 

[walkingdead2023]

Humans truly are such a repulsive species, they just create so much suffering, no matter what the human species will always be an abomination and I find it beyond tragic how it hasn't gone voluntarily extinct yet. The fact that humans so harmfully procreate yet make suicide pretty much illegal is really evil and disgusting, I'm tired of this hellish world and I'd always prefer to die no matter what. Existence truly does cause nothing but pain, harm and cruelty, all of which was unnecessary in the first place and could had been prevented if humans had the awareness and compassion not to procreate.

It truly is like a virus how they procreate even know existing really is only suffering, how could they procreate when we truly do exist in hell, to be conscious with the ability to suffer will always be a terrible curse. The fact that many humans just cause others to suffer more with their cruelty and insensitivity just makes me wish to not exist even more, even this site is no different, it's not a safe space for those who really want to die anymore, I'm tired of the insensitivity of humans and how they love to make others feel worse.

I agree it's not safe for me either.. I cry more often now I don't know today while I'm driving back from work I had the music on and all what I know I'm parking my car I have no clue how I made it it's like someone else was driving my car it's weird!!!

 

[DreamEnd]

Also, the fact that you're so-called evidence is literally just all of these people took drugs and thought they saw God doesn't prove anything because even if billions of people people thought that it's not going to prove that is the reality because that's not how science and reality work.

Your western science. I have already explained to you what i Ithink of this western science

People think the Earth is flat they're wrong people used to think the Earth is the center of the universe that doesn't make it true

I showed you studies to the contrary

You showed me brain mechanisms, that doesnt explain anything as to the meaning of the experience and why some people have universal meaning, some personal, some others

 

[DarkRange55]

Your western science. I have already explained to you what i Ithink of this western science

You showed me brain mechanisms, that doesnt explain anything as to the meaning of the experience and why some people have universal meaning, some personal, some others

They have universal meaning because those are ubiquitous Sapien, fascinations of power and sex and fertility and all of these sorts of things and also if you seriously think that about Western science, then how are you using a phone that's running on electricity and taking a car to get places in a house that was built with materials engineered by us And taking medicine

Your western science. I have already explained to you what i Ithink of this western science

You showed me brain mechanisms, that doesnt explain anything as to the meaning of the experience and why some people have universal meaning, some personal, some others

Yes, those are mechanisms of action on how the brain actually works and generates these images and just because you describe meaning to it doesn't really mean anything since meaning as a human idea.
And also you keep deferring to the god of the gaps argument just because science can't currently explain one thing that means that all of its bullshit, and therefore, my argument that has no evidence behind it is true and even if it does have evidence, it's only a little bit and it's still true and everything else is wrong and I'm going to site western scientists to prove that the entire community is wrong so you're really not proving anything

 

[DreamEnd]

They have universal meaning because those are ubiquitous Sapien, fascinations of power and sex and fertility and all of these sorts of things and also if you seriously think that about Western science,

Thats literally not true and I would trust Jung, Grof than you who has no experience in actually reading about different religious mythologies and spiritualities and combining them together to form an opinion of universal consciousness along with actual case studies of people under lsd written about in multiple thick books

then how are you using a phone that's running on electricity and taking a car to get places in a house that was built with materials engineered by us And taking medicine

Why do i have to love all things? I can love some things not the others

 

[DarkRange55]

Thats literally not true and I would trust Jung, Grof than you who has no experience in actually reading about different religious mythologies and spiritualities and combining them together to form an opinion of universal consciousness along with actual case studies of people under lsd written about in multiple thick books

Why do i have to love all things? I can love some things not the others

So if that's not true, and you're quoting that psychiatrist, why is it that that was literally his entire argument around archetypes?

So you're literally saying, some people took drugs, and they saw this, and therefore that proves my point?

Thats literally not true and I would trust Jung, Grof than you who has no experience in actually reading about different religious mythologies and spiritualities and combining them together to form an opinion of universal consciousness along with actual case studies of people under lsd written about in multiple thick books

Why do i have to love all things? I can love some things not the others

It's not that you love them it's that you use them and you're recognizing that that was brought to us by Western science

Thats literally not true and I would trust Jung, Grof than you who has no experience in actually reading about different religious mythologies and spiritualities and combining them together to form an opinion of universal consciousness along with actual case studies of people under lsd written about in multiple thick books

Why do i have to love all things? I can love some things not the others

Again, you're not a scientist and you're not an expert you're just quoting some other people and disregarding the entire scientific community which has produced things like airplanes and medicine and just saying because oh this doesn't currently have an explanation it must be bullshit. It really is insulting to all those actual researchers out there.

Thats literally not true and I would trust Jung, Grof than you who has no experience in actually reading about different religious mythologies and spiritualities and combining them together to form an opinion of universal consciousness along with actual case studies of people under lsd written about in multiple thick books

Why do i have to love all things? I can love some things not the others

I also feel bad for you that you have to believe that life has some special spiritual meaning, and that there really is more to life than just what we see because that really means you're unhappy with your life and I'm actually genuinely truly sorry for you because you can't just accept that life ends when you die and this is the best we're going to get that really is unfortunate. I'm very sorry for you. That's not an insult.

 

[DreamEnd]

So if that's not true, and you're quoting that psychiatrist, why is it that that was literally his entire argument around archetypes?

no it wasnt, it was freud who was an idiot. Jung correctly talked about universall unconscious and the symbols there some of them you can witness on lsd. His book psychology of alchemy is very meaningful for all lsd users

So you're literally saying, some people took drugs, and they saw this, and therefore that proves my point?

you see this is the kind of simple minded thinking i talk about. Yes, people for thousands of years have to guide their lives. This isnt anything new, drugs are tools

It's not that you love them it's that you use them and you're recognizing that that was brought to us by Western science

ok, i can still consider some parts of it shitty

 

[DarkRange55]

Thats literally not true and I would trust Jung, Grof than you who has no experience in actually reading about different religious mythologies and spiritualities and combining them together to form an opinion of universal consciousness along with actual case studies of people under lsd written about in multiple thick books

Why do i have to love all things? I can love some things not the others

I've had plenty of profound experiences and seen plenty of things on drugs, but that doesn't mean I need to attribute it to God or to angels or anything like that. It just means I gained some wisdom and I had a lot of introspection, but it doesn't make it spiritual.

no it wasnt, it was freud who was an idiot. Jung correctly talked about universall unconscious and the symbols there some of them you can witness on lsd. His book psychology of alchemy is very meaningful for all lsd users

you see this is the kind of simple minded thinking i talk about. Yes, people for thousands of years have to guide their lives. This isnt anything new, drugs are tools

ok, i can still consider some parts of it shitty

Yes, Freud was wrong about certain aspects but he was also the foundation of modern day psychology and psychoanalysis and was right about a lot of stuff Jung was also wrong about plenty of things…

 

[DreamEnd]

I've had plenty of profound experiences and seen plenty of things on drugs, but that doesn't mean I need to attribute it to God or to angels or anything like that. It just means I gained some wisdom and I had a lot of introspection, but it doesn't make it spiritual.

for you it didnt. I know some who didnt experience much. That doesnt deny the fact that it exists or that you can experience it. We know from reports of many hundreds of not thousands of experiences

 

[DarkRange55]

for you it didnt. I know some who didnt experience much. That doesnt deny the fact that it exists or that you can experience it. We know from reports of many hundreds of not thousands of experiences

No, you're basically saying the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but yes, it is because that's not how science works, personal claims, and personal experiences. Anecdotal reports are not proof of anything, no matter how large the sample size. Especially when these things can be explained by chemical pathways.

for you it didnt. I know some who didnt experience much. That doesnt deny the fact that it exists or that you can experience it. We know from reports of many hundreds of not thousands of experiences

If it makes you feel better to think that this is God, or some kind of spirit talking to you that's fine you're entitled to believe that, but you can't go around basically dismissing western science. That's the part I take issue with.

 

[DreamEnd]

No, you're basically saying the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence but yes, it is because that's not how science works, personal claims, and personal experiences. Anecdotal reports are not proof of anything, no matter how large the sample size. Especially when these things can be explained by chemical pathways.

To you they arent proof. To me they are and to grof and jung they were and I would take their stance against yours sorry

If it makes you feel better to think that this is God, or some kind of spirit talking to you that's fine you're entitled to believe that, but you can't go around basically dismissing western science. That's the part I take issue with.

Yes I can, it makes peoples lives miserable, without the connection to the spiritual we have a materialisticly minded society focused on consumerism and nothing else. People need access to the spiritual

 

[DarkRange55]

To you they arent proof. To me they are and to grof and jung they were and I would take their stance against yours sorry

Yes I can, it makes peoples lives miserable, without the connection to the spiritual we have a materialisticly minded society focused on consumerism and nothing else. People need access to the spiritual

I don't think that's true at all because I know plenty of people who are not religious and have never taken drugs and have very fulfilling interesting wonderful lives, and they don't suffer from depression, and they have wonderful families and are very happy and actually enjoy their lives, and these are people I'm very close to, so I know it's true. And if you're gonna say otherwise, that's just ignorant. Different people have different needs. People get meaning from different things. For some people it's from their kids and grandkids.

To you they arent proof. To me they are and to grof and jung they were and I would take their stance against yours sorry

Yes I can, it makes peoples lives miserable, without the connection to the spiritual we have a materialisticly minded society focused on consumerism and nothing else. People need access to the spiritual

The scientific community doesn't consider it to be proof and also you're quoting literally two people.

To you they arent proof. To me they are and to grof and jung they were and I would take their stance against yours sorry

Yes I can, it makes peoples lives miserable, without the connection to the spiritual we have a materialisticly minded society focused on consumerism and nothing else. People need access to the spiritual

Also, we can know if someone is truly happy by FMRI machines and those do not lie.

 

[DreamEnd]

I don't think that's true at all because I know plenty of people who are not religious and have never taken drugs and have very fulfilling interesting wonderful lives, and they don't suffer from depression, and they have wonderful families and are very happy and actually enjoy their lives, and these are people I'm very close to, so I know it's true. And if you're gonna say otherwise, that's just ignorant. Different people have different needs. People get meaning from different things. For some people it's from their kids and grandkids.

The scientific community doesn't consider it to be proof and also you're quoting literally two people.

I dont think you need to take drugs to have that need satisfied. I just think thinking of yourself as nothing more than a meat suit that will cease existing at the end of your life does not do people any good. But that is my opinion based on reading about it and observations of my friends