@SourceEnergy I get what you're saying. It's a fine line for me knowing what to say, because I hate to stray near pro-life territory, I respect anyone's wish to CTB if they are of age and they are really sure. It's hard because we are not therapists and we don't know what someone else's life is like or how fixable it is. But 21 IS young to give up on life and think it'll never get better, especially on the relationship side. It's not hopeless, maybe it was for OP or maybe it wasn't-we can't know that, not from what little they posted. They might not know that either. And yeh things didn't get better for you or me (also suicidal since early teens) and hell I wish I'd CTB years ago, but people have said it did get better for them, so it's possible. You can't know it would be a wasted life, and either way it's still sad.