How to keep young people off this site

[rs929]

This is absurd. I'm 19 yet I'm severely disabled in multiple ways to the point of constant suffering and never being able to work, my highest education level is grade school, I have extremely abusive and controlling parents, etc.

That's not even all of it since there's more details it'd be wise of me not to say... I and others like me deserve access to this valuable information.

It's not impulse - I've felt hopeless and wanted to leave for years, despite trying to help myself. You don't get to decide whether the bodily autonomy of other adults is valid.

According to your username you've been messing with the Win32 API. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have trouble finding a job in the IT field.

Anyway, I respect your suffering and your decision if you eventually move forward with it. I hope you do agree though that within the 19 year old that wants to commit suicide population the vast majority aren't severely disabled.

 

[Good4Nothing]

Yeah you're right but gen x is also known as the babyboomer generation thata why i used the term. And in all honesty i think gen x is way worse then the boomer genaration, but this could be because i just had a lot of bad expierience with them

Gen X is not the baby boomer generation.
I'm Gen X (48), my parents are Boomers (70s). Two distinctly different generations.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Gen X is not the baby boomer generation.
I'm Gen X (48), my parents are Boomers (70s). Two distinctly different generations.

 

[win32]

According to your username you've been messing with the Win32 API. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have trouble finding a job in the IT field.

Anyway, I respect your suffering and your decision if you eventually move forward with it. I hope you do agree though that within the 19 year old that wants to commit suicide population the vast majority aren't severely disabled.

The amount and severity of mental (and even physical) illnesses I have combined with my lack of education makes employment a pipe dream. There is no reason for an employer to choose an extremely (and visibly) mentally and physically ill person who requires non-trivial accommodations and will have low output, over other well-qualified, mentally stable applicants.

It's true that most of others aren't disabled and otherwise fucked to the extent that I am, but the people who end up registering for this website are already extreme statistical outliers. The average moderately-suicidal 19 year old probably doesn't register here, they maybe only visit it as a guest couple of times at most. And if it's just over something like a breakup, they won't be determined to go through with it. If they do, there was more to it than that; going through with suicide from start to finish takes true desperation and precise planning if you want to get it done when you're young and lack money and privacy.

This website is the equivalent of providing harm reduction information for drug users. People who are determined are going to do it anyway, may as well make sure they do it right. Without access to this website, all that would happen is we'd choose a shitty method or do it wrong and suffer far worse than before or die extremely painfully.

 

[Meretlein]

I don't like the idea of judging purely on age. It is really about someone's situation, age is just one part of that. Countless people who are suicidal in their 30s and 40s have had the same persistent problems in their 20s.


As @Symbiote said, people wanting to kill themselves over trivial things often have deeper issues.

 

[Amumu]

As long as OP doesn't call the cops to prevent me from kicking the bucket, they can have all the opinions they want tbh
But OP your proposal isn't going to be accepted since almost all the mods (and probably the admins) are under 30 lmao

 

[BillyBob]

I have talked to a few younger people aged 16-24 and they are currently following euthanasia bills closely because they do not like what is happening in this world and the fact is these younger ones are more more knowledgeable then the majority of people makes one question what is going to happen in the many coming years.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

@notthisoutcome, you couldn't be more wrong! Some people are set up to be unhappy from birth. Whether it's growing up in poverty, or having overly strict parents who always argue with each other, or living in an intolerant culture as a mentally or physically disabled individual, or anything you can think of. And more often than not, such a persons KNOWS they're set up to be unhappy. To add insult to the injury, they're usually very intelligent, very sensitive, or both, so they can't even block out the misery with blissful ignorance. And until they become an adult, they don't have access chemical means, like alcohol or antidepressants, and that's IF they can afford the latter. Or online support groups, for that matter. That's nearly 20 years of being trapped in your own thoughts! And MHP's (therapists) are always useless at best, and drive you even further into depression at worst.

I myself first wished I was dead when I was 5. That's FIVE!!! And I had my first CTB plan when I was 8 or 9. Being one of those super-bright kids (who grew up into a mundane adult) didn't help. So you coming here and telling us that our misery is invalid or unworthy of discussion makes you look like a pro-lifer. And making pro-life statements should be against TOS, if it's not against it already. I hope the mods issue you an official warning.

I'm 37 now, and I have access to vast coping resources. From a late-night liquor store near my home, to an Effexor prescription, to a radical right-wing group I joined to break the Covid quarantine my state implemented. (In fact, that's what drove me to join this site, and is the etymology behind my name.) Whether I died from Covid or from SN poisoning, I couldn't care less at that point. I just wanted to feel happy, and willing to pay the price.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

Scare away the young by always keeping a post at the top of the list named something like ''what's a fortnite'' or ''Why is my son liking pictures of gay cat anime people on the internets'' the perceived boomerism of the place will immediatly make them click off.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

Scare away the young by always keeping a post at the top of the list named something like ''what's a fortnite'' or ''Why is my son liking pictures of gay cat anime people on the internets'' the perceived boomerism of the place will immediatly make them click off.

Fortnite: 2 weeks (when it's properly spelled "fortnight"), or some online video game about fighting battles.
Why is my son liking pictures of gay cat anime people on the internet: I have no idea, but most likely, it's nothing to worry about.

Did I pass?

 

[saltshaker]

- Fix climate change
- Bring all the jobs back
- Dismantle the cypherpunk dystopia most if them are trapped in

This site has like half a dozen warnings about being 18+ before registering, so i doubt it's this site that needs to change.

 

[bornintoagrave]

All this talk about age is making me feel like shit. My life went to shit at 28. I decided then to CTB. I found someone on the internet to do it with. We met and became pretty close but he later called it off. Anyway, it's only gotten worse since. That was almost 7 years ago, which blows my mind. Feels like yesterday. I've been stagnant for 7 fucking years. The thoughts have remained but obviously still haven't found the guts to do it. Most of us are dead already. We're just spanning time, being in denial, waiting for a miracle. My mind died 7 years ago.

Sorry. Not really on topic. I'm sad that all of you are struggling. I don't have any answers.

I guess I'm kinda glad I gave myself those 7 years. Who knows, I might go 7 more, provided it's not more of the same shit.

It's weird when you stop being able to function in ways you once could. I'm guessing it be like a really good pants model losing their legs. It's a form of death. Sure there are other ways of surviving but learning how to relearn how to do everything differently and also finding satisfaction and purpose doesn't come easy, if it comes at all.

I didn't lose anything more in the past 7 years. It all went out the window in one full swoop. I've tried to make things work but so far I'm still striking out and rambling endlessly.

I agree with the OP, but I also kind of disagree, too. Just because someone else's misery seems trivial to us doesn't make it so, I don't think. All of my psychiatrists think I'm insane for what "killed" me and left me incapacitated. They think I'm weak and dumb and pathetic, like most everyone else I've known. We can't control what stops us from functioning. We can try to overcome it, and we should try, but when does it just become a farce. When is it time to call it a night. I have no answers. I wish I did.

 

[BandAddict]

Although I can understand some of OP's sentiments and believe that they meant well, I can't agree with setting an age boundary beyond 18. Unfortunately, suffering does not discriminate against age, nor does age determine one's maturity.

I personally feel like my age doesn't have any bearing on my experience of suffering, as I feel the helplessness of both a child and someone far older than myself. A lot can happen in a short amount of time. We have to understand that we don't know (nor do we really need to know) the sum of everyone's experiences when they come here. The best we can do is comfort, provide options, and hopefully guide them to the least agonizing outcome.

People can start treatment at a relatively young age, which is arguably the best time to start. That doesn't mean it's going to work. Sometimes it makes things worse. I started to realize that I wasn't responding to treatment years ago. I still am seeking/receiving help again right now as a sort of "pit stop" but I feel like I know how this ends.

I still have quite a ways to go before I reach OP's proposed age requirements, but as doubtful as I am of myself and the validity of my struggles, I feel like I belong here as much as anyone decades ahead of me does.

 

[autisticalex]

The amount and severity of mental (and even physical) illnesses I have combined with my lack of education makes employment a pipe dream. There is no reason for an employer to choose an extremely (and visibly) mentally and physically ill person who requires non-trivial accommodations and will have low output, over other well-qualified, mentally stable applicants.

It's true that most of others aren't disabled and otherwise fucked to the extent that I am, but the people who end up registering for this website are already extreme statistical outliers. The average moderately-suicidal 19 year old probably doesn't register here, they maybe only visit it as a guest couple of times at most. And if it's just over something like a breakup, they won't be determined to go through with it. If they do, there was more to it than that; going through with suicide from start to finish takes true desperation and precise planning if you want to get it done when you're young and lack money and privacy.

This website is the equivalent of providing harm reduction information for drug users. People who are determined are going to do it anyway, may as well make sure they do it right. Without access to this website, all that would happen is we'd choose a shitty method or do it wrong and suffer far worse than before or die extremely painfully.

You seem to be able to write well thought out and comprehensive paragraphs, with a better English skill than like 95 percent of the world... There are plenty of jobs you could get, and the government gives incentives to hire people with disabilities anyway, a lot of big companies in the UK offer guaranteed interviews for ex armed forces and disabled people.

You could get a job if you tried.

And in your last point, the whole argument is that it is very hard to overdose on prescription medication, anyone that tries to overdose on it would most likely fail and receive mental health support, by providing ways for people to accurately take their own life the prevention of suicide through this method is removed.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

People can start treatment at a relatively young age, which is arguably the best time to start. That doesn't mean it's going to work. Sometimes it makes things worse. I started to realize that I wasn't responding to treatment years ago. I still am seeking/receiving help again right now as a sort of "pit stop" but I feel like I know how this ends.

Mental health treatment at a young age (that is, as a minor) always does more harm than good. That's because therapists, and especially family therapists, and doubly-especially women family therapists, always take the parents' side no matter what. (Except cases of severe physical abuse.) At the same time, most children's and teens' mental health problems are caused by parents. So telling a therapist about how your parents mistreat you is useless. One time I told my therapist about it, she LAUGHED AT ME. When I asked for an explanation, she said: "The way you say it, it's really cute." (In her defense, I did sound a little too dramatic when talking about it.) And when you're 13 and a guy, "cute" the absolute last thing you want an adult to describe you as. I quickly got the hint she was giving me: to shut up and stop complaining. Because she was on my parents' side, and was there to help them (with what exactly?!), not me. Needless to say, her job title was "family therapist", although I was seeing her alone.

 

[BandAddict]

Mental health treatment at a young age (that is, as a minor) always does more harm than good. That's because therapists, and especially family therapists, and doubly-especially women family therapists, always take the parents' side no matter what. (Excluding cases of severe physical abuse.) At the same time, most children's and teens' mental health problems are caused by parents. So telling a therapist about how your parents mistreat you is useless. One time I told my therapist about it, she LAUGHED AT ME. When I asked for an explanation, she said: "The way you say it, it's really cute." (In her defense, I did sound a little too dramatic when talking about it.) And when you're 13 and a guy, "cute" the absolute last thing you want an adult to describe you as. I quickly got the hint she was giving me; namely, to shut up and stop complaining. Needless to say, her job title was "family therapist", although I was seeing her alone.

That's horrible, I'm sorry. I've never been to a family therapist. I will agree with you about problems in childhood often stemming from home environment, and it's hard to out your parents without invalidation or possible consequences. I personally didn't say a lot about it out of fear.

I see the flaw in my suggestion, but my feeling was that early treatment (if it doesn't make everything worse, which in my experience, it did) could find problems developing and hopefully work on them before they spiral out of control. Mental illnesses lead to more mental illnesses sometimes.

I'm sorry you had that experience, those situations are the worst.

 

[autisticalex]

This is absurd. I'm 19 yet I'm severely disabled in multiple ways to the point of constant suffering and never being able to work, my highest education level is grade school, I have extremely abusive and controlling parents, etc.

That's not even all of it since there's more details it'd be wise of me not to say... I and others like me deserve access to this valuable information.

It's not impulse - I've felt hopeless and wanted to leave for years, despite trying to help myself. You don't get to decide whether the bodily autonomy of other adults is valid.

I was kinda in a similar situation as you and what helped me was I brought lots of shrooms off the darkweb, I spent everyday refining interview tips, going over my CV, applying for jobs and eventually I got a job. It was kinda more my mindset that limited me from getting a job than anything else, I would go into the interviews all shy and anxious and genuinely sweat. After doing shrooms I had 0 anxiety and just got a job easily and it really was my self that was limiting me from getting jobs before.

I moved out shorty afterwards with the money I was making from working.

Now I'm back into a depressed mindset but reading about your struggles, and how I went through similar issues that were fixed with shrooms makes me want to try them again.

If you can order SN off the internet to take your life with maybe it's worth ordering shrooms first and try them? Most people are scared of a bad trip but I would say a bad trip is better than dying in the eyes of most ppl. Please try it before you go.

Your posts really upset me because you are obviously smart, don't throw your life away. You are 19 now and haven't even moved out of your parents house.

Sometimes abusive parents can purposely sabotage their children so that they struggle to " leave the nest " and can be in control of them forever. Even if it is unconscious. You need to make it your priority to move as far away from them as possible.

When you have moved out you will see how smart you really are, and gain self esteem

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

I see the flaw in my suggestion, but my feeling was that early treatment (if it doesn't make everything worse, which in my experience, it did) could find problems developing and hopefully work on them before they spiral out of control. Mental illnesses lead to more mental illnesses sometimes.

Your suggestion is fine for "young people" who are over 18, and preferably not living with parents anymore. They have a chance of getting real help, not platitudes or mockery, like I did. Because there's only one person getting therapied, not the whole "family" (read: parents only), that person is the one the therapist is supposed to side with. Even so, it's hit or miss. There too many things you can't tell your therapist, like that word starting with S and ending with E, which this site "sanctions".

 

[Into The Void]

I partially agree with you. But it would be too cumbersome to require a lengthy sign up. Also if someone can join the military and die at war when their 18 then they should be allowed to commit suicide IMO.

 

[notthisoutcome]

Younger then 30? Excuse me im 28 and my skull is extremely deformed kind of shit you only see on the deepweb gore sites. you can say whatever you want im 100% sure this is probably a better reason to ctb then 99 % of the whole forum and you're telling me im to young? Whats your reason im pretty sure it doesnt even comes near mine. Holy shit boomers are dumb

40 is not a baby boomer. Don't fucking call me a baby boomer. Those are fighting words. Jesus Christ. Boomers are the reason I am suicidal. Do not call me a god damned baby boomer. I was born in 19-fucking-80. That actually makes me a Millennial. Look up what a baby boomer is. They are in their 70s right now.


And to everyone who hates me for this post. Let me clarify a few things.

1) My generalizations are in fact generalizations. Duh. They are not going to capture everyone. The idea is to reduce the likelihood that a teenager or a college kid will come to this site and die unnecessarily and get the FixThe26 moms angry and after us. Yes there are teens and 20 somethings who really have suffered trauma. There are 29 year olds who are sure, there are 31 year olds who are impulsive. But if we accept two things 1) You can never perfectly eliminate all the suffering in the world and capture every case and people will get left behind and 2) people tend to be more reasonable when they get older -- picking an arbitrary cut-off (which could be debated, 30 was just a tossed out idea) would REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD of young kids getting in trouble. Take a statistics class and try to understand the usefulness of generalizations.

2) The lack of mental health care that is BETWEEN "911/hospitalization" and "chit-chat therapy" thus constituting a middle level of severity is the real crime here. If there is no where for people of any age to talk about suicide then coming here to a site where you can learn how to do it is inevitably going to result in a lot of mistaken deaths. People need a type of treatment or intervention where they can openly discuss suicide without having the cops called on them. Any time I bring this up to mental health professionals or emergency responders they cut me off and say, "well well wellll no how can we know someone isn't lying? that's a slippery slope." So you are no better than they are by telling me I can't be a gatekeeper. Currently the SS website's view is that everyone should be allowed through the gate, and the outside world's view is that nobody should be allowed through the gate. Gatekeeping improves outcomes overall, even if a few people are missed. If you want to fight me on THAT, see point 1. Remember even that organization in Switzerland who wrote the peaceful pill handbook requires an application process to prove you are terminally ill.

Sorry I'm not an extremist. Maybe because I'm not an extremist I am not welcome here.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

40 is not a baby boomer. Don't fucking call me a baby boomer. Those are fighting words. Jesus Christ. Boomers are the reason I am suicidal. Do not call me a god damned baby boomer. I was born in 19-fucking-80. That actually makes me a Millennial. Look up what a baby boomer is. They are in their 70s right now.

And to everyone who hates me for this post. Let me clarify a few things.
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Sorry I'm not an extremist. Maybe because I'm not an extremist I am not welcome here.

OK, Millennial! (Since you don't want us saying "Boomer".) You have no business telling us how to feel! That's what MHP's are for!

You don't get to decide who gets on the bus! We do! That's why this site exists. You're making yourself look like an MHP infiltrator at this point. So unless you truly learn the purpose of this site and stop invalidating people's feelings because of their age, then kindly close your account and don't return!

 

[rs929]

40 is not a baby boomer. Don't fucking call me a baby boomer. Those are fighting words. Jesus Christ. Boomers are the reason I am suicidal. Do not call me a god damned baby boomer. I was born in 19-fucking-80. That actually makes me a Millennial. Look up what a baby boomer is. They are in their 70s right now.


And to everyone who hates me for this post. Let me clarify a few things.

1) My generalizations are in fact generalizations. Duh. They are not going to capture everyone. The idea is to reduce the likelihood that a teenager or a college kid will come to this site and die unnecessarily and get the FixThe26 moms angry and after us. Yes there are teens and 20 somethings who really have suffered trauma. There are 29 year olds who are sure, there are 31 year olds who are impulsive. But if we accept two things 1) You can never perfectly eliminate all the suffering in the world and capture every case and people will get left behind and 2) people tend to be more reasonable when they get older -- picking an arbitrary cut-off (which could be debated, 30 was just a tossed out idea) would REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD of young kids getting in trouble. Take a statistics class and try to understand the usefulness of generalizations.

2) The lack of mental health care that is BETWEEN "911/hospitalization" and "chit-chat therapy" thus constituting a middle level of severity is the real crime here. If there is no where for people of any age to talk about suicide then coming here to a site where you can learn how to do it is inevitably going to result in a lot of mistaken deaths. People need a type of treatment or intervention where they can openly discuss suicide without having the cops called on them. Any time I bring this up to mental health professionals or emergency responders they cut me off and say, "well well wellll no how can we know someone isn't lying? that's a slippery slope." So you are no better than they are by telling me I can't be a gatekeeper. Currently the SS website's view is that everyone should be allowed through the gate, and the outside world's view is that nobody should be allowed through the gate. Gatekeeping improves outcomes overall, even if a few people are missed. If you want to fight me on THAT, see point 1. Remember even that organization in Switzerland who wrote the peaceful pill handbook requires an application process to prove you are terminally ill.

Sorry I'm not an extremist. Maybe because I'm not an extremist I am not welcome here.

This is like Republicans vs Democrats, Beatles vs Rolling Stones sort of thing now. You're either anti choice and deny terminally ill patients the possibility of dying peacefully, or you give 18 years olds access to easier suicidal methods without giving them any kind of psychological assistance.
Welcome to the new SS vs FixThe26 world.

 

[Life_and_Death]

This is like Republicans vs Democrats, Beatles vs Rolling Stones sort of thing now. You're either anti choice and deny terminally ill patients the possibility of dying peacefully, or you give 18 years olds access to easier suicidal methods without giving them any kind of psychological assistance.
Welcome to the new SS vs FixThe26 world.

There's just too many variables. While this suggestion might be good for some it can only cause harm to others. Making them feel more desperate and more likely to be impulsive. I personally feel the best suggestion is let them stay but don't forget to remind them that they don't have to. Making sure someone is 100% sure isn't pro or anti anything. It's just making sure.

I feel I should also add that if they're going to be desperate and more impulsive it's most likely only going to cause them more harm. Reaching for the advil/laundry detegent/ect. Just something to keep in mind. Sometimes advice isn't so much to save them but to stop them from just getting hurt and being in a worse predicament.

 

[it's_all_a_game]

TBH, I actually kinda agree with OP that many young people under 25 or so (not just on this site!) ctb over reasons that could be fixed (I'm technically 24 so it's a tad hypocritical of me to say lol). That said, at the end of the day, it's someone choice to die whether others like it or not. You can accept someone's choice without agreeing with it personally; e.g., I don't personally like abortion but I sure as hell don't campaign against it, it's the woman's choice not mine

 

[Life_and_Death]

TBH, I actually kinda agree with OP that many young people under 25 or so (not just on this site!) ctb over reasons that could be fixed (I'm technically 24 so it's a tad hypocritical of me to say lol). That said, at the end of the day, it's someone choice to die whether others like it or not. You can accept someone's choice without agreeing with it personally; e.g., I don't personally like abortion but I sure as hell don't campaign against it, it's the woman's choice not mine

reminds me of:

 

[notthisoutcome]

OK, Millennial! (Since you don't want us saying "Boomer".) You have no business telling us how to feel! That's what MHP's are for!

You don't get to decide who gets on the bus! We do! That's why this site exists. You're making yourself look like an MHP infiltrator at this point. So unless you truly learn the purpose of this site and stop invalidating people's feelings because of their age, then kindly close your account and don't return!

LOL. the FixThe26 people thought I was an SS infiltrator when I tried to stand up for suicidal people, and SS thinks I'm an MHP infiltrator when I try to stand up for those who may be lured into a false sense of hopelessness.

This is the price you pay for not being an extremist I guess.

If you want to delete my account, fine, go ahead. I don't need this site. I can manage my own life or my own suicide whichever I decide. I don't need to be in an exclusive club. Also, there were people who liked my post, not everyone hates me or disagrees. So you should go find all the accounts who hearted or thumbed up or smileied my initial post and yell at them and tell them to delete their accounts, too. Gotta keep the ideology pure, after all. Can't have any nuance. Heaven forbid.

Online groups are all the same. Why did I even bother?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Fun fact, there's a reason millennials are often called "doomers". For some reason we have it even harder than the zoomers.