How do you justify eating meat?

[NaturalBornNEET]

I eat meat and don't justify myself at all, it's pretty amazing what a human can do when they move through life with minimal consciousness and care towards anything. Explains a lot of human history.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

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[NaturalBornNEET]

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It's interesting, this site has the highest concentration of vegans I've seen in any community. Must be hard to use the "but we neeeeed to eat and exploit animals to survive I'm literally a lion hear me roooaaar" bullshit when you can't even claim to want to live.

 

[Dejected 55]

I don't know why anyone has to justify eating meat OR not eating meat.

I do not like how horribly most corporate farms treat livestock, though. That's an easy one... I absolutely could not hunt and kill for food if I had to do so. In that scenario I would be a vegan by default. But I can accept that there are a lot of animals who would not even be here except for being bred as livestock. I just wish we had more farms where the animals had a good life before they were killed for food. I don't think their lives have to be horrible the whole way through.

I grant you, that probably says something about me... that I can justify eating meat as long as I don't see or kill it. I have to live with that. Truth to tell, I don't eat a lot of beef really. I eat zero fish. I do like chicken and turkey, those are the hardest for me to give up. I was vegan for a while after my heart attack and have stayed mostly off red meats since then... but chicken and turkey are back on the menu... though there are many good vegan substitutes now that taste great.

I wish they would progress more on the labs that are trying to just grow meat, without the animal... I think if they could get there, we could have our cake and eat it too... in that we could have actual beef, not substitute, without abusing any animals to get there.

Meanwhile, there are vegans and vegetarians who are too self-righteous and inconsistent... they have pets, and even if they treat their pets well, the pets are still not truly free, right? And we mostly got rid of circus performing animals and that horribleness, but we still have zoos... so we aren't perfect in many areas.

There are still experiments on animals too. While I don't love it, you can more easily justify testing medical things on animals than you can cosmetics. Fuck your perfume or cologne or lipstick needing to be tested on animals... but I'll begrudgingly understand some measure of medical testing that has produced results.

I'm a bit hypocritical... I get it. I don't sugarcoat it. I own my inconsistencies.

 

[NaturalBornNEET]

I don't know why anyone has to justify eating meat OR not eating meat.

I do not like how horribly most corporate farms treat livestock, though. That's an easy one... I absolutely could not hunt and kill for food if I had to do so. In that scenario I would be a vegan by default. But I can accept that there are a lot of animals who would not even be here except for being bred as livestock. I just wish we had more farms where the animals had a good life before they were killed for food. I don't think their lives have to be horrible the whole way through.

I grant you, that probably says something about me... that I can justify eating meat as long as I don't see or kill it. I have to live with that. Truth to tell, I don't eat a lot of beef really. I eat zero fish. I do like chicken and turkey, those are the hardest for me to give up. I was vegan for a while after my heart attack and have stayed mostly off red meats since then... but chicken and turkey are back on the menu... though there are many good vegan substitutes now that taste great.

I don't think it says anything about you if what you're implying is you're bad for it (that would make literally everything evil because we all have to manipulate our environment to survive as ourselves, basic metabolism. It comes down to a lack of caring/awareness in the exact moment you do the deed.

For most people they associate the food on their plate with cherished memories, love and fulfillment, all that is very real if that's how you perceive it, but there's always deeper levels happening, and yes when you analyse the source of all nice things in life they mostly always lead to a sacrifice or exploit of some sort.

I'm a bit hypocritical... I get it. I don't sugarcoat it. I own my inconsistencies.

As it goes, to claim you aren't hypocritical would be hypocritical. And inconsistency is how life moves, and contradictions are the building blocks.

 

[lainpilled]

I'm Native American and our own personal beliefs as well as what we practiced before the colonization of America was that we tended the the animals and plant life and earth and they tended us back. When we hunted, we would use the whole animal such as using the hide and *all* of the meat (not just the "desirable" bits) and we would harvest what we needed, making sure to leave enough so that the plants could grow back and that the animals could live and repopulate. It's beliefs that we still do today when we hunt and when forage, but it's obviously nothing that's practiced widely in the agricultural industry which is upsetting.

 

[Arlowantsushi]

I have been vegetarian for about 5 or 6 years and just recently had to start eating chicken once a week due to deficiencies that are causing me bad health problems.

I hate it and feel like a terrible person every time but my body doesn't absorb supplements properly so its my only affordable choice.

 

[SuicidalCurryBoy]

I don't.
It's wrong.
I'll deal with consequences as they come.

 

[woofwag]

Because me as one person not eating meat is not going to stop the meat industry from cranking out mass-produced slaughtering. Even if a significant portion of people stopped eating meat, the government would just subsidize it and do whatever they can to propagandize the fuck out of it i.e. the cheese caves lol.

Also you can't live without causing some level of harm. Everything is alive, mushrooms talk, trees and plants talk, everything wants to live, we have zero conception of the reality of how alive everything around us truly is. I'd eat a human if I knew it was sourced ethically. I'd eat fuckin roadkill, I really don't care. I still very much care about animal rights and consider myself a true animal lover (ALL animals, not just the fuzzy cute ones) but have accepted that I'm a carnivore at heart and me not eating meat isn't going to affect much of anything. Also, yummy!

 

[darksouls]

the majority of the commercial exploitation of animals is financed by taxpayers,
that is why I have not brought children into this sick world,
because I dont want to support that

 

[sshine]

Human life matters more than anything else right now. It's hard to care about animal suffering when so many people struggle just to survive. To me loving animals feels like a coping mechanism and the wrong priorities. Many would choose to save their pet over another person.

 

[darksouls]

every life matters, no living being deserves to suffer

 

[NaturalBornNEET]

Human life matters more than anything else right now. It's hard to care about animal suffering when so many people struggle just to survive. To me loving animals feels like a coping mechanism and the wrong priorities. Many would choose to save their pet over another person.

I agree that human wellbeing takes precedence over animals' right to life, not in theory though, just in practice. Considering 99% of us operate on that subconscious premise. Isn't it convenient though that we just happen to be humans in this universe that totally has it written in stone somewhere that humans are the most important and special and amazing people and we deserve everything?

 

[Dejected 55]

Human life matters more than anything else right now. It's hard to care about animal suffering when so many people struggle just to survive. To me loving animals feels like a coping mechanism and the wrong priorities. Many would choose to save their pet over another person.

It doesn't have to be a choice, though. You can care about multiple things at the same time. If you're faced with the "trolley example" and had to immediately choose between running over a deer and running over a human child... then, yeah, you have to choose then... but most of the time it's not an either us or the other animals situation. We kind of go out of our way sometimes to fuck over the environment and animals when we don't need to do so.

 

[gottacheckout]

every life matters, no living being deserves to suffer