Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Argonus]

Ive read that the dual stage ones can give finer control over the output, esp at low pressure settings. Which is hte kind of pressure a hood/bag system uses...low ones.
I'd probably say use a different gas, but argon is an inert gas & causes asphyxiation just like helium or nitrogen.
10 liters (water capacity of cylinder) ....probably about the same as 2.2 m3 or about 77 cubic feet of compressed gas argon.
This is more than enough.

What is the reason to not recommend argon gas? It has the same effect as other inert gasses, but just is heavier and does not float the same way?

 

[devils~advocate]

What is the reason to not recommend argon gas? It has the same effect as other inert gasses, but just is heavier and does not float the same way?

I havent heard of any reasonings not to use it. I thought nitrogen could give a sense of euphoria and an almost anesthetic effect.
Yes it acts the same way as an asphyxiant. Probably easier to get as well.

 

[derekWest]

why not just fill in a bag of a inert gas and put it on the head with tightnening on the neck ? chris docker (5 last acts) said it's work

it can avoid using complex regulator system !

 

[Omano]

What's SI like with this method? I've tried partial suspension hanging, but always panic and throw the rope off when I start to feel lightheaded and like I'm about to pass out. From my understanding I'd get a similar lightheaded feeling with this method. What are the chances of getting scared and ripping the bag off before I pass out?

 

[iamgood]

I havent heard of any reasonings not to use it. I thought nitrogen could give a sense of euphoria and an almost anesthetic effect.
Yes it acts the same way as an asphyxiant. Probably easier to get as well.

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[devils~advocate]

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I checked...doesnt seem to be one that has come from you.

 

[iamgood]

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What do you mean ? I asked about the model. Please only reply there since I have to keep my location private

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Hi folks. How about tachycardia. Would it be so bad to trigger one to cancel before being able to securely strap? When does it kick in? Is it before losing consciousness?

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

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Exit Hood Method (using manufactured hood)

https://www.allegrosafety.com/product/tyvek-supplied-air-respirator-hood/

These items are readily available on Amazon & Ebay

How to connect to the hose that connects to the regulator?

Actually after thinking about it....you could use just the vinyl hose & the barb that comes with the regulator.

Instead you can get:
Barb fitting w/ male threads
Quick Connect Coupler 'V' style - Female

This barb fitting would fit into the coupler. I'd say to use some hose clamps, sealant tape...should be air tight.

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I've the following setup:
1. Gas who has output 5/8" bsp female
2. Regulator, nitrogen, 5/8" BSP input, 3/8" BSP output
3. Hose with 3/8" connectors at both ends
4. Cut one end of the hose
5. Fit in barb with hose clamp - WHAT TO USE?
6. Connect barb to quick connect - WHICH ONE TO USE?
7. Connect coupler to adapter - WHICH ONE TO USE?

Can you clarify last 3 questions, please?

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

I changed my hose

Hose barb

Can't find Quick Connect Coupler 'V' style - Female that fits 3/8" output from the barb

Same for the male part. I can find only 1/4"

Should I search a barb that has output of 1/4"?
Ok. I found hose barb 3/8" to 1/4"

 

[devils~advocate]

How to connect to the hose that connects to the regulator?

I've the following setup:
1. Gas who has output 5/8" bsp female
2. Regulator, nitrogen, 5/8" BSP input, 3/8" BSP output
3. Hose with 3/8" connectors at both ends
4. Cut one end of the hose
5. Fit in barb with hose clamp - WHAT TO USE?
6. Connect barb to quick connect - WHICH ONE TO USE?
7. Connect coupler to adapter - WHICH ONE TO USE?

Can you clarify last 3 questions, please?

7. The size of the connection from the Allegro hood hose.....I have no idea. That is what is the size basis for the other parts.

Quick Connect Profile Chart

New Line Hose and Fittings for Industrial, Plumbing, Commercial and Retail applications.

www.new-line.com

I believe the connection from the Allegro connection is a High Flow type....but I am unsure....I dont have one to hold & inspect.
You need to find out what type and size it is. Then the rest will be sized to fit it.

It looks like it could be a 1/4" or 3/8" from the photos.




6. The coupler will be based on the size of the quick connect fitting from above.
5. There are a variety of barb sizes.....but it will have to fit whatever coupler you get, which in turn is based on 7.

Can't find Quick Connect Coupler 'V' style - Female that fits 3/8" output from the barb

Same for the male part. I can find only 1/4"

Should I search a barb that has output of 1/4"?
Ok. I found hose barb 3/8" to 1/4"

U.S. Solid 3pcs Brass Hose Barb Reducer Fitting Kits With 6 Clamps 3/8" To 1/4" | eBay

JFFIT00110 3pcs 1/4" Barb x 1/8" Barb. JFFIT00101 3pcs 1/4" Barb x 1/4" Barb. JFFIT00111 3pcs 5/16" Barb x 1/4" Barb. JFFIT00113 3pcs 3/8" Barb x 1/4" Barb. JFFIT00115 3pcs 3/8" Barb x 5/16" Barb. JFFIT00102 3pcs 3/8" Barb x 3/8" Barb.

www.ebay.com

There are usually all sorts of combinations that you can find. You can find one, just keep looking.

The part Im concerned about is the quick connection fitting from the Allegro hood hose.....it could be 1/4 or 3/8...just not sure.
But once you get that size,,,,the rest of the parts can fall into place.
It might take some trial and error to get all the correct parts to work together.

If you find out what size it is, let me know. I can put that data in my guide.

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

7. The size of the connection from the Allegro hood hose.....I have no idea. That is what is the size basis for the other parts.

Quick Connect Profile Chart

New Line Hose and Fittings for Industrial, Plumbing, Commercial and Retail applications.

www.new-line.com

I believe the connection from the Allegro connection is a High Flow type....but I am unsure....I dont have one to hold & inspect.
You need to find out what type and size it is. Then the rest will be sized to fit it.

It looks like it could be a 1/4" or 3/8" from the photos.

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6. The coupler will be based on the size of the quick connect fitting from above.
5. There are a variety of barb sizes.....but it will have to fit whatever coupler you get, which in turn is based on 7.



There are usually all sorts of combinations that you can find. You can find one, just keep looking.

The part Im concerned about is the quick connection fitting from the Allegro hood hose.....it could be 1/4 or 3/8...just not sure.
But once you get that size,,,,the rest of the parts can fall into place.
It might take some trial and error to get all the correct parts to work together.

If you find out what size it is, let me know. I can put that data in my guide.

I've asked a sales rep. Let's see if he's willing to share the information with me. Will tell him I'm looking to buy in case of fire in my house so I've oxygen when I leave the house.

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

I've asked a sales rep. Let's see if he's willing to share the information with me. Will tell him I'm looking to buy in case of fire in my house so I've oxygen when I leave the house.

No answer. Calling kicks in the voicemail. Unfortunately, I'm unable to go down the route of having a callback as I'm in a different timezone (different from USA ones). Someone from North America will have to leave a voicemail and find out if they get called back.

Anyone knows of a hood that's sold in the West that I can purchase to have the setup going? I don't want to buy from Amazon (yes, I know this is western) and neither from dictatorships or India.

 

[devils~advocate]

No answer. Calling kicks in the voicemail. Unfortunately, I'm unable to go down the route of having a callback as I'm in a different timezone (different from USA ones). Someone from North America will have to leave a voicemail and find out if they get called back.

Anyone knows of a hood that's sold in the West that I can purchase to have the setup going? I don't want to buy from Amazon (yes, I know this is western) and neither from dictatorships or India.

Eb-y has these hoods and many more for sale

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Eb-y has these hoods and many more for sale

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Is that eBay you are referring to? And, what is the keyword you searched for? I'm searching for eebd and don't get anything. Elsa returns lots of frozen movie(s) related items. As much as I love the frozen movies, I still want my hood.

You can pm me if you don't want to write it here.

 

[zardofan]

Ok guys I have an update.
Hood: Allegro Industries 9910-D
Coupler: Milton Industries Inc. 764 HI-Flo V-Style 1/4-Inch Brass Body
Hose barb: U.S. Solid Brass Hose Fitting, Adapter, 1/4" Barb x 1/4" NPT Male Pipe Fittings
Hose: 1/4" ID, 3/8" OD x 20ft vinyl tubing
Fitting to regulator: Argon Nut & Nipple x 1/4" Hose Barb, Mig Tig Welding Fitting Inert Gas
Regulator: J.W. Harris 3100200 Flowmeter Regulator, 355-2-AR-580
Tank: 60 (N2)

It all connects. Everything is obtainable at the jungle but also at less evil online vendors. Yet I'm uncertain if I'm using it, only because I feel nervous about leaking at the hood/coupler/adapter. It sounds loud to me but I can't feel any leaking. I'm contemplating cutting the bottom of the hood's hose and just threading the vinyl hose up into the hood. Or I might abandon and just go with the bag I already made.

Re what gas: I've read you can use any of those (N2, He, Ar). You need to correct for your gas depending on your regulator. There are charts in the megathread and also in the thread by @ShatteredSerenity. So you squish the air out of the bag, turn on the gas, pull down the bag. With a hood, I read you turn up the cfm so the air is pushed out a bit fast (also you can hold your breathe while hood fills). The CO2 you breathe out is denser than any of them, so your typical hood or bag, when on your head, allows the gas to stay in the hood/bag while the CO2 is pushed out around the slight openings at your neck. This is why you don't seal the hood around your neck no matter what gas you use, because the CO2 would have nowhere to go.

Anyway. That's what I've got. I had my lawyer meeting yesterday so I have some legal things to finish up before I can CTB. Although yesterday was also the first time I considered hospitalization so idk if my SI was kicking in already or what.

 

[wham311]

Eb-y has these hoods and many more for sale

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Search term?

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

Ok guys I have an update.
Hood: Allegro Industries 9910-D
Coupler: Milton Industries Inc. 764 HI-Flo V-Style 1/4-Inch Brass Body
Hose barb: U.S. Solid Brass Hose Fitting, Adapter, 1/4" Barb x 1/4" NPT Male Pipe Fittings
Hose: 1/4" ID, 3/8" OD x 20ft vinyl tubing
Fitting to regulator: Argon Nut & Nipple x 1/4" Hose Barb, Mig Tig Welding Fitting Inert Gas
Regulator: J.W. Harris 3100200 Flowmeter Regulator, 355-2-AR-580
Tank: 60 (N2)

It all connects. Everything is obtainable at the jungle but also at less evil online vendors. Yet I'm uncertain if I'm using it, only because I feel nervous about leaking at the hood/coupler/adapter. It sounds loud to me but I can't feel any leaking. I'm contemplating cutting the bottom of the hood's hose and just threading the vinyl hose up into the hood. Or I might abandon and just go with the bag I already made.

Re what gas: I've read you can use any of those (N2, He, Ar). You need to correct for your gas depending on your regulator. There are charts in the megathread and also in the thread by @ShatteredSerenity. So you squish the air out of the bag, turn on the gas, pull down the bag. With a hood, I read you turn up the cfm so the air is pushed out a bit fast (also you can hold your breathe while hood fills). The CO2 you breathe out is denser than any of them, so your typical hood or bag, when on your head, allows the gas to stay in the hood/bag while the CO2 is pushed out around the slight openings at your neck. This is why you don't seal the hood around your neck no matter what gas you use, because the CO2 would have nowhere to go.

Anyway. That's what I've got. I had my lawyer meeting yesterday so I have some legal things to finish up before I can CTB. Although yesterday was also the first time I considered hospitalization so idk if my SI was kicking in already or what.

Darn. Wish I could buy the hood that ships to my country.

It's no shame to ask for help if you feel you aren't ready. I'm a big advocate that transitioning to the next stage of being should only be done when we're in overwhelming, inescapable pain that won't get resolved, ever. E.g. health etc.

 

[devils~advocate]

Search term?

Sent you a PM

Darn. Wish I could buy the hood that ships to my country.

It's no shame to ask for help if you feel you aren't ready. I'm a big advocate that transitioning to the next stage of being should only be done when we're in overwhelming, inescapable pain that won't get resolved, ever. E.g. health etc.

So the Hood quick connect plug is 1/4" according to Zardofan's post.
From what I can tell in the hood photo...that fitting is a Hi-Flo V style...which they call 'H' below.




There are also universal female couplers that all the plug styles can fit into.

 

[ExitPark]

Do you think can be a problem if i use the exit bag lying down?

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

I decided I want to go with an eebd. I've got some photos of the diameter of the hose. It looks like it's 3/8" - my plan is to use a hose cutter and then join with a double barb the hose from the reg with that from the eebd

Can someone double check if it's 3/8"?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I decided I want to go with an eebd. I've got some photos of the diameter of the hose. It looks like it's 3/8" - my plan is to use a hose cutter and then join with a double barb the hose from the reg with that from the eebd

Can someone double check if it's 3/8"?

First, you're using the metric side of the scale. Second, I'm not sure the black part is the hose. It is probably a seal or gasket in the fitting.

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

First, you're using the metric side of the scale. Second, I'm not sure the black part is the hose. It is probably a seal or gasket in the fitting.

How should I request they measure it?

And 3/8" = 9.525mm it is fine if they measure it in metric

 

[locked*n*loaded]

How should I request they measure it?

And 3/8" = 9.525mm it is fine if they measure it in metric

If you're going to have to cut the hose anyway, why not just cut it and measure the ID? Then you just get a barb to fit and a couple clamps, right?

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

If you're going to have to cut the hose anyway, why not just cut it and measure the ID? Then you just get a barb to fit and a couple clamps, right?

I thought of that. I want to minimize errors as they're expensive (eebd cost + import costs). I think I'll just risk it, though.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I thought of that. I want to minimize errors as they're expensive (eebd cost + import costs). I think I'll just risk it, though.

You shouldn't really have any errors. Whatever the hose measures, you can get another piece the same dimensions and an appropriately sized barb to join the pieces together. And by cutting the hose close to the fitting and then measuring the ID exactly, you'll know exactly what size barb to get.

 

[martinso67]

I did test the connections for my 3M Scott Elsa Hood setup (only without the gas bottle).

The bad first:
The hood is very tight on my neck. I have to use both hands and some force to put it on/remove it. Does that cause problem with CO2 not leaving much?
Especially I am not really sure the exhale valve is good.
Because I did block the other valve (the one to be connected to the gas bottle) and did breathe in /out heavily. So much that the hood did start to move (like a ballon, inflate/deflate). But I could not feel any air out of the exhale valve (on its side openings)

When I remove the plastic "security" cover (that should be placed on) on the exhale valve, then i can feel some air go out, when breathing.
But this can't be a solution, because that "security" cover holds the valve and it would fall down. I had to hold it by my hand or I have a hole were I can breath in oxygen.




Also it's after a few seconds not really comfortable having this hood on. Uncomfortable in a sense that the air is bad, it's getting slowly warmer and humid in the hood. The CO2 anlyzer (when I wear the hood with the valve not connected to anything) shows over 9999. The worst measurable amount of co2 in the hood.



The good though:
The rectus 95 ks female 1/4 (model 95KSIW13BPN) connects and is suitable with the din477 24,32 Nitrogen regulator. It works as well with the 3M Scott extension cable. that extension is connect on one side with the hood valve and the other end is connected with that rectus adapter. The rectus adapter is a suitable bridge between the 3M scott valve extension (that I use the extend my hood valve) and the nitrogen regulator.


Possible alternative to the 3M Scott Elsa Hood:
Chinese Fire Escape Hood TZL30???

 

[outrider567]

I did test the connections for my 3M Scott Elsa Hood setup (only without the gas bottle).

The bad first:
The hood is very tight on my neck. I have to use both hands and some force to put it on/remove it. Does that cause problem with CO2 not leaving much?
Especially I am not really sure the exhale valve is good.
Because I did block the other valve (the one to be connected to the gas bottle) and did breathe in /out heavily. So much that the hood did start to move (like a ballon, inflate/deflate). But I could not feel any air out of the exhale valve (on its side openings)

When I remove the plastic "security" cover (that should be placed on) on the exhale valve, then i can feel some air go out, when breathing.
But this can't be a solution, because that "security" cover holds the valve and it would fall down. I had to hold it by my hand or I have a hole were I can breath in oxygen.

View attachment 162124
View attachment 162125

Also it's after a few seconds not really comfortable having this hood on. Uncomfortable in a sense that the air is bad, it's getting slowly warmer and humid in the hood. The CO2 anlyzer (when I wear the hood with the valve not connected to anything) shows over 9999. The worst measurable amount of co2 in the hood.
View attachment 162126


The good though:
The rectus 95 ks female 1/4 (model 95KSIW13BPN) connects and is suitable with the din477 24,32 Nitrogen regulator. It works as well with the 3M Scott extension cable. that extension is connect on one side with the hood valve and the other end is connected with that rectus adapter. The rectus adapter is a suitable bridge between the 3M scott valve extension (that I use the extend my hood valve) and the nitrogen regulator.


Possible alternative to the 3M Scott Elsa Hood:
Chinese Fire Escape Hood TZL30???
View attachment 162127

The EEBD Hood is indeed quite tight around the neck, its supposed to be--When I did my test on myself, at 25 LPM, after about 5 breaths, the Oximeter on my finger showed Oxygen down to 77, taking the EEBD Hood off, my Oxygen level continued to plummet all the way to 40!, in the next 5 seconds--Nitrogen just destroys Oxygen

 

[martinso67]

The EEBD Hood is indeed quite tight around the neck, its supposed to be--When I did my test on myself, at 25 LPM, after about 5 breaths, the Oximeter on my finger showed Oxygen down to 77, taking the EEBD Hood off, my Oxygen level continued to plummet all the way to 40!, in the next 5 seconds--Nitrogen just destroys Oxygen

Interesting. I was worried that Co2 will not purged out really through the valve.
Because it takes sometime to loose consciousness. So this increases uncomfortableness and SI.
I think I will strap myself and that that scott hood is hard to put down will make it beneficial as well against SI.

 

[Jdieiejdjaow]

I did test the connections for my 3M Scott Elsa Hood setup (only without the gas bottle).

The bad first:
The hood is very tight on my neck. I have to use both hands and some force to put it on/remove it. Does that cause problem with CO2 not leaving much?
Especially I am not really sure the exhale valve is good.
Because I did block the other valve (the one to be connected to the gas bottle) and did breathe in /out heavily. So much that the hood did start to move (like a ballon, inflate/deflate). But I could not feel any air out of the exhale valve (on its side openings)

When I remove the plastic "security" cover (that should be placed on) on the exhale valve, then i can feel some air go out, when breathing.
But this can't be a solution, because that "security" cover holds the valve and it would fall down. I had to hold it by my hand or I have a hole were I can breath in oxygen.

View attachment 162124
View attachment 162125

Also it's after a few seconds not really comfortable having this hood on. Uncomfortable in a sense that the air is bad, it's getting slowly warmer and humid in the hood. The CO2 anlyzer (when I wear the hood with the valve not connected to anything) shows over 9999. The worst measurable amount of co2 in the hood.
View attachment 162126


The good though:
The rectus 95 ks female 1/4 (model 95KSIW13BPN) connects and is suitable with the din477 24,32 Nitrogen regulator. It works as well with the 3M Scott extension cable. that extension is connect on one side with the hood valve and the other end is connected with that rectus adapter. The rectus adapter is a suitable bridge between the 3M scott valve extension (that I use the extend my hood valve) and the nitrogen regulator.


Possible alternative to the 3M Scott Elsa Hood:
Chinese Fire Escape Hood TZL30???
View attachment 162127

How long did it take for the eebd to get to you after having the order in? I've ordered mine a couple of days ago and I'm still waiting for it to be dispatched.