[Hang] Correct/optimal positioning of the rope around the neck

[Suizident]

Hello,

Here in the forum, recommendations are given in various places on how to position the rope
around the neck for full suspension or partial suspension.


What I believe I have now understood
(please confirm or correct me if necessary):

- Definitely use a slipknot or a noose knot (since the term "slipknot" seems to be ambiguous, I prefer the noose knot)​

- The knot should definitely be positioned in the center of the neck (both vertically and horizontally in the center of the neck, or only horizontally in the center?​

As for the "height" of the rope on the neck, I am still undecided:

- A few sources in the forum state that the rope should be positioned vertically in the center between the Adam's apple and the lower neck
. For some reason, this position seems to be better for partial suspension hanging
than a higher position where the carotid arteries are closer to the surface of the skin. However, I do not understand why this
position below the Adam's apple is supposed to be better for partial suspension hanging.

- For full suspension, some sources in the forum state that the rope should be placed as high as possible on the neck,
directly below the chin.

-Others take the trouble to find the pulse, and thus the stele where the carotid arteries are closer to
the surface of the skin and can apparently be pressed more easily by the rope. I felt for my pulse,
which is above the Adam's apple and relatively close to the lower neck, but still a little lower. This means that
if I were to follow the recommendation to position the rope as high as possible on the neck, below the chin,
the rope would be above the spot where the pulse is best felt.​

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What does this mean? Should the rope be positioned at the level of the pulse if you are confident that you can
determine the level of the pulse reliably, and if you do not believe you can determine the pulse reliably,
as high up on the neck as possible, below the chin? As the second-best alternative, so to speak? Or why
are there these two different recommendations (feel the pulse vs. place the rope very high up below the chin)?

In the videos I have watched, it looks as if the rope is always placed at the very top of the neck,
below the chin (as far as can be seen). So either the rope was
placed that high from the start, or it slipped upwards?


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Many thanks and best regards,
Suizident

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[Realgar]

I think a slipknot can be unfastened quickly, but a noose knot can not. Perhaps somebody could be kind enough to clarify as I might be wrong.
If slipknot can be unloosed quickly, then this might be the best knot to practice with. Perhaps some hanging experts can comment please?
If slipknot can be unloosed quickly, then this might be the best knot to practice with. Perhaps some hanging experts can comment please?

 

[Suizident]

Hello,

Are there any other opinions on this topic?

Many thanks and best regards,
Suizident

 

[abysss.s]

Hello,

Are there any other opinions on this topic?

Many thanks and best regards,
Suizident

Boost bc im interested as well

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Hello,

Here in the forum, recommendations are given in various places on how to position the rope
around the neck for full suspension or partial suspension.


What I believe I have now understood
(please confirm or correct me if necessary):

- Definitely use a slipknot or a noose knot (since the term "slipknot" seems to be ambiguous, I prefer the noose knot)​

- The knot should definitely be positioned in the center of the neck (both vertically and horizontally in the center of the neck, or only horizontally in the center?​

As for the "height" of the rope on the neck, I am still undecided:

- A few sources in the forum state that the rope should be positioned vertically in the center between the Adam's apple and the lower neck
. For some reason, this position seems to be better for partial suspension hanging
than a higher position where the carotid arteries are closer to the surface of the skin. However, I do not understand why this
position below the Adam's apple is supposed to be better for partial suspension hanging.

- For full suspension, some sources in the forum state that the rope should be placed as high as possible on the neck,
directly below the chin.

-Others take the trouble to find the pulse, and thus the stele where the carotid arteries are closer to
the surface of the skin and can apparently be pressed more easily by the rope. I felt for my pulse,
which is above the Adam's apple and relatively close to the lower neck, but still a little lower. This means that
if I were to follow the recommendation to position the rope as high as possible on the neck, below the chin,
the rope would be above the spot where the pulse is best felt.​

-----

What does this mean? Should the rope be positioned at the level of the pulse if you are confident that you can
determine the level of the pulse reliably, and if you do not believe you can determine the pulse reliably,
as high up on the neck as possible, below the chin? As the second-best alternative, so to speak? Or why
are there these two different recommendations (feel the pulse vs. place the rope very high up below the chin)?

In the videos I have watched, it looks as if the rope is always placed at the very top of the neck,
below the chin (as far as can be seen). So either the rope was
placed that high from the start, or it slipped upwards?


-----
Many thanks and best regards,
Suizident

​

If you hang full or stand upright the rope slips automatically as high as possible directly below the chin/jaw. In any case the knot should be positioned around the back of the neck.
All knots that form an a eylet around the rope and create this way a constricting loop, a noose are suitable.

 

[Suizident]

Hello,

Some time after I first opened this thread, here is an update on the EP with new knowledge, but also with some specific questions.


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I am aware of the positioning of the noose on the head for full suspense hanging recommended in the forum. These three criteria should be met:

1. Definitely only a noose knot (with a stopper knot) should be considered
2. Push the sling as high up the neck as possible
3. Position the knot "perfectly" behind the head.

If you do it this way, it is certainly very, very good. But if you think about it very carefully,it still leaves some questions unanswered.

I am familiar with Evenly Threads and the various recommendations. Hopefully, I haven'toverlooked anything and am asking stupid questions here. ;)

"2. Slide the noose as high up the neck as possible."

The neck is not exactly straight. The back of the neck is longerthan the front of the chin. Therefore, the loop must sit "crooked" on the head(higher at the back than at the front). So far, so good.

At the front, the chin limits how high the loop can sit. There is no such natural limitation at the back of the head. So there issome room for interpretation. I would say that it is appropriate at the hairline, or slightly above it. However, some people seem to do it completely differently and still be successful. In the following video, the bone is at the back in the middle of the head, in the middle of the hair. Nevertheless, the man seems to lose consciousness very quickly, so it can't have been that wrong . What also happens to the man
Nevertheless, the man seems to lose consciousness very quickly, so it can't have been that wrong. What is also striking about the man is that the noose is very far away from his body at the back, i.e. the "eye" at the back is very wide.

It is probably only because of the large noose that the knot is so high up on the back of the head. Whether the knot slides up after leaving the chair is not clear to me in the video. In Evelyn's collection thread, it is mentioned as a particularly successful example of rapid unconsciousness.

This is the video in question:

https://videos2.watchpeopledie.tv/17033690077027779.mp4

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Next, how tight should the noose be around the neck? I assume the noose should be slightly tight, but not too tight. I assume you should give the noose enough slack so that it can still slide into its "natural" position after leaving the chair. So, if necessary, even higher at the back.

In other words, you should perhaps tighten it just enough so that even in the worst case scenario, it does not slip down when you leave the chair.



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Many thanks and best regards,
Suizident.

 

[JesiBel]

Well, in the video they didn't use a self-tightening knot but a fixed knot for the ligature. And that's why there's an "empty" space behind the neck that extends all the way up the head.

The carotid arteries are on both sides of the neck, and compressing them well will guarantee you lose consciousness quickly.

With a self-tightening knot you ensure that you encircle the entire neck well and apply pressure more evenly around its circumference. Because of your weight, this kind of knot will close to the maximum and the ligature will penetrate deeply.
There is an example photo of this topic.

If you have two options and one is better than the other, which would you use? The answer is obvious.

It's clear that everyone can do what they want in the end and experiment with all the possibilities, but there's no point in overcomplicating something that's too simple.

You can pre-adjust the ligature around your neck, and then when you take the "step into the void" it will finish closing completely on its own when your body falls and you are suspended in the air + the force of gravity pulling you down

• Ligature position: under the jaw, more or less at the height of the Hyoid Bone, which is above of the Adam's apple (laryngeal prominence).
• Ligature knot: behind the neck in the center.
(Example photos)

I'm attaching another photo: deep compression of a self-tightening knot (warning! sensitive content)

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[Gustav Hartmann]

The noose cannot close completly, this is physical impossible. You can test it easily when you put something cylindrical in the noose, for example a barrel, and pull on the rope as strong as you can. If there is no friction in the knot there will be an angle of 120 degrees between the two legs of rope that lead to the knot. The more friction is in the knot the smaller is this angle. In a real hanging situation the noose is not in one plane but the principle is the same.

The noose should be as tight and high (no slack between knot and anchor point) as possible before you hang. When you hang the diameter of your neck is reduced by the rope, which digs deep into our neck, up to 50%. This would make the above mentioned angle smaller if the noose would not constrict. If you use a constricting noose, the knot slips down as far as the friction in the knot allows.

You don't have to care about this because it all happens automatically, driven by gravity.

 

[itsgone2]

The noose should be as tight and high (no slack between knot and anchor point) as possible before you hang.

Really? Have I always been missing this fact? I did move my noose higher during last test but it's not this high.