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leloyon

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If u see the video will see why .460 magnum handgun, 2000 fps velocity.

Higher velocity causes more rapid more explosive expansion of hollow point bullets which delivers more energy to the brain

If I were to suicide with the shooting method I would use the longest barrel 12 gauge shotgun i can put deep inside mouth against soft palate angled 45 degree angle . Like a diagonal angle aimed at brainstem. I would use 3 inch magnum slugs or 3 inch magnum buckshot 00 or 000 or 0000 magnun buckshot.

Also could use a rifle especially a magnum rifle like a 300 win mag or 338 win mag

If I were using a handgun I would use the .460 Smith and Wesson magnum

If u see the video u will see why


This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas.
If I were in America, I'd just get a 9mm. To be honest, I'd probably use a .40 or .45, but that's moreso personal preference, I would know damn well that a 9mm suffices because I also know I will be aiming it correctly.

Any shotgun will do. I'd be iffy about those .410 revolvers, but otherwise they literally just work. Doesn't need to have a super long barrel.
Nor does it need to be pressed directly against one's soft palate, that just seems like a great way to make one's final moments as uncomfortable as possible.

Whether using a handgun or any other firearm, I would put the barrel just past my teeth and aim it slightly upwards, so that, if viewed from the side, it would appear as if it is pointing towards my ear. No protractor needed.

This post mostly applies for self defense but Jesus Christ... "Since that time millions of men carry pistol of 9 millimeters. Is good enough for them with stupid Geneva treaty ball bullet. Is good enough for you with ten roubles per cartridge hollow nose bullet and fancy brass of nickel plating." Terrible Slavic stereotypes aside, yeah. Hardened soldiers trust 9mm pistols loaded with standard FMJ rounds. I'm sure a 9mm loaded with JHP will do whatever it is that needs doing.
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Any thoughts on my rented boat idea?


It sounds good to me as long as the water isn't rough or you are not in some crowded bay. If you want to disappear too you could arrange yourself in a position on the edge of the boat in a way that you will fall off. That would be double fail safe: drowning, your SN, and of course the gun.
This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas.
If I were in America, I'd just get a 9mm. To be honest, I'd probably use a .40 or .45, but that's moreso personal preference, I would know damn well that a 9mm suffices because I also know I will be aiming it correctly.

Any shotgun will do. I'd be iffy about those .410 revolvers, but otherwise they literally just work. Doesn't need to have a super long barrel.
Nor does it need to be pressed directly against one's soft palate, that just seems like a great way to make one's final moments as uncomfortable as possible.

Whether using a handgun or any other firearm, I would put the barrel just past my teeth and aim it slightly upwards, so that, if viewed from the side, it would appear as if it is pointing towards my ear. No protractor needed.

This post mostly applies for self defense but Jesus Christ... "Since that time millions of men carry pistol of 9 millimeters. Is good enough for them with stupid Geneva treaty ball bullet. Is good enough for you with ten roubles per cartridge hollow nose bullet and fancy brass of nickel plating." Terrible Slavic stereotypes aside, yeah. Hardened soldiers trust 9mm pistols loaded with standard FMJ rounds. I'm sure a 9mm loaded with JHP will do whatever it is that needs doing.
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"This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas."

Why do you say that? In something like this you want to be very sure. You don't want to take any chances being left a half alive vegetable for years, or lying on the ground conscious but unable to move being eaten by animals. Overkill is better. 9mm is often considered somewhat marginal in police work. There have been numerous incidents where police have shot criminals multiple times with a 9mm and yet they are still fighting. I remember a video showing - not a person but a pit bull - shot 15 times with 9mm before it was stopped.

Also, very important point: The police and military likes 9mm handguns because they have high capacity, multiple shots. We don't have the luxury of multiple shots, just one.
 
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It sounds good to me as long as the water isn't rough or you are not in some crowded bay. If you want to disappear too you could arrange yourself in a position on the edge of the boat in a way that you will fall off. That would be double fail safe: drowning, your SN, and of course the gun.



"This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas."

Why do you say that? In something like this you want to be very sure. You don't want to take any chances being left a half alive vegetable for years, or lying on the ground conscious but unable to move being eaten by animals. Overkill is better. 9mm is often considered somewhat marginal in police work. There have been numerous incidents where police have shot criminals multiple times with a 9mm and yet they are still fighting. I remember a video showing - not a person but a pit bull - shot 15 times with 9mm before it was stopped.
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Why do you say that?
Because they are portraying it as if the only options, at least outside of shotguns, are prohibitively expensive and incredibly overkill. You do not need a (minimum) 800$ weapon designed to hunt large game to do the job. You do not need to completely destroy all traces of yourself, a la McNutt, to do the job.
In something like this you want to be very sure.
And this shilling of overkill weapons does nothing but make people unsure and uncertain about things which they should be very sure and confident in. And it's even lead people to becoming unsure of weapons that previously, everyone had been in agreement were the 100% guaranteed option that should eliminate any uncertainty. But with all the fearmongering, eventually even the guns everyone could agree would do the trick became "is this really adequate enough?"
You don't want to take any chances being left a half alive vegetable for years, or lying on the ground conscious but unable to move being eaten by animals.
And, if you aim properly, you won't.
Overkill is better.
This line of thinking does not take into account that some people do not have access to whatever ridiculously overpowered weapon they want, and needlessly sows doubt into their mind, as well as simply sowing the seeds of doubt into everyone in general. It is, once again, portraying anything short of the most powerful firearms on the market as being inadequate and thus having a high risk of failure should they be tried, which is blatantly false. I have noted previously that about 90% of handgun suicides are successful, and I am willing to bet that most of those are people who used common caliber handguns (9mm, .45, .40, .380, probably even .22) rather than the BFGs being suggested here as of late.
The insistence to shill the overpowered guns, and disregarding anything less as inadequate and likely to fail, is nothing more than needless fearmongering that serves nothing except to make people unreasonably scared.
How about we just tell everyone that unless one shoots themselves directly in the brainstem with an anti-tank rifle, they're going to survive and live as a vegetable for the rest of their years, and that literally anything less will just result in failure? Since, y'know, overkill is better and anything less than overkill will result in failure.
9mm is often considered somewhat marginal in police work. There have been numerous incidents where police have shot criminals multiple times with a 9mm and yet they are still fighting. I remember a video showing - not a person but a pit bull - shot 15 times with 9mm before it was stopped.
Those who consider 9mm inadequate are usually fudds and their opinions are typically subject to ridicule. And even if they weren't, what do they suggest? I'm willing to bet something along the lines of .45 ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum or 10mm, around that ballpark. Hardly the monster calibers being thrown around recently.
Also, when it comes to self-defense training, people are typically trained to aim center-mass, not at the head. We are talking about shots to the chest here, not a case where someone is aiming a weapon at their brainstem point-blank.
Adrenaline and/or drug use can account for most cases where people continue to fight after having been shot.
Also, very important point: The police and military likes 9mm handguns because they have high capacity, multiple shots. We don't have the luxury of multiple shots, just one.
And because they are lethal enough.
 
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I've read all of this but am so clueless when it comes to guns I still am not sure what the consensus is on the best gun and caliber to guarantee death? A shotgun with .45? Am I understanding correctly?
 
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I've read all of this but am so clueless when it comes to guns I still am not sure what the consensus is on the best gun and caliber to guarantee death? A shotgun with .45? Am I understanding correctly?
Unfortunately you're not. A shot gun has shells. Bird shot/waterfowl (less lethal smaller shot) buck shot (larger game bigger shot) the shot gun itself comes in gauges. A .45 caliber is for pistols/handguns. Handguns come in varying calibers. Smaller like the .22 to xl like the .50cal. Imo and most others who actually know, have fired and have experience with fire arms agree a shotgun in the mouth with buckshot will definitely kill you.
 
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I've read all of this but am so clueless when it comes to guns I still am not sure what the consensus is on the best gun and caliber to guarantee death? A shotgun with .45? Am I understanding correctly?
Shotguns do not use .45. .45 generally refers to .45 ACP, which is a pistol cartridge, though is used in some pistol-caliber carbines.
Generally, a shotgun (preferably 12 gauge) loaded with 00 Buckshot is recommended. However, if one opts to use a handgun, a 9mm is sufficient, however more powerful cartridges can be used if desired, .45 ACP being one.
 
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Because they are portraying it as if the only options, at least outside of shotguns, are prohibitively expensive and incredibly overkill. You do not need a (minimum) 800$ weapon designed to hunt large game to do the job. You do not need to completely destroy all traces of yourself, a la McNutt, to do the job.

And this shilling of overkill weapons does nothing but make people unsure and uncertain about things which they should be very sure and confident in. And it's even lead people to becoming unsure of weapons that previously, everyone had been in agreement were the 100% guaranteed option that should eliminate any uncertainty. But with all the fearmongering, eventually even the guns everyone could agree would do the trick became "is this really adequate enough?"

And, if you aim properly, you won't.

This line of thinking does not take into account that some people do not have access to whatever ridiculously overpowered weapon they want, and needlessly sows doubt into their mind, as well as simply sowing the seeds of doubt into everyone in general. It is, once again, portraying anything short of the most powerful firearms on the market as being inadequate and thus having a high risk of failure should they be tried, which is blatantly false. I have noted previously that about 90% of handgun suicides are successful, and I am willing to bet that most of those are people who used common caliber handguns (9mm, .45, .40, .380, probably even .22) rather than the BFGs being suggested here as of late.
The insistence to shill the overpowered guns, and disregarding anything less as inadequate and likely to fail, is nothing more than needless fearmongering that serves nothing except to make people unreasonably scared.
How about we just tell everyone that unless one shoots themselves directly in the brainstem with an anti-tank rifle, they're going to survive and live as a vegetable for the rest of their years, and that literally anything less will just result in failure? Since, y'know, overkill is better and anything less than overkill will result in failure.

Those who consider 9mm inadequate are usually fudds and their opinions are typically subject to ridicule. And even if they weren't, what do they suggest? I'm willing to bet something along the lines of .45 ACP, .38 Special, .357 Magnum or 10mm, around that ballpark. Hardly the monster calibers being thrown around recently.
Also, when it comes to self-defense training, people are typically trained to aim center-mass, not at the head. We are talking about shots to the chest here, not a case where someone is aiming a weapon at their brainstem point-blank.
Adrenaline and/or drug use can account for most cases where people continue to fight after having been shot.

And because they are lethal enough.




A shotgun is not only the most effective, but In most places a 12 guage shotgun is much easier to acquire legally and less expensive than a handgun, especially a rather exotic super high powered handgun, or even your 9mm for that matter.
 
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A shotgun is not only the most effective, but In most places a 12 guage shotgun is much easier to acquire legally and less expensive than a handgun, especially a rather exotic super high powered handgun, or even your 9mm for that matter.
Never said it wasn't, I was mostly arguing against the recommendation for a .460 S&W handgun or a .300 Win. Mag. or .338 Lapua Magnum. However, even in the case of the shotgun, it does not need to be pressed directly against the soft palate (just aimed at the brainstem, it is point blank either way; pressing it directly against the soft palate just makes it significantly more uncomfortable) and the barrel length will be sufficient no matter what shotgun is used.
 
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With a shotgun shell filled with buckshot, you have 5 or 6 projectiles entering your cranium instead of just one. Shotgun shot travels just as fast as a single bullet with as much force. Much more lethal.
 
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Transporting a shotgun after purchase - Options for transport kind of limited since I don't own a car.
One shop I went to said I would need a car, can't sell to someone who has to walk with a shotgun around (pretty sure it would be legal by state law, but its not really a gun state so I understand it would cause suspicion).
Would a gun case be enough, in anyone's experience? Head to shop by uber, and walk back?
 
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Never said it wasn't, I was mostly arguing against the recommendation for a .460 S&W handgun or a .300 Win. Mag. or .338 Lapua Magnum. However, even in the case of the shotgun, it does not need to be pressed directly against the soft palate (just aimed at the brainstem, it is point blank either way; pressing it directly against the soft palate just makes it significantly more uncomfortable) and the barrel length will be sufficient no matter what shotgun is used.


Yes, u r right about the soft pallet stuff. Maybe tho if it was inserted farther into the mouth and the lips closed around the barrel the gas release pressure would be greater.

Once I read that if you first filled your mouth with water it would cause your whole head to explode. I don't see how that would be practical though.

One fellow here had an original plan with his shotgun. He thought that the hardest part - overcoming SI - was pulling the trigger - just that one inch motion of the finger - and I know how true that is. His plan was to attach weights to the trigger attached to a cord, then point the shotgun at the side of the head, and then all you would have to do is release the weights and let it fall thus pulling the trigger, the theory being that just releasing the weights would be a much easier thing to do, relative to SI, than that one inch movement of the finger. I believe that he may well be correct.
Transporting a shotgun after purchase - Options for transport kind of limited since I don't own a car.
One shop I went to said I would need a car, can't sell to someone who has to walk with a shotgun around (pretty sure it would be legal by state law, but its not really a gun state so I understand it would cause suspicion).
Would a gun case be enough, in anyone's experience? Head to shop by uber, and walk back?


Of course you can't walk out of the store holding a shotgun. What you would do is bring a nondescript sack of some kind - not a gun case! - to put it in after breaking it down. The store though may well insist on you taking it out in its box and not permit you to handle it to break it down, tho they might do that for you. I guess that's up to them. If you need to bring it out full length in its box you would need a large enough sack or backpack.
 
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One fellow here had an original plan with his shotgun. He thought that the hardest part - overcoming SI - was pulling the trigger - just that one inch motion of the finger - and I know how true that is. His plan was to attach weights to the trigger attached to a cord, then point the shotgun at the side of the head, and then all you would have to do is release the weights and let it fall thus pulling the trigger, the theory being that just releasing the weights would be a much easier thing to do, relative to SI, than that one inch movement of the finger. I believe that he may well be correct.
Probably would have just as much SI attached to it as pulling a trigger, but that rig reminded me of the shotgun helmet.
 
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This entire post is stupidly neurotic. The part about the shotgun almost wasn't, but alas.
If I were in America, I'd just get a 9mm. To be honest, I'd probably use a .40 or .45, but that's moreso personal preference, I would know damn well that a 9mm suffices because I also know I will be aiming it correctly.

Any shotgun will do. I'd be iffy about those .410 revolvers, but otherwise they literally just work. Doesn't need to have a super long barrel.
Nor does it need to be pressed directly against one's soft palate, that just seems like a great way to make one's final moments as uncomfortable as possible.

Whether using a handgun or any other firearm, I would put the barrel just past my teeth and aim it slightly upwards, so that, if viewed from the side, it would appear as if it is pointing towards my ear. No protractor needed.

This post mostly applies for self defense but Jesus Christ... "Since that time millions of men carry pistol of 9 millimeters. Is good enough for them with stupid Geneva treaty ball bullet. Is good enough for you with ten roubles per cartridge hollow nose bullet and fancy brass of nickel plating." Terrible Slavic stereotypes aside, yeah. Hardened soldiers trust 9mm pistols loaded with standard FMJ rounds. I'm sure a 9mm loaded with JHP will do whatever it is that needs doing.
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That's ridiculous to say a 9mm is as
certain as a shogun or rifle .

R u saying a 9mm in suicide is 100% certain Death? If not what %?

A 300 win mag rifle can have almost 9 to 10 times the kinetic energy of a 9mm handgun see chart below.

A shotgun can go for $200 which is cheaper than a 9mm hand gun. and 300 or 338 win mag for $439 which is around what a 9mm costs


The most Important thing is that a suicide method is guaranteed or as close to guaranteed .

What is the lethality rate with a 9mm vs a shotgun or 300 win mag. Where are the stats

What evidence or rationale can u
Show that 9 mm is 100% Death or what % is it lethal?

Yeah if I had a lot of experience or wasn't so extremely distracted wanting to do 5000 things not related to my goals every day , then I would have practiced a lot and id have more confidence of not flinching before the shot

I mostly post to defeat my si and to keep suicide in mind cause I need to suicide.

I didn't mention lapua which is expensive. I said 300 and 338 win mag which can go fir $439

A lot of people wanting suicide with a gun have never shot before. I've only shot a few times.

In the following image one can see a 9mm handgun has muzzle energy of 362 and the $439 win mag rifle muzzle energy of 3548 almost 10 times the energy blasted into brain or head . Id go with the win mag. Why use a baby handgun when u can get a shotgun or win mag rifle
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Nothing is guaranteed except Death some day. But i want to leave as little to chance as possible

A win mag can fire a bullet 3200 feet per second. No one is surviving that deep in the mouth aimed up towards the brain.

3200 fps is .975 kilometer in one second

R u saying a 9mm in suicide is 100% certain Death? If not what %?
 
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Of course you can't walk out of the store holding a shotgun. What you would do is bring a nondescript sack of some kind - not a gun case! - to put it in after breaking it down. The store though may well insist on you taking it out in its box and not permit you to handle it to break it down, tho they might do that for you. I guess that's up to them. If you need to bring it out full length in its box you would need a large enough sack or backpack.
I was told the shotgun would come in default cardboard box/case packaging-obviously no one would walk around with just a shotgun. But to walk around for a longer distance with it, instead of putting the box immediately inside a car, a duffel bag or sack like you said around the case would be fine?
 
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I was told the shotgun would come in default cardboard box/case packaging-obviously no one would walk around with just a shotgun. But to walk around for a longer distance with it, instead of putting the box immediately inside a car, a duffel bag or sack like you said around the case would be fine?


Yes. You just don't want to attract attention. The plainer looking the duffel bag or sack or backpack the better. A big plastic garbage bag might even work.

You will pay for it at the store and do the required paperwork. Then they will wrap the box up or put it in some a large shopping bag. They wouldn't want customers walking out of their store with a prominently labeled gun so any prospective thief could see it. I don't think that would ever be done anyplace. But I would bring a large sack anyway. Then you could go home by taxi or Uber. You wouldn't want to dawdle on public transportation.

In the unlikely event the Uber driver asks what's in the sack, just make something up - fishing gear, athletic equipment, industrial machinery etc.

I don't know what kind of neighborhood you're in or how far away you are from the store. It shouldn't be a problem. There is no law anyplace saying that you must own a car to purchase a weapon.Why does the store need to know if you own a car or not? What are they going to do, follow you home?

IF they would break it down - remove the barrel - and throw away the box for you it would be much more compact, but they probably won't do that.

It should go very smoothly.

Are you planning to purchase ammo - shotgun shells _ at the same time? In most of the country you can do this online and have a better selection at a better price.

You can also purchase guns online, but it cannot be shipped to your residence (ammo can). It must be transacted through a licensed firearm dealer. Large scale gun sellers, like Bud's Guns, will have a list of licensed firearm dealers nearby. The paperwork would then be conducted there. They will charge a fee - about $15-35 for their service. You can often get a better price doing it this way.

Some places have made it illegal to have ammo mailed to you - the usual suspects, NY, NJ, CA, etc.
 
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If I were in America, I'd just get a 9mm. To be honest, I'd probably use a .40 or .45, but that's moreso personal preference, I would know damn well that a 9mm suffices because I also know I will be aiming it correctly.

Any shotgun will do. I'd be iffy about those .410 revolvers, but otherwise they literally just work. Doesn't need to have a super long barrel.
Nor does it need to be pressed directly against one's soft palate, that just seems like a great way to make one's final moments as uncomfortable as possible.
This is the conclusion I've come to as well. I know nothing about guns except what I've read and watched on the web. A 9mm, a .40 or a .45 will all penetrate a skull, which means that if you're shooting through the mouth, it will blow out the back of the skull. I'm assuming a high powered bullet is used, but really, it seems like they're all powerful enough. Of course, I plan to get the highest powered ammo I can. Also, looking at size of the bullets, it's going to be hard NOT to hit the medulla so long as the aim is toward the ear like you said.

I could get a rifle but it seems so much clumsier to handle. I swear that 10% failure rate with gun suicides has to include a bunch of people who are shooting through the temple or upward under the jaw and missing the brain.
 
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This is the conclusion I've come to as well. I know nothing about guns except what I've read and watched on the web. A 9mm, a .40 or a .45 will all penetrate a skull, which means that if you're shooting through the mouth, it will blow out the back of the skull. I'm assuming a high powered bullet is used, but really, it seems like they're all powerful enough. Of course, I plan to get the highest powered ammo I can. Also, looking at size of the bullets, it's going to be hard NOT to hit the medulla so long as the aim is toward the ear like you said.

I could get a rifle but it seems so much clumsier to handle. I swear that 10% failure rate with gun suicides has to include a bunch of people who are shooting through the temple or upward under the jaw and missing the brain.
Imo higher velocity is best

This ammunition is almost at rifle or ar-15 speeds

I found 9mm ammunition over 2000 feet per second. But the gun has to be rated +p

The video shows the ammo and why velocity is king

 
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Guys, we're talking about a suicide involving a human skull, not taking down a T-Rex. When someone puts a gun in their mouth, the weapon isn't in Zurich with the target in Timbuktu the distance is minimal, the shot travels just a few centimeters, straight and unimpeded. And between the muzzle and the brain, there's no boron carbide armor or silicon carbide plate just flesh, mucosa, and a thin layer of brittle bone. You're not blasting through a bunker. It only takes one act.

Sometimes I get the impression that in this forum someone thinks they are immortal. 🤔
 
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Guys, we're talking about a suicide involving a human skull, not taking down a T-Rex. When someone puts a gun in their mouth, the weapon isn't in Zurich with the target in Timbuktu the distance is minimal, the shot travels just a few centimeters, straight and unimpeded. And between the muzzle and the brain, there's no boron carbide armor or silicon carbide plate just flesh, mucosa, and a thin layer of brittle bone. You're not blasting through a bunker. It only takes one act.

Sometimes I get the impression that in this forum someone thinks they are immortal. 🤔
Yes but for me I am just TERRIFIED to have it somehow bounce off certain bones and survive. I have seen people where it just tears up their face.

Recently I saw a guy who shot himself in the temple (I am a radiologist so I've seen many suicide patients) and it only hit his frontal lobes and somehow obliterated his eyeballs and face. He survived and was conscious until a few weeks later he died. I would NOT want to suffer weeks of that hell.
 
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Yes but for me I am just TERRIFIED to have it somehow bounce off certain bones and survive. I have seen people where it just tears up their face.

Recently I saw a guy who shot himself in the temple (I am a radiologist so I've seen many suicide patients) and it only hit his frontal lobes and somehow obliterated his eyeballs and face. He survived and was conscious until a few weeks later he died. I would NOT want to suffer weeks of that hell.
I would like to step in to clarify some clinical and anatomical inaccuracies in your message. A radiologist does not have direct contact with patients who survive firearm suicide attempts, nor do they follow their clinical progression; they deal solely with diagnostic imaging, and in most successful suicides, no imaging is ever performed because death is immediate. Your account mixes anatomical concepts incorrectly: the frontal lobes are not in the path of a shot that destroys both eyeballs. The eyeballs are anterior and inferior to the frontal lobes and separated by bony walls; it's anatomically inconsistent to claim that a single bullet hit "only the frontal lobes" while also destroying the eyeballs. Such a trajectory would require implausible deviations under real-world conditions. Moreover, someone with bilateral frontal damage and destroyed eyeballs does not remain conscious and lucid for weeks: this kind of cranial trauma results in loss of consciousness, vegetative states, coma, or delirium. Your description of "remaining lucid in hell" is an emotional dramatization, not clinically compatible with the type of injury you're describing. Likewise, the phrase "simply tore the face" is deeply misleading: facial gunshot wounds are never simple lacerations—they involve explosive fractures, destruction of soft tissue, and often traumatic amputations. If the goal is to raise awareness, it should be done with accuracy; constructing dramatic narratives without technical foundation helps no one and only spreads misinformation.
 
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I would like to step in to clarify some clinical and anatomical inaccuracies in your message. A radiologist does not have direct contact with patients who survive firearm suicide attempts, nor do they follow their clinical progression; they deal solely with diagnostic imaging, and in most successful suicides, no imaging is ever performed because death is immediate. Your account mixes anatomical concepts incorrectly: the frontal lobes are not in the path of a shot that destroys both eyeballs. The eyeballs are anterior and inferior to the frontal lobes and separated by bony walls; it's anatomically inconsistent to claim that a single bullet hit "only the frontal lobes" while also destroying the eyeballs. Such a trajectory would require implausible deviations under real-world conditions. Moreover, someone with bilateral frontal damage and destroyed eyeballs does not remain conscious and lucid for weeks: this kind of cranial trauma results in loss of consciousness, vegetative states, coma, or delirium. Your description of "remaining lucid in hell" is an emotional dramatization, not clinically compatible with the type of injury you're describing. Likewise, the phrase "simply tore the face" is deeply misleading: facial gunshot wounds are never simple lacerations—they involve explosive fractures, destruction of soft tissue, and often traumatic amputations. If the goal is to raise awareness, it should be done with accuracy; constructing dramatic narratives without technical foundation helps no one and only spreads misinformation.
You seem to have misunderstood. Yes, I don't see all the successful ones, only the ones where the patient survives for enough time to be taken to hospital and imaged. I DO ALWAYS follow them throughout their hospital stay because I like to know if they end up surviving and their clinical course. I read their notes daily and many times they get imaged again and again and yes most of them end up dying but it takes weeks. I have seen a few survive when the damage was only small linear through and through.

Yeah, the weird trajectory is what terrifies me. The bullet entrance was in the temporal skull and according to notes he shot himself in the temporal region. So I cannot fathom how it ended up blasting out his eyeballs/face and only hit his frontal lobes...very worried if I tried it somehow the bullet would end up just obliterating my face. Don't want to take that chance. I've seen case reports of people surviving when they bullet just hit their face, there is actually a youtube interview with a teen who tried to shoot himself and that happened.

People can survive without part of the frontal lobe. Ever hear of lobotomies?! He was talking according to the clinical and EMS notes. They ended up intubating him and putting him in a vegetative state once at the hospital though which is good. The time from the shot to when he was eventually intubated he must have been in so much pain and suffering. I won't go into detail about it, but the clinical notes painted a clear picture he fully knew what was happening and was in pain, it was sad to read. I fear that type of pain.

By torn up, I meant OBLITERATED! Like this guy, nothing was left, his eyeballs were completely GONE alone with the skin and bones. It just makes me so nervous that the same would happen to me because this is my method of choice.
 
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