For the people that claim that SaSu is dangerous and causes people to CTB

[hughmun9]

Just by looking at the numbers, supposedly there's around 500 goodbye threads on this site. I don't know if this is accurate but if SaSu has been around since March 2018 (that's the earliest post I could find, maybe it's been around for longer), that's 8 years. Out of 65,447 registered users that's a rate of 95 per 100,000 per year which is 10x the rate of suicide globally.

But a quick google search states that the rate of suicide for a MH illness such as bipolar is 10 to 30 times higher than average. I'm not saying everyone on SaSu is bipolar, but you could make the case that people that have gone through the trouble of signing up on SaSu are either struggling with a mental health issue or difficult life circumstances or both. Either way they're more likely to CTB than the average person. Are they 10x more likely to compared with the average person? Could very well be.

This is not taking in consideration all the people that CTB on this website without making a thread, but I think the numbers are overall fairly low for a website that allegedly 'drives people to CTB'

 

[buriedinmyhead]

People will take one look at the website and immediately write it off as the site that encourages people to die. If it weren't for this site, I'd probably have attempted already (and in a very unsafe manner that would likely leave me with medical issues). None of them want to actually understand how we think and feel, they just want everyone to keep their issues private and not bother anyone, that way when a person kills themself, they can say that they had no idea why they would do it.

 

[nayomi]

i mean lots of people die without posting...
but people here are in pretty much hardcore si population too so kinda hard to know if we lower the population that ctb or not. maybe we should comper it to si population .
i think it is more belief based rather than some fact, kinda hard to make an ethical study about this site too.

what we know for sure that they prefer we die in silence rather seeing the truth

 

[Aflame5926]

yep same. if i wouldnt found this site i was planning to buy a lot of opiods.

but the good bye threads doesnt mean anything. i bet there are plent of people that went without a good bye thread.

the speed of mental health care is not helping aswell. people think they can magicly fix people but they don't
current society and AI are certainly not helping to it. there are plenty of reason even outside diagnoses to CTB imho

 

[hughmun9]

i mean lots of people die without posting...
but people here are in pretty much hardcore si population too so kinda hard to know if we lower the population that ctb or not. maybe we should comper it to si population .
i think it is more belief based rather than some fact, kinda hard to make an ethical study about this site too.

what we know for sure that they prefer we die in silence rather seeing the truth

That is true. But after googling to see how many suicides have been linked to the forum by the police regardless of whether they made a goodbye thread or not the numbers are still close within this range. And when looking at those numbers you'd have to expand the total number of users since I've only taken the registered users into account, there's hundreds of thousands of people that have access to the forum but don't have an account, and this would significantly lower the rate.

I'm not claiming to have made an ethical study on Sasu, but at first glance at least, this site hasn't risen the likelihood of suicide of people accessing it, if you assume that this population is already at risk.

I do admit however that I am sometimes uncomfortable with the age of some people on here. I'm afraid kids can just check the box to say they're over the age of 18 and get access to the site.

And ... the partners thread I don't feel great about

 

[neverexistedd]

I hate people because everyone wants to pretend they're the good ones fighting the evil ones, and no one will ever stop and think that maybe they're not as good as they think they are

 

[DignifiedGrave]

I hate people because everyone wants to pretend they're the good ones fighting the evil ones, and no one will ever stop and think that maybe they're not as good as they think they are

Wait a minute- were evil
But seriously people like that are really just doing harm by tryna remove helpful resources that in all likelihood save more than kill. Theres plenty of threads by people who got better and then moved on and people who did that but silently. They just distract from real issues like lack of Healthcare, housing, food, employment opportunity, etc. Not saying fixing those will erase suicide but we'd all be a lot less fucking stressed if we could sulk in our lonesome without fear of hunger, homelessness, or lack of access to therapy and antidepressants.

 

[kanamycinklavsta]

if anything, SaSu gives people resources to ctb safely. and not only that, there is a strong sense of community here. i've honestly felt better and much less suicidal within the first week or so i've been posting on this site, despite knowing about it for years before i ever made an account. at least people go away without any long lasting harm, and/or knowing that people will be thinking about them if they post a goodbye thread. the issue with this world is the lack of mh resources and people around to support us, not SaSu. SaSu is a side effect of how the world treats people like us.

 

[pieceoffox]

and not only that, there is a strong sense of community here

Absolutely! I've never seen such a pleasant and comfortable community. I'm usually very nervous about expressing myself in any way in public, but here I feel absolutely no anxiety when writing a post or leaving a comment

 

[kanamycinklavsta]

here I feel absolutely no anxiety when writing a post or leaving a comment

likewise!

 

[BradGuy123]

I have found this forum very supportive of people having mental health issues. I've tried to offer words of comfort when I could. I was having a difficult time and I got a private message from someone who said just what I needed to hear. The way the media portrays this site is all the posts here are people saying they want to CTB and all the replies are saying "Go for it! Here are the exact steps." That couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[808sandheartbreak]

My honest guess is that most people come here for connection and understanding, regardless of where they are in their plans to ctb. I spend a lot of time on here and I've noticed there is no real common thread amongst us; we're all different ages, demographics, at different points in our depression, and some of us aren't even actively suicidal. We're just humans that don't want to be alone. That never goes away, even if we intend to die by our own hand, even if most people can't understand how hard life is for a lot of us here.

I think the only real thing we all have in common is that we are willing to witness someone's true pain without judging them. I find that amazing.

 

[fadedghost]

Just by looking at the numbers, supposedly there's around 500 goodbye threads on this site. I don't know if this is accurate but if SaSu has been around since March 2018 (that's the earliest post I could find, maybe it's been around for longer), that's 8 years. Out of 65,447 registered users that's a rate of 95 per 100,000 per year which is 10x the rate of suicide globally.

But a quick google search states that the rate of suicide for a MH illness such as bipolar is 10 to 30 times higher than average. I'm not saying everyone on SaSu is bipolar, but you could make the case that people that have gone through the trouble of signing up on SaSu are either struggling with a mental health issue or difficult life circumstances or both. Either way they're more likely to CTB than the average person. Are they 10x more likely to compared with the average person? Could very well be.

This is not taking in consideration all the people that CTB on this website without making a thread, but I think the numbers are overall fairly low for a website that allegedly 'drives people to CTB'

Yeah, we really can't know for sure because there's no easy way to get data on suicidal people because when you tell a professional or a family member or 988 or the government you feel suicidal, they imprison you in a tiny room nearly naked with super cold temperatures and nothing to do for many days and then drug the shit out of you and then a few days later keep you with other people being doped up and then only let you leave a long time later with a hefty bill and financial ruin (at least in some countries) and so, consequently, many suicidal people don't request help.

"Call 988! Call 988! Let the government locate you, drug you, imprison you in a medical gown in a suicide room and drug the shit out you!" the billboards claim over and over.

And yet for some strange reason, not every suicidal person tells people that they are suicidal. Hmm...

This site is actually a really interesting place for suicidologists who study suicides because even though there isn't a lot of hard numerical data, there's lots of other kinds of data. There was a study on language and connections among people and who was most likely to post a goodbye thread done by suicidologists that was really interesting that was all about SaSu!

 

[aego]

Just by looking at the numbers, supposedly there's around 500 goodbye threads on this site. I don't know if this is accurate but if SaSu has been around since March 2018 (that's the earliest post I could find, maybe it's been around for longer), that's 8 years. Out of 65,447 registered users that's a rate of 95 per 100,000 per year which is 10x the rate of suicide globally.

But a quick google search states that the rate of suicide for a MH illness such as bipolar is 10 to 30 times higher than average. I'm not saying everyone on SaSu is bipolar, but you could make the case that people that have gone through the trouble of signing up on SaSu are either struggling with a mental health issue or difficult life circumstances or both. Either way they're more likely to CTB than the average person. Are they 10x more likely to compared with the average person? Could very well be.

This is not taking in consideration all the people that CTB on this website without making a thread, but I think the numbers are overall fairly low for a website that allegedly 'drives people to CTB'

without this site i was legit gonna chug all of the otc pain meds in my house, so this is at least an informative place