Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[pappapgold]

Don't know if you have it available, but you could use the search function.

I've been searching and going through threads trying to find it. It was just an updated thread about inert gas and methods. She even stated she made the thread since this one got so big. I wish I would have saved it

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

I've been searching and going through threads trying to find it. It was just an updated thread about inert gas and methods. She even stated she made the thread since this one got so big. I wish I would have saved it

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-inert-gas-materials-canada.194144/ ? Though there's no mentioning of this thread.

 

[zardofan]

Idk if it could be this one? But same, I don't see mention of the mega.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-experts-out-there.196513/

Personally I like the mega, so I don't have to go nuts trying to find every gas thread. But yes it is quite long.

 

[private.nickname]

You'd be surprised to find out the little amount of welding equipment they've in Ireland. I've to buy most of the equipment from the UK or other countries in the EU.

That's the point of my message. You don't need a special welding shop to buy a hose barb like the one in the picture you posted, or any other hoses and fittings that are installed after the pressure regulator. All of this is available at a regular hardware store that sells various water pipes and fittings. I don't know what the correct English word is: hardware store, building store, or something else. A store that sells everything for building and repairing a house (paint, tools, garden hoses, etc.).

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

That's the point of my message. You don't need a special welding shop to buy a hose barb like the one in the picture you posted, or any other hoses and fittings that are installed after the pressure regulator. All of this is available at a regular hardware store that sells various water pipes and fittings. I don't know what the correct English word is: hardware store, building store, or something else. A store that sells everything for building and repairing a house (paint, tools, garden hoses, etc.).

Actually, it's hard to find a female M12x1 hose barb → 3/8"

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Argon flow meter arrived. It comes with a hose barb already. The diameter I measured it (inner portion of the outlet) to be 0.50cm. Which is not 3/8". Did I measure correctly? I measured the bottom of the barb where the exhaust is (outlet). What is a fraction for inches that results in 0.50cm? I'm afraid I'll have to find a double sided barb with different sizes for each side as I'm pretty sure the eebd hose will be something different (. maybe 3/8"?).

LE: 3/16" seems to match. It converts to 0.47625cm. according to a table this means the outer diameter is 5/16" which translates as slightly less than 3/8" when converted to cm. definitely the eebd hose inner diameter will be bigger than this - should I be worried that I might get a leak if I use a 3/8" inner diameter hose with hose clamps on the flow meter hose barb? Assuming the eebd hose is 3/8"

LLE: with a hose of 5/16" to match flow meter barb, and, with a 8mm double sided barb, the eebd hose (assuming 3/8" inner diameter) will be ~1.5mm larger than the double sided hose barb side facing the eebd. If I use a hose clamp, should I be worried about leaks?

 

[Argonus]

Is the Green EEBD hood supposed to have spring tensioned exhale valve? At least onces I have it is just rubber flap. Putting gas in the hood simply pushes the exhale valve open emptying the hood of gas. I ordered SCBA mask to be sure, but still have the EEBD masks too.

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Is the Green EEBD hood supposed to have spring tensioned exhale valve? At least onces I have it is just rubber flap. Putting gas in the hood simply pushes the exhale valve open emptying the hood of gas. I ordered SCBA mask to be sure, but still have the EEBD masks too.

Most eebd hoods have exhale valve to purge CO2. This is what you want. Inert gas in, CO2 out.

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Argon flow meter arrived. It comes with a hose barb already. The diameter I measured it (inner portion of the outlet) to be 0.50cm. Which is not 3/8". Did I measure correctly? I measured the bottom of the barb where the exhaust is (outlet). What is a fraction for inches that results in 0.50cm? I'm afraid I'll have to find a double sided barb with different sizes for each side as I'm pretty sure the eebd hose will be something different (. maybe 3/8"?).

LE: 3/16" seems to match. It converts to 0.47625cm. according to a table this means the outer diameter is 5/16" which translates as slightly less than 3/8" when converted to cm. definitely the eebd hose inner diameter will be bigger than this - should I be worried that I might get a leak if I use a 3/8" inner diameter hose with hose clamps on the flow meter hose barb? Assuming the eebd hose is 3/8"

LLE: with a hose of 5/16" to match flow meter barb, and, with a 8mm double sided barb, the eebd hose (assuming 3/8" inner diameter) will be ~1.5mm larger than the double sided hose barb side facing the eebd. If I use a hose clamp, should I be worried about leaks?

Bump. Any thoughts on this, folks?

LE: what are the downsides of choosing a hose barb bigger (with 2 and 0.5mm) than the hoses? I'm thinking this way the hoses will be more secure but I fear rupture or not fitting on the hose barb in the first place. Any suggestions?

 

[pappapgold]

I know everyone is against oxygen mask.
What if you used it along with the exit bag.

Insert the oxygen tube to the end of the lube going into the bag then open a hole in the side of tube from the tank.

You'll still get the pressure to the bag but you'll also get some of the gas straight to your face. It would in theory keep co2 away from coming back in.

Any advice is welcome
Just a mock up to see how it would go together

 

[zardofan]

Bump. Any thoughts on this, folks?

LE: what are the downsides of choosing a hose barb bigger (with 2 and 0.5mm) than the hoses? I'm thinking this way the hoses will be more secure but I fear rupture or not fitting on the hose barb in the first place. Any suggestions?

Im not sure at all, but with mine, the hose barb measurement was the widest (base) part of the barb. Which in my case was 1/4in. Then I got 1/4in ID hose which has an OD of 3/8in. I also got 1/4in hose clamp to make sure it's tight although that's prob more than I needed. The hose was so tight I couldn't budge it once I got it on. I don't think you'd be able to get the hose on with a larger barb.

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Im not sure at all, but with mine, the hose barb measurement was the widest (base) part of the barb. Which in my case was 1/4in. Then I got 1/4in ID hose which has an OD of 3/8in. I also got 1/4in hose clamp to make sure it's tight although that's prob more than I needed. The hose was so tight I couldn't budge it once I got it on. I don't think you'd be able to get the hose on with a larger barb.

Are you using an eebd or going with an exit bag?

 

[zardofan]

Are you using an eebd or going with an exit bag?

Bag. I purchased an Allegro hood but got worried about the connections. I'm also on the forums you can access when you buy PPEH. I felt reassured that I'll succeed with just bag versus possibility of leaks at the hood's connection points. Between here and there I've learned SO much. I appreciate the generosity of people sharing their knowledge!

 

[HouseofMortok]

Found a kit, comes with this regulator, but I'm struggling to convert bar/psi to lpm. Not sure if online calucators are correct. What would I set it on, on this regulator for 20 lpm?

The bottle holds 1200 litres. Which at 20 lpm should be 60 minutes run time.

It's this kit vs buying 4x 220L disposables and x4 regulators.

Thanks

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Found a kit, comes with this regulator, but I'm struggling to convert bar/psi to lpm. Not sure if online calucators are correct. What would I set it on, on this regulator for 20 lpm?

The bottle holds 1200 litres. Which at 20 lpm should be 60 minutes run time.

It's this kit vs buying 4x 220L disposables and x4 regulators.

Thanks
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There's no way to convert psi/bar to LPM. You'll have to buy a separate flow meter if you can't get the tank alone. A flow meter shows LPM in its reading. If you can't find one for N2 you might have to go with argon and use the table in this thread to convert to nitrogen.

From previous calculations, nitrogen LPM on the left is LPM argon reading on the right:

1.19 x 15lpm = 17.85 argon LPM reading
1.19 x 25lpm = 29.75 argon LPM reading

 

[devils~advocate]

Bump. Any thoughts on this, folks?

LE: what are the downsides of choosing a hose barb bigger (with 2 and 0.5mm) than the hoses? I'm thinking this way the hoses will be more secure but I fear rupture or not fitting on the hose barb in the first place. Any suggestions?

Do you have a measurement for the EEBD hose? Inner & outer diameter

There are hose barb that are dual

This particular one is 5/16" to 1/2"

Bag. I purchased an Allegro hood but got worried about the connections. I'm also on the forums you can access when you buy PPEH. I felt reassured that I'll succeed with just bag versus possibility of leaks at the hood's connection points. Between here and there I've learned SO much. I appreciate the generosity of people sharing their knowledge!

Do you have a measurement for the hose from the Allegro hood? inner/outer diameter
Good to know this information. I can try looking for barb connections.
Or any information on the diameter of the quick connect that comes with this particular hood




Edit: the plug above is part number 9700-73B plug OBAC.......from a search, it shows up as being 1/4"

 

[HouseofMortok]

There's no way to convert psi/bar to LPM. You'll have to buy a separate flow meter if you can't get the tank alone. A flow meter shows LPM in its reading. If you can't find one for N2 you might have to go with argon and use the table in this thread to convert to nitrogen.

From previous calculations, nitrogen LPM on the left is LPM argon reading on the right:

1.19 x 15lpm = 17.85 argon LPM reading
1.19 x 25lpm = 29.75 argon LPM reading

Thank you, found an Argon one, same litres, but the regulator for that is in lpm, which I can use your calculation.

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Do you have a measurement for the EEBD hose? Inner & outer diameter

There are hose barb that are dual

This particular one is 5/16" to 1/2"

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Do you have a measurement for the hose from the Allegro hood? inner/outer diameter
Good to know this information. I can try looking for barb connections.

I found a double sided hose barb that'll fit my hoses if the eebd proves to be what I think the id will be.

Thank you, found an Argon one, same litres, but the regulator for that is in lpm, which I can use your calculation.

Be careful if you're using argon as your inert gas of choice. Usually it's not pure enough to transition with. I might be wrong, though I'd go with nitrogen (oxygen free) and use argon flow meter on the tank alongside table for calculations. Note that fittings might be harder to achieve with this setup if you use eebd/scba/elsa

 

[devils~advocate]

I found a double sided hose barb that'll fit my hoses if the eebd proves to be what I think the id will be.

When you find out the size, if you can please post.
Good information for others so they don't have to hunt & find fittings.

 

[zardofan]

Do you have a measurement for the hose from the Allegro hood? inner/outer diameter
Good to know this information. I can try looking for barb connections.
Or any information on the diameter of the quick connect that comes with this particular hood

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Edit: the plug above is part number 9700-73B plug OBAC.......from a search, it shows up as being 1/4"

Yes I do, here it is! And you are right, the plug on the hose is 1/4"

Hood: Allegro Industries 9910-D

Coupler: Milton Industries Inc. 764 HI-Flo V-Style 1/4-Inch Brass Body

Hose barb: U.S. Solid Brass Hose Fitting, Adapter, 1/4" Barb x 1/4" NPT Male Pipe Fittings

Hose: 1/4" ID, 3/8" OD x 20ft vinyl tubing

Fitting to regulator: Argon Nut & Nipple x 1/4"
Hose Barb, Mig Tig Welding Fitting Inert Gas

Regulator: J.W. Harris 3100200 Flowmeter
Regulator, 355-2-AR-580

Tank: 60 (N2)

 

[daysfeel]

So basically. You'll need to buy the 40cfm tank, buy a regulator that screws on to the tank, and then get a long enough hose, turkey roasting bag and a drawcord. And then you're set.

 

[zardofan]

So basically. You'll need to buy the 40cfm tank, buy a regulator that screws on to the tank, and then get a long enough hose, turkey roasting bag and a drawcord. And then you're set.

Yep. And the hose barb to connect regulator to hose, and possibly an hose clamp (flat head screwdriver needed) to clamp hose onto the barb. Maybe some regulators come with the barb, mine did not.

And the toggles for the draw cord. And if you don't own a wrench, get one, finger tightening the regulator isn't enough. And do the math if you have to convert anything.

And then, as you say, you're set.

 

[gettingkindatired]

I've been studying the nitrogen method a bit, but it doesn't seem to be all that swift and pleasant for me.

I have tried out this experiment several times. I filled a big plastic bag with nitrogen. Then I started to inhale from the bag and exhale into the open air. I assumed this would cause a similar experience to a real attempt, without any risks of injury. After 60 seconds or so this was getting really unpleasant, but I didn't feel like I was losing conciousness.
(For comparison, I can draw a deep breath of air and hold it for 90 seconds with less distress.)

Any idea why I react in this way?
- I suppose some oxygen will seep into the bag and my lungs when I breathe, but it shouldn't be enough to keep me concious for this long.
- I don't believe my nitrogen is contaminated by carbon dioxide or anything else. I have bought two bottles from different suppliers, so getting deficient products twice would be very unlikely. And even if it was contaminated, my negative reaction should be instant, not a gradual increase.

 

[outrider567]

I've been studying the nitrogen method a bit, but it doesn't seem to be all that swift and pleasant for me.

I have tried out this experiment several times. I filled a big plastic bag with nitrogen. Then I started to inhale from the bag and exhale into the open air. I assumed this would cause a similar experience to a real attempt, without any risks of injury. After 60 seconds or so this was getting really unpleasant, but I didn't feel like I was losing conciousness.
(For comparison, I can draw a deep breath of air and hold it for 90 seconds with less distress.)

Any idea why I react in this way?
- I suppose some oxygen will seep into the bag and my lungs when I breathe, but it shouldn't be enough to keep me concious for this long.
- I don't believe my nitrogen is contaminated by carbon dioxide or anything else. I have bought two bottles from different suppliers, so getting deficient products twice would be very unlikely. And even if it was contaminated, my negative reaction should be instant, not a gradual increase.

You don't exhale into the open air, you exhale into the bag, that bag must be completely over your head, and get an oximeter to watch your Oxygen levels(ten second delay on actual readings don't forget)--An EEBD hood is more reliable, after just 5 breaths my Oxygen level dropped to 40(but took the hood off at 77)at 25 LPM

 

[gettingkindatired]

You don't exhale into the open air, you exhale into the bag, that bag must be completely over your head, and get an oximeter to watch your Oxygen levels(ten second delay on actual readings don't forget)--An EEBD hood is more reliable, after just 5 breaths my Oxygen level dropped to 40(but took the hood off at 77)at 25 LPM

Thanks, but you must have misread. I wrote that I wanted to create an experience similar to an attempt, without risk of injury. Practice sessions with hood/bag pulled down and gas flowing would be too unsafe for my taste.

But how did you feel physically and mentally during your trial, if I may ask?

 

[outrider567]

Thanks, but you must have misread. I wrote that I wanted to create an experience similar to an attempt, without risk of injury. Practice sessions with hood/bag pulled down and gas flowing would be too unsafe for my taste.

But how did you feel physically and mentally during your trial, if I may ask?

I didn't misread anything, you complained about the Nitrogen method, yet you did a faulty test that means nothing--Of course what I did was unsafe, but don't make ill informed remarks about the effectiveness of the foolproof Nitrogen method by doing a test that is, frankly, ridiculous
I felt fine both physically and mentally even when the Oximeter dropped to 40(supposedly you don't pass out til your Oxygen drops to 25)--Das_Nichts passed out doing the test, only saved because he fell down, dislodging the tubing--He stated that he peacefully went unconscious

 

[HouseofMortok]

The moment you took a breath from that bag it was diluted with oxygen.

 

[zardofan]

A note of caution: just want to remind folks that seriously lethal methods are not to be played with and can't really be "tested" to "see what it's like" without risking accidentally dying. My best suggestion is to read real accounts of witnessed hypoxia w inert gasses, follow the well established protocol without attempting to improve on it, practice by doing dry runs without the gas on, and if/when ready, turn the gas on. Can you still fail? Sure. But your chances for success are a lot better if you replicate the tried and true and don't mess with it. Inert gasses in particular are hailed for being super quick (~minute to LOC, 10-30 for death) and almost as peaceful as N. The pain in the ass with the method is how complicated it is to set up (well, expensive too). This is why there's so much discussion about tiny details. A zero oxygen environment will kill you, period. But trying to experience it without actually dying is super risky and could even be called a fool's errand. PPEH is an excellent resource for the curious.

 

[gettingkindatired]

I didn't misread anything, you complained about the Nitrogen method, yet you did a faulty test that means nothing--Of course what I did was unsafe, but don't make ill informed remarks about the effectiveness of the foolproof Nitrogen method by doing a test that is, frankly, ridiculous

I don't really see the problems with my testing method. Could you explain?
If I fill a bag with nitrogen and pinch it closed with my hand, its atmosphere should be close to 100% N2. As I put it to my mouth and release the grip some oxygen may seep in, as I stated, but it should not be very much. On the other hand, no remaining O2 or CO2 from my lungs will enter the bag it if I exhale into the surrounding air. (I wore a clip on my nose to prevent any air entering the lungs through that route.)

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Today I confirmed my hose needs to be 5/16". I made the order. Should the hose just slide relatively easy on the flow meter barb? It fits but it feels just too easy and I fear once I turn on the N2 at 25lpm that the hose will come right off. Is this a valid concern? Should I buy a hose clamp?