How to keep young people off this site

[Life_and_Death]

Is there something you enjoy in life? Or someone? Something that makes it worth living?

an actual answer.

i love life. gardening, baking, cooking, fixing cars, bowling, drawing, astronomy, nature, i love everything. i have my brothers and my grandfather. i put them first because they know nothing so it would hurt the most. theres also my cats. theyre literally my little babies and theyre always here for me when i need cuddles. i also have my husband and some awesome friends.

externally isnt the problem

 

[ZardozOmega]

Yeah, you're talking crap. Get rid of anyone below 18, let everyone else figure shit out by themselves.

 

[whywere]

Yeah I know there are a lot of young people on here. There's a mental health crisis of Gen Z and Millennials...forgive the American-centrism of those generation names...but those age groups whatever you call them elsewhere. So many were raised by overprotective parents with too much emphasis on material success as the way to be worthy of love. No wonder they are all suicidal.

I am not like you...I have been suicidal since I was a small child. I was abused by my father from a young age until I was 29. I am beyond fucked up. I'm so full of anger and barely functional. Every thing I have tried to do in my life has failed. I'm completely dependent on others for my basic needs now. I hate it and this is not what I wanted for myself but enough bad luck happened and here I am.

These kids might end up like me, but it's still better to wait and see because most of them won't. Most of them just need to move out of their parents house or graduate college and get financially independent and feel a sense of accomplishment and agency.

When you're 40 and up...things change. I don't know how or why, but if you haven't solved it by then, maybe then we can talk about suicide.

I am 64 years young, I turn 65 tomorrow, 03.12.2021. I 100% agree with you. My "parents" NEVER wanted me, called me "the mistake" to my face and in public all the time and when I was 18, they figured out that I was bi and kicked me out. They never spoke or had contact with me again ever, their choice. I am scarred for life from that, You hit the nail on the head as far as after 40 or so things change, and suicide might be on the table to talk about. But when, for me!!, real young!, when one is 20 or 20 something let ones wings open up, (move out of parents home) and see the world. Now everyone here is a global family member and has their own distinct view points, which makes us so strong here, BUT please do not jump all over me. This is just my thoughts and I respect ever ones thoughts here. We are ONE GLOBAL FAMILY! Walter

 

[frostedreef]

People of all ages can be impulsive?
What makes 30 so special?

Why is it assumed people younger than 30 aren't ready to handle information on this site.
If your point is to stop impulsive suicides there shouldn't be age bar that test should be for everyone?

Age doesn't equate maturity level.

I don't disagree with you, but if I'm not mistaken, there are quite a lot of people on here in their 20s. There was a thread a while back that asked people their ages and I was surprised that were so many young people under 30. When I was that age, suicide never even crossed my mind. Hell, I only became suicidal when I was 55. I definitely feel like an old man on this site at 59. I'm gonna see if I can find that thread and bump it.

I was the one that put up the survey as I was horrified reading CTB reasons like losing a boyfrien/girlfriend, a parent, failing in school, being bullied, etc.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

I was the one that put up the survey as I was horrified reading CTB reasons like losing a boyfrien/girlfriend, a parent, failing in school, being bullied, etc.

Those are the triggers, not the reasons. Peer beyond the surface.

 

[omoidarui]

After trolling the stupid FixThe26 people and reading their stories, I think maybe they have at least one point that young people....younger than 30 I'd say...aren't ready to handle what's on this website.

I'm in my 20s and this is patronising as hell

The potential of future improvement doesn't undermine present suffering, otherwise you may argue nobody should die, because there's arguably still hope at any time of your life, however scarce

I also think this suggestion will do the reverse of the desired outcome, this site and the information on it is all public so stopping under 30s from registering will simply restrict the one support network the person could've had that tethered them to life - as many people have said this site did for them. You can read about SN registered or not, the difference is you wouldn't benefit from the interactive element of the forum that could've helped you.

 

[rs929]

Those are the triggers, not the reasons. Peer beyond the surface.

I'm not following you.

 

[demuic]

I agree with OP. My reasons: there are a number of people, many, probably most of them, who want to commit suicide under the effects of a depressive episode. If the depression is treated successfully, they wouldn't want to commit suicide.
Most depressive episodes just go away in months/years without any treatment. People who commit suicide during this time would have changed their minds given enough time to recover.
Now, for those with a treatment resistant depression that lasts years, there is still a chance that there's something out there to try which could improve their life quality -and therefore changing their minds about suicide- maybe a TMS, ketamine shots, ECT, another kind of medication like MAOI's, etc.....
So it depends on each case but I suspect -I don't have evidence though- that a vast majority of people in their 20's (again I'm not saying EVERYONE) that want to commit suicide are under a temporary impairment of judgement that would go away with time or proper treatment.
So that's why I think OP idea is not bad. Maybe investing in the recovery section a little bit more, idk, more resources. I'm pro choice but I definitely believe that many people that come here don't really want to die, it's their depression speaking or they're crying for help. And it's true that the site is unable to "filter out" who falls in each category. I don't think that is possible but we have to find how to be more careful to bring assistance for those who are looking for a way out that may not be suicide - even if it looks like the only way out at the time

What a profoundly ignorant comment.

Let's ignore the fact that many people even if they wanted to seek treatment couldn't afford it or don't have health insurance to cover it, the fact that many of these treatments barely have effectiveness higher than that of placebos, that they can have detrimental side effects which may or may not be fully explained to you before they go on to affect you for the rest of your life.......

There are also tons of other life circumstances which lead to depression which also don't have any effective cure or treatment even if we lived in the magical land where depression, especially "treatment resistant " and lifelong depression could be successful treated with current medical science. Medication also won't take you out of whatever life circumstance you've experienced or are experienced, the treatment effectiveness for PTSD and the like seems even worse than depression.

If someone chooses not be forcefully drug around by the medical establishment leaping from possible cure to possible cure only to be bitterly disappointed each time, that is their choice.

The idea of depressed people not knowing what they really want has been used throughout time to strip them of their rights and liberties, justifying forced imprisonment and drugging.

The only thing you can control is your own life, the right to die is (imo) one of the most fundamental expressions of free will and self-determination.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

I'm not following you.

Then press the follow button.

 

[rs929]

What a profoundly ignorant comment.

Let's ignore the fact that many people even if they wanted to seek treatment couldn't afford it or don't have health insurance to cover it, the fact that many of these treatments barely have effectiveness higher than that of placebos, that they can have detrimental side effects which may or may not be fully explained to you before they go on to affect you for the rest of your life.......

There are also tons of other life circumstances which lead to depression which also don't have any effective cure or treatment even if we lived in the magical land where depression, especially "treatment resistant " and lifelong depression could be successful treated with current medical science. Medication also won't take you out of whatever life circumstance you've experienced or are experienced, the treatment effectiveness for PTSD and the like seems even worse than depression.

If someone chooses not be forcefully drug around by the medical establishment leaping from possible cure to possible cure only to be bitterly disappointed each time, that is their choice.

The idea of depressed people not knowing what they really want has been used throughout time to strip them of their rights and liberties, justifying forced imprisonment and drugging.

The only thing you can control is your own life, the right to die is (imo) one of the most fundamental expressions of free will and self-determination.

Sorry but I read till "what a profound ignorant comment" and that's it. I haven't disqualified or invalidated anyone like you are doing to me. Good luck

Then press the follow button.

Then press the follow button.

HA!!!! So clever.

No seriously, what are "the reasons"?.

 

[Sensei]

After trolling the stupid FixThe26 people and reading their stories, I think maybe they have at least one point that young people....younger than 30 I'd say...aren't ready to handle what's on this website. There needs to be an official, lengthy application process to get on here. You need to really prove that you're a mature adult who can make these decisions. It's always the college and high school students that are like "My boyfriend dumped me" or "I failed a test" or "I didn't get the sorority I rushed my life is over." and then they die because youthful impulsivity is a force more powerful than even SI...and leave SS open on their phones. They may have not been beyond help. Maybe they had crappy parents, but they may have been able to eventually break free of them and live a good life.

For some of us...like me in my 40s...there's no more things to escape from. This is my life. I am an adult now, I'm middle aged. There is no more hope. I've fucked up everything so many times over. I think I've earned my way into this world and into this suicide conversation.

If you're in your 20s and you think you should kill yourself...at least wait a bit. You might be wrong. Like, you really really might be wrong. There might be loads of hope for you.

Get mad at me if you want. Gatekeeping is not evil. Gatekeeping is incredibly important for maintaining the mission of a project or the goal of an institution or the vibe of a group. There has to be a gate. You can't just leave your front door wide open so anybody can walk in. Not a popular view these days but hey i'm suicidal and everyone hates me anyway so WTF do I care? I'm more honest here than anywhere.

Well put. I share your perspective and I can also relate to your situation. There are of course exceptions to the rule, but there always are, almost no matter what we talk about.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

HA!!!! So clever.

No seriously, what are "the reasons"?.

I don't have any great reasons, to be honest. I get a new follower, I don't know if you'll receive my newsfeed due to my settings but there's a chance you might. Not sure how it's really set up, lol.

 

[Aloken]

After trolling the stupid FixThe26 people and reading their stories, I think maybe they have at least one point that young people....younger than 30 I'd say...aren't ready to handle what's on this website. There needs to be an official, lengthy application process to get on here. You need to really prove that you're a mature adult who can make these decisions. It's always the college and high school students that are like "My boyfriend dumped me" or "I failed a test" or "I didn't get the sorority I rushed my life is over." and then they die because youthful impulsivity is a force more powerful than even SI...and leave SS open on their phones. They may have not been beyond help. Maybe they had crappy parents, but they may have been able to eventually break free of them and live a good life.

For some of us...like me in my 40s...there's no more things to escape from. This is my life. I am an adult now, I'm middle aged. There is no more hope. I've fucked up everything so many times over. I think I've earned my way into this world and into this suicide conversation.

If you're in your 20s and you think you should kill yourself...at least wait a bit. You might be wrong. Like, you really really might be wrong. There might be loads of hope for you.

Get mad at me if you want. Gatekeeping is not evil. Gatekeeping is incredibly important for maintaining the mission of a project or the goal of an institution or the vibe of a group. There has to be a gate. You can't just leave your front door wide open so anybody can walk in. Not a popular view these days but hey i'm suicidal and everyone hates me anyway so WTF do I care? I'm more honest here than aanywhere.

What the fuck? I'm really really mad right now. I didn't know I had to be 30+ to feel immense pain and to have the right to choose to leave. Oh that's right, I don't have to be 30+. Stop expecting young people to be immature. Stop expecting young people
to take over the fucking world. Stop expecting young people to be stupidly happy and not to feel fucking destroyed. Stop putting these burdens on us, stop shaming our pain and experiences. We are here too and we have the right to be here too. Stop trying to control our lives by even thinking that young people shouldn't be here. We don't have to justify our pain to you. We don't need to fill up a special report. Jesus Christ. Let us be goddammit, God fucking dammit. You can share these opinions, but I can fucking express my anger about them. Fuck.

 

[demuic]

Sorry but I read till "what a profound ignorant comment" and that's it. I haven't disqualified or invalidated anyone like you are doing to me. Good luck

Highly demonstrative of my point.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Highly demonstrative of my point.

 

[Makko]

Only wizards should be allowed on this site.

 

[Symbiote]

 

[rs929]

Highly demonstrative of my point.

Actually it's better to support one's point with empirical data.

Google Académico

scholar.google.com

I don't need to pick up a fight or troll because I'm right. The negative cognitive bias in depression has been long studied by science. Do your research before calling people ignorant

 

[Life_and_Death]

Highly demonstrative of my point.

actually @rs929 had a nice conversation and i had no problem with them

 

[Mentalmick]

Mods getting MMA training?

It's the only way the little bastards will learn.

 

[Life_and_Death]

that they can have detrimental side effects which may or may not be fully explained to you before they go on to affect you for the rest of your life.......

although they arent wrong about that part. thats why after looking into mood stabilizers i realized i need to find a different direction

 

[JipJopMop]

No way, I am 28 and have gone through years of pain and suffering, my suffering isn't belittled just because I am under 30. I still want to ctb, I don't want to be here.

 

[Wayfaerer]

You wouldn't be able to understand unless you've had a shit life. That can happen to anyone regardless of whether they are young or not.

 

[orangepotato]

If you're in your 20s and you think you should kill yourself...at least wait a bit. You might be wrong. Like, you really really might be wrong. There might be loads of hope for you.

I generally agree, with the EXCEPTION of if they are suffering a severe physical or mental illness.

 

[TwoTenEightyEight]

I largely agree with you, particularly when it comes to minors and their protection; though a minor is defined as anyone younger than 18 years of age where I live. I would not infantilize 29 year old adults. "Getting help" may be worthwhile for a lot of people of any age, just not everyone.

 

[CatabolicSeed]

I definitely agree that kids should NOT be on here, but younger than 30 is a bit much. I am 24 and a full adult.

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

I've been the way I am for as far back as I can remember and I've known since I was 11 that my suicide was a inevitability even with far less understanding of my problems at the time. My issues aren't so generic as to naively believe that spending another decade alive would change my mind or make life worth living.

I'm going to be extremely blunt and probably offend some people with this but I don't give a shit. I'm not the type of moron to impulsively kill themselves because of a temporary situation. Trying to invalidate peoples suffering with a arbitrary number is a pointless one; I had a better grasp of reality and my situation at age 11 than people two or three times that age who want to off themselves because they are failing school, lost their job, or whatever. A person's understanding of their present situation and their future is not always tied to their age and regardless of that you won't be able to stop them from visiting this site nor is it anyone's responsibility here to do so.

 

[◄✵火✵〇°Ø•WÅR•Ī°〇✵火✵►]

Loli and shota angels,

They bring light, love, peace, purity, wholeness, clarity and truth anywhere they are.

Why would anyone want to keep them out?

Loli and shota angels,

They need to have a safe haven too.

They need to have a place where they can be heard, comforted, reassured, supported, accepted, guided, understood, protected, loved and free too.

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Otherwise....

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[rs929]

According to "The Principles of SanctionedSuicide"

We accept that suicide is a valid, personal, ethical choice that everyone should be able to make, as long as they are within a rational, non-impulsive state

I agree with that, so I think we need to do something about the possibility of a depressed 20 something year old coming to this site because of a bad breakup, learning about N or SN and then commiting an impulsive suicide. I am pro choice but I also believe sometimes you don't know what you really want. So you may ask me "ok so are YOU going to tell me what I really want?". Well no but I want you to really put a lot of thought into it. It's highly likely that people in their 20's haven't had time to really think a lot. There may be exceptions, yes some people have a very profound insight when they're 12 compared to a 40 years old but I'm sure that's not statistically significat.
So, again, I don't know if restricting people by age is the best idea, but something has to be done to minimize irrational and impulsive suicides like the principles of the site states.

EDIT: I've provided a link to Google Scholar with research on the negative cognitive bias in depression. When you are depressed you filter out all the positive things in your life. You can believe that this was made up by doctors to put you in prison but I think it's real, specially because I went though it. I know sometimes my life sucks hard, but sometimes I can enjoy a few things here and there. A 20 year old who has been depressed his whole life might not even have had the chance to consider and put on the table the good things going on for them

 

[win32]

This is absurd. I'm 19 yet I'm severely disabled in multiple ways to the point of constant suffering and never being able to work, my highest education level is grade school, I have extremely abusive and controlling parents, etc.

That's not even all of it since there's more details it'd be wise of me not to say... I and others like me deserve access to this valuable information.

It's not impulse - I've felt hopeless and wanted to leave for years, despite trying to help myself. You don't get to decide whether the bodily autonomy of other adults is valid.