FSH Question?

[Catchthebusnow]

Hello! Does anyone have any sense of how *loud* doing the whole hanging over the door with the dumbbell technique is? Like during the convulsions? Is the idea that since you're constrained by the rope, you're right up against the door, so you might rub against it but you're not going to hit it?

Originally, I really wanted to jump from a hotel or AirBNB but finding a suitable place is not working out. When I read about the dumbbell hanging method I thought : maybe this could work? No need to go anywhere? Only thing is, I would be doing it against the door that connects our basement to the garage (on the garage facing side of the door) in the middle of the night, with my dad two floors up in his room…I would try to see if he was asleep before heading down, but if he wakes up … I just can't tell if this is something that would be mostly a lot of scraping / rubbing against the door and unlikely to get saved or whether it's super loud, or what …
Any thoughts whatsoever would be SO appreciated, thank you

 

[Nullm]

Once you jump, you will probably do everything in your power to try get out. so I guess it depends on the material of the door, or the wall around it, and how much noise does it make when getting hit.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Once you jump, you will probably do everything in your power to try get out. so I guess it depends on the material of the door, or the wall around it, and how much noise does it make when getting hit.

Thank you for your reply!! I don't think I will because my brain has been destroyed by psych meds and I no longer experience any emotions, including fear. I can be in life threatening situations and feel total chemical calm (not in a good calm kind of way, but rather like an unnatural brain-dead lack of reaction) no fight or flight, adrenaline, panic, stress response whatsoever. So actually no issue with SI. But I'm worried about the unconscious convulsions that I've heard people talking about… I just can't seem to find good information on how forceful they are, because if I'm just sort of twitching against the door, or a hand strikes the door, maybe that's fine, but idk if they are more than that?

 

[Catchthebusnow]

I'm just so desperate and I need to CTB, I'm trying to draw out / reason out / visualize, if my body is up against the door, whether that effectively constrains my motions / the force I can generate / what I can do to that door, lol in terms of causing noise. I know we're not supposed to use AI for this stuff but I told ChatGPT I'm a "forensic investigator" lol and it seems to think that the movements would be more like rubbing, scraping, dull irregular limb/hand/foot contact … obviously I know not to put my faith in this but it does give me some hope … I just feel like there must be a way to reason this out. This may be the only method accessible to me, and that's not going to change any time soon. I cannot live in this chemically lobotomized state in which I literally cannot feel love for my family, grief, sadness, etc., it's a state incompatible with human life. I'd rather try something even if it's not 100% than continue on in this state … but I'm also not going to try something if it's pretty clearly going to fail … it's just, I would hate to pass on this method because of a concern about being heard that's not rooted in reality.
I've read a lot of the AMAZING information put out there by @JesiBel @AreWeWinning @Worndown
I'm sure you're all super busy but if you have any thoughts whatsoever I would appreciate it so much!
Thanks SaSu

 

[Worndown]

Some peoole go quietly.
Some flop around like a caught fish.
Plan on flopping and banging around. That means being alone for 30 minutes after starting.
Practice your setup. That way, when you have the time, you just grab and go.

 

[JesiBel]

I'm just so desperate and I need to CTB, I'm trying to draw out / reason out / visualize, if my body is up against the door, whether that effectively constrains my motions / the force I can generate / what I can do to that door, lol in terms of causing noise. I know we're not supposed to use AI for this stuff but I told ChatGPT I'm a "forensic investigator" lol and it seems to think that the movements would be more like rubbing, scraping, dull irregular limb/hand/foot contact … obviously I know not to put my faith in this but it does give me some hope … I just feel like there must be a way to reason this out. This may be the only method accessible to me, and that's not going to change any time soon. I cannot live in this chemically lobotomized state in which I literally cannot feel love for my family, grief, sadness, etc., it's a state incompatible with human life. I'd rather try something even if it's not 100% than continue on in this state … but I'm also not going to try something if it's pretty clearly going to fail … it's just, I would hate to pass on this method because of a concern about being heard that's not rooted in reality.
I've read a lot of the AMAZING information put out there by @JesiBel @AreWeWinning @Worndown
I'm sure you're all super busy but if you have any thoughts whatsoever I would appreciate it so much!
Thanks SaSu

Hello!

I'm very sorry you're in a desperate situation. I think it's risky to make an attempt when there's someone else in the house.

You should be alone to avoid being found prematurely (you know, the longer the brain is without oxygen, the greater the damage..); you never know if for some reason he might wake up and try to find you.

Suspicious movements during the night are easily audible if you are a light sleeper (footsteps, a door opening or closing, someone moving things or being active)

Regarding noises, it is likely that some sounds will be emitted; the body is against the door, and during the convulsion/spasm phase your limbs could move involuntarily and hit the surface of the door. (We cannot know beforehand what will happen to each of us at that moment; some people exhibit more intense movements, while others remain almost still throughout the entire process). Also, when you kick the chair or object you're standing on, it will also make some noise.

Please, don't rush; being impulsive isn't good. It is advisable not to play with the odds (maybe he'll wake up... maybe not, there's no certainty about this).

It would be better if you could wait for another time, when everything is safer. Even now, in your current state, it is preferable to remain calm and clear-headed.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

@JesiBel @Worndown
Thank you so, so much for the replies!!!!
Ah that makes sense … I guess better not risk it :/

I guess the same would apply for a hotel room doing the over the door trick? Do you think others would hear banging? Would they just ignore ? …

I wonder if I could do one of those doorway pull up bars. I've seen people talk about using the freestanding ones. It's just the doorway ones seem unreliable though. Do you guys know of any other "hacks" like this?

I guess an AirBNB that's like a whole house could work for the over door trick? The only thing then would be if they have cameras inside despite the rule, or noise sensors …

Any thoughts? Thank you so much again for replying!

 

[JesiBel]

@JesiBel @Worndown
Thank you so, so much for the replies!!!!
Ah that makes sense … I guess better not risk it :/

I guess the same would apply for a hotel room doing the over the door trick? Do you think others would hear banging? Would they just ignore ? …

I wonder if I could do one of those doorway pull up bars. I've seen people talk about using the freestanding ones. It's just the doorway ones seem unreliable though. Do you guys know of any other "hacks" like this?

I guess an AirBNB that's like a whole house could work for the over door trick? The only thing then would be if they have cameras inside despite the rule, or noise sensors …

Any thoughts? Thank you so much again for replying!

Yes, it's better to wait. You should have a well-thought-out plan and not act in a "strange" way that might attract the attention of others or alert them. This applies to any method and attempt.

So, don't rush, take things calmly. You can have your method planned to the last detail, and that's all it is; it's just information. An attempt shouldn't be a desperate act. If you feel overwhelmed by negative emotions, stop and recognize that you are being impulsive; a hasty decision made at that moment would not be a good idea.

Regarding the questions..

I think the situation is different in a hotel, since nobody knows you and everyone is busy with their own affairs (especially during the day when there is more activity). You'll be alone in the room, and you can turn on the TV for background noise to mask any suspicious sounds.

The bathroom door could be an anchor point, or perhaps you could find another one in the room. It's hard to know since rooms are usually designed to prevent these actions (ctb); most have completely smooth surfaces without protrusions or bars/hooks.

Personally, I don't find the doorway pull up bars very reliable.. They tend to come loose, or at least that's what I've seen in "funny video compilations" lol I wouldn't use anything that isn't properly and securely fixed to the wall.

The freestanding pull up bar would be a good option, if it is sturdy and of good quality. Although suspicious if you don't exercise and one day you show up at home with one of those. Don't underestimate the people you live with; they know you well.

An Airbnb is also a good option, as you mentioned; (in certain more violent or problematic areas) they might have security cameras. You'd have to check the place.. since it's impossible to know beforehand. I don't think it's legal for them to have cameras inside the house for privacy reasons, I'm not sure about that.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Yes, it's better to wait. You should have a well-thought-out plan and not act in a "strange" way that might attract the attention of others or alert them. This applies to any method and attempt.

So, don't rush, take things calmly. You can have your method planned to the last detail, and that's all it is; it's just information. An attempt shouldn't be a desperate act. If you feel overwhelmed by negative emotions, stop and recognize that you are being impulsive; a hasty decision made at that moment would not be a good idea.

Regarding the questions..

I think the situation is different in a hotel, since nobody knows you and everyone is busy with their own affairs (especially during the day when there is more activity). You'll be alone in the room, and you can turn on the TV for background noise to mask any suspicious sounds.

The bathroom door could be an anchor point, or perhaps you could find another one in the room. It's hard to know since rooms are usually designed to prevent these actions (ctb); most have completely smooth surfaces without protrusions or bars/hooks.

Personally, I don't find the doorway pull up bars very reliable.. They tend to come loose, or at least that's what I've seen in "funny video compilations" lol I wouldn't use anything that isn't properly and securely fixed to the wall.

The freestanding pull up bar would be a good option, if it is sturdy and of good quality. Although suspicious if you don't exercise and one day you show up at home with one of those. Don't underestimate the people you live with; they know you well.

An Airbnb is also a good option, as you mentioned; (in certain more violent or problematic areas) they might have security cameras. You'd have to check the place.. since it's impossible to know beforehand. I don't think it's legal for them to have cameras inside the house for privacy reasons, I'm not sure about that.

Thank you thank you! Really appreciate your reply! Honestly so grateful for this site … it's something I never thought I'd need, and now that I do, it's amazing to have this space.

I was wondering … in terms of the dumbbell + door setup - this is stable, right?? I honestly was so thrilled when I read about it - I was like oh my gosh maybe I CAN do FSH, lol. It's just so different than what I think of as the typical "hanging" that part of me keeps thinking is it too good to be true? Why isn't everyone doing it then? And envisioning doors crashing down, coming off their hinges, etc. makes me wish I studied physics more so I fully understood all this hanging stuff, lol. It seems like there's hollow core doors and solid core? So I think the one in the hotel room would be hollow core so not strong enough? Ugh ugh ugh. That leaves Airbnb, if I was to get a whole house, maybe I could use the door leading into garage which should be solid core. Oh, and I will have to find some way to notify so that people don't have to find the body unexpectedly …
I wonder if the sound of the door method would be loud enough to trigger one of those noise detectors a lot of them have for parties
CTB sure is complicated :/
Again thank you SO much for responding!! It means a lot!

 

[JesiBel]

Thank you thank you! Really appreciate your reply! Honestly so grateful for this site … it's something I never thought I'd need, and now that I do, it's amazing to have this space.

I was wondering … in terms of the dumbbell + door setup - this is stable, right?? I honestly was so thrilled when I read about it - I was like oh my gosh maybe I CAN do FSH, lol. It's just so different than what I think of as the typical "hanging" that part of me keeps thinking is it too good to be true? Why isn't everyone doing it then? And envisioning doors crashing down, coming off their hinges, etc. makes me wish I studied physics more so I fully understood all this hanging stuff, lol. It seems like there's hollow core doors and solid core? So I think the one in the hotel room would be hollow core so not strong enough? Ugh ugh ugh. That leaves Airbnb, if I was to get a whole house, maybe I could use the door leading into garage which should be solid core. Oh, and I will have to find some way to notify so that people don't have to find the body unexpectedly …
I wonder if the sound of the door method would be loud enough to trigger one of those noise detectors a lot of them have for parties
CTB sure is complicated :/
Again thank you SO much for responding!! It means a lot!

I agree, the forum is a very useful place, especially because we can openly discuss various topics, exchange experiences, and feel supported by other people who will understand us without judging.

About the door + dumbbell setup..
Were you able to read this thread? There's a lot of information; it's quite long.

To determine if it's stable, you'll need to test it.
You would have to assemble everything in place and on the side where the ligature would go.. take the rope with your hands and hang from it applying all your weight (do this several times to make sure it is strong).

Important. Check if the door is in good condition, as are its hinges, and if it has a frame (its structural support). Also, you must be able to lock the door with keys or a latch, so that it cannot be opened under any circumstances.
Because if it were to open for some reason mid-attempt.. it would be risky (since you have deprived the brain of oxygen for who knows how long, it is the same scenario as if someone finds you ahead of time).

I think many don't choose the door as an anchor point (for full suspension hanging) because they are too tall. Another drawback is that the rope might not allow them to close the door; perhaps the space between the frame and the door is too narrow and they can't use it as an anchor point.

Hmm, it's impossible to know what kind of door you'll find in the hotel (hollow/solid core)... but for the bathroom, being a humid place, I don't think they'll put a poor quality door that would deteriorate easily... But who knows...

Regarding noise detectors in a house, I understand they activate when the noises are too loud. They are a safety measure for the homeowners, they track sound decibel. For example, they can prevent violent situations, as they will activate if they hear screams, or situations where neighbors might be bothered, such as parties with loud music.

Sorry, almost everything requires a prior exploration of the place. (But it's good, because it prevents impulsive attempts)

 

[Catchthebusnow]

I agree, the forum is a very useful place, especially because we can openly discuss various topics, exchange experiences, and feel supported by other people who will understand us without judging.

About the door + dumbbell setup..
Were you able to read this thread? There's a lot of information; it's quite long.

To determine if it's stable, you'll need to test it.
You would have to assemble everything in place and on the side where the ligature would go.. take the rope with your hands and hang from it applying all your weight (do this several times to make sure it is strong).

Important. Check if the door is in good condition, as are its hinges, and if it has a frame (its structural support). Also, you must be able to lock the door with keys or a latch, so that it cannot be opened under any circumstances.
Because if it were to open for some reason mid-attempt.. it would be risky (since you have deprived the brain of oxygen for who knows how long, it is the same scenario as if someone finds you ahead of time).

I think many don't choose the door as an anchor point (for full suspension hanging) because they are too tall. Another drawback is that the rope might not allow them to close the door; perhaps the space between the frame and the door is too narrow and they can't use it as an anchor point.

Hmm, it's impossible to know what kind of door you'll find in the hotel (hollow/solid core)... but for the bathroom, being a humid place, I don't think they'll put a poor quality door that would deteriorate easily... But who knows...

Regarding noise detectors in a house, I understand they activate when the noises are too loud. They are a safety measure for the homeowners, they track sound decibel. For example, they can prevent violent situations, as they will activate if they hear screams, or situations where neighbors might be bothered, such as parties with loud music.

Sorry, almost everything requires a prior exploration of the place. (But it's good, because it prevents impulsive attempts)

Definitely!! This truly is a unique space.

I did!! It was incredibly helpful and detailed. The images were super useful.

Thank you for the information!! Now I'm starting to wonder whether I should do partial … because of the risk of noise of FSH plus I wouldn't necessarily be able to test the hotel/airbnb setup ahead of time because that would mean sneaking out at night and then returning if it's not good … and I was kind of thinking of the sneak out as a one way trip. If I did partial I could do it at home, test it ahead of time … my dad does not check in on me in the night or anything so the only reason he would be suspicious would be noise, but I feel like partial could be made pretty quiet, if done a couple floors down, maybe in the garage…
One thing that confuses me …
I've read that partial is unreliable because the convulsions can cause the pressure to be released from your neck. But if you were on your knees once you're unconscious isn't gravity pulling you downward to lean forward even more, thus increasing the pressure of the ligature? Wouldn't losing pressure require the convulsions to work against gravity and make you straighten up? Is that possible? I'm also confused because if it's possible for this to happen, then how could there be so many people on SaSu using this method? Then it would seem like attempting partial would be a hugely risky thing, if you could do everything right and then have a random convulsion make you wake up, now in a damaged state … I feel like I'm missing something … if it was truly the case that a random convulsion might end the hanging prematurely, no one would use this method, right?

 

[JesiBel]

Definitely!! This truly is a unique space.

I did!! It was incredibly helpful and detailed. The images were super useful.

Thank you for the information!! Now I'm starting to wonder whether I should do partial … because of the risk of noise of FSH plus I wouldn't necessarily be able to test the hotel/airbnb setup ahead of time because that would mean sneaking out at night and then returning if it's not good … and I was kind of thinking of the sneak out as a one way trip. If I did partial I could do it at home, test it ahead of time … my dad does not check in on me in the night or anything so the only reason he would be suspicious would be noise, but I feel like partial could be made pretty quiet, if done a couple floors down, maybe in the garage…
One thing that confuses me …
I've read that partial is unreliable because the convulsions can cause the pressure to be released from your neck. But if you were on your knees once you're unconscious isn't gravity pulling you downward to lean forward even more, thus increasing the pressure of the ligature? Wouldn't losing pressure require the convulsions to work against gravity and make you straighten up? Is that possible? I'm also confused because if it's possible for this to happen, then how could there be so many people on SaSu using this method? Then it would seem like attempting partial would be a hugely risky thing, if you could do everything right and then have a random convulsion make you wake up, now in a damaged state … I feel like I'm missing something … if it was truly the case that a random convulsion might end the hanging prematurely, no one would use this method, right?

Ohh, Partial Hanging, there are definitely a lot of stories on this forum..

Going straight to the facts, which can be observed, I recommend this thread, which contains videos of real and successful attempts.

The different phases in the death mechanism in hanging are not too extensive, and they do not always manifest themselves intensely.

You can verify this by watching the videos and reading these two research pdfs.

During the rigidity phase, the body will remain somewhat tense (but never too straight as if you were standing voluntarily, that's impossible) and then it return to a state of relaxation (all this occurs when you are already unconscious).

Spoiler: Phases in the hanging death mechanism

(this is not a rule, as I mentioned earlier, in some cases not all phases are observed nor do they last the same amount of time):

Loss of consciousness (approx. in 15 seconds), convulsions/spasms (they occur seconds after losing consciousness or immediately), decerebrate rigidity and decorticate rigidity (they are observed approximately between one and a half minutes after losing consciousness, then the body will become progressively flaccid without tension). There are also involuntary repetitive abdominal movements after the spasm and convulsion phase, which may persist until the end of the rigidity phases. Once the phase of loss of muscle tone has begun, the body becomes almost inert with isolated soft body movements until it is completely still.

When you lose consciousness you lose all muscle strength, so your body will be suspended with the ligature tightening around your neck and gravity + your body weight will do the work.

For this reason, it is recommended to use a self-tightening knot such as the Arbor Knot, which, when weight is applied/a load is added, closes itself to the maximum maintaining continuous pressure.

It's also important to choose a suitable position, where you're not too close to the ground; if you put most of your weight on it or are almost sitting on the floor, it will be more difficult.
(Also, standing up will be easier if you panic. Remember that you will always feel the ligature tightening around your neck for the few seconds you are conscious, and this is where most people abandon the attempt.)

Regarding positions in Partial Hanging, you can read these threads: 1, 2, 3, 4

It should be mentioned that the correct positioning of the ligature is crucial, regardless if it is Full or Partial Suspension Hanging.

I recommend reading everything and doing some preliminary research on the forum; there's really a lot of material, threads, and discussions.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Ohh, Partial Hanging, there are definitely a lot of stories on this forum..

Going straight to the facts, which can be observed, I recommend this thread, which contains videos of real and successful attempts.

The different phases in the death mechanism in hanging are not too extensive, and they do not always manifest themselves intensely.

You can verify this by watching the videos and reading these two research pdfs.

During the rigidity phase, the body will remain somewhat tense (but never too straight as if you were standing voluntarily, that's impossible) and then it return to a state of relaxation (all this occurs when you are already unconscious).

Spoiler: Phases in the hanging death mechanism

(this is not a rule, as I mentioned earlier, in some cases not all phases are observed nor do they last the same amount of time):

Loss of consciousness (approx. in 15 seconds), convulsions/spasms (they occur seconds after losing consciousness or immediately), decerebrate rigidity and decorticate rigidity (they are observed approximately between one and a half minutes after losing consciousness, then the body will become progressively flaccid without tension). There are also involuntary repetitive abdominal movements after the spasm and convulsion phase, which may persist until the end of the rigidity phases. Once the phase of loss of muscle tone has begun, the body becomes almost inert with isolated soft body movements until it is completely still.

When you lose consciousness you lose all muscle strength, so your body will be suspended with the ligature tightening around your neck and gravity + your body weight will do the work.

For this reason, it is recommended to use a self-tightening knot such as the Arbor Knot, which, when weight is applied/a load is added, closes itself to the maximum maintaining continuous pressure.

It's also important to choose a suitable position, where you're not too close to the ground; if you put most of your weight on it or are almost sitting on the floor, it will be more difficult.
(Also, standing up will be easier if you panic. Remember that you will always feel the ligature tightening around your neck for the few seconds you are conscious, and this is where most people abandon the attempt.)

Regarding positions in Partial Hanging, you can read these threads: 1, 2, 3, 4

It should be mentioned that the correct positioning of the ligature is crucial, regardless if it is Full or Partial Suspension Hanging.

I recommend reading everything and doing some preliminary research on the forum; there's really a lot of material, threads, and discussions.

Thank you so much!!! Truly, there is such a wealth of information here. Really makes this whole process feel like less of a massive unknown. It's incredible to be able to have access to this valuable information and this awesome community.

does this look like a good rope? I ordered it because I think I saw this suggested by @Worndown but then read other posts that polyester or polypropylene might be better (less stretchy) so was kind of confused … wouldn't a rope with a little stretch help not jerk the anchor as much when going off the stool for FSH? Or is it the other way around …. one thing about planning CTB is it makes you learn physics lol.
But basically, my biggest concern is that during practice, something will get wedged in the door preventing it from being able to be opened. Because I won't be able to explain why there's a rope trapped in the door to my parents.
Because I want to set it up exactly as I would on CTB day right?
Originally I wanted to do the rope over door w/ dumbbell. But then I thought wait but the smallest diameter advised is 3/8" and standard doors only have gaps of 1/8" at the top so if I close the door for testing thus pinching the rope…what if I can't reopen the door? Would there be a way to saw at the rope or do something if that happened?? Is there a way to test it without fully closing the door and only do that on CTB day? But then maybe I wouldn't know whether it *can* fully close or not …

Then my other thought was, I saw @AreWeWinning post about using a resistance band anchor. Would something like this (attached pic) be okay? I could attach my rope to it and it would hold me for FSH? I was worried that the foam thing might compress under the weight and end up wedged in the top of the door.

Then I thought maybe I could use a cargo strap instead of a rope? Then it would go cleanly through the top gap … but would it be possible to do the knots needed?

Sorry for so much. Any thoughts would be so so SO appreciated. Thank you !!

 

[Cepheuss]

depends start banging on the doors of wherever youre hanging and see how loud it is and theres your answer

 

[JesiBel]

Thank you so much!!! Truly, there is such a wealth of information here. Really makes this whole process feel like less of a massive unknown. It's incredible to be able to have access to this valuable information and this awesome community.

does this look like a good rope? I ordered it because I think I saw this suggested by @Worndown but then read other posts that polyester or polypropylene might be better (less stretchy) so was kind of confused … wouldn't a rope with a little stretch help not jerk the anchor as much when going off the stool for FSH? Or is it the other way around …. one thing about planning CTB is it makes you learn physics lol.
But basically, my biggest concern is that during practice, something will get wedged in the door preventing it from being able to be opened. Because I won't be able to explain why there's a rope trapped in the door to my parents.
Because I want to set it up exactly as I would on CTB day right?
Originally I wanted to do the rope over door w/ dumbbell. But then I thought wait but the smallest diameter advised is 3/8" and standard doors only have gaps of 1/8" at the top so if I close the door for testing thus pinching the rope…what if I can't reopen the door? Would there be a way to saw at the rope or do something if that happened?? Is there a way to test it without fully closing the door and only do that on CTB day? But then maybe I wouldn't know whether it *can* fully close or not …

Then my other thought was, I saw @AreWeWinning post about using a resistance band anchor. Would something like this (attached pic) be okay? I could attach my rope to it and it would hold me for FSH? I was worried that the foam thing might compress under the weight and end up wedged in the top of the door.

Then I thought maybe I could use a cargo strap instead of a rope? Then it would go cleanly through the top gap … but would it be possible to do the knots needed?

Sorry for so much. Any thoughts would be so so SO appreciated. Thank you !!

Hello!

It's fine if it's nylon.
The problem with a rope that's too elastic is that when you apply your weight, it will stretch too much, and instead of doing Full Suspension, you'll end up touching the ground. But this will only happen if you're very close to the ground.
If you have a height of 50/60 cm above the ground (the approximate height of a chair), I suppose there won't be any problems.

Always check the Working Load Limit (WLL) of the rope. To make sure it can support your weight.

Regarding practice, never put your neck in the ligature if you're going to assemble everything correctly as if it were the day of the attempt. Grab the end where the ligature would go with your hands and apply your full weight. This will test if the door is strong enough and if the setup is secure.

Is there a window or somewhere you could get out, in case the door gets stuck and you're trapped inside? Keep a pair of scissors with you just in case. At least you'll be able to cut both ends and somehow disassemble the setup.

I have doubts about the resistance band anchor + tying the rope to it.. Perhaps if it's of good quality and its stitching and construction are strong.. it might work.
Personally, it wouldn't be an option I would choose.

Even though they were the material Chris Cornell used for his attempt (that's why it's a popular example here)
This article contains photos (Warning!, sensitive content) Hotel room + setup photos (Tor browser allows me to view the articles) 1, 2, 3

The cargo straps are an option; you could tie the knots somehow, they are flat and wide..
CaptainSunshine used that kind of material (rest in peace) for his attempt, he left us a very detailed post with photos about his setup.

Always test that the material you use is strong and can support your full weight. Also, practice tying the knots and make sure the Arbor Knot slides smoothly and easily.

I'm sorry I'm just giving you information, but choosing the material and setup is something each user must do individually.

 

[xhersekk]

In my opinion, impulsive attempts have more chance to succeed, most of those videos are impulsive attempts, because you can never convince yourself to die. Even in the hardest situations

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Hello!

It's fine if it's nylon.
The problem with a rope that's too elastic is that when you apply your weight, it will stretch too much, and instead of doing Full Suspension, you'll end up touching the ground. But this will only happen if you're very close to the ground.
If you have a height of 50/60 cm above the ground (the approximate height of a chair), I suppose there won't be any problems.

Always check the Working Load Limit (WLL) of the rope. To make sure it can support your weight.

Regarding practice, never put your neck in the ligature if you're going to assemble everything correctly as if it were the day of the attempt. Grab the end where the ligature would go with your hands and apply your full weight. This will test if the door is strong enough and if the setup is secure.

Is there a window or somewhere you could get out, in case the door gets stuck and you're trapped inside? Keep a pair of scissors with you just in case. At least you'll be able to cut both ends and somehow disassemble the setup.

I have doubts about the resistance band anchor + tying the rope to it.. Perhaps if it's of good quality and its stitching and construction are strong.. it might work.
Personally, it wouldn't be an option I would choose.

Even though they were the material Chris Cornell used for his attempt (that's why it's a popular example here)
This article contains photos (Warning!, sensitive content) Hotel room + setup photos (Tor browser allows me to view the articles) 1, 2, 3

The cargo straps are an option; you could tie the knots somehow, they are flat and wide..
CaptainSunshine used that kind of material (rest in peace) for his attempt, he left us a very detailed post with photos about his setup.

Always test that the material you use is strong and can support your full weight. Also, practice tying the knots and make sure the Arbor Knot slides smoothly and easily.

I'm sorry I'm just giving you information, but choosing the material and setup is something each user must do individually.

Ahh got it thank you so much!! I'll have to make sure I have good height.

Thank you for all of your thoughts! Really, it means so much and is so, so helpful. I can't thank you enough, honestly.

I read another one of your posts where you said hollow braid rope can be good for the door technique because it flattens well. I'm thinking the double braided might not work so well (too thick for the door) and am looking for a hollow braid one. I found this hollow braid one, it's very strong with 8600 lb tensile strength BUT I can only find it in 1/4" which is obviously significantly thinner than the recommended thickness here … I was just wondering, is the thickness recommendation more about comfort, or do you need a minimum thickness to compress the carotids? Would this be too risky, like if it's not in the perfect position it won't be covering enough neck so won't compress carotids? If that's not an issue, I'd love to go with this one since this should have no issue fitting over my door, and I like how strong it is. But if it's going to be an issue, I'll try to find a different one.

I do have some limitations because I can only obtain things from Amazon .. since I can manage to sneak out to an Amazon self pick up due to it being right next to my house, but can't make it to other stores without causing suspicion. So I'm limited by what's available on Amazon :/ I also really cant risk having a situation where I close the door on the rope to practice and then can't get it open again if it's gotten too tightly jammed for even scissors to help - that would blow my cover completely. That's why this one is so appealing to me. I know it'll probably be painful because it's thin, so not ideal, but if it's just pain and not loss of success/efficacy/guaranteed CTB, then that's ok with me. I just don't understand whether it's also less effective for CTB than thicker ones…

Would this rope be okay?
@Worndown @AreWeWinning @Gustav Hartmann
@JesiBel

Any thoughts would be so appreciated
Thank you

 

[JesiBel]

Ahh got it thank you so much!! I'll have to make sure I have good height.

Thank you for all of your thoughts! Really, it means so much and is so, so helpful. I can't thank you enough, honestly.

I read another one of your posts where you said hollow braid rope can be good for the door technique because it flattens well. I'm thinking the double braided might not work so well (too thick for the door) and am looking for a hollow braid one. I found this hollow braid one, it's very strong with 8600 lb tensile strength BUT I can only find it in 1/4" which is obviously significantly thinner than the recommended thickness here … I was just wondering, is the thickness recommendation more about comfort, or do you need a minimum thickness to compress the carotids? Would this be too risky, like if it's not in the perfect position it won't be covering enough neck so won't compress carotids? If that's not an issue, I'd love to go with this one since this should have no issue fitting over my door, and I like how strong it is. But if it's going to be an issue, I'll try to find a different one.

I do have some limitations because I can only obtain things from Amazon .. since I can manage to sneak out to an Amazon self pick up due to it being right next to my house, but can't make it to other stores without causing suspicion. So I'm limited by what's available on Amazon :/ I also really cant risk having a situation where I close the door on the rope to practice and then can't get it open again if it's gotten too tightly jammed for even scissors to help - that would blow my cover completely. That's why this one is so appealing to me. I know it'll probably be painful because it's thin, so not ideal, but if it's just pain and not loss of success/efficacy/guaranteed CTB, then that's ok with me. I just don't understand whether it's also less effective for CTB than thicker ones…

Would this rope be okay?
@Worndown @AreWeWinning @Gustav Hartmann
@JesiBel

Any thoughts would be so appreciated
Thank you View attachment 201683

True, hollow braid ropes do not have an internal core, they are easier to flatten and the door will be able to close more easily. They also have more flexibility.

6 mm is a very thin rope, perhaps you could look for another one, at least 10 mm thick.
If it is a very thin rope, it will penetrate too deeply into the neck, and will undoubtedly be less "comfortable". (smaller contact area, greater localized pressure = painful digging). So it's good to find a "balance", a rope that's neither too thin nor too thick.

Using an Arbor Knot for the ligature will ensure that the arteries will be properly compressed. This knot will maintain continuous and uninterrupted pressure on your neck, as the knot will tighten itself when you apply your body weight.
The correct placement of the ligature is crucial for losing consciousness quickly. You have two carotid arteries on both sides of your neck; both of them must be compressed.

• Mistakes in the Hanging method

 

[Catchthebusnow]

True, hollow braid ropes do not have an internal core, they are easier to flatten and the door will be able to close more easily. They also have more flexibility.

6 mm is a very thin rope, perhaps you could look for another one, at least 10 mm thick.
If it is a very thin rope, it will penetrate too deeply into the neck, and will undoubtedly be less "comfortable". (smaller contact area, greater localized pressure = painful digging). So it's good to find a "balance", a rope that's neither too thin nor too thick.

Using an Arbor Knot for the ligature will ensure that the arteries will be properly compressed. This knot will maintain continuous and uninterrupted pressure on your neck, as the knot will tighten itself when you apply your body weight.
The correct placement of the ligature is crucial for losing consciousness quickly. You have two carotid arteries on both sides of your neck; both of them must be compressed.

• Mistakes in the Hanging method

Thank you so much!! I will use an arbor knot. All of this information is invaluable! I can't thank you enough, @JesiBel. I appreciate your help so much!

i don't think this rope is gonna work, it's made of some other material called dyneema which I don't think you're supposed to tie knots in

I really really need to CTB but I can't seem to find a rope that will allow me to close and latch the door. Maybe I can do it from this pull-up bar? It can hold 440 lbs and seems sturdy, like if it has to be twisted to make it lock in to place, there's no way I can untwist it …

Unfortunately I can't obtain it for like a week. Until then I'm going to try to see if I can find a hotel or Airbnb that might be suitable for jumping, so I have a backup plan. Or identity hotels or Airbnbs where I can do the hanging. The only thing that I wonder is whether the Airbnb might have cameras - even though they're not "supposed" to, but maybe a lot of hosts just do it anyway? I really want to do it at home, just because adding in sneaking off to a hotel or Airbnb feels like adding so many more variables that could go wrong…doing it at home seems so much simpler, to just have to go downstairs. I'll have to find some way to send a scheduled message or something or maybe tape something to my bedroom door (which is where they'll look for me). I have good hopes for the pullup bar, if it can handle people doing pull ups and that kind of motion/movement I think it can handle me. I plan on sliding my feet off the sides of the stool so that I don't jump and jerk it, so it can be a smooth transition. My goal is to have my rope and pull up bar in ~1 week, test it, and be gone before the end of May.

 

[JesiBel]

Thank you so much!! I will use an arbor knot. All of this information is invaluable! I can't thank you enough, @JesiBel. I appreciate your help so much!

i don't think this rope is gonna work, it's made of some other material called dyneema which I don't think you're supposed to tie knots in

I really really need to CTB but I can't seem to find a rope that will allow me to close and latch the door. Maybe I can do it from this pull-up bar? It can hold 440 lbs and seems sturdy, like if it has to be twisted to make it lock in to place, there's no way I can untwist it …

Unfortunately I can't obtain it for like a week. Until then I'm going to try to see if I can find a hotel or Airbnb that might be suitable for jumping, so I have a backup plan. Or identity hotels or Airbnbs where I can do the hanging. The only thing that I wonder is whether the Airbnb might have cameras - even though they're not "supposed" to, but maybe a lot of hosts just do it anyway? I really want to do it at home, just because adding in sneaking off to a hotel or Airbnb feels like adding so many more variables that could go wrong…doing it at home seems so much simpler, to just have to go downstairs. I'll have to find some way to send a scheduled message or something or maybe tape something to my bedroom door (which is where they'll look for me). I have good hopes for the pullup bar, if it can handle people doing pull ups and that kind of motion/movement I think it can handle me. I plan on sliding my feet off the sides of the stool so that I don't jump and jerk it, so it can be a smooth transition. My goal is to have my rope and pull up bar in ~1 week, test it, and be gone before the end of May.
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Just remember that you need to be 100% sure about the decision you're going to make. There's no need to rush. Think it through carefully.

Polyester or polypropylene are better materials to choose, and are more resistant. You can tie knots safely (always remember to check the WLL of the rope, as I mentioned before).
You can always add a stopper knot at the free end to make any knot more secure. (This is not necessary for the Arbor Knot, as it already has one -overhand knot- at the free end)

It would be a good idea to look for product reviews before buying. However, always remember to test it yourself.

I was reading the manual for the "Adjustable Doorway Pull Up Bar". There is some information to keep in mind:

Spoiler: Manual, info

• Extension Length Matters: The further you extend the bar, the less weight it can safely hold and the less stable it becomes.

• Maximum Load Capacity: 440 pounds

• This product must not be used for:

Fingertip grasping on the single pole (My concern, does this refer to.. create a high force on a small contact area? The contact area of the rope tied to the anchor point will be small and located in the middle of the bar.)

Swinging back and forth, overturning, tipping (don't put uneven force on one side that could make the bar loosen/detach), or any other dangerous actions.
(Note: remember that the bar must also withstand an "impact load" when the body falls with its full weight "into the void" and the rope becomes taut. Your idea of sliding your feet off the sides of the stool is good, so that you don't jump and create a sudden, abrupt movement)

• Before use, check whether the equipment and door frame are in good condition. If damaged, do not use. Always check that it is tightened and installed correctly. Read the manual carefully before using this product.

• USABLE SURFACES: Solid wood doors, Anti-theft doors, Corridors, Cement walls

• NOT SUITABLE FOR: hollow doors, glass.

• Not recommended for outdoor environments.

My advice would be not to rush into anything and make a desperate attempt (no matter what method it is). Sometimes the conditions aren't right, and perhaps you should wait for a more opportune moment (for example, when there is nobody at home).

Preparing everything takes time: assembling the entire setup, testing it, leaving notes to warn...
Setting a deadline will cause you a lot of anxiety.

May things turn out as you expect.
If there is still hope, no matter how small, it would be good to reconsider.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Just remember that you need to be 100% sure about the decision you're going to make. There's no need to rush. Think it through carefully.

Polyester or polypropylene are better materials to choose, and are more resistant. You can tie knots safely (always remember to check the WLL of the rope, as I mentioned before).
You can always add a stopper knot at the free end to make any knot more secure. (This is not necessary for the Arbor Knot, as it already has one -overhand knot- at the free end)

It would be a good idea to look for product reviews before buying. However, always remember to test it yourself.

I was reading the manual for the "Adjustable Doorway Pull Up Bar". There is some information to keep in mind:

Spoiler: Manual, info

• Extension Length Matters: The further you extend the bar, the less weight it can safely hold and the less stable it becomes.

• Maximum Load Capacity: 440 pounds

• This product must not be used for:

Fingertip grasping on the single pole (My concern, does this refer to.. create a high force on a small contact area? The contact area of the rope tied to the anchor point will be small and located in the middle of the bar.)

Swinging back and forth, overturning, tipping (don't put uneven force on one side that could make the bar loosen/detach), or any other dangerous actions.
(Note: remember that the bar must also withstand an "impact load" when the body falls with its full weight "into the void" and the rope becomes taut. Your idea of sliding your feet off the sides of the stool is good, so that you don't jump and create a sudden, abrupt movement)

• Before use, check whether the equipment and door frame are in good condition. If damaged, do not use. Always check that it is tightened and installed correctly. Read the manual carefully before using this product.

• USABLE SURFACES: Solid wood doors, Anti-theft doors, Corridors, Cement walls

• NOT SUITABLE FOR: hollow doors, glass.

• Not recommended for outdoor environments.

My advice would be not to rush into anything and make a desperate attempt (no matter what method it is). Sometimes the conditions aren't right, and perhaps you should wait for a more opportune moment (for example, when there is nobody at home).

Preparing everything takes time: assembling the entire setup, testing it, leaving notes to warn...
Setting a deadline will cause you a lot of anxiety.

May things turn out as you expect.
If there is still hope, no matter how small, it would be good to reconsider.

Ahh thank you SO much @JesiBel !!! You're the best your guidance means the world to me. I can't fully capture my gratitude.

Im waiting to obtain some hollow braid ropes and I'm gonna see how the setup seems once I get them.

Thank you again!!

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Just remember that you need to be 100% sure about the decision you're going to make. There's no need to rush. Think it through carefully.

Polyester or polypropylene are better materials to choose, and are more resistant. You can tie knots safely (always remember to check the WLL of the rope, as I mentioned before).
You can always add a stopper knot at the free end to make any knot more secure. (This is not necessary for the Arbor Knot, as it already has one -overhand knot- at the free end)

It would be a good idea to look for product reviews before buying. However, always remember to test it yourself.

I was reading the manual for the "Adjustable Doorway Pull Up Bar". There is some information to keep in mind:

Spoiler: Manual, info

• Extension Length Matters: The further you extend the bar, the less weight it can safely hold and the less stable it becomes.

• Maximum Load Capacity: 440 pounds

• This product must not be used for:

Fingertip grasping on the single pole (My concern, does this refer to.. create a high force on a small contact area? The contact area of the rope tied to the anchor point will be small and located in the middle of the bar.)

Swinging back and forth, overturning, tipping (don't put uneven force on one side that could make the bar loosen/detach), or any other dangerous actions.
(Note: remember that the bar must also withstand an "impact load" when the body falls with its full weight "into the void" and the rope becomes taut. Your idea of sliding your feet off the sides of the stool is good, so that you don't jump and create a sudden, abrupt movement)

• Before use, check whether the equipment and door frame are in good condition. If damaged, do not use. Always check that it is tightened and installed correctly. Read the manual carefully before using this product.

• USABLE SURFACES: Solid wood doors, Anti-theft doors, Corridors, Cement walls

• NOT SUITABLE FOR: hollow doors, glass.

• Not recommended for outdoor environments.

My advice would be not to rush into anything and make a desperate attempt (no matter what method it is). Sometimes the conditions aren't right, and perhaps you should wait for a more opportune moment (for example, when there is nobody at home).

Preparing everything takes time: assembling the entire setup, testing it, leaving notes to warn...
Setting a deadline will cause you a lot of anxiety.

May things turn out as you expect.
If there is still hope, no matter how small, it would be good to reconsider.

Hi!! Would this tensile strength and working load be ok? I haven't weighed myself in a while but I'm definitely no more than 140 lbs … does the working load just have to be no more than your weight, or does it have to be many times your weight? Thank you!!!

Just remember that you need to be 100% sure about the decision you're going to make. There's no need to rush. Think it through carefully.

Polyester or polypropylene are better materials to choose, and are more resistant. You can tie knots safely (always remember to check the WLL of the rope, as I mentioned before).
You can always add a stopper knot at the free end to make any knot more secure. (This is not necessary for the Arbor Knot, as it already has one -overhand knot- at the free end)

It would be a good idea to look for product reviews before buying. However, always remember to test it yourself.

I was reading the manual for the "Adjustable Doorway Pull Up Bar". There is some information to keep in mind:

Spoiler: Manual, info

• Extension Length Matters: The further you extend the bar, the less weight it can safely hold and the less stable it becomes.

• Maximum Load Capacity: 440 pounds

• This product must not be used for:

Fingertip grasping on the single pole (My concern, does this refer to.. create a high force on a small contact area? The contact area of the rope tied to the anchor point will be small and located in the middle of the bar.)

Swinging back and forth, overturning, tipping (don't put uneven force on one side that could make the bar loosen/detach), or any other dangerous actions.
(Note: remember that the bar must also withstand an "impact load" when the body falls with its full weight "into the void" and the rope becomes taut. Your idea of sliding your feet off the sides of the stool is good, so that you don't jump and create a sudden, abrupt movement)

• Before use, check whether the equipment and door frame are in good condition. If damaged, do not use. Always check that it is tightened and installed correctly. Read the manual carefully before using this product.

• USABLE SURFACES: Solid wood doors, Anti-theft doors, Corridors, Cement walls

• NOT SUITABLE FOR: hollow doors, glass.

• Not recommended for outdoor environments.

My advice would be not to rush into anything and make a desperate attempt (no matter what method it is). Sometimes the conditions aren't right, and perhaps you should wait for a more opportune moment (for example, when there is nobody at home).

Preparing everything takes time: assembling the entire setup, testing it, leaving notes to warn...
Setting a deadline will cause you a lot of anxiety.

May things turn out as you expect.
If there is still hope, no matter how small, it would be good to reconsider.

Also - sorry for so many questions!!
Something just occurred to me - wouldn't the stuff that's part of the garage door system be even better than doing it over a door? Also, what about pipes and stuff?

 

[Worndown]

No. Theee is better out there.
Double braided dock line, 1/2 inch, is smooth, supple and will hold a boat!
Available in shorter lengths too.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

No. Theee is better out there.
Double braided dock line, 1/2 inch, is smooth, supple and will hold a boat!
Available in shorter lengths too.

That's what I initially ordered!!! But I want to do it over my door and it wont fit :/

 

[JesiBel]

Hi!! Would this tensile strength and working load be ok? I haven't weighed myself in a while but I'm definitely no more than 140 lbs … does the working load just have to be no more than your weight, or does it have to be many times your weight? Thank you!!!

View attachment 202164

Also - sorry for so many questions!!
Something just occurred to me - wouldn't the stuff that's part of the garage door system be even better than doing it over a door? Also, what about pipes and stuff?

Hello!

Uhmm, the 1/4" (6 mm) one is very thin. I think it would be more convenient the 3/8" (9 mm) you viewed earlier in the screenshot.

About the one you chose (1/4")...

Tensile/Breaking Strength: 1000 lbs (453 kg)
Safe load/WLL: 140 lbs (63 kg)

140 lbs x 7= 980 lbs (7:1 safety factor)

Don't exceed the WLL: even if the rope can withstand seven times the rated limit, the WLL is the maximum weight that should be used.

Important: Keep a brand new length of rope for the attempt (it will not have any wear and tear from handling). Don't use the same length you used for all the testing. You can cut the rope and keep a section to test and practice knots.

I am adding this information to clarify the meaning of each term:

Article:

• Breaking Strength: the point where rope physically breaks. It refers to the maximum amount of force a rope can withstand before failing.

Not a Safe Working Limit: Just because a rope has a high breaking strength doesn't mean you should operate near that limit.

For example, a double braid polyester rope may have a breaking strength of 10,000 lbs, but that doesn't mean you should routinely apply 10,000 lbs of force. This is where working load limits come in...

• Working Load Limit (WLL) / Also called "Safe Working Load (SWL)": the maximum safe load under normal use. The WLL isn't the point where the rope breaks.

It accounts for factors like shock loads, wear and tear, and environmental exposure. For example, when anchoring, your rope should have a WLL that comfortably exceeds the forces applied.

How WLL is Calculated? WLL is determined using a safety factor: an industry standard that reduces the breaking strength by a set ratio.

5:1 (General Use) : Divide the breaking strength by 5 to get the safe working limit.

10:1 (Critical Safety Applications): Divide by 10 for extra precaution.

For example, if a rope has a breaking strength of 10,000 lbs:
With a 5:1 safety factor, the working load limit = 2,000 lbs
With a 10:1 safety factor, the working load limit = 1,000 lbs

Source

Regarding the garage door system, it might work. Where would you tie the rope? (You know, they're not all the same construction; some open upwards, others to the side)

To know if it is a good anchor point you should always test it yourself; it must be able to support your full weight, you can do a small jump to generate a small impact and tension in the structure (shock load).

Pipes are usually fragile; don't try to test them or they could break easily, and you'll have to explain yourself. It's best to rule out that option.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

Hello!

Uhmm, the 1/4" (6 mm) one is very thin. I think it would be more convenient the 3/8" (9 mm) you viewed earlier in the screenshot.

About the one you chose (1/4")...

Tensile/Breaking Strength: 1000 lbs (453 kg)
Safe load/WLL: 140 lbs (63 kg)

140 lbs x 7= 980 lbs (7:1 safety factor)

Don't exceed the WLL: even if the rope can withstand seven times the rated limit, the WLL is the maximum weight that should be used.

Important: Keep a brand new length of rope for the attempt (it will not have any wear and tear from handling). Don't use the same length you used for all the testing. You can cut the rope and keep a section to test and practice knots.

I am adding this information to clarify the meaning of each term:

Article:

• Breaking Strength: the point where rope physically breaks. It refers to the maximum amount of force a rope can withstand before failing.

Not a Safe Working Limit: Just because a rope has a high breaking strength doesn't mean you should operate near that limit.

For example, a double braid polyester rope may have a breaking strength of 10,000 lbs, but that doesn't mean you should routinely apply 10,000 lbs of force. This is where working load limits come in...

• Working Load Limit (WLL) / Also called "Safe Working Load (SWL)": the maximum safe load under normal use. The WLL isn't the point where the rope breaks.

It accounts for factors like shock loads, wear and tear, and environmental exposure. For example, when anchoring, your rope should have a WLL that comfortably exceeds the forces applied.

How WLL is Calculated? WLL is determined using a safety factor: an industry standard that reduces the breaking strength by a set ratio.

5:1 (General Use) : Divide the breaking strength by 5 to get the safe working limit.

10:1 (Critical Safety Applications): Divide by 10 for extra precaution.

For example, if a rope has a breaking strength of 10,000 lbs:
With a 5:1 safety factor, the working load limit = 2,000 lbs
With a 10:1 safety factor, the working load limit = 1,000 lbs

Source

Regarding the garage door system, it might work. Where would you tie the rope? (You know, they're not all the same construction; some open upwards, others to the side)

To know if it is a good anchor point you should always test it yourself; it must be able to support your full weight, you can do a small jump to generate a small impact and tension in the structure (shock load).

Pipes are usually fragile; don't try to test them or they could break easily, and you'll have to explain yourself. It's best to rule out that option.

Thank you SO much for your reply I'm so confused, I thought I read online that WLL doesn't take into account knots, does that mean my rope's WLL has to be like 800 or something because if I'm going to be tying so many knots and they're reducing it by 50% or something and then on top of that do I have to account for the fact that when I first go off the stool and when I convulse the load will be higher than my body weight? In that case im never gonna find a rope that'll fit over my door because all those ropes with that kind of WLL will be too thick. I'm so so so upset, I was all ready and set to CTB with the door-dumbbell thing. Now it feels like I'm back at square one..
The garage thing I was wondering about was this I think it's the "torsion spring bar." (See picture).
The other thing I was thinking was this resistance band anchor the description says it can do pulls up to 500 lb. That should work, right?
I also realized I'm too weak to hold on to the rope and test it properly so I'm trying to figure out if I can get like a rope swing disc or something so I can do a proper longer test. Has anyone else faced this? I'm looking for a rope swing disc like just the disc so I can attach it to my CTB rope but they all come with thick ropes and so I think then I can't swap out their ropes for my rope because then the hole is too large :/

Any suggestions would be so, so appreciated!!!

 

[JesiBel]

Thank you SO much for your reply I'm so confused, I thought I read online that WLL doesn't take into account knots, does that mean my rope's WLL has to be like 800 or something because if I'm going to be tying so many knots and they're reducing it by 50% or something and then on top of that do I have to account for the fact that when I first go off the stool and when I convulse the load will be higher than my body weight? In that case im never gonna find a rope that'll fit over my door because all those ropes with that kind of WLL will be too thick. I'm so so so upset, I was all ready and set to CTB with the door-dumbbell thing. Now it feels like I'm back at square one..
The garage thing I was wondering about was this I think it's the "torsion spring bar." (See picture).
The other thing I was thinking was this resistance band anchor the description says it can do pulls up to 500 lb. That should work, right?
I also realized I'm too weak to hold on to the rope and test it properly so I'm trying to figure out if I can get like a rope swing disc or something so I can do a proper longer test. Has anyone else faced this? I'm looking for a rope swing disc like just the disc so I can attach it to my CTB rope but they all come with thick ropes and so I think then I can't swap out their ropes for my rope because then the hole is too large :/

Any suggestions would be so, so appreciated!!!


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I recommend that you read the information carefully and don't confuse the terms about WLL and Breaking Strength. I think that's what's causing you problems when choosing the rope. Take some time to analyze.

Mine is 12 mm and I have no problem passing it over the top of the door, closing it and locking it.

The Working Load Limit is the maximum safe load a rope should carry in actual use. The safety factor accounts for the unknowns (use a higher safety factor than 5), such as wear, bending, knots. The more often you exceed the WLL (daily use), the easier it will be to break the rope.

The "resistance band anchor" is not something I would use.. You would have to put all your trust in its overall construction and sewing -of the loops and D rings-

Regarding the "torsion spring bar", its stability will depend on how it is attached to the structure. As I mentioned before, you should test it yourself to see if it's strong or not (just like any other anchor point you're considering). It's hard to tell from a photo.

 

[Catchthebusnow]

I recommend that you read the information carefully and don't confuse the terms about WLL and Breaking Strength. I think that's what's causing you problems when choosing the rope. Take some time to analyze.

Mine is 12 mm and I have no problem passing it over the top of the door, closing it and locking it.

The Working Load Limit is the maximum safe load a rope should carry in actual use. The safety factor accounts for the unknowns (use a higher safety factor than 5), such as wear, bending, knots. The more often you exceed the WLL (daily use), the easier it will be to break the rope.

The "resistance band anchor" is not something I would use.. You would have to put all your trust in its overall construction and sewing -of the loops and D rings-

Regarding the "torsion spring bar", its stability will depend on how it is attached to the structure. As I mentioned before, you should test it yourself to see if it's strong or not (just like any other anchor point you're considering). It's hard to tell from a photo.

Got it!!! Ahh Thank you so much! I really appreciate it :) you are such an incredible help and guide through all this


I tied my rope with a bowline knot to the resistance band anchor and it's holding my weight!! I'm thrilled. The only thing is that with that, my FSH might end in partial because I'm pretty close to the ground … but at least I'm hoping it would end up a standing partial, which I think is still pretty lethal?


I also had an idea which is to tie the doorknob of the door I'm using to something so that nobody can get in

 

[JesiBel]

Got it!!! Ahh Thank you so much! I really appreciate it :) you are such an incredible help and guide through all this


I tied my rope with a bowline knot to the resistance band anchor and it's holding my weight!! I'm thrilled. The only thing is that with that, my FSH might end in partial because I'm pretty close to the ground … but at least I'm hoping it would end up a standing partial, which I think is still pretty lethal?


I also had an idea which is to tie the doorknob of the door I'm using to something so that nobody can get in

You can reinforce the Bowline Knot by making a stopper knot (overhand knot) at its free end. Remember to leave at least 15/20 cm of free end.

Is the "resistance band anchor" the one in the photo you attached? (with several loops and D rings)

Yes, it's one of the best positions (standing) in partial.

When you say to tie the doorknob, do you mean to prevent the door from opening? It doesn't have a lock or latch?
The doorknob isn't very sturdy... It doesn't seem very safe to me. If that were the case, you would need a firm, heavy object, and you would also need to securely tie the rope to the doorknob and object. And test everything.
A door with a lock or latch would be better. Make sure everything is in good condition, with no loose or damaged parts.

Remember that no one else should be in the house, and you need to have enough time alone. It's too risky to be found mid-attempt or prematurely. The recommended 30 minutes are with the ligature on the neck compressing the arteries.. (not the entire procedure of assembling the setup and the rest of the preparations you consider making)

Be careful and don't rush.

 

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Hi @JesiBel , sorry to hijack this post, I have read Evelyn Lane's guide about FSH using a dumbbell, is it realistic that one can hang from a door without the door breaking at the hinge? The door I'm thinking of using is just a simple wooden one with two hinges - I'm sure that's most doors - but ChatGPT said that a door is not made to sustain a 55 kg weight (my weight). Maybe I'm overthinking but I just really don't want anything to go wrong and I can't afford to test it and break a door off its hinges in the process, lol.